Ron Paul (2010-2011)

[Guaxini]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Guaxini (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
So I gather from you avalonuggets that you don't mind being debtors and taken to be the collateral for the US national debt?

of course they don't mind xD as long as the salary can get them nice stuff. and their illusion that no country in the world would go on open war against them...lol serious? after WW2 you have been in many wars...in that wars have you ever faced an army with air force, ground force and naval force combined? and apparently with all your hi-tech equipment..that nobody in the world have your asses have been kicked off. and by the way..killing one man? Osama Bin Laden, your CIA could do that.

Not my CIA.
I have my Imperial forces, they are much more efficient.

i would be more happy to join your darkside LOL than the USA peace and love arround the world campaign

[Guaxini]

and another thing..does not your constitution says that every "free man" can pratice any religion? why are you rejecting Islam? why don´t you reject hindus? ooh of course India got the A BOMB. no wonder every country wants the A BOMB you only respect the ones how have it. keep in that way and soon the world countrys will all have that ****, can't you realize your desrespect for other countrys is bringin you close to a mushroom armagedon...in the worse scenario. the point is, you desrespect other countrys economically and you are the bully's of OTAN. you print money over nothing your american dollar actually will worth less then monopoly bills.

the world knows that you not know much about geography, at least should know math because you are one of the "richest" countries of the world.

PS- vote for Ron Paul xD

[Laurel]

Posted by Koyaanisqatsi (here)

Posted by Laurel (here)
I really like what Ron Paul and what he says, but he always sounds so darned whiney.
Don't misunderstand... It's not what he is saying but the way his voice sounds in interviews.
I think this is a huge reason why he's not doing as good in the polls.

haha shows how superficial/fickle people can be. he sounds like a normal person when he talks, not a shill of a politician. I think its refreshing and shows hes more genuine. "I really like Obama and his policies....but he's got such small hands" haha its good to laugh at the silliness sometimes

A person is superficial because they think Ron Paul's intonation is whiney and lacks strength?
On the contrary, intonation and presence are very important, both in the the working and political sectors. It's hard to be taken seriously when your voice is annoying.
Whether it's your child, boss or presidential candidate who is whining, you just want to tune them out.

.... and you know what they say about small hands and feet

[T Smith]

Posted by Jonathon (here)

If I'm wrong? So what.

You're not wrong.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by passiglight (here)
he's nothing more than a tool for the ascended losers,,,,,,,,

i just can't believe how you folks are buying into this bull propaganda,,,,,,,,,,,

You're creating negativity where there doesn't need to be any. Don't insult our intelligence by saying that we're buying into bull propoganda. We all have our own journey and we each choose different tactics to try to wake others up. If your tactic is to boycot the elections that's fine. I hope that wakes a lot of people up. Our tactic is to vote for someone who we think will restore our constitutional rights and wake a lot of people up in the process. You can disagree with us but don't accuse us of being naive or gullible, which I believe was the implication. Infighting in the truth movement is exactly what the ptb want and it makes us look weak. I think if you said "I respectfully disagree with all of you who support ron paul" that would be much more effective and with that kind of language we can avoid some of this unnecessary bickering. That is only my opinion. Peace.

[W.C.]

The thing with Paul is, whilst he may not be perfect, it cannot be denied that he is the best relative and realistic option at this point in time. If we don't get him in to office, whatever your view on the constitution may be, it is rather safe to say we can kiss a lot of our current 'rights' goodbye.

With the subsequent continuation of the rise of the Police state*, the continuation of endless undeclared wars -- what they sell you as 'humanitarian missions' -- with the continuing war on the middle class, endless manufactured bubbles, and with the value of our dollar ever decreasing as they print ever more money and lower our standards of living... it will become almost impossible to fight back.

*On Monday or Tuesday, the US Senate will vote on a bill that would give the President the ability to order the military to arrest and imprison American citizens anywhere in the world for an indefinite period of time.

A provision of S. 1867, or the National Defense Authorization Act bill, written by Senators John McCain and Carl Levin, declares American soil a battlefield and allows the President and all future Chief Executives to order the military to arrest and detain American citizens, innocent or not, without charge or trial.'

Consider:

You are around eight times more likely to be killed by a Police Officer than by a Terrorist Attack... So we should be very careful about accepting endless wars, a Police State and its ever increasing rules and regulations that most everyone running against Paul supports, and what they tell you is necessary for your security, at a cost of your liberty.

‎'Rarely do we hear that Iraq has never committed any aggression against the United States. No one in the media questions our aggression against Iraq for the past 12 years by continuous bombing and imposed sanctions responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children.'
— Ron Paul, Before We Bomb Iraq (2002)

‎'We're being taxed to blow up bridges in Iraq and rebuild them, while ours at home are falling down.'
— Ron Paul, Revolution: A Manifesto (2008)

‎'We stood up to the Soviets. They had 40,000 nuclear weapons. Now we're fretting day in and day and night about third-world countries that have no army, navy or air force, and we're getting ready to go to war?'
― Ron Paul, California GOP Debate (2007)

‎'...in our efforts to bring peace and democracy to the world we assisted the freedom fighters of Afghanistan, and in our infinite wisdom we gave money, technology and training to Bin Laden, and now, this very year, we have declared that Bin Laden was responsible for the bombing in Africa. So what is our response, because we allow our President to pursue war too easily? What was the President's response?'
— Ron Paul, Debate on the Iraq Liberation Act (1998)

‎'If the goal of government is to be the policeman of the world, you lose liberty. And if the goal is to promote liberty, you can unify all segments. The freedom message brings us together; it doesn't divide us.'
― Ron Paul, California GOP Debate (2007)

‎'The failure of the federal war on drugs should be clear enough from one simple fact; our government has been unable to keep drugs even out of prisons, which are surrounded by armed guards.'
— Ron Paul, Revolution: A Manifesto (2008)

‎'The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.'
— Ron Paul, Freedom Under Siege (1987)

‎'The goal of a free society, from my viewpoint, is to seek virtue and excellence. And only we as individuals can do that. When we turn this over to the government, [...] it can only be done at the sacrifice of liberty.'
― Ron Paul, at the Value Voters Summit (2011)

‎'...disarming the highways and filling them full of jack-booted thugs demanding to see our papers is no way to make them safer. Instead, it is a great way to expand government surveillance powers and tighten the noose around our liberties. The slippery slope is here. When does it end? How many more infringements on our liberties, our property, and our basic human rights to travel freely will it take before people become fed up enough to demand respect from their government?'
— Ron Paul, on the TSA VIPR Program (2011)

‎'If the Fed would stop intervening and distorting the market, and would allow the functioning of a truly free market that deals with profit and loss, our economy could recover. The continued existence of an organization that can create trillions of dollars out of thin air to purchase financial assets and prop up a fundamentally insolvent banking system is a black mark on an economy that professes to be free.'
— Ron Paul, The Wall Street Journal (2011)

‎'...you have to get rid of price-fixing. And the most significant price-fixing that goes on, that gave us the bubble, destroyed the economy, and is preventing this from coming out, is the price-fixing of the Federal Reserve, manipulating interest rates way below market rates. You have to have the market determine interest rates if you want a healthy, viable economy. We face a housing crisis once again because it's price-fixing. They're fixing the prices of these mortgages too high, and this is why nobody will buy them. This is why you have to get rid of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, sell all of that into the marketplace. '
— Ron Paul, CNBC Republican Presidential Debate (2011)

'You have the marketplace there. There's competition. Quality goes up. The price goes down. Can you imagine what it would have been like if the Department of Homeland Security was in charge of finding one person or one company to make the cellphones? I mean, it would have been a total disaster. So when the government gets involved in the delivery of any service -- whether it's education, medical care, or housing -- they cause higher prices, lower quality, create bubbles, and they give us this mess that we're in.'
— Ron Paul, CNBC Republican Presidential Debate (2011)

Quotes Courtesy of Ron Paul Quotes

Electable?

He is clearly the right man for the job, but Liberty is a dangerous message.

I think the OP question should be, will they stop him with the blackouts, MSM bias, poll-pulling, etc... before perhaps another President is ordered to be assassinated by interests stemming from greed and lusts for power.

[13th Warrior]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Jonathon (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
So now that we have that out of the way.
Who would like to guess what the constitution is for?
And the bill of rights too?

The Constitution/Bill of Rights is/are a negotiated 'guarantee' of rights, privileges and terms to the debtor (The USA and it's subsidiaries/stock holders) as granted by the Creditor(s). It is a representation of reserved allowances - evidence of terms under a contractual obligation to either "do something" in exchange or "do something" until which time the agreement is fulfilled.

Realize a piece of paper does not grant you anything. You do by your own actions! A maxim of law: He who fails to assert his rights has none. If someone has to write it down for you, you are no longer in charge. Sovereignty requires no representations - and as a point of fact, true sovereignty demands nothing outside of itself.

You got it.
It is a debt repayment agreement with all the terms and conditions in it.
Now, how many American avalonuggets got taught this?

Then I would have thought a birth certificate would have made these documents a bit superfluous?

I will admit that I'm no constitutional lawyer; this is an area i intend to learn in greater depth.

[13th Warrior]

Posted by passiglight (here)
My advice to you to disengage from this system is nothing,,,,,,, ,,,,,

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by passiglight (here)
You don't have a country in fact,,,,,,,,,,,

you just think you do,,,,,,,,,,,

and your bill of rights was founded by the illuminati,,,,,,,,

and you are a slave,who thinks he's participating in something when n fact you are not......

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by passiglight (here)
POINT IN CASE,,,,,,,,VERBATEM,,,,,,,,

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
I gree with you Modwiz its the same over here, Left or right does not matter and to a degree the centre ground should be what we are all striving for...
Yet it is politics as a whole that is the problem, its always been corrupt since its conception. The UK has had 'Rotten boroughs' corruption and vote riggng
up untill the 20th century, the same all around the world probably....
The US for all its original ideas were founded in part by smugglers and dodgy buisinessmen.I found out the other day the Boston Tea party was done by local
Bostonian traders to keep the price of tea 'UP' in the colonies as the East India company were trying to off load excess stocks on the US market ,
thus undercutting the proffits of the Bostonian traders.....

The link did not work, it was a BBC radio programme by Michael Portillo, he was talking to Bostonian historians it was interresting, apparrently the modern myths were partly created by Walt Disney film in 1945...

FURTHER POINT IN CASE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

"The US for all its original ideas were founded in part by smugglers and dodgy buisinessmen"

WHAT A MIND BOGGLING SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF A LOAD OF HOGWASH,,,,,,,,,,,

DEAL WITH FACTS,,,,,,,,,,,AND IF YOU DONT KNOW THE FACTS,,,LEARN THEM

We have the Bill of Rights and The Constitution and that is the foundation of this country.

Alright then, you say the only thing to do is dis-engage.

What is you advice to me on how to disengage from the system; what examples can you give me that you yourself have used to disengage?

My partner and i came into the position we are in UN-voluntarily and with eyes closed,,,,,,,,,,

now we understand much more,,,,,,,,,

My partner and i live in a caravan,it used to be a tent,,,,,,,,,but we struggled a bit with that set up,,,,,,,,however,,,,,

so we bought a caravan and awning for 800 pounds,,,,,,,

we don't have a telly,,, and we seldom listen to the radio,,,,,,,,,

i work but only because we need to have some cash to pay rent and buy food and tax and insure the car,,,,,,

When i get paid, we go straight to the bank and draw out every penny,,so they cannot use it themselves,,,,,,,

we knocked paying our bank/credit card debts,,,,,,,and they can go to hell before either of us will pay a penny back,,,,,,,,,

that is our way of flipping them the bird,,,,,,,they chase us for the debt and we move,,,,simple,,,,,,,but they dont get paid,,,,,,,

we pay for everything in cash,,,,,,,,,,

and never ever vote or take any interest in any governmental issues whatsover,,,,,,,,,apart from recognising their eveil doings,,,,,,,

we have nothing to do with any religion whatsoever,,,,,,,,,and will not indulge in things like xmas etc,,,,

we pay only the taxes involved with paye,,,,,,,and buying stuff,,,,,,,

nothing else,,,,,,,,

we never buy advertised products and my partner is now vegetarian,,,,,,,,,

if there is anything we can do that is anti establishment,we pretty much do it,,,,,,,,,

and we keep ourselves to our selfs,,,,,,,

i expect there is much more we can add to this,,,,,,,,,but now it's time for a cigarette,,,,,,,,

Thank you for your response!

Some how, like cancer; i don't think ignoring this is the best course of action?

It is indeed very difficult to disengage completely from the system...

And, it would appear outwardly that it isn't the happiest of lifestyles?

I wish you all the best all the time!

[13th Warrior]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
So I gather from you avalonuggets that you don't mind being debtors and taken to be the collateral for the US national debt?

The US debt is only a concern to the honest American; the corruptibles are quite happy with it. The US should be like Norway and refuse to sign on to this fraudulent debt...

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Jonathon (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
So now that we have that out of the way.
Who would like to guess what the constitution is for?
And the bill of rights too?

The Constitution/Bill of Rights is/are a negotiated 'guarantee' of rights, privileges and terms to the debtor (The USA and it's subsidiaries/stock holders) as granted by the Creditor(s). It is a representation of reserved allowances - evidence of terms under a contractual obligation to either "do something" in exchange or "do something" until which time the agreement is fulfilled.

Realize a piece of paper does not grant you anything. You do by your own actions! A maxim of law: He who fails to assert his rights has none. If someone has to write it down for you, you are no longer in charge. Sovereignty requires no representations - and as a point of fact, true sovereignty demands nothing outside of itself.

You got it.
It is a debt repayment agreement with all the terms and conditions in it.
Now, how many American avalonuggets got taught this?

Then I would have thought a birth certificate would have made these documents a bit superfluous?

I will admit that I'm no constitutional lawyer; this is an area i intend to learn in greater depth.

Well, now you are getting into another area, still concerning debt, but also status/standing.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

What if Ron Paul and Judge Napolitano were in the Whitehouse?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=432r-utKgAg

We would still have some problems, but many problems would be solved.

And you are right LS, debt is the biggest problem. Let's ask the Treasury to mint those Trillion dollar coins to pay off the debt. Then End The Fed.

[kcbc2010]

To answer the question: I'd have to say No. However, I think that a lot of what's in that "No" is a lot of brain-washing.

We've got to remember that when Bachmann won the Ames Straw Poll, RP was only a few hundred votes behind in 2nd place. I'm interested to see how he'll do in the actual caucus. I think that will say a lot about the support he does or doesn't have. Also, this is the 1st presidential year where the Tea Party and Occupy are going to make sure they are forces in their communities and in their respective parties. Interestingly, RP is supported by members of both groups. This is not going to be a normal presidential year - and anything can and will happen.

A lot of people are sick of the wars and the only reasonable alternative to Obama is Paul if you want to end the wars. I think the fact that the media's been ignoring Ron Paul is going to help him because it's become painfully obvious that our major media outlets are just spewing propaganda and not much else. Even people who aren't supporting him say they disagree with his foreign policy, but agree with him on economic issues. So, what are they going to do if for some weird reason Paul gets the nomination, not vote against Obama? Republicans will show up to vote against Obama regardless who the nominee is. We've been waiting 4 years to get Obama out. We aren't going to give him a cake-walk to a 2nd term. That's just reality and what makes him electable.

(However, if he does become the nominee, he'll have to do something about his clothing choices and the fake eyebrows because the "debate" where his eyebrow kept falling off and looking weird was just embarrassing to watch. I felt so bad for him because the fake eyebrow just wouldn't stay put!)

[VaughnB]

Are Diebold Voting Machines fallible and programmable?

[robinr1]

Posted by Laurel (here)

Posted by Koyaanisqatsi (here)

Posted by Laurel (here)
I really like what Ron Paul and what he says, but he always sounds so darned whiney.
Don't misunderstand... It's not what he is saying but the way his voice sounds in interviews.
I think this is a huge reason why he's not doing as good in the polls.

haha shows how superficial/fickle people can be. he sounds like a normal person when he talks, not a shill of a politician. I think its refreshing and shows hes more genuine. "I really like Obama and his policies....but he's got such small hands" haha its good to laugh at the silliness sometimes

A person is superficial because they think Ron Paul's intonation is whiney and lacks strength?
On the contrary, intonation and presence are very important, both in the the working and political sectors. It's hard to be taken seriously when your voice is annoying.
Whether it's your child, boss or presidential candidate who is whining, you just want to tune them out.

.... and you know what they say about small hands and feet

wow....just wow........ no wonder the usa is in the situation it is in. when enlightened people at a forum like this think this way i fear there truly may be no hope.

[TargeT]

Posted by percival tyro (here)
Hi Target. To me he seems the best of a moderate bunch. There's a long time to go. Plenty of time to dump him if you detect any discrepancies in his message. I haven't read up much about Newt Gingridge yet. Are the reptilians morphing into amphibians or could he be one of us !?.

Problem is; you still trust the system to be what it is sold as; I however do not even bother with it anymore as I've come to the conclusion that its a distraction that almost FORCES you to externilize your power to a hero figure "politicians" & sit on your ass doing nothing while you hope for the best (even though your continually choosing between bad & worse...).

there is not a single politician on TV that is trust worthy to lead; Ron Paul is a much needed "relief valve" for a country that is getting crapped on; I've noticed an evolution of sorts in politics:

1) you start out as a democrat; (*life is great; you can help everyone... & why wouldn't you?!*)

2) you gain a little understanding of how "reality works" and become a conservative

3) You understand that republicans are not "conservative" 'n become a liberitarian or just a ron paul supporter

4) You understand that the entire system is rigged & just a show to distract & dis-empower the population.

now, you can stall at any step listed above; I'll refer back to a good video that kind of explains the seperate levels of "understanding" that people function at...:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JPOIIwcJElY

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JPOIIwcJElY

[modwiz]

The truth will set you free, but first it will pizz you off.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by modwiz (here)
The truth will set you free, but first it will pizz you off.

I hope so brother, I hope so.

[modwiz]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
The truth will set you free, but first it will pizz you off.

I hope so brother, I hope so.

I was referring to the statements in post 105:
1) you start out as a democrat; (*life is great; you can help everyone... & why wouldn't you?!*)

2) you gain a little understanding of how "reality works" and become a conservative

3) You understand that republicans are not "conservative" 'n become a liberitarian or just a ron paul supporter

4) You understand that the entire system is rigged & just a show to distract & dis-empower the population.

Number four is the truth. It might pizz you off but 'getting it' it will set you free.......to do something meaningful. What is that? I can't tell you. Get creative.

[Laurel]

Posted by robinr1 (here)

Posted by Laurel (here)

Posted by Koyaanisqatsi (here)

Posted by Laurel (here)
I really like what Ron Paul and what he says, but he always sounds so darned whiney.
Don't misunderstand... It's not what he is saying but the way his voice sounds in interviews.
I think this is a huge reason why he's not doing as good in the polls.

haha shows how superficial/fickle people can be. he sounds like a normal person when he talks, not a shill of a politician. I think its refreshing and shows hes more genuine. "I really like Obama and his policies....but he's got such small hands" haha its good to laugh at the silliness sometimes

A person is superficial because they think Ron Paul's intonation is whiney and lacks strength?
On the contrary, intonation and presence are very important, both in the the working and political sectors. It's hard to be taken seriously when your voice is annoying.
Whether it's your child, boss or presidential candidate who is whining, you just want to tune them out.

.... and you know what they say about small hands and feet

wow....just wow........ no wonder the usa is in the situation it is in. when enlightened people at a forum like this think this way i fear there truly may be no hope.

Bash me if you like, but I'm just telling it like it is outside of this enlightended minority of people. The majority of republican Americans do not take him seriously. It's just a fact. CNN didn't even list him in their latest poll this morning.

[T Smith]

Posted by Laurel (here)

Posted by robinr1 (here)

Posted by Laurel (here)

Posted by Koyaanisqatsi (here)

Posted by Laurel (here)
I really like what Ron Paul and what he says, but he always sounds so darned whiney.
Don't misunderstand... It's not what he is saying but the way his voice sounds in interviews.
I think this is a huge reason why he's not doing as good in the polls.

haha shows how superficial/fickle people can be. he sounds like a normal person when he talks, not a shill of a politician. I think its refreshing and shows hes more genuine. "I really like Obama and his policies....but he's got such small hands" haha its good to laugh at the silliness sometimes

A person is superficial because they think Ron Paul's intonation is whiney and lacks strength?
On the contrary, intonation and presence are very important, both in the the working and political sectors. It's hard to be taken seriously when your voice is annoying.
Whether it's your child, boss or presidential candidate who is whining, you just want to tune them out.

.... and you know what they say about small hands and feet

wow....just wow........ no wonder the usa is in the situation it is in. when enlightened people at a forum like this think this way i fear there truly may be no hope.

Bash me if you like, but I'm just telling it like it is outside of this enlightended minority of people. The majority of republican Americans do not take him seriously. It's just a fact. CNN didn't even list him in their latest poll this morning.

Yes. This is because the majority are instructed how to think. The issue here is whether the truth can attain a critical mass. If so, it will make little difference. Eventually the "enlightened" will rub off on the masses, given some critical mass, even if the masses don't know or understand why.