David Icke 2011

[Mark]

Thanks, DNA. I"ve never heard of the Lacerta interview but you can rest assured I will be checking it out.

Posted by DNA (here)
It only makes sense that reptillians are descendents of dinosaurs. If DNA is affected and orchestrated by tortion fields as David Wilcock suggests, then not only humans would be popping up all over the universe, but reptillians as well. So they having dinosaurs for ancestors does not mean they are necassarily of earth.

I've actually written 2 articles on the subject also. I meant to write more but other things have gotten in the way. The first was a background article, discussing the multi-dimensional context, the second was a direct discussion of their potential evolution from earth dinosaur stock:

This image represents the culmination of a thought exercise conceptualized by paleontologist Dr. Dale Russell, and is known as Troodon Sapiens, a dinasauroid. Dr. Russell is the curator of vertebrate fossils at the National Museum of Canada in Ottawa. He came up with this concept of dinosauroid evolution into a hominid species based upon the condition of continuing evolution past the point at which the Chicxulub meteor exterminated the dinosaur population, 65 million years ago. The Theropods (bipedal predators) that existed at that time might have conceivably evolved into intelligent species, according to his theory. The Theropod family includes Tyrannosaurus Rex, Velociraptors and Troodontids, any of which could have and might have evolved if conditions had not turned hostile for that population of entities upon this planet.

But what if such an evolution did in fact take place? What if it wasn’t the Troodontids, but instead, the Velociraptors who evolved? Or the Tyrannosauroids? According to many sources consistent across cultures and time-lines, an intelligent dinosauroid species did indeed exist upon Earth concurrent with the larger and more well-known species of dinosaurs. Many ancient civilizations and prehistoric cultures possess extensive and detailed mythologies pertaining to dinosauroid or reptilian races that survived the destruction brought about by the Chicxulub meteor who then interacted with early humanity. In some cases these serpentine peoples were the Bringers of Civilization, in others, they were the tempters of humans, leading them from the path of righteousness into that of evil. But even in the context of these negative interpretations of that interaction, the reptilian race was still associated with knowledge and the dissemination of what was considered by some traditions to be forbidden information.

Posted by DNA (here)
She didn't seem to think they were trying to perfect us so much as make us more controllable. She stated that telepathy for instance is practiced by most races, but we earth humans seem to have had the capacity for it genetically removed.
Further, earth humans seem to have had a switch installed in it's place, and the flipping of it is possible by some one with telepathy.
This makes it easy for them to appear to us as humans if they want to.
This ability would not extend to photo or video.

A lot of what you write about here actually makes other things fall into place. The above has been alluded to in things I've read, also the common belief that shape-shifting reptilians are using a hologram of some sort. As most of the fake videos online are obviously using cameras and videos, her view of it automatically discounts these as being real, right?

Posted by DNA (here)
She said subsequent races have come and tinkered with our genetics and this agrees very much with what Charles Forte has said on this subject.

Another check.

Posted by DNA (here)
I think it is important to never underestimate the power of technology when discussing these folks. Whitley Strieber talks about these folks being able to walk through walls, as does Jim Sparks. So I'm pretty sure they have some kind of phase technology.
It may sound impossible or ludicrous, but anything is possible if you give some science guys enough time, technology and money.

If any race has access to higher dimensional realities at a technological level and are able to install control mechanisms there then everything else falls into place. And why would it not be possible for civilizations that are millions or billions of years older than human civlization to develop these capabilities? And why would it be so difficult for us to believe that they could have? The time frame alone makes evolution inevitable. Look at how short a time it has taken us - albeit with help and perhaps we are returning to a level of technology previously held by humans on this planet - to advance in technology from horses to rocket ships and, potentially, other, higher forms of energetic output and travel.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I'm bringing this up because I read the first page of this thread.

Science is a wonderful tool for exploring our reality, but should not be mistaken for reality itself. Science can help us find the boundaries of our reality, but it does not create the reality. And there are other methods that pick up where science leaves off and goes where science cannot go.

If you look only for scientific evidence and discard all others then I ask you if you love your parents or your children? can you scientifically prove that you love them? Does your inability to apply scientific method to your love for your family change anything? No. Science is a great tool. It is not the only one and it does have limits.

As for Mister Icke-

The way David explained the reptilian thing to me made perfect sense to me as a student of Shamanism. That doesn't mean that I think David is right on every count (I don't think the moon is a mind control transmitter) or that he has the whole picture on the reptilian thing either. There are almost countless entities influencing us and most people aren't even vaguely aware of them or how much influence they have. My opinion is that David is fixated on this one kind of entity and it's influence. I think there are more important ones. And there are many "reptilian" types of energies that are benevolent teachers.

To a shamanic practitioner, it's not a shocking idea at all that reptilian entities have energetic influence over people. Even if they sometimes manifest physically. I think it's a shock to the general population because they live in a paradigm that does not have room for such things.

[Mark]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
And there are many "reptilian" types of energies that are benevolent teachers.

To a shamanic practitioner, it's not a shocking idea at all that reptilian entities have energetic influence over people. Even if they sometimes manifest physically. I think it's a shock to the general population because they live in a paradigm that does not have room for such things.

Indeed that is so. For those of us of a certain age, we had access to a show that gave us imagery to support later explorations of this nature. Benevolent and Malevolent Reptilians. Some of y'all know what I'm talkin' bout:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4tYyeqkz8OA

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4tYyeqkz8OA

This show is in no way related to the farce masked as movie that came out recently proclaiming itself related.

[161803398]

On the earth once being upright:

http://garyosborn.moonfruit.com/#/th...ati/4518535647

[modwiz]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
or are the dinosaurs genetic creations/descendants of reptilians?

Knowing you, that is both humor and a legitimate question. Good one. too.

[Mark]

Posted by 161803398 (here)
On the earth once being upright:

http://garyosborn.moonfruit.com/#/th...ati/4518535647

Thank you for this resource. I had no idea there was any reference to it in the paintings of the Renaissance Masters. I look forward to reading more.

[modwiz]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
And there are many "reptilian" types of energies that are benevolent teachers.

To a shamanic practitioner, it's not a shocking idea at all that reptilian entities have energetic influence over people. Even if they sometimes manifest physically. I think it's a shock to the general population because they live in a paradigm that does not have room for such things.

Indeed that is so. For those of us of a certain age, we had access to a show that gave us imagery to support later explorations of this nature. Benevolent and Malevolent Reptilians. Some of y'all know what I'm talkin' bout:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4tYyeqkz8OA

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4tYyeqkz8OA

This show is in no way related to the farce masked as movie that came out recently proclaiming itself related.

If those are the bad guys, they spelled sleazy wrong. They look like good guys though.

[161803398]

He also has a good article about the mid point or trance state:

http://garyosborn.moonfruit.com/#/grey-area/4516728216

[DNA]

I've actually written 2 articles on the subject also. I meant to write more but other things have gotten in the way. The first was a background article, discussing the multi-dimensional context, the second was a direct discussion of their potential evolution from earth dinosaur stock:

Awesome stuff Rahkyt! I'm reading through it now. Well put together, and I like the pics.

[Calz]

Camelot site is functional again ... here is what I alluded to earlier ... face to face meetings (non trance) as described by Bob Dean in one of the Camelot interviews.

Other Camelot whistleblowers share similar stories ... such as:

http://projectcamelot.org/jim_sparks.html

http://projectcamelot.org/clifford_stone.html


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BD: All right. Well, you really have to understand Zecharia Sitchin’s work to really grasp where we stand today in relationship with this group of intelligences. And, I’m not speaking of one. There are several. The last I heard, there were four different groups we were relating with. The Anunnaki are one. And there are others.

KC: OK. I mean, this is very interesting. Can you describe the Anunnaki that you... First of all, have you had exposure to them face-to-face?

BD: Me?

KC: Yes.

BD: Yes, I have met some face-to-face. Now, whether they were the Anunnaki, I don’t know.

KC: OK, well...

BD: The ones I’ve met face-to-face were typically human.

KC: Typically human.

BD: I mean, they put on a suit and tie, a dress, blue jeans, T-shirt...

KC: OK.

BD: ...walk in our midst, and you would never know.

KC: And they weren’t nine feet tall, or higher?

BD: No. The ones I’ve met and the ones I’ve seen aboard the ships are not that big at all. They’re just like us.

KC: Uh huh.

BD: So, we’re dealing with four different groups that I’ve concluded -- my own personal view.

KC: OK.

BD: You might talk to Jim Sparks and he might tell you there are eight, or ten, or a dozen more. I don’t know. I can only tell you what little bit I’ve learned over the years.

There are four different groups that I’ve encountered, and they are all humanoid. One group is completely human. And not all of the Anunnaki are nine feet tall. They were human enough that we are related to them, and they’re related to us.

And that lovely little story in Chapter Six of Genesis is quite true. They did, indeed, engineer the genes and chromosomes of an existing species on this planet... God knows how long ago. Sitchin says it was 200,000 years.

The information I have learned indicates one of the major tweakings took place about 60,000 years ago, that Homo sapiens sapiens were tweaked and genetically manipulated even more. So, we’re coming along slowly.

KC: OK, so what four races? Let’s name ’em, in your opinion.

BD: Well, there are the humans.

KC: OK.

BD: Some people call them the Nordics. Then you have guys that are very pale, and very tall, and very broad...

KC: Uh huh.

BD: ... which some people refer to as the big whites.

KC: OK.

BD: And then you have the little guys.

KC: The Grays? And then the Anunnaki. So those are the four you’re familiar with.

BD: And not all of the Grays are an evolved species. Some of them appear to be... What is the term they used to use? They were an artificial life form.

KC: Androids?

BD: Yes, they were humanoid androids, but they were constructed. They’re laboratory products. And they often wondered why, in cases of crashes where there were survivors, that some of them didn’t come back and try to retrieve.

And the story that came out among the military for many years was that they wrote ’em off! They went back and made more.

Now, there are some people who say, Well, they don’t have a soul. Well, I’ve run into human beings that I begin to wonder whether they had a soul. [Kerry laughs]
But...

KC: OK. So...

BD: There are two types of Grays, from what I’ve learned. There are the little guys who appear to be laboratory products. And then there are the six-foot Grays whose eyes are more round. And they’re not really gray. They’re just sort of a chalky, off-white color.

KC: Mm hm.

http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/bo...script_en.html

... and so on ...

[Mark]

Posted by DNA (here)
Awesome stuff Rahkyt! I'm reading through it now. Well put together, and I like the pics.

Thanks, bredren. The next article is the one with the meat in it, where I plan to discuss the modern context, the control system, time travel and genetic manipulation and how the higher dimensions (lower 4th and potentially higher, perhaps even lower 5th) are accessed by these entities or others of a similar capacity who may not have evolved from earth stock. I suppose I'll write it sooner rather than later, I've pretty much finished the research, but this article that you've directed me to will certainly add to it. Again, much appreciated.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
discussing the multi-dimensional context, the second was a direct discussion of their potential evolution from earth dinosaur stock

Let's assume for a moment that this is indeed true. Let's also assume that Sitchin was right about the human race being tampered with, nudged, and prodded by some kind of Annunaki or Prometheus or whatever. Then it becomes easy to speculate that the reptiles have also been tampered with and nudged. The question then becomes, by whom and for what purpose? How do these agendas intersect, compliment , or conflict? Fun to think about.

[Mike]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Chinaski (here)
or are the dinosaurs genetic creations/descendants of reptilians?

Knowing you, that is both humor and a legitimate question. Good one. too.

Modwiz, i'm afraid i'm woefully out of my league here.

as i am only a casual follower of such theories, i'll say this: if that comment is as painfully ignorant as i'm beginning to feel it is, let's just all pretend i was being ironic.

if it has any relevance at all, i'll own it.

deal?

[noprophet]

On earth possibly being upright at some point;

Would we survive without the moon.

"...the pre-Hellenic Pelasgian inhabitants of Arcadia called themselves Proselenes, because they boasted that they came into the country before the Moon accompanied the Earth. Pre-Hellenic and pre-lunarian were synonymous." -- Alexander Von Humboldt, naturalist, 1851

"These were Arcadians of Evander's following, the so‑called Pre-Lunar people." -- Plutarch, historian, Moralia: The Roman Questions #76, 1st century

"The stars did not yet revolve in the heavens; the Danaides had not yet appeared, nor the race of Deucalion; the Arcadians alone existed, those of whom it is said that they lived before the Moon, eating acorns upon the mountains." -- Apollonios Rhodios, librarian, Argonautica, ~246 B.C.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/p...fdb10e5ae43d95

It all seems to point to around the time of the end of ancient Greece and beginning of Rome. I've been very curious about where exactly Rome came form so I asked my History professor, whose focus is medieval and ancient history, who actually founded and built what became the Roman empire. He bluntly told me that no one is really sure. There were Etruscans in the area but we know they weren't part of it. We assume it must have been someone coming from Northern Europe.

Guido von List who formed many of the ideas which led to Nazi thought, though tending to me much less radical, believed that Rome had usurped a former central European empire ruled by Priest-Kings (very Egyptian) and that the presence of the Roman Catholic church in the resulting states was actually an occupation.

Interestingly the Nation of Islam tells stories of running the white man out of Africa to the Northern "cold" climates upon deciding that he could not be emotionally trusted a very long time ago. This is a story told in the 5% movement (Nation of Gods and Earths) proclaiming the black man the original man and the white man the usurper. the idea of the 5% being that only 10% of the world is in the know. 5% use the knowing to their advantage to rule while the other 5% become the poor righteous teachers.

All however speak of this usurpation and ensuing concealment of history. Add in the moon stuff and it becomes very sci-fi and very intriguing.

[jackovesk]

Posted by modwiz (here)
There is a concept called Archons that I work into this mix, that is they are the same lot.

They are what's known as the 'Bullies of the Universe', they have infiltrated our Govts, our World and Minds...

They Teethe with unimaginable evil and fester our dimension with unsightly evil...

In other words - 'They are not very nice Creatures', whose main aim is to rob each and every human of their soul...

[Mark]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
Let's assume for a moment that this is indeed true. Let's also assume that Sitchin was right about the human race being tampered with, nudged, and prodded by some kind of Annunaki or Prometheus or whatever. Then it becomes easy to speculate that the reptiles have also been tampered with and nudged. The question then becomes, by whom and for what purpose? How do these agendas intersect, compliment , or conflict? Fun to think about.

Heheh, indeed. Ever heard the term, panspermia?

Perhaps it has been occurring since time immemorial, as the movies, channeling and common lore are beginning to agree upon. That the seeding of a planet and the genetic manipulation of lower-order primates is done in order to house evolving souls. That it continues from system to system, planet to planet, race to race. I personally am coming to the conclusion that we ALL here are descended partly from earth stock, but that we have been manipulated with different degrees of alien stock at different times for different purposes. Add to that our own intermingling and you've got quite the potpourri of genetic wealth.

If the aliens in external merkabas (UFOs) are here just to mine that, it would be enough, imho. This planet and its biology must be a gold mine of potentiality.

[modwiz]

Posted by Chinaski (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Chinaski (here)
or are the dinosaurs genetic creations/descendants of reptilians?

Knowing you, that is both humor and a legitimate question. Good one. too.

Modwiz, i'm afraid i'm woefully out of my league here.

as i am only a casual follower of such theories, i'll say this: if that comment is as painfully ignorant as i'm beginning to feel it is, let's just all pretend i was being ironic.

if it has any relevance at all, i'll own it.

deal?

I was being sincere. There is a good question in that comment.

[Mike]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Chinaski (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Chinaski (here)
or are the dinosaurs genetic creations/descendants of reptilians?

Knowing you, that is both humor and a legitimate question. Good one. too.

Modwiz, i'm afraid i'm woefully out of my league here.

as i am only a casual follower of such theories, i'll say this: if that comment is as painfully ignorant as i'm beginning to feel it is, let's just all pretend i was being ironic.

if it has any relevance at all, i'll own it.

deal?

I was being sincere. There is a good question in that comment.

well that's good to know.

because i was fully prepared to blame it on the beer

[jackovesk]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
There is a concept called Archons that I work into this mix, that is they are the same lot.

This is exactly what I'm trying to figure out myself. If the Reptilians (whatever planet they're from, if they're Annunaki or not, if they're descendants of dinosauras or not) are all corporeal or astral or both. If some groups are and some groups are not. And if the groups that have not figured out higher dimensional access are subject to control by the Archons who seem to be fully incorporeal . I heard a guy the other day saying Lash was wrong, and the Greys and Reptilians don't represent the Archons. That the Nag Hammadi speaks of the Archons being like "unformed" fetuses, which is more like amoebas. This guy also claims that the pictures that constable took back in the day are the Archons. He says that Casteneda/Don Juan called them the Night Flyers, or the Foreign Installation, which were similarly amoeba-like, unformed.

They are what's known as the 'Bullies of the Universe', they have infiltrated our Govts, our World and Minds...

They Teethe with unimaginable darkness and fester our dimension with unsightly evil...

In other words - 'They are not very nice Creatures', whose main aim is to rob each and every human of their soul...

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Sorry my computer was playing up, must be due to those evil reptilians!

[Cjay]

Posted by 1derer (here)

Posted by Cjay (here)
1derer, Have you ever seen air? By your definition, air must not exist.

Yes, if you throw a colorant into the sky, you will see it move and also I breathe it too.

Have you breathed a reptilian? LMAO

You can laugh all you like, 1derer. I don't care what you believe or don't believe. It is my belief - one that is apparently shared by the majority who have posted in this thread - that you really don't belong in this forum if you can't disagree more respectfully.

It's unfortunate that you find yourself and/or your ridicule of others so amusing. I can just about guarantee that when you have sufficient proof or when it becomes common knowledge, you will be saying "I knew it all along" and I doubt you will have the maturity or decency to ever admit that you were wrong.

Posted by Jonathon (here)
You see the colorant move, not the air. You are seeing evidence of air, not the air itself. I believe this makes the point some of us are trying to convey. I realize, as stated before, that this can be a difficult hurdle to cross.

Thank you Jonathon, well said.

The same basic point can be made about so many things we take for granted, such as sub-atomic particles, protons, neutrons, electrons, atoms, ions, molecules, DNA, electricity, magnetism, gravity, black holes, infra-red radiation, ultra-violet radiation, radioactivity, microwaves, x-rays, gamma rays, sound, radio waves and even thought. We can't actually see any of them but we can deduce their existence by observing their effects.

Just bear in mind that only a few hundred years ago, the best educated scientists of that time "knew" with absolute certainty that the world is flat. They also "knew" that the Earth was the centre of the universe. They "knew" the human body would explode if we travelled faster than a galloping horse. Anyone who disagreed was ridiculed, harrassed, labeled a heretic and burned at the stake.