pentagon missile

[WhiteFeather]

I think i found the plane that struck the pentagon, look at :28 seconds in the video below. Donnie Boy Rumsfeld is being played by Tattoo on this video i posted below. Very interesting and convincing evidence of the plane here if your eyes are wide opened enough.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1x_QbVDlLbI

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
LMFAO,,,,,That's the impression i got as well, ... Perhaps an investigation by the moderators are in order here.

That's my impression as well.

So far as I know, it doesn't usually work to moderate members for presenting views I think are wrong. Moderation works for misbehavior. For misguided views, I might post, as any member might, how I see it.

Sometimes I will go so far as to ask users with quite differing views to take it to a different thread. For example, if several members were enjoying a discussion of Nassim Haramein's physics on some thread, which I think are seriously misguided, I should not keep posting on such a thread my disagreements, to the point of overly distracting the thread. Rather I should take my contrary view to another thread instead.

I have no idea if such would apply in this thread or not -- haven't read back up in the thread to see. If some readers felt that, then I'd invite them, as usual, to report the posts they found overly distracting.

[modwiz]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
LMFAO,,,,,That's the impression i got as well, ... Perhaps an investigation by the moderators are in order here.

That's my impression as well.

So far as I know, it doesn't usually work to moderate members for presenting views I think are wrong. Moderation works for misbehavior. For misguided views, I might post, as any member might, how I see it.

Sometimes I will go so far as to ask users with quite differing views to take it to a different thread. For example, if several members were enjoying a discussion of Nassim Haramein's physics on some thread, which I think are seriously misguided, I should not keep posting on such a thread my disagreements, to the point of overly distracting the thread. Rather I should take my contrary view to another thread instead.

I have no idea if such would apply in this thread or not -- haven't read back up in the thread to see. If some readers felt that, then I'd invite them, as usual, to report the posts they found overly distracting.

He can be amusing. In an impish way these topics are like putting some cheese into a mousetrap. That is not the intention of them but he always shows up. Like it was his job or something.

[WhiteFeather]

LMFAO,,,,I think i just wet myself again, time to go change me draws Brb.

[WhiteFeather]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
Heres a great picture of Donnie (Osmond) Rumsfeld assisting the military at the pentagon on Sept 11, 2001 carrying an injured person to an ambulance. What a great photo shoot here. I didnt think you had the strength in those puny arms you evil turd.

He was a wrestler in school and still fancies himself as a 'physical' guy. I wonder how he would fare in prison?

After he tries to escape to Paraguay with Boy George Bush soon, he will be arrested and tried for crimes against humanity very shortly. Thats gonna be a pain in the ass for him. Hope Donnie doesnt drop the soap in the shower.

He always had a kind of vampire, Count Dracula, look to me. Dollars to donuts all his red blood cells aren't his. That is one seriously creepy individual. WhateverTF he is.

As to his dropping the soap. I think that is called brown eye open.

LMFAO Brown Eye Open!

[Referee]

Posted by modwiz (here)
IIRC, we had some thread(s) here lately about how to spot a disinfo agent. I think I remember one of the criterion being a person who had a plethora of readily available pre-prepared information and/or sites to visit. EWO is not a regular member here. He basically visits the threads that discuss some aspect of 9/11. He does stray, but I think it is an attempt to not be so obvious. He seems to struggle with the general tone of the site as a whole. Subjects like these are his bread and butter. I use this phrase with ironic intent.

This is not an indictment of mission as much as it is a post declaring someone who walks and talks like a duck. Is it so wrong to suspect a duck with so many webbed footsteps on this site?

To other posters to this thread, I cannot see any posts of EWO. He is on my ignore list because in almost a years' time he has had nothing new to say on this subject. I am hoping he has paid me the courtesy of ignoring me as well. IMO, the 'hand' is the audience he courts.

My fellings on this matter are much the same! I wonder what time of day he usually posts?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
IIRC, we had some thread(s) here lately about how to spot a disinfo agent. I think I remember one of the criterion being a person who had a plethora of readily available pre-prepared information and/or sites to visit. EWO is not a regular member here. He basically visits the threads that discuss some aspect of 9/11. He does stray, but I think it is an attempt to not be so obvious. He seems to struggle with the general tone of the site as a whole. Subjects like these are his bread and butter. I use this phrase with ironic intent.

This is not an indictment of mission as much as it is a post declaring someone who walks and talks like a duck. Is it so wrong to suspect a duck with so many webbed footsteps on this site?

To other posters to this thread, I cannot see any posts of EWO. He is on my ignore list because in almost a years' time he has had nothing new to say on this subject. I am hoping he has paid me the courtesy of ignoring me as well. IMO, the 'hand' is the audience he courts.

LMFAO,,,,,That's the impression i got as well, seems like he just slipped through the proverbial cracks to get on this forum, nicely stated Modwiz. Perhaps an investigation by the moderators are in order here.

I find It interesting that because I don't agree with you regarding the pentagon, you have to suggest that I be "investigated". Is that your default position against those that dont agree with you?
They they are not to be trusted?
Like I have already said, please re-read this thread to see where I am coming from.

I do not have modwiz on ignore as I prefer to read what everyone has to say rather than put my fingers in my ears.
His accusation that just because I can argue my case and know where to look for info, that I should therefore must be some kind of "disrupter" is once again, just paranoia and po0r logic. I note he does not aim that accusation at those that post just as much information as I do that support HIS side of the argument. Its hypocritical.

I also note that the long rebut you posted against Frank Leggs Pentagon paper ends with the author also engaging in personal attacks against Frank Legg.
I have no problem reading science papers but when the authors have to resort to name calling, the author and papers tend to lose credibilty in my eyes. They should stand or fall on the science within them. There is nothing scientific about name calling. I also very nicely asked you for a link but you did not provide one. I thought that was forum rule?

Also, the argument that just because I post here more than anywhere else in the forum, I should therefore be treated with suspicion is just paranoia.
This subject interests me and I have worked with the families and Sibel Edmonds so it follows that I would post here the most.

Does expressing my opinion on here because its different to yours mean that I should be ganged up on and name called?
Remember its OTHERS that are making this personal and laughing at insults aimed at me. Its others that are making this personal. NOT me.
I only ever want to talk about the science.
But dont worry folks. Its clear that adult discussion is not possible without me being acused of being something I am not. A heard mentality has suddenly appeared here and I feel bullied. Im outta here. You win. Last time I checked posting my own opinion did not mean I was a disinfo artist but apparently, it seems that way now.

[iceni tribe]

EWO ,

New Paper At The Journal Of 9/11 Studies - FDR Analysis Performed By Frank Legge and Warren Stutt


Warren Stutt Decode Shows Altitude too high to Impact Pentagon
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i......&p=10778240

Warren Stutt's admitted lack of expertise with respect to FDR Investigation
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i......&p=10799563


RA - PA Correlation, proving the "Altitude Divergence" calculated by Legge/Stutt was due to RA measuring from an object higher than ground level. Fatal to the Legge/Stutt argument.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i......&p=10794074

If Legge/Stutt "Altitude Divergence" calculations were correct, Aircraft would be slamming into the ground. IAD ILS RWY 01R Approach Analysis, Instruments required for IFR Flight Based on Regulation.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i......&p=10793490

Calculations based on Stutt Theory with respect to RA Tracking Capability, proving Stutt's theory false.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i......&p=10794159

Explains Lack Of Attention To Detail in the very first paragraph of the Legge/Stutt "Paper"
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i......&p=10793061

Proof of Legge trying to weasel his way out of mis/disinformation he has presented
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i......&p=10793501

the people at Journal Of 9/11 Studies have been mis directing everyone , a A3 skyhawk went into the pentagon firing a missile just before impact. controlled by remote control by the guys at Raytheon.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=S81H2ohG4ko

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
I only ever want to talk about the science.

Hello, Eyes

I'm going to take you at your word, and ask you to step back to the time before anyone had time to send out any info or disinfo. Go back to the moments when there was an explosion at the Pentagon, the original photos from journalists first on the scene, and the impression of those journalists first on the scene.

Regardless of what anyone later said, or analyzed... using the tools you and I have for out own scientific analysis (our eyes wide open), what would the side of the Pentagon look like if a jumbo jet (Boeing 757, wingspan 124 feet, 10 inches and 44 feet, 6 inches tall) actually hit it?

You have to admit that the "footprint" on the wall is all wrong.

Have you ever seen photos of a piece of straw that has punctured a tree during a tornado? Then you know that even light objects, seemingly flimsy, will make a dramatic footprint when traveling at hundreds of miles an hour. I have seen the gauge of aluminum sheeting used in airplane construction, and it is not aluminum foil - it's actually pretty significant. And of course, the wings have a skeletal structure of even more substantial aluminum parts.



And then there are those two VERY substantial engines that did not leave a footprint...

...and the unscathed lawn, so we know the wings didn't just fall off of the 757 before impact with the wall (the only way they could have gone in through the hole created by the jet body (or missile, or planted explosives in the wall.)

And the initial reporter on the scene said he saw no sign of jet debris.

And military officer April Gallop (a survivor of the Pentagon explosion site) saw no jet pieces and smelled no kerosine.


OK, so that is the INITIAL info that we get. Why would we listen to the most unlikely string of events that would have been required for the official story to be accepted as even possible? It has no plausibility. Dozens of surveillance cameras were confiscated to either analyze something or to hide something - and any objective person, at this point, has to admit that it HAS to be that they are hiding.

I can see why you do not just jump on the bandwagon, and support whatever the popular theory happens to be. You demand of yourself a dispassionate analysis of scientific data. Your eyes are wide open. Without even mentioning what other people see, do your own eyes allow you to believe that a 124 foot wingspan jumbo jet with two immense engines left that footprint on the Pentagon?

So, again, I'm taking you at your word that you are interested in the scientific analysis, and I have to ask you what convinces you not to believe your own eyes (as a primary method for gathering scientific data)?

Physics911 analysis of missing wings:
http://physics911.net/missingwings

Boeing 757-200 specs:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757...f_200tech.html

Dennis

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Dennis, first of all, thank you for your great post. Its refreshing to see that not everyone that holds a different viewpoint from me has to resort to name calling and suggesting I am a disinfo agent or resort to ignoring me. I refuse to debate with others that suggest prefer to imply I am trying to put out disinfo on purpose.
They are not worth my time. Throwing around insults certainly wont convince me. This is a "disscussion" forum is it not?

Dennis, give me a bit of time and I will try and address your excellent and valid points.

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Posted by iceni tribe (here)
EWO ,

New Paper At The Journal Of 9/11 Studies - FDR Analysis Performed By Frank Legge and Warren Stutt


Warren Stutt Decode Shows Altitude too high to Impact Pentagon
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i......&p=10778240

Warren Stutt's admitted lack of expertise with respect to FDR Investigation
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i......&p=10799563


RA - PA Correlation, proving the "Altitude Divergence" calculated by Legge/Stutt was due to RA measuring from an object higher than ground level. Fatal to the Legge/Stutt argument.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i......&p=10794074

If Legge/Stutt "Altitude Divergence" calculations were correct, Aircraft would be slamming into the ground. IAD ILS RWY 01R Approach Analysis, Instruments required for IFR Flight Based on Regulation.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i......&p=10793490

Calculations based on Stutt Theory with respect to RA Tracking Capability, proving Stutt's theory false.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i......&p=10794159

Explains Lack Of Attention To Detail in the very first paragraph of the Legge/Stutt "Paper"
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i......&p=10793061

Proof of Legge trying to weasel his way out of mis/disinformation he has presented
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i......&p=10793501

the people at Journal Of 9/11 Studies have been mis directing everyone , a A3 skyhawk went into the pentagon firing a missile just before impact. controlled by remote control by the guys at Raytheon.

None of those links work. You may have copied the shortned versions of the links maybe?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I will reply in greater detail and to your other points soon but for now, I will post this for your consideration:

Take a look at this photograph:



This photo was reproduced in the FEMA Report, we can see the punctured walls extending a great deal further (50 feet to the north of the impact hole center.) than the smaller total figure of 65 feet that is often mentioned. Here is another photo:



When all the photo evidence is considered, an outline of the damage can be worked out.

In this annotated photograph, regions of punctured walls are outlined in red, and regions of breached limestone are outlined in green. (note the white and green cars on the image below and the photo above)




Regarding the wings, I will address this when I have more time as well as (what I consider to be ) how the incorrect hole width calculation may have been arrived at. I will also address the lack of debris.
Many thanks.

[Dennis Leahy]

EWO, I think I can help keep a few folks from thinking you're a disinfo agent.

On 9/11, the three skyscrapers (towers # 1 and 2, plus building #7) all "fell down" at a speed that was 100% impossible by simple physics. (Near free-fall speed for the towers, and the building #7 fell for at least the first 2.5 seconds - over 100 feet - AT free-fall speed, or free-fall acceleration, to be more exact: 32ft per second per second.) This is 100% impossible, and could not have happened if the buildings were made of cheese or Popsicle sticks - much less steel and concrete. Anything in the way of the collapse with ANY structural integrity would have slowed the descent.

Nothing slowed the descent.

Nothing.

For this to occur, 100% of the structural members beneath the roof would need to lose 100% of their structural integrity, simultaneously.

The ONLY way that the roof line of building 7 could have fallen at free-fall acceleration speed was if every support column was simultaneously destroyed by explosives (or some esoteric device, but let's not go there right now.) Explosives residues (nanothermite) and iron spheres proving extremely high temperatures far far beyond office fires were found.

This is 100% proof that explosives, not fire, brought down the World Trade Center skyscrapers. It would take a large crew of demolitions experts at least a "man-week" (smallest estimate) to wire up any one of the skyscrapers, proving the explosives were planted before 9/11, proving it was a conspiracy and not a sequence of failures to respond. The evidence is clear, simple, and only by dumbing down Americans so that .005% have ever even taken a high school physics class, coupled with a concerted and deliberate disinformation program fed to shell-shocked US citizens by the mass media (propaganda wing of the CIA/NSA) could obscure the clear facts. The facts are so obvious that it is 100% impossible that NIST "scientists" sincerely believe what they wrote or said, they are deliberately lying as part of a grand conspiracy. The conspiracy (which may or may not include agents from other nations), absolutely MUST include US government personnel. So, 9/11 was indeed an "inside job" and the US government (or factions therein) conspired and covered-up the 9/11 event.

Agree, or disagree?

(I'm assuming that you agree with all of this, and that you are simply expressing some doubts about how the Pentagon event went down.) I would expect your agreement to allow a number of people that may wonder about your motives to see you in a new light.

Dennis

p.s. I'm not too thrilled with that smoke-covered picture with the annotations on it. Can you find another image to show what you're seeing?

[WhiteFeather]

Breathtaking Dennis. My Gratitude on this piece of work, and that is an understatement.

[modwiz]

I still find it difficult to work with a scenario where pilots in tests, traveling at the stated speed were unable to get the aircraft near the ground owing to the aerodynamics that create the upthrust to lift the jet off of the ground in the first place. If the official story demonstrated in these photos is true then the jet would have been coming in for a landing. Deceleration would have been necessary for that. The stated speed of the aircraft doesn't work. Whatever was in those few frames of video was moving a a very high rate of speed. The details provided here are not for people able to work with facts and simple deductions. They are for people used to the TV talking heads giving them predigested information. Like a mother bird feeding her chicks.

I admire what you are doing here, Dennis.

[WhiteFeather]

Agreed Modwiz, the strike from that angle by an airplane is totally impossible. A granite bunker missile makes more sense than a 757 driven by a terrorist who couldnt even throw a frisbee let alone maneuver a plane with such precise ability striking its designated target.


And This Nugget: Hijacker's Passport and a Landing Gear Fragment Alone Survive Fiery Crash

"CBS News reported, meanwhile, that a passport belonging to one of the hijackers, Satam al-Sugami, was found on the street minutes after the plane he was aboard crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center and before the New York landmark collapsed."

Amazing stuff! This is yet another "magic passport" found in the rubble in addition to "mastermind" Mohamed Atta's discovered passport at the WTC site.

Let's see if I can get this straight:

1. The fireballs of the WTC attacks melted structural steel that was designed to withstand heat of 2000 degrees F.

2. The fireballs of the WTC attacks completely destroyed both airplanes cockpit voice-recorders (situated at front)*and* the black-box data recorders (located in the rear of the aircraft).

3. The fireballs of the WTC attacks vaporized human bone and flesh.

4. And yet those same fireballs somehow weren't strong enough to do anything to a pair of surviving passportsfound in pristine condition. No surface scratches, scuffs, abrasions or burns. Perfect.

My Question: Why doesn't Boeing design a new black-box data recorder manufactured from the same indestructible material used to produce magical Saudi passports?


http://www.rense.com/general48/secondhijackerpass.htm

And this handy paperwork found at the pentagon
http://www.rense.com/general68/pass.htm

"

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
My Question: Why doesn't Boeing design a new black-box data recorder manufactured from the same indestructible material used to produce magical Saudi passports?

{rimshot}

hehehehehee

[WhiteFeather]

Posted by lord sidious (here)

Posted by eyes wide open (here)
pretty sure it was a jet.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html

how come the vast majority of your posts are 9/11 rebuttals?
Where exactly do you stand on the whole thing?
Can you explain your theory on the topic please?

i second that question!

[Referee]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)

Posted by lord sidious (here)

Posted by eyes wide open (here)
pretty sure it was a jet.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html

how come the vast majority of your posts are 9/11 rebuttals?
Where exactly do you stand on the whole thing?
Can you explain your theory on the topic please?

i second that question!

I Third it.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
EWO, I think I can help keep a few folks from thinking you're a disinfo agent.

On 9/11, the three skyscrapers (towers # 1 and 2, plus building #7) all "fell down" at a speed that was 100% impossible by simple physics. (Near free-fall speed for the towers, and the building #7 fell for at least the first 2.5 seconds - over 100 feet - AT free-fall speed, or free-fall acceleration, to be more exact: 32ft per second per second.) This is 100% impossible, and could not have happened if the buildings were made of cheese or Popsicle sticks - much less steel and concrete. Anything in the way of the collapse with ANY structural integrity would have slowed the descent.

Nothing slowed the descent.

Nothing.

For this to occur, 100% of the structural members beneath the roof would need to lose 100% of their structural integrity, simultaneously.

The ONLY way that the roof line of building 7 could have fallen at free-fall acceleration speed was if every support column was simultaneously destroyed by explosives (or some esoteric device, but let's not go there right now.) Explosives residues (nanothermite) and iron spheres proving extremely high temperatures far far beyond office fires were found.

This is 100% proof that explosives, not fire, brought down the World Trade Center skyscrapers. It would take a large crew of demolitions experts at least a "man-week" (smallest estimate) to wire up any one of the skyscrapers, proving the explosives were planted before 9/11, proving it was a conspiracy and not a sequence of failures to respond. The evidence is clear, simple, and only by dumbing down Americans so that .005% have ever even taken a high school physics class, coupled with a concerted and deliberate disinformation program fed to shell-shocked US citizens by the mass media (propaganda wing of the CIA/NSA) could obscure the clear facts. The facts are so obvious that it is 100% impossible that NIST "scientists" sincerely believe what they wrote or said, they are deliberately lying as part of a grand conspiracy. The conspiracy (which may or may not include agents from other nations), absolutely MUST include US government personnel. So, 9/11 was indeed an "inside job" and the US government (or factions therein) conspired and covered-up the 9/11 event.

Agree, or disagree?

(I'm assuming that you agree with all of this, and that you are simply expressing some doubts about how the Pentagon event went down.) I would expect your agreement to allow a number of people that may wonder about your motives to see you in a new light.

Dennis

Agree 100%.


I also want to say its getting very tedious for me when



I KEEP REPEATING THE REQUEST FOR PEOPLE TO RE-READ MY POSTS IN THIS THREAD TO SEE HERE I STAND ON 9/11. If anyone actually took the time to read my others posts o 9/11, not just in this thread, they would very quickly see where I stand.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by Referee (here)

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)

Posted by lord sidious (here)

Posted by eyes wide open (here)
pretty sure it was a jet.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html

how come the vast majority of your posts are 9/11 rebuttals?
Where exactly do you stand on the whole thing?
Can you explain your theory on the topic please?

i second that question!

I Third it.

Whitefeather - your logic is poor and a perfect illustration of what I posted about before.
Just because I don't think a missile hit the pentagon, that does not mean I therefore must believe the rest of the official story.
You are making a very wrong and huge leap of logic and are too eager in your fervor to paint me as a disinfo artist to actually take in and read what I have typed.
At least have the honesty and courtesy to actually read the thread.
I have explained my reasons for posting in the 9/11 forum and this is the third time I have had to ask others to read this thread to see where I am coming from.
I will say it again Your answer is on the very first page!
Is everyone just going to ask me the same questions and repeatedly ignore my answers? This thread will just go in circles.
Whitfeather, please confirm you have read the thread so we can move on and you don't have to keep asking me why I post here in the style do. Please actually answer this.
Its a shame people cant be bothered to read a thread and would rather form incorrect judgements about me (not dennis however). I guess its easier that way right?
Its getting boring. Thanks.

Dennis, I will try and find a photo. Thanks for the fair post. I wish others were more like you. Other posters such as Modwiz could learn much from you. But modwiz does not like open dialogue which is a shame.