David Icke 2011

[ponda]

Posted by modwiz (here)
James Horak has a take on the Greys' that I am comfortable with. He calls them extra biological entities or EBE's. He says they are soulless programmed bots sent to scout the universe. They are, in essence, 'wet computers'. With the ability to repair each other and no real lifespan limit they could go and explore the galaxy. Without wormhole technology intergalactic travel was a very time consuming affair. The EBE's were the ticket. Apparently they were sent out so long ago that some of the races that sent them out have gotten newer space traveling technology or died out. This makes the Greys rebels without a cause or mission other than to stay around and keep operating. It seems endless self repair and sustaining themselves was part of the programming, but decommissioning was not.

I'll bet Isaac Asimov would be intrigued by this.

Yes that is a fascinating and most likely highly plausible scenario.The thought of intelligent extra biological entities roaming the Universe long after their makers have moved on etc is quite probable imo.Also the diversity of such beings could be mind boggling.How much of their makers traits or consciousness that they each might have is interesting, as well as what were they originally designed to do and have they in fact changed at all and if they have then how ?

Another possible aspect of the Greys is that some of them might be silicon based spiritual entities with both positive and negative natures.The Mantids might also fit into this type of entity.

[DNA]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
this sounds like a personal opinion or an emotional imagination


according to the Bible God made a special mansion for these fallen spirits into which they try to trick us to join them

Hell is not a place of God's love but God's wrath

If you mean personal opinion in the sense that I think for myself and speak for myself rather than quoting male mysogny and ethnocentrism from the bible then yes, I was speaking from personal opinion.

[Aetheric Traveler]

Hell is not a place of God's love but God's wrath[/QUOTE]

Red, If God is Unconditional Love, how is it possible in your mind that the concept of God's Wrath can exist?

I have always had a problem with the contradictive double standard of this statement, The Wrath of God.

God is Love, Wrath is Anger. The statement "wrath of god", translates directly to the Anger of Love: Doesn't that sound a bit Satanic to you?

Is it possible that the successive translations of the Bible, whether by Reptilian Agenda, Man's Agenda or just plain human foolish mistakes over the last 4000 years has corrupted the true meaning of many of the passages?

The Bible is still full of fantastic spiritual lessons and teachings, but I don't cotton to the idea of worshipping it as a divine object, especially once man has touched it.

I have made up my own mind about these concepts and use them on a daily basis to understand that the concept of what most call "God" is so errantly bandied about without the slightest idea as what Anger or Love really mean.

IMHO, If God was ever angry for a nanosecond at Reptilians, Grays, humans, turtles, rocks or crickets and slugs, then, the whole universe would simply go up in a puff of smoke, leaving a thimblefull of ash where once there were an infinite number of galaxies.

IMHO, using the phrase "wrath of god" simply shows a developing human understanding in its most rudimentary stages of the concept of "Higher Love".

The entire Universe is created out of the vibrations of Love, manifested at different vibrational frequencies such that to us what seems solid is just an illusion to our 3 dimensionally limited eyesight.

The fact that people theorize that Reptilians can shapeshift, intermingle with humans without them knowing and sensitives get impressions of what they are interacting with, suggests to me that Reptilians are a a life form capable of transcending (moving in and out of physical form at will) to a degree unknown to the average limited-understanding human being.

Why would "God" as you him call him/her be mad at once species of life and not at another, like the Reptilians? Doesn't that seem prejudiced to you?

Just my thoughts, not meant to offend or make you feel insulted, but I can't agree anymore to see the phrase "wrath of god" the way I was taught constantly by people who practice so little of the Higher Love's lessons like I did myself when I was younger. I respect the beliefs of others and wish that all people's beliefs grow into the highest level of understanding that allows them the most spiritual growth possible.

Cheers,
AT

[Jenci]

Posted by Dawn (here)
Yes, I have directly seen them. Here is what they are like to me. When my 'spiritual eyes' were first opened I saw that some 7' tall lizard like beings who stood on their back legs were projecting a 'hologram' of a human body that targeted the frequencies seen by our 3 dimensional eyes. So if your vision only comes to your attention from your human body eyes then you will see a person, not the reality behind the hologram.

Many people can only see with their 3D eyes, but we have a number of bodies, and they all have eyes. When you become conscious of your other bodies, you can see with their eyes, as well as your 3D ones. That is when you will be able to see these type of beings.

Thanks for this, Dawn.
It's a very simple explanation.......for some reason it is resonating with me. I've not experienced that before with talk about reptiles.

Would you mind expanding on what you mean by other bodies. I guess you're not talking 3D human body form - so are you conscious of more than one body? At the same time? Do they see different things?
Jeanette

[RedeZra]

Posted by Aetheric Traveler (here)
Hell is not a place of God's love but God's wrath[/QUOTE]

Red, If God is Unconditional Love, how is it possible in your mind that the concept of God's Wrath can exist?

hi Aetheric Traveler


the Wrath of God is an idea i picked up from the Bible together with Heaven and Hell

i have never seen the Wrath of God nor Heaven and Hell or i have but i can't remember

but i have felt the Love of God and i remember it well


i don't like to confine God and so i do believe based on the Bible and the Vedas that Righteous Rage is on the Repertoire of God and that Hell is kindled with this Rage

God do not like sin and so Christ came to save sinners because God loves us

there are also spiritual rules in operation in the Universe and i guess God respects His rules

so much so that He came down to die on the Cross for us

[Unified Serenity]

Killing a disease is loving for the one attacked by it. Is there spiritual disease? I guess that is the question. We ultimately choose the path we take. Love should not be viewed emotionally all the time for there are times that the most loving thing to do does seem harsh, but it's for the greater good.

If all things come from God, then when the lake of fire is consumed by God and the past is remembered no more, is anything lost or do we finally have balance to continue the path God originally created with souls who have actually chosen the path of enlightenment and understand unconditional love.

[hangel]

to 1derer
There is scientific evidence for 'journeys' as i call RV. And anyway tell me what it is scientific evidence. im scientist and i dont know, because i question anything for living. Are Newton laws scientific? What about quantum stuff? There are scientific evidences against Newton. So what’s scientific? Is it enough to fix into our last 200 years to call it scientific? Our current awareness is too small to classify things that way.

[Dawn]

Jenci: Would you mind expanding on what you mean by other bodies. I guess you're not talking 3D human body form - so are you conscious of more than one body? At the same time? Do they see different things?.......... Jeanette

Hi Jeanette, most who study this topic would agree with me. We have a number of bodies. I haven't studied theory nearly as much as many people, and I know there is a lot of information out there that might give you a much more in-depth answer than mine. My understanding is based on personal experience and knowing.

Here is a partial list of the other bodies we have
1) the physical body
2) the emotional body
3) the mental body
4) the astral body
5) the etheric body
6) the causal body
I'm pretty sure there are more, but these are the ones I am conscious of.

The body I use most often to tell me about the world (other than my physical body with its 5 senses) is the etheric one. It has eyes and can both see and experience ether, prana, energy and so on.

What you probably want to know is how to activate your conscious awareness of the signals these bodies are giving you. There are so many paths to awareness. Mine has been through meditation and spending many hours in nature. I have taken the time to write about one of the most powerful meditation exercises I am aware of here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...a-how-to-guide

You may like to try the above technique or you may be led to other paths. Follow your own inner guidance.

Dawn

[Aetheric Traveler]

I believe in the Cosmic Mind. A sort of thing that unconsciously allows beings to manifest understandings of reality that they are completely unconsciously aware of. My feeling is that there are definitely all types of creatures in all types of forms, chemical and non-chemical compositions and life-forms where we wouldn't even consider them life forms by our 3 Dimensional standards.

The Cosmic Mind as such tends to "intuit" things into people's heads on a very Cosmically vibrating level such that we little humans think we are being creative when we write a Star Trek (The Original Series) episode like "ARENA" where Kirk has to battle the lizard-man creature called a Gorn.

Pretty poor representation of a lizard guy in a rubber suit, but the idea is not beyond possibility.

My own suspicion is that the truth of the planet, our planet Earth, which is like an Oasis in the middle of a cosmic sized desert, is a fantastic common source point for so many valuable resources, that it is in contention for "ownership" by most likely many different powerful factions not based originally on this planet. What the true history and who the true originators are is probably going to be hidden for quite some time.

Here is a supposition for everyone: Suppose you are a race known as the Annunaki and you are 16-30 foot tall humanoids who want to leave behind a caretaker race to keep the ownership of the Earth Annunaki-based. You conquered the planet over 100,000 years ago from a Reptilian race who conquered it from someone else who was totally non-violent, say, the Arcturians.

When you leave behind your Annunaki seeded caretaker race, you decide to alter their genetics from 24 pairs of chromosomes down to 23, even though the very primitive primate species on the planet have 24 pairs of genes, but they're just not developed enough cosmically and spiritually to the point of intelligence to make a caretaker race. You Terraform the planet, and put it into the care of the "altered" race whose number 2 genome is fused to make only 23 pairs of chromosomes. These 2 gene pairs fused at the Telomeres, shut off the different functions that control bone, cranial, and organ size growth for 16-30 feet tall humanoids so that the caretaker race is only 5-6 feet tall. The endocrine system, pineal, pituitary, and the related glandular functions that control all the differences in humanoid expression between the 2 different size beings are all effectively "turned down", but not off.

The reasons for doing so are many and I won't go into speculation here.

What you get is a race of altered "children" who are just like the parent race in many ways. They are given explicit instructions not to mess with the "Tree of Life", or the DNA heliacal system. And the Annunaki leave.

Sometimes the codes malfunction slightly and give rise to examples of giantism, dwarfism, and other not so perfect expressison of the altered gene coding because it's not a perfect alteration.

So now we have to get back to the Reptilians with the understanding that the Earth is populated with a caretaker race who is not fully as powerful as their parents. Along back come the Reptilians who "lost" the planet thousands of years ago and know if they reveal themselves completely or militarily overtake the planet's political and military systems, things will not go well when the Annunaki return, so, they infiltrate the human power structures and use/corrupt/malign the systems in place using the fooled caretakers of the Earth as their unwitting and sometimes witting servants, especially in very high powerful level circles. Since the Reptilians are working somewhat peacefully albeit unethically, with the caretaker race, they're probably hoping or counting on that they cannot be openly attacked by the returning Annunaki as if they were militaristic conquerors.

This leaves us in the position of being in the middle of 2 very powerful factions in the future if this kind of scenario has even the slightest amount of validity.

I didn't watch the Credo Matwa video because it looks like it's close to 6 hours long.

Just some food for thought.
Cheers,
AT

[jackovesk]

Posted by StephenW11UK (here)
Many of you will be familiar with Bill's interview with David Icke and Jordan Maxwell, where @ 1:46:25 into the discussion Jordan tells of a phone call he received from a representative of five 'christian families' who during a holiday together came into forced close contact with a reptilian being who, to put it mildly, frightened the s**t out of them - perhaps the most convincing reptilian contact story I've come across!

You may find the following short email worth considering as another piece of evidence pointing to the definite existence among us of reptilians:

http://www.stuartwilde.com/2011/11/d...-the-reptiles/

G'Day StephenW11UK,

For what is worth Stephen, I'm glad you joined Avalon...

Its great to see, its never too late to join in the search of the 'Truth' no matter how bizzare it may seem at times.

Regards,

Jack

[Black Panther]

We're gonna break the spell! It is happening. More and more people are waking up.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=F_XSwMfOdAc

I was watching tv tonight and I saw these monkeys. (Yes, I was watching tv, I am a bad boy ).
And now I've found this YouTube video about the monkeys. He says (at 1:00) : there are now more than 100 monkeys. So, the time has come!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iEpJf5-IYwM

[Jenci]

I don't doubt this at all, that one individual waking up to consciousness has an effect collectively.
Jeanette

[Mark]

Posted by Aetheric Traveler (here)
When you leave behind your Annunaki seeded caretaker race, you decide to alter their genetics from 24 pairs of chromosomes down to 23, even though the very primitive primate species on the planet have 24 pairs of genes, but they're just not developed enough cosmically and spiritually to the point of intelligence to make a caretaker race. You Terraform the planet, and put it into the care of the "altered" race whose number 2 genome is fused to make only 23 pairs of chromosomes. These 2 gene pairs fused at the Telomeres, shut off the different functions that control bone, cranial, and organ size growth for 16-30 feet tall humanoids so that the caretaker race is only 5-6 feet tall. The endocrine system, pineal, pituitary, and the related glandular functions that control all the differences in humanoid expression between the 2 different size beings are all effectively "turned down", but not off.

Great description of what could have potentially happened. I particularly resonate to the idea that it wouldn't have taken technology too far beyond ours if at all to do so. While the veracity of "The Lost Book of Enki" is in doubt, I think it is pretty fair in describing the types of technology that another race of beings in the solar system might have had some hundreds of thousands of years ago. No telling what the case might be now, but if there are other players moving into the system at the same time this oasis might be due for some pretty interesting times in the not-so-distant future.

[Carmody]

Then the next stage:


From the wiki on 'tulpa':

Areas of intense Fortean phenomena are called window areas. Many of them were places of former religious importance that have now waned or fallen from use. Could the worship or occult use of an area over hundreds of years create a sort of artificial life form? Something that fed on the worship. When the worship is taken away the "thing" still needs to feed. It now feeds by creating fear with paranormal manifestations. Another idea is that they are a massive, collective, sub-conscious, thought form. The thought form or tulpa is said to be a 3-D semi solid image created by the power of the mind. Buddhist llamas [sic] in Tibet are said to be able to summon up tulpas during intense meditation. Western explorer Dame Alexandra [David-Néel] was said to have created a tulpa of a monk whilst studying in Tibet. Polish medium Franek Kluski (Teofil Modrzejewski) was said to have summoned up huge cats, birds, and even ape-men during séances. Perhaps, considering the types of beast he called up, he was creating tulpas. If individuals can create tulpas imagine what the collective, gestalt mind of humanity as a species could do. Perhaps dragons are a giant worldwide thought form emanating from our innermost fears.[14]

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In the face of that, what is a reptilian or an archon?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

Tyson Lewis and Richard Kahn see Icke as a spiritual philosopher, arguing that it's not clear he believes in the reptilians himself. They write that there is an almost obsessive-compulsive element to his writing, which includes anything he can find to support a narrative that connects ancient Sumer to modern America, in a way that "defies the laws of academic gravity."[67] They argue that the lizards may be allegorical, a Swiftian satire describing the emergence of a global fascist state. In Children of the Matrix, Icke writes that if the reptilians did not exist, we would have to invent them. "In fact," he says, "we probably have. They are other levels of ourselves putting ourselves in our face."


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I was just reading that the only thing that causes a positive response in DNA, is the emotion of love. This is found in David wilcock's new book, about page 165 or so. This was concerning scientifically rigorous tests. I'm not explaining myself perfectly here.

The fact that we are also amplifiers and transmitters of energies that we are not aware of. This is covered in the new book, as well.

for example, the idea that 'reps' and 'archons' and even Typhon, or Lucifer, are all the same..they are all manifestations that need our input to survive...period.

The literal manifestation of fear. I myself can speak in other people's heads. Usually when I'm VERY angry with them. I'm also on record as saying and feeling that..through observation and remembered astral travels..that I've created my OWN Tulpas. More than once.

Now, how about reports from those who do surgery on people with the equivalent of a dull spoon? yet the wound is excised, the offending bits removed, and the body heals itself, immediately.

Everything must be taken into account, to see it clearly. Everything. There is still much more to cover. For example, Doyle Noyes creating a storm in Kansas city. People see it, they add in their energy and he takes charge of that too. When the electrostatic levels are high enough and enough aetheric energy is involved, he can then use the energies to knock cars over, throw things about, etc. The sorcerer. The wizard.

I have an astro double. a very famous astro double. a celebrity.

now, when people willed tremendous amounts of energy at this double, they aimed it at his 'ideal'. This/his vibration was/is similar to mine. THAT is when I was able to manifest in front of people, to manifest tulpas, to be seen in astral form, as a real thing, to manipulate energies, etc. now, this was also an astrologically powerful period but this was something else. I mean, my dogs have never had a leash or collar. My connections were purely mental.

As I have learned from that experience, I am almost as strong as I was then. I understand the connection, I feel the connection, I know the connection, I am a connection. the true state of true knowing. Here, on this forum, Chris..greybeard.. speaks of a time when he was at a an ashram in India, IIRC. and the guru could and did manifest things like small animals or flowers, etc. flowers, right out of his mouth. The Guru flat out said that the people WILLED that energy to him, as a form of their belief in him.

Now consider my 'take' on all this. real..and not real.

Real enough to have to deal with, but real in what way?

Look again.

[Mark]

Considering that everything that we 'see' is, in all actuality, a projection on the 'wall' of a black hole inside our heads, and that we never really even touch anything or anyone, nothing is really real in any sense other than a mental interaction with something we identify as other be it organic or non-organic. Holographic reality? Everything is one thing? If we deal with what is within, what is without will in turn be dealt with.

[Carmody]

So, plainly said, the roman catholic bible and associated apparatus.... requires your fear.

They specifically killed off the ones in their midst who preach love, or truth. The orthodox sects, The councils of Nicaea, the shift of Saturn's feast day... to being Christ's birthday in order to capture those energies for 'Saturn', etc.....the believers in psychic energies, the thread on hell is an invention of the church. and so on.

Love would dissolve a need for all of it --- to exist.

Look at that federal reserve thingie and then the pyramid with the eye, again.

The list of energetic leeches is nearly endless. Real or not?

We get into the complexity of what is real, when the universe is one of co-creation in a sea of energies.

WILL is creation and the stability of life. Which is why we were created with a set of training wheels called duality.... and a body function... which has been held from us. Held until we sit up and take charge of our full selves. When we are individually ready.

[Mark]

Point made, bredren.

Just to return to the illusion of parasitic entities for a moment, Don Juan told Casteneda that the Fliers were a test, a way of individuals proving that they were ready to move beyond the energetic relationships that continue to enthrall the masses and keep their energy recycling within the same context. Perhaps that is the expression of 'taking charge of our full selves'? The sign of when we are individually ready?

The act of 'stilling the mind' which makes the Fliers leave, that Don Juan instructs Casteneda with approximates Shamatha meditation, a Buddhist-related tradition. Is this something beyond "Stopping the world"? From that tradition (Toltec), we have an ascension of sorts beyond normal everyday perception and a new way of interacting with the world. So is achieving enlightenment according to the Buddhist tradition. potentially the same level of Being as a Toltec Shaman/Warrior/Sorcerer?

[Carmody]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
Point made, bredren.

Just to return to the illusion of parasitic entities for a moment, Don Juan told Casteneda that the Fliers were a test, a way of individuals proving that they were ready to move beyond the energetic relationships that continue to enthrall the masses and keep their energy recycling within the same context. Perhaps that is the expression of 'taking charge of our full selves'? The sign of when we are individually ready?

The act of 'stilling the mind' that Don Juan instructs Casteneda with approximates Shamatha meditation, a Buddhist-related tradition. From that tradition, we have an ascension of sorts beyond normal everyday perception and a new way of interacting with the world. Achieving enlightenment, potentially the same level of Being as a Toltec Shaman/Warrior/Sorcerer?

Without having read the works, and only the few sentences above, I'd say yes.

I wanted to be honest with myself, so I made it there on my own, and am only now reading some of the answer books and works. I wanted no chance that suggestion would pollute my mind and have any potential for traction in my mind, regarding 'fooling myself'. This was very important. I wanted to be absolutely sure.

[Mark]

From, The Active Side of Infinity. Carlos Casteneda.

Focus your attention on the fleeting shadows that you actually see. The flyers' mind has not left you, it has been seriously injured. It's trying its best to rearrange its relationship with you. But something in you is severed forever. The flyer knows that. The real danger is that the flyers' mind may win by getting you tired and forcing you to quit by playing the contradiction between what it says and what I say. You see, the flyers' mind has no competitors, when it proposed something, it agrees with its own proposition, and it makes you believe that you've done something of worth. The flyers' mind will say to you that whatever Juan Matus is telling you is pure nonsense, and then the same mind will agree with its own proposition, "Yes, of course, it is nonsense," you will say. That's the way they overcome us. The flyers are an essential part of the universe and they must be taken as what they really are&endash;awesome, monstrous. They are the means by which the universe tests us. We are energetic probes created by the universe, and it's because we are possessors of energy that has awareness that we are the means by which the universe becomes aware of itself. The flyers are the implacable challengers. They cannot be taken as anything else. If we succeed in doing that, the universe allows us to continue.

Posted by Carmody (here)
I wanted to be honest with myself, so I made it there on my own, and am only now reading some of the answer books and works. I wanted no chance that suggestion would pollute my mind and have any potential for traction in my mind, regarding 'fooling myself'. This was very important. I wanted to be absolutely sure.

Admirable and necessary in order to be an experiential reality and not an intellectual exercise.

[Aetheric Traveler]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by Aetheric Traveler (here)
When you leave behind your Annunaki seeded caretaker race, you decide to alter their genetics from 24 pairs of chromosomes down to 23, even though the very primitive primate species on the planet have 24 pairs of genes, but they're just not developed enough cosmically and spiritually to the point of intelligence to make a caretaker race. You Terraform the planet, and put it into the care of the "altered" race whose number 2 genome is fused to make only 23 pairs of chromosomes. These 2 gene pairs fused at the Telomeres, shut off the different functions that control bone, cranial, and organ size growth for 16-30 feet tall humanoids so that the caretaker race is only 5-6 feet tall. The endocrine system, pineal, pituitary, and the related glandular functions that control all the differences in humanoid expression between the 2 different size beings are all effectively "turned down", but not off.

Great description of what could have potentially happened. I particularly resonate to the idea that it wouldn't have taken technology too far beyond ours if at all to do so. While the veracity of "The Lost Book of Enki" is in doubt, I think it is pretty fair in describing the types of technology that another race of beings in the solar system might have had some hundreds of thousands of years ago. No telling what the case might be now, but if there are other players moving into the system at the same time this oasis might be due for some pretty interesting times in the not-so-distant future.

Thanks, Rahkyt, I have to go back and re-read the Lost Book of Enki. It's sitting on my shelf within eyesight as I type this and I haven't been in it for over a decade. I have read so many different author's ideas of what is and what was, that it's hard to figure out just exactly what I believe sometimes. My beliefs evolve on a monthly and weekly basis as of late. After reading the Flower of Life, Vol 1 & 2 by Drunvalo Melchizidek, it became clearer to me that there are many different aspects of what we call "Human" in relation to the concept of the Monad. I don't profess to understand the Monad very well yet, but it's something I dare say nobody can completely explain because it's different for everyone. Everyone's Monad is made up for different reasons specific to their Cosmic Balances and no one else's.

Regarding the Reptilians, the Monad and the return of the Annunaki, this gets very complex in spiritual terms because we exist on many different levels at the same time (the Monad) and we are not consciously aware of all of them until our consciousness raises to the point of accessing each particular ascending vibrational level.

I suspect the concept of the Monad will show us that we are Humans on one level, Annunaki on another level as their children, Annunaki as themselves in a separated form, similar to a split form of our/themselves not unlike the split of personalities such as in the movie Dark Crystal with the Skexis and the Mystics, and finally several other different forms, one of which might very well be the Reptilians.

That presents a strange possibility that the Reptilians (as a part of our Monad and we theirs) are indeed us. If that is true, then, the Annunaki, the Reptilians, the other aspects of our Monad are waiting for us little humans to catch up in spiritual growth to meld into one fusion of higher being by integrating all the developed parts of the whole into something not possible separately.

Consider it sort of like taking out certain body parts and sending them to the cleaners and waiting for them to get back to you can run a race somewhere that requires all parts to be at the same level of Cosmic Clean.

Maybe it's my imagination, or it's the Cosmic Mind, but there's certainly more to the equation than the Vatican or any other large Power That Be wants us to find out because, as they say, You Shall Learn the Truth and It Shall Set You Free. The sequel to the movie the Golden Compass was SQUASHED BY THE VATICAN!!! uh-huh, yeah, what a real threat it must have been.
Cheers,
AT