Ron Paul (2010-2011)

[alienHunter]

Posted by NancyV (here)

Posted by alienHunter (here)

Posted by NancyV (here)
Ron Paul, in my opinion, is right in what he says in many way and the What If video is inspiring, but:

What if he is a visionary, ahead of his time?
What if he is ignoring human nature and the almost certain probability that human nature will not change?
What if the US becomes more isolationist, who will step into that void? China or Russia most likely.
What if the world then comes under the domination of China or Russia when the US becomes a lesser power?
What if their human rights violations are even worse than the human rights violations of the US?

I consider Ron Paul's foreign policy ideas to be dangerous. In an ideal world we could all just get along, but that is not going to happen any time soon. Reality often sucks and in the case of world politics, wars, etc. it sucks big time. Radical Islam has been engaged in wars of conquest for a couple of thousand years. Communism has been engaged in conquest and oppression for not quite 200 years. Fascism is equally dangerous. We ignore these realities at our peril. Anyone who thinks these dangers don't exist or can be ignored and avoided needs to study history.

Our aspirations towards peace and love will only work on an individual level. We can attempt to influence others, BUT we will not change human nature. Humans (mostly men) are a warlike species who have engaged in wars of conquest and subjugation of others as far back as we have records of history.

I agree, but that's not my real problem. My problem is that Paul's vision applies only to those who are at the same spiritual, emotional, physical, and philosophical level as he. He is a very, very ugly human being.

I agree that Paul's vision only applies to those who have similar philosophies to his...and that is a minority of the population of the world. As far as being an "ugly human being"... he doesn't come across that way to me. If I were to think every naive or misguided human was ugly then it would be a huge majority of the human race. It might even include me! But I am a terrible judge of character and know I have that weakness. I find Ron Paul rather endearing in his enthusiasm, misguided as I think his foreign policy stances are. I don't think he will be successful in winning the republican nomination as he is not supported by the PTB. (which makes him a better person) Personally I don't trust any politicians, even the ones who make a lot of sense at times.

You are indeed a sweet person...I felt that way for the most part until I came here. His obvious propensity for extreme views concerning 'others' has always been what troubled me at the core issue. I did think he was rather quaint but judging the content of this stuff and his followers, I'm leaning to a description of 'a little troll like' creature. My Gawd, I've fallen prey to the PERCEIVED ugliness around me to a greater depth than ever before. I guess maybe I'm not only spiritually descended from ORION, hell I might have been taken over by one of those damnable reptiles.

[risveglio]

So somehow you think you are a better person and we are ugly because we feel that an individual needs to be self-sufficient before he can help his fellow man and woman. And, somehow, you do not see that the perceived safety net of government is what truly oppresses the individuals that you so desperately "claim" to want to help. I think you are very misguided.

The guy wants to help 'others' more than any other leader we have ever even considered before and you twist it like he only cares for his own kind. Maybe you right and you are reptile.

[dreamer]

not to be a smart a**, but its Bill Ryan, not Paul, if it was a typo, understood, if not, now ya know

[alienHunter]

thanks, never said I was perfect, just determined.


Risveglio...I know that was totally unfair, so here's an inner glimpse at my ugliness...

I have often felt that a nuclear cleansing might do civilization some good.

I would never ascribe the term 'better' or 'worse' in respect to human beings. I am much more inclined to view it as different and troubling for me.

[alienHunter]

Hey Dreamer,

You follow any blogs in the Houston area?

[Jeffrey]

Posted by alienHunter (here)
thanks, never said I was perfect, just determined.


Risveglio...I know that was totally unfair, so here's an inner glimpse at my ugliness...

I have often felt that a nuclear cleansing might do civilization some good.

Wow. Now that we know your implacable stance, I think maybe this "argument" (if one could even call it that...) is over.

“All bow to virtue, and then walk away." -De Finod

***EDIT FOR CLARIFICATION***

virtue |ˈvərCHo͞o| (not to be confused with ah-choo)
noun
-behavior showing high moral standards: paragons of virtue.
• a quality considered morally good or desirable in a person: patience is a virtue.
• a good or useful quality of a thing: Mike was extolling the virtues of the car | there's no virtue in suffering in silence.

Like "non-violence is a virtue".

Nuclear cleansing—bad.
Non-violence—good.

[alienHunter]

thank you, thank you...

[Jeffrey]

Posted by alienHunter (here)
thank you, thank you...

Dig alienHunter, dig my friend. The human spirit unifies us as a people; beyond race, culture, and creed. Fight the good fight, not with bloodshed (i.e. nuclear cleansing), but by taking the higher path! A sword in it's sheath is a treasure beyond compare...

[alienHunter]

vivek,

I lost my response...very beautiful thing...yes, it is.

[jackovesk]

Posted by jimmer (here)
pure b.s.
I know, let's make friends with Iran.
wishful thinking can be dangerous.
isolationism has always backfired.

Posted by alienHunter (here)

Posted by jimmer (here)
pure b.s.
I know, let's make friends with Iran.
wishful thinking can be dangerous.
isolationism has always backfired.

Innocent people are routinely sent to the death chamber based on bad information, yet, the feeling is 'oh well, no system is perfect, a little collateral damage is to be expected.' You're right...total bullsh*t.

I am quickly becoming disgusted with what I have found here...

Talk about being Disgusted - You 2 need to have a Good Hard Long LOOK into the Mirror, like this Bloke..!

[modwiz]

Posted by NancyV (here)
Ron Paul, in my opinion, is right in what he says in many way and the What If video is inspiring, but:

What if he is a visionary, ahead of his time?
What if he is ignoring human nature and the almost certain probability that human nature will not change?
What if the US becomes more isolationist, who will step into that void? China or Russia most likely.
What if the world then comes under the domination of China or Russia when the US becomes a lesser power?
What if their human rights violations are even worse than the human rights violations of the US?

I consider Ron Paul's foreign policy ideas to be dangerous. In an ideal world we could all just get along, but that is not going to happen any time soon. Reality often sucks and in the case of world politics, wars, etc. it sucks big time. Radical Islam has been engaged in wars of conquest for a couple of thousand years. Communism has been engaged in conquest and oppression for not quite 200 years. Fascism is equally dangerous. We ignore these realities at our peril. Anyone who thinks these dangers don't exist or can be ignored and avoided needs to study history.

Our aspirations towards peace and love will only work on an individual level. We can attempt to influence others, BUT we will not change human nature. Humans (mostly men) are a warlike species who have engaged in wars of conquest and subjugation of others as far back as we have records of history.

Pedant alert! Mohammed began to receive the Quran in 610 AD, with the actual religion taking form some time later. 1400 years ago. At 1500 years you could technically round off the number to two thousand to derive your couple of thousand years. I decided to pick on you here where opinion is not the consideration. We have very different opinions on the problem of radical Islam as a planet wide problem. I do not wish to pursue what I believe to be a conversation with no resolve between us.

You are a sharp intellect. You do yourself a disservice by working with numbers (couple of thousand years) that are far off of the mark.
Must have been your passion.

[Arc]

Posted by alienHunter (here)

Posted by jimmer (here)
pure b.s.
I know, let's make friends with Iran.
wishful thinking can be dangerous.
isolationism has always backfired.

Innocent people are routinely sent to the death chamber based on bad information, yet, the feeling is 'oh well, no system is perfect, a little collateral damage is to be expected.' You're right...total bullsh*t.

I am quickly becoming disgusted with what I have found here...

Ok, well, then don't come here looking... if you are so disgusted.

Not really sure what you are here, in this thread, for then (since the last "3 weeks" of your membership...) except for following all the Ron Paul threads that are posted on PA in order to add negative commentary.

[Arc]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
This video made me cry. Truth is a beautiful thing:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY

Unified Serenity, I love all of your Ron Paul posts! ...same goes for jackovesk! Great posts always!

Also, I think it's a fun coincidental synchronicity that your avatar name's initials are - US.

[modwiz]

Posted by alienHunter (here)
Unified,

I feel somewhat gratified that you are no longer paying attention to me, so you won't read this response to my lack of responses to your 'proof'. I see it as ridiculous propaganda. I have seen a number of at least somewhat partial pundits comment on his adherence to principle and go on to comment that it is a good thing. But Adolph Hitler was a stickler for principle as well. I've also seen and read those that go straight to the HEART of what I've been trying to impart in the least strident and offensive manner possible. But I haven't seen any of those comments appear in your 'proof'.

Adolf Hitler in an argument? That is desperate emotional button pressing. Invoking him is always an abdication of an honest pursuit of substance. It means your quiver is empty.

[modwiz]

Posted by dreamer (here)
don't worry Avalon, not all houstonians see RP in this twisted view, he has lots of love from Houston, and if you disagree, start a thread, don't argue your point on a pro-Ron Paul thread...

Making a case against a subject with invective, and Adolf Hitler allusions, is far easier than actually saying something.

Did ET fart in here?

[modwiz]

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by dreamer (here)
don't worry Avalon, not all houstonians see RP in this twisted view, he has lots of love from Houston, and if you disagree, start a thread, don't argue your point on a pro-Ron Paul thread...

I'm with you man, but you can't tell me that Ron Paul's enthusiastic base of support would shy away from posting on an anti-RP thread!

If they stayed away there would be almost nobody in it. I'm am against politicians in general. RP is almost looking like a non politician. Sure is a likeable guy with a very human track record. If I vote, and he is there, it will be for him.

An anti-Ron Paul thread would be like Redezra's bible thread. Just him posting......almost.

[jackovesk]

Posted by jimmer (here)
pure b.s.
I know, let's make friends with Iran.
wishful thinking can be dangerous.
isolationism has always backfired.

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by alienHunter (here)
Unified,

I feel somewhat gratified that you are no longer paying attention to me, so you won't read this response to my lack of responses to your 'proof'. I see it as ridiculous propaganda. I have seen a number of at least somewhat partial pundits comment on his adherence to principle and go on to comment that it is a good thing. But Adolph Hitler was a stickler for principle as well. I've also seen and read those that go straight to the HEART of what I've been trying to impart in the least strident and offensive manner possible. But I haven't seen any of those comments appear in your 'proof'.

Adolf Hitler in an argument? That is desperate emotional button pressing. Invoking him is always an abdication of an honest pursuit of substance. It means your quiver is empty.

It means your quiver is empty.

[Jeffrey]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by dreamer (here)
don't worry Avalon, not all houstonians see RP in this twisted view, he has lots of love from Houston, and if you disagree, start a thread, don't argue your point on a pro-Ron Paul thread...

I'm with you man, but you can't tell me that Ron Paul's enthusiastic base of support would shy away from posting on an anti-RP thread!

If they stayed away there would be almost nobody in it. I'm am against politicians in general. RP is almost looking like a non politician. Sure is a likeable guy with a very human track record. If I vote, and he is there, it will be for him.

An anti-Ron Paul thread would be like Redezra's bible thread. Just him posting......almost.

I'd agree with you there, that he's a non-politician.

politician |ˌpäləˈtiSHən|
noun
• a person who acts in a manipulative and devious way, typically to gain advancement within an organization.

As for Redezra.. I had no idea what you were talking about, so I googled it and it took me to Red Ezra's wikipedia page ... He seems like a man of integrity...

(Then I searched the forum and found the thread you were talking about. So no worries.)

[jackovesk]

Posted by modwiz (here)
Did ET fart in here?

Yes, and he took a another 'Cowardly Dump' and flew away..!

[Arc]

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Posted by jimmer (here)
pure b.s.
I know, let's make friends with Iran.
wishful thinking can be dangerous.
isolationism has always backfired.

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by alienHunter (here)
Unified,

I feel somewhat gratified that you are no longer paying attention to me, so you won't read this response to my lack of responses to your 'proof'. I see it as ridiculous propaganda. I have seen a number of at least somewhat partial pundits comment on his adherence to principle and go on to comment that it is a good thing. But Adolph Hitler was a stickler for principle as well. I've also seen and read those that go straight to the HEART of what I've been trying to impart in the least strident and offensive manner possible. But I haven't seen any of those comments appear in your 'proof'.

Adolf Hitler in an argument? That is desperate emotional button pressing. Invoking him is always an abdication of an honest pursuit of substance. It means your quiver is empty.

It means your quiver is empty.

The quiver seems to have been empty all along, from that direction.

This is perhaps my favorite post, from such emptiness...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post377703

Wow, credible question, (lol) - if Ron Paul is really a reptilian shape-shifter??

Haha. This is some top quality thought provoking material!

If I were someone with a goal of infiltrating a forum, with an agenda, maybe even political, maybe even deceptive, and was trying to blend in with folks I didn't even understand... well, I might post this kind of idea to slide some topic to where I was hoping it would go.

Let's say, for example, I wanted to use dis-info agents to discredit RP in places on the internet, where he is very credible, like on alternative forums full of folks interested in philosophical debates. Then, I might create a persona, a few months before a primary election, and start posting all contrary garbage to dissuade my enemies, who I wished to manipulate, into siding with my mainstream agenda.

Just sayin' ...

Sorry, to be so direct.

Wait - No, I'm not.