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    9eagle9, I always love your postings and can't wait until this weekend when I actually have time to read this thread and catch up. Best to you and everyone on this thread.
    Thank you Whiskey.


    Here's a MSM newsbite of what Dawn spoke of in action. We see stuff like this in the media everyday but...are we really aware of what is happening....behind the scenes as it were.


    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/N...er-game-121311

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    Believing that one is powerless is the biggest mind trap. Whether you call them parasites, ets, archons or aunty Lily the bottom line is that vulnerability resides in the thoughtform that one creates that says that one is vulneratble. By holding a strong energy field one can become invulnerable but it takes time for the mind to learn how to do this and hold the focus that is required

    Most of the parasites are thoughtforms created by the fear of humanity and they are not alien at all which may be why they are so insidious because we are powerful for good or bad

    Living by the principle of "do no harm" is what makes warriors fearless

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    Quote Posted by joamarks (here)

    i personally found different (a lot) reasons why parasites can be beneficial for us.

    often as a child when we are scared, feeling alone or being hurt by others, we let them in and "protect" us.
    by letting us feeling the power (generated out of fear)
    I think you point something out here that folks don't always want to hear.
    And it is this.
    A person can willingly join with a non-organic living being, and receive some kind of benefit. Dawn has illustrated this in her story with some "psychics?" using non-physical parasites to read the minds of clients and provide the psychic with inside information.

    I have made this point as well in an earlier testimony on this thread. Encounter with a Vampire
    I Stated in this post what I felt was a entity trying to form an attachment with me, an entity asking to reside within my physical body. This entity let me know that he could "clean house" if you will by removing "perpipheral parasites" that were bleeding me of spiritual energy.

    This statement is very telling in acknowledging something, kind of considered distastefull.
    For all of our concern over Castaneda's "fliers", the arch-parasite if you will, the parasite Rex, none will achieve much of anything in thier rebellian against this being.


    It is the lesser parasites one may have success with in my opinion, but, it is the acknowledging of these parasites which is hard to do.

    Bearcow got this party started when he stated this on the first page of this thread.

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    for the sake of simplicity ill break up astral entities that siphon energy off people into 4 classes.

    Lesser elemental beings

    Like the parasites/bacteria that exist in a persons intestinal system, there are elemental beings that siphon off energy from a human that operate in a similar way a Remora fish siphons food off of sharks and other sea creatures. These types of elementals are not malevolent in intent, they are simply living there lives as they are meant to, feeding off life and playing their role in as they should in there own course of development. Sometimes there presence can be beneficial, as they can siphon off any excess energy that would cause health problems if not properly balanced in your field. Virtually everyone has some of these critters attached to them at one point or another, when removed they should not be harmed, as they are not highly intelligent and have no concept of what a human being is.

    earthbound humans

    People who have lost their spiritual identity and cling to life and the pleasures they associate with it. Usually the po/ body intelligence has become too strong while they were alive and has dominated the motivations, and perspective of the individual into a entirely materialistic view. Usually the individual will have some sort of addiction and will siphon off energy from people in the flesh that have the same addiction. Also in this class, but extremely rare is the black magician who tries to strengthen the po to give immortality to the lower self, and will practice some form of vampirism to replenish its energy. All the old tales of vampires and ghouls fall into this class.

    Negative Lower astral entities

    A demon would generally fall into this class, as would other semi intelligent astral beings that willfully/deceitfully feed off of the corresponding elemental essence in a human being. The typical concept of a demon would feed the off unchecked fire within a human being that creates blood lust, murderous thoughts etc. I have never seen a reptilian as such, but if they do exist, i suppose they would be at the higher end of this spectrum. Just to note, beings in this class are intelligent/powerful enough that they can assume any form they wish to try to deceive you.


    Gods

    Gods that feed off the life and control those who are less powerful and intelligent than they are. this is somewhat beyond me but i have had run in's with forms of evil beyond my comprehension. I think this picture sort of gives you a idea.

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    Quote Posted by joamarks (here)
    you can't simple ignore them by thinking positive.
    (not to make you scared ofcorse but just to be realistic.)
    I agree here as well Joamarks. I would love to hear the story of anyone who has felt they have entered into a confrontation with these things and won.
    I personally find this to be the trap these things set in place in case of their discovery.

    Externalizing our attention in the form of wishfull thinking, positive thinking, spells of banishment, proclamations of eviction with diety declared rightousness. It is my experience that these things do not work. I have tried them, and they just did not work. I entered into long dialogues and heated battles, all to no avail.

    It is important that you realize what you have control over in this matter. You have control over yourself. And the only reason the parasite is present is because you are feeding it. How are you feeding it? Now, there is the question, and this is what you can exert some effect upon. A quiet mind is the best place to start, and for this one must learn to quiet the internal dialogue.

    Here is an experience I had that can help to illustrate this. Parasite of the thief

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    Quote Posted by joamarks (here)
    this book, a sf novel: the parasites of the mind by collin wilson, is also an amazing reed about this subject.

    in his story there is a relation between the moon and the parasites.
    that there is a force field around the earth to keep these parasites prison to the earth.

    Wilson has blended H.P. Lovecraft’s dark vision with his own revolutionary philosophy and unique narrative powers to produce a stunning, high-tension story of vaulting imagination.
    I've been told about this story by Wilson before. I intend to read it when the oppurtunity presents.
    I'm a huge Lovecraft fan.

    It's crazy what you say in connection to the moon. Blake wrote quite a bit in connection to the moon having a parasitic effect on man. This sentiment was echoed by a friend of mine, Jonathan Zap, and he has continued in this vein writing about mind parasites, he has helped influence me on the matter, and I would like to think I've done the same with him.

    On another note, there is a lot of corresponding data that is very interesting in connection to the earth being quarintined. There is the Van Alan Belt of radiation that surrounds the earth. Could this be some kind of barrier to the "fliers"? A lot of strange stuff here, I appreciate your comments Joamarks and all the contributions you have made on this thread.

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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    Yes and as adults we will hold them because they give us a false sense of empowerment. The one's cultivated in childhood can be troublesome, because we are so used to having them in our energy we are no longer aware of them. Like a object in your house that you get so used to that you no longer notice it. Once you begin relating to energy one may sense a drop off in energy , but still not realize its external energies.
    This is why silencing the mind is so important, it is the first step in being able to recognize what is going on. It is the first step in taking a personal inventory.
    The age old addage "know thyself" is really useless unless one learns to discern one's own voice from the chatter that does not really originate with-in one self.


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    DNA, you have said a couple of times you began this thread to encourage others to share their experiences. Although I've shared a few already I would like to add to my reporting on this thread. And I'd like to know if anyone else has experienced something like I'm going to describe.
    The passage about the chiropractor is very specific. It doesn't make sense he not remembering such a specific and pointed thing. The other examples were contextual, and what was said is related to the situation. But the chiropractor, that was just weird indeed. The chiropractor seems to be an almost oversoul type experience, where one's higher self took over for a moment so as to communicate something.

    I'm certainly out of my depth with this one. I wish I could analogise and or provide a metaphor, but I'm kind of stumped, I just haven't had this kind of experience. The possible explanations you gave were as good as any thing I've got.

    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    I'm on record as saying that I've created Tulpas.
    I'm not arguing your claim. But I have often speculated as to the idea of creation in this event.
    I have speculated here that it may very well be 4th D creatures entering into a situation that has abundent energy and morphing into whatever is desired by those whom are concentrating on or praying to said being.

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    From the site you recommended DNA: http://www.zaporacle.com/mind-parasi...-and-vampires/

    Quote The topic is both old and new. Old, because in all traditions and folklores of the earth, one finds references to spirits and non-physical beings which can interfere with human beings. Thus Ayurveda, the traditional medicine of India, is divided into eight sections, one of which is entirely devoted to the study of bhutas, or entities, their influence on health and sanity, and the ways one can get rid of them. This places bhuta-vidya, or ‘science of entities’, on the same level as surgery or gynecology. If we look at traditional Chinese medicine, we find that in acupuncture, among the 361 points of the 14 main meridians, 17 have the word Kuei (disincarnate spirit) as part of their main or secondary name .
    I had an interesting experience several years ago, when I made an appointment with an Ayurvedic center for a sesame oil treatment. This included dripping this oil slowly on the 3rd eye for an hour. At that time I was giving myself daily personal massages with this oil, as prescribed in Ayurvedic disciplines, but adding the 3rd eye drip was something I had never done before.

    The center was a 45 minute drive from home, through beautiful old redwood groves, and I arrived in the state of calm joy that being surrounded by those old beings creates in me. Once I turned my car engine off I had a totally different experience. Suddenly I could not move from the car. A deep terror of the building, where the treatment was to be performed took hold of me, and all my muscles locked up. It took me a full 10 minutes to get out of the car, and walk 30 feet to the door of the building, which actually made me 5 minutes late for my appointment. When I mentioned the occurrence to the attending healer she just lightly said, "Pita energy can do that sometimes but the treatment will balance everything".

    She was correct, the treatment was very relaxing and I felt a great deal lighter when I left.

    I am positive the terror and rigid muscle were caused by a parasite I did not even realize I had until I arranged that session. I highly recommend it.

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    Quote Quote Posted by joamarks (here)
    this book, a sf novel: the parasites of the mind by collin wilson, is also an amazing reed about this subject.

    in his story there is a relation between the moon and the parasites.
    that there is a force field around the earth to keep these parasites prison to the earth.

    Wilson has blended H.P. Lovecraft’s dark vision with his own revolutionary philosophy and unique narrative powers to produce a stunning, high-tension story of vaulting imagination.
    I've been told about this story by Wilson before. I intend to read it when the oppurtunity presents.
    I'm a huge Lovecraft fan.

    It's crazy what you say in connection to the moon. Blake wrote quite a bit in connection to the moon having a parasitic effect on man. This sentiment was echoed by a friend of mine, Jonathan Zap, and he has continued in this vein writing about mind parasites, he has helped influence me on the matter, and I would like to think I've done the same with him.

    On another note, there is a lot of corresponding data that is very interesting in connection to the earth being quarintined. There is the Van Alan Belt of radiation that surrounds the earth. Could this be some kind of barrier to the "fliers"? A lot of strange stuff here, I appreciate your comments Joamarks and all the contributions you have made on this thread.
    My information on this is that the moon was installed specifically to keep us controlled. Because we return to our full potential with relative ease, a permanent solution needed to be found to keep us controllable. The solution was the moon, and ancient Sumerian tablets specify that it was installed. According to these tabletsm it is the installation of the moon that brought death for the first time here on earth.

    Thus the words relating to the lunar cycle: Looney and lunatic. And of course, werewolves change on the full moon.

    It would appear that the installation of this controller causes women around the globe to ovulate and bleed monthly, even though they are not planning on creating new life. This causes them to loose precious life force in a forced cycle. It is also true that more murders and violent crimes occur on the full moons each year.

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    Mmmm duno but in my personal experience the moon is a very porwerful and useful being if one does align with her energies twice a month

    If one is ungrounded and does not conect with Earth, the Moon and the Sun yes I agree that one's energy field can be all over the place. At least that was my experience before I started doing some ancient rituals

    We are conditioned in this planet to favour the male energies (Sun) and ignore the female energies (Moon) that brings imbalance and destruction as most of humanity is not in touch with their feminine side

    Everything is affected by the rythms of the moon, even the success of business

    I am not talking from books here, just my own humble personal experience and observations

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    Quote Stardustaqarion: If one is ungrounded and does not conect with Earth, the Moon and the Sun yes I agree that one's energy field can be all over the place. At least that was my experience before I started doing some ancient rituals

    We are conditioned in this planet to favour the male energies (Sun) and ignore the female energies (Moon) that brings imbalance and destruction as most of humanity is not in touch with their feminine side
    I used to feel that the moon was my friend until I was exposed to direct muscle testing. That was when I realized on a personal level that its influence is malevolent. Here is how you can see for yourself:

    1) Stand straight and put your arm out to the side, horizontal to the ground.
    2) Have another person push down on your arm to measure your strength... that is your baseline. (Be sure neither of you are wearing any protective jewelry including any sacred geometry.)
    3) Now repeat the above with a picture of the moon, or standing under the moonlight if it is nighttime.

    You will be shocked at the difference in your strength under the influence of the moon!!!

    I learned about this when I was involved with theTemplate.org. I've seen over 200 people tested in this way and the results are always the same. Under the influence of the moon (even a photo or hand drawn representation) the electric circuits in your body become extremely weak. The moon has a very bad influence on our bodies, acting as a poison. By the way, theTemplate.org offers an effective alchemical ceremony which permanently corrects the influence on our bodies (thank goodness!!!)

    I agree, the moon effects everything from plant growth and germination, to hormone balance, the ocean tides, and business as well. I'd love to hear how you balance with it twice a month.

    And I am certain that the poisonous energy of the moon is NOT female, despite the rituals that claim it is. If the moon is female then that means that female energy is toxic to our bodies. I'm afraid that this myth is based on misinformation and in itself is our acceptance of a big lie that was passed on to us. It is likely that most moon worship rituals began in an attempt to offset the poisonous energy which comes from the moon.
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    Quote Posted by Dawn (here)
    Quote Stardustaqarion: If one is ungrounded and does not conect with Earth, the Moon and the Sun yes I agree that one's energy field can be all over the place. At least that was my experience before I started doing some ancient rituals

    We are conditioned in this planet to favour the male energies (Sun) and ignore the female energies (Moon) that brings imbalance and destruction as most of humanity is not in touch with their feminine side
    I used to feel that the moon was my friend until I was exposed to direct muscle testing. That was when I realized on a personal level that its influence is malevolent. Here is how you can see for yourself:

    1) Stand straight and put your arm out to the side, horizontal to the ground.
    2) Have another person push down on your arm to measure your strength... that is your baseline. (Be sure neither of you are wearing any protective jewelry including any sacred geometry.)
    3) Now repeat the above with a picture of the moon, or standing under the moonlight if it is nighttime.

    You will be shocked at the difference in your strength under the influence of the moon!!!

    I learned about this when I was involved with theTemplate.org. I've seen over 200 people tested in this way and the results are always the same. Under the influence of the moon (even a photo or hand drawn representation) the electric circuits in your body become extremely weak. The moon has a very bad influence on our bodies, acting as a poison. By the way, theTemplate.org offers an effective alchemical ceremony which permanently corrects the influence on our bodies (thank goodness!!!)

    I agree, the moon effects everything from plant growth and germination, to hormone balance, the ocean tides, and business as well. I'd love to hear how you balance with it twice a month.

    And I am certain that the poisonous energy of the moon is NOT female, despite the rituals that claim it is. If the moon is female then that means that female energy is toxic to our bodies. I'm afraid that this myth is based on misinformation and in itself is our acceptance of a big lie that was passed on to us. I believe that most moon rituals began in an attempt to offset the poisonous energy which is reflected from the moon's surface.
    Interesting observation there, Dawn. Here is a link with an interesting Moon cycle chart. http://montalk.net/indicators.php

    I think it was Gurjieff who wrote something called, "Food for the Moon" that was about negative implications of the Moon and its cycles.
    That link is here:http://montalk.net/moon/moon.zip
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    Hello,
    I'm not sure the definition encompases all the multi-dimensional types or even if the OP meant to narrow the scope by calling them 'parasitic'? Is there room for symbiotic types or even types without the need to take energy from outside themselves? I only mention because one type observed seems to radiate energy and few times felt as if some type of energy passed into my hand and arm. Also I know many of you support Trevor Constable's theory of plasmic entities. How do they fit in with the definition of 'parasitic?' Thanks...


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    Yes, it was Gurdjieff who wrote that. He was one of the early ones who spoke of the moon as being a tool of extra-terrestrial or ultra-density entities. OMG. Just tried the stress test and pic of the moon thing with Sirayah. It worked for both of us as well, pics of the moon made our arms weaker. DNA, thanks for sharing that tale about lowered-energy and doing 'bad' things and also the link to your friend who talks about mind-parasites.

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    Have any of people here considered to establish a direct relationship with Christ?
    Without mediators such as religions or sects or new age guru`s ...

    Without any attachment which is additional ,just direct straight forward conversation and relationship with Christ in order to be protected from those entities.
    Love, love - and see what happens

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    Have any of people here considered to establish a direct relationship with Christ?
    Without mediators such as religions or sects or new age guru`s ...

    Without any attachment which is additional ,just direct straight forward conversation and relationship with Christ in order to be protected from those entities.
    The Christ I learned about during a lifetime of Churchification and some years of exploring Gnosticism, the Apocryphal Christ and the New Age Cosmic Christ Consciousness actually incorporates all of those expressions: Mediators (Priests, Pastors, Reverends), Religions (Christianity), Sects (Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses) and New Age Gurus (too many to name).

    You believe in the power of Christ to eject these entities from within through the power of prayer and exhortation or an exorcism? We are generally speaking of traditions that are older than Christianity, although the msg of the Christ was an ancient one at its core.

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    Quote Posted by Rahkyt (here)
    Quote Posted by Beren (here)
    Have any of people here considered to establish a direct relationship with Christ?
    Without mediators such as religions or sects or new age guru`s ...

    Without any attachment which is additional ,just direct straight forward conversation and relationship with Christ in order to be protected from those entities.
    The Christ I learned about during a lifetime of Churchification and some years of exploring Gnosticism, the Apocryphal Christ and the New Age Cosmic Christ Consciousness actually incorporates all of those expressions: Mediators (Priests, Pastors, Reverends), Religions (Christianity), Sects (Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses) and New Age Gurus (too many to name).

    You believe in the power of Christ to eject these entities from within through the power of prayer and exhortation or an exorcism? We are generally speaking of traditions that are older than Christianity, although the msg of the Christ was an ancient one at its core.

    Nope, I am talking about knowing the real Christ.
    Leave religions behind and their rituals.

    Meaning that Christ protects you from those entities by elevating your conscience and thus making you see,empowering you .
    Thus empowered you would easily shake those entities off like you`d wash your hands.
    Love, love - and see what happens

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    Nope, I am talking about knowing the real Christ.
    Leave religions behind and their rituals.

    Meaning that Christ protects you from those entities by elevating your conscience and thus making you see,empowering you .
    Thus empowered you would easily shake those entities off like you`d wash your hands.
    Hi Beren,

    Christ (Christos in Greek) is actually ones 'Higher Self'. Christ is a prime example of human/god perfection. Jesus the Christ was leading people on the path to spiritual power (Christ), and greatness...

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    Nope, I am talking about knowing the real Christ.
    Leave religions behind and their rituals.

    Meaning that Christ protects you from those entities by elevating your conscience and thus making you see,empowering you .
    Thus empowered you would easily shake those entities off like you`d wash your hands.
    Hi Beren,

    Christ (Christos in Greek) is actually ones 'Higher Self'. Christ is a prime example of human/god perfection. Jesus the Christ was leading people on the path to spiritual power (Christ), and greatness...

    Much Love ~ Dan
    Hi Dan!

    Hence the question posed here... Did anyone established the real connection with Christ?

    Entities will not flee because of techniques or other stuff ,only if you raise above them and change in yourself toward THE power of Creator.
    Love, love - and see what happens

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    I learned about this when I was involved with theTemplate.org. I've seen over 200 people tested in this way and the results are always the same. Under the influence of the moon (even a photo or hand drawn representation) the electric circuits in your body become extremely weak. The moon has a very bad influence on our bodies, acting as a poison. By the way, theTemplate.org offers an effective alchemical ceremony which permanently corrects the influence on our bodies (thank goodness!!!)
    Very interesting stuff Dawn. This stuff has always been in the realm of speculation for me. It sounds like you have taken it a step further. Very interesting stuff.

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    Yes, it was Gurdjieff who wrote that. He was one of the early ones who spoke of the moon as being a tool of extra-terrestrial or ultra-density entities. OMG. Just tried the stress test and pic of the moon thing with Sirayah. It worked for both of us as well, pics of the moon made our arms weaker.
    I would love a synopsis of Gurdjieff if anyone is familiar with the work. I know nothing here.

    Ingo Swann states in his book "penetration" quite a bit about the moon. I would say half the book is dedicated in some way to the moon, and how Ingo feels information regarding it has been covered up for the better part of the 20th century.
    Ingo's primary thrust when it is all said and done is that the moon is a base for extraterrestrials, and that it is by far the best location for placement of a human mind control mechanism.
    Ingo states it is his belief that this is indeed done on the moon. I highly recomend the book, it used to be available as a free PDF, but alas, no more. Probably pretty easy to find via a Bit Torrent.




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    My information on this is that the moon was installed specifically to keep us controlled. Because we return to our full potential with relative ease, a permanent solution needed to be found to keep us controllable. The solution was the moon, and ancient Sumerian tablets specify that it was installed. According to these tabletsm it is the installation of the moon that brought death for the first time here on earth.

    Thus the words relating to the lunar cycle: Looney and lunatic. And of course, werewolves change on the full moon.

    It would appear that the installation of this controller causes women around the globe to ovulate and bleed monthly, even though they are not planning on creating new life. This causes them to loose precious life force in a forced cycle. It is also true that more murders and violent crimes occur on the full moons each year.
    All that you say here echoes the sentiments of Ingo Swann as well.

    I agree that the moon is a false satellite, a orbiting hallow craft of some sort.
    I again ask, do you think this may have any bearing on why it seems some folks live underground and have no inkling of ever coming up? I'm not into the hallow earth thing, but I am into huge caverns being in the earth and receiving further excavation to the point of easilly housing thousands of people. People of either human or reptilian race.
    Regardless of your slant, there seems to be folks living under the ground.
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    Hello,
    I'm not sure the definition encompases all the multi-dimensional types or even if the OP meant to narrow the scope by calling them 'parasitic'? Is there room for symbiotic types or even types without the need to take energy from outside themselves? I only mention because one type observed seems to radiate energy and few times felt as if some type of energy passed into my hand and arm. Also I know many of you support Trevor Constable's theory of plasmic entities. How do they fit in with the definition of 'parasitic?' Thanks...

    First let me welcome you to the fray Mojo. One must just jump on in here, all crazy theories are welcome.

    I can't believe what I'm seeing when I watch this video. I have never heard of Trevor Constable. Never.
    Nor have I ever heard of this "theory of plasmic entities", but holy freaking crap this is amazing stuff!!!!

    I would never tell you this stuff doesn't belong here my freind, indeed, it may very well belong here, that is the scary thing.
    We have been discussing Don Juan's mud shadows, or the "fliers" if you will, and Joamarks gave his input that these beings may be trapped here on earth and I suggested the Van Allan belts may contribute to this. But this thread hasn't been focusing on this phenomenon, the weird thing is, I started a thread a few days ago that is concentrating on this phenomenon.
    I really suggest you go there and read it,,,especially if this Don Juan stuff is new to you, because there is a link on the first entry that explains the correlation. SKY FISH OF NASA TETHER INCIDENT DON JUAN'S MUDSHADOWS?

    Also, might I suggest slapping this video there, and anymore thoughts you have on the subject after reading the article.
    Thanks Mojo
    Looking forward to your thoughts

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