Destroy your Higher Self or Source!

[Tony]

Because your Higher Self and Source is still your ego!

It is a cover story.

“I don't need a guide, I will go on my own sweet way...I'll go happily round in circles....and I'm going to take as many others as I can with me...let's go!...follow meeeee!”

That is precisely why you are here: you are lost!

Oh I forgot, you chose to come here .... to do what?

An idea has infiltrated this and other forums, to trust YOUR inner instincts, YOUR intuition, because that is YOUR higher self...rubbish!
How sure are you that YOUR intuitions and instincts originated from “you”?

This higher self is merely your ego, clinging to its self-identity still.
It is still all about ME!!!
Ideas are put out there, to make you feel it's going to be alright - you have arrived, so no more searching! You do not have to be aware of anything...just be ...just snooze ..zz...zzz....zzzz...zzzzzzzzz!

Do you honestly think it is that simple?
So you can hold your breath, stick your toe in your left ear and a chakra turns blue....so what?!
Did it free you from your clinging?...NO!

When learning anything, we follow the same process of going step by step.

Through a method, we start at the beginning and work through the stages.
Once we understand, we find confidence and real freedom,
so that when something is not working, we know how to put it right.

The method of meditation is the same.
To say one does not have to learn anything is a misdirection.
Yes, you are “that which you seek” - but there is a lot more to it than just those words.
You wouldn't say that to an enlightened being...unless you wanted to make them laugh!

We have to learn to unlearn.
To uncover the layers of self deception.
It is not that difficult, but our habitual patterning keeps getting in the way.
That is why it is wise to follow a system to undo the knots, and so find freedom.

Of course, the ego wants to do its own thing, and say, “I am already free!”
This is merely a conceptual freedom. We are still clinging to the concept of “I” am “something”.
It is the same old habit that keeps the noose around our necks.

Once you have a sound method, you will find total confidence.
Finding total confidence means there is nothing to ever be defended.
No one can ever pull the wool over your eyes again...or the noose around your neck!

If you react to this, ask - who is it that is reacting?

To uncover the truth you really do have to take yourself apart.
When you have realised Emptiness, then there is nothing more:

My dream-like form
Appeared to dream-like beings
To show them the dream-like path
Which leads to dream-like enlightenment.

Best wishes for the new year!!
Tony

[aranuk]

I reached emptiness years ago. Only my mind isn't happy about it.

Stan

[greybeard]

Very tongue in cheek Tony and true.
The word "resonate" springs to mind.
It terrifies me.
The number of people who regret saying x y and z resonated with me---- is infinite.
I dont trust "me" one little bit.
I am instantly wary if I feel good about something (resonates)
In simplicity--- I pray and whatever is needed (not necessarily what I want) comes through sycronicity.
Not directly through my actions.
No voices in the head, no feel good factor.
An example---
I was due to be made homeless--- a person I had not seen in many a year kept on bumping into me on a daily basis.
Different places different times.
He persuaded me to go back to AA --- I had been sober for over thirty years, most of it after AA attendance for five years.
I gave in and indirectly through that I moved from being 6035 on the housing list to getting one two days before the homeless date.

Im sure something brought that about--- but not "me"--- possibly SELF.

Regards to you Tony.

Chris

[greybeard]

Yes the enlightened laugh at our concepts.
An exert from a question and answer session.
Chris

From a question and answer session with Dr David Hawkins
Page 347 “I” Reality and Subjectivity.

“Q:One hears the statement that everyone is already enlightened : How is that to be understood?

A: It mean the Self is present and potentially discoverable as the basis of one's existence.
The statement is actually an impossibility because it incorrectly defines the understanding of enlightenment, and it also presents the fallacy of the hypothetical.
To be enlightened is to know the Truth, consequently, the statement that there is a knowingness of Truth in that which does not know the Truth is an incorrect statement
What could be said to be realistic about the statement is that ultimate Truth awaits within to be discovered.
If seen If seen for what it is , all languaging is a paradox because nothing can actually be said to be.

Revelation is revealed knowingness. It is understood without without words or concepts, such as meaning or significance which are merely abstractions.
Neither the Universe or anything in the Universe means anything
The mind is accustomed to obtaining getting deriving or discovering meaning or information
In the state of enlightenment all is self revealing of its essence as its existence.
Everything is already what it means.”

Chris thinks!!!!
the following.
There are many authors who talk about enlightenment but are not in that state.
Talking about is not it.

If one is serious about the path of enlightenment, the the teaching flowing through such a one is essential as the words carry the energy of enlightenment.

The obstacles are removed and the state naturally shines forth.

Namaste

[TraineeHuman]

In this Forum we pretty much only have words. Words are always shadows. Like in Plato’s story of The Cave.

Unfortunately, what this means is that one person may understand or play with a concept just as a concept, a word. A second person may realise the concept. That is much harder to do, and takes substantial work on oneself. It takes much overcoming of your self-deception. It takes watching yourself all the time like a hawk. It means writing the words with the very fabric of your life experience – with your sweat, your joy, and ultimately with your detachment, your inner feeling, your understanding. And even, ultimately, with your true happiness (by which I don’t mean any excitement, or any good mood or stimulation, and I do mean something which is its own opposite).

So, yes. Just the concept or the words that a person needs “to thine own self be true” and to deeply, truly “know thyself”, and so on, will lead a person astray, as you say, Tony. As will any other words. That’s providing the person doesn’t fully realise the meaning of such words.

But realisation is what spirituality is all about.

And it certainly is true that the lowest level of spiritual enlightenment occurs with the realisation that at your deepest and truest level you are the same as Source. I know, because I realised it in my adolescence, along with some of the higher levels of enlightenment. But I know from my experience of these that they all involve even deeper understanding of who you really are in your true nature, and direct seeing of what that really implies.

I don’t agree that everyone needs a method, Tony. If the reason for needing a method is to use something that’s “objective”, all I can say is that the “inter-subjective” is the source of all certainty and truth, and is in every way preferable to that which is objective.

Tony, you say that a method is necessary because it will give you “sound confidence”. I say it will only give you a crutch. Any such crutch will just be extra baggage, I’m afraid.

[Little Ishta]

Well you are entitled to your opinion Tony. You do raise some valid points in regard to Higher Self being your ego. But Higher Self could be your True Self with out Ego being involved. The path of enlightenment is different for everyone as everyone needs to follow their own path and find their True Self. The Truth is within each and every one of us. It is up to us to find it. That is the Waking process. The ascension is merely us trying to rise above our lower self. It is about caring, loving and wanting to be free of the greed and the selfishness.

[greybeard]

All belief systems identification must go.
I am a spiritual seeker--- I am a Christian--- I am a Buddhist.
Anything that has "I am" in front of it is miss-identification.

There isn't even a path because that gives the impression that I am the doer.

However the paradox is that, it seems that first you must seek enlightenment as a Divine inspired obsession then to learn that giving up the search may be the answer.
Wishing every-One the best of luck with their own way of finding the "One Truth."
(as I wish my very own self)
Ramesh said "God gave you an ego let Him remove it"
That "resonates" with me ----laughing hysterically,

Chris

[Sebastion]

My reply to your post is to simply say that the Lamp of Love can only be received by those who have fulfilled all the requirements of its reception.

[ViralSpiral]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

Oh I forgot, you chose to come here .... to do what?

Haven't a bloody clue Pie. Been deceiving myself for 50 years!
God can have my ego if he wants.




p.s. wave @ FredS

[Jenci]

So who is going to destroy this ego?

Jeanette

[Sebastion]

Tony, I was just wondering if you think that your initial incarnation on this planet was due to Buddhist teachings you received before you arrived or do you think that somewhere deep inside, you knew how to incarnate here that had nothing to do with that? If the latter is true, would it not mean that you already know within and you would never have to rely on what somebody outside of you has to say?

Have you ever considered that this "emptiness" you speak about is just the realm of the impersonal masculine/feminine mind of the One? Could there be more? Could it be that "emptiness" is a limitation in itself? At any rate, that is for you to decide. Have a good one!

[greybeard]

Posted by Jenci (here)
So who is going to destroy this ego?

Jeanette

Truth is that ego is a figment of the imagination.
A belief that, "I am my story"
Thought is extremely powerful.
Only the ever present eternal moment exists.
The ego needs past and future to survive.
Living in the NOW reduces the hold the illusory ego has over one greatly but only a very high spiritual energy can burn it off.
So some humility is required to ask for help.
The traditional way was to have an enlightened teacher of a proven linage.
I suspect the process has sped up greatly with new energy coming into the world.
Baically that is because the Totality wants that.
There are no accidents.

Chris.

[Little Ishta]

Posted by greybeard (here)

If one is serious about the path of enlightenment, the the teaching flowing through such a one is essential as the words carry the energy of enlightenment.

The obstacles are removed and the state naturally shines forth.

Namaste

Like the Light that is within All of Us?

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Ramesh said "God gave you an ego let Him remove it"
That "resonates" with me ----laughing hysterically,

Chris

And who is Him? YOU, when one realizes that...
Laughing.., but "not hysterically".

Namaste ~ Dan

[Eagle]

To me ego is what blinds us with self presurvation from the mind and justifies everything, feeling from the heart(not mind emotion) frees us from the chains we have bound ourselves in and allows us to fly with the "Eagles"

[Jenci]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Very tongue in cheek Tony and true.
The word "resonate" springs to mind.
It terrifies me.
The number of people who regret saying x y and z resonated with me---- is infinite.
I dont trust "me" one little bit.
I am instantly wary if I feel good about something (resonates)
In simplicity--- I pray and whatever is needed (not necessarily what I want) comes through sycronicity.
Not directly through my actions.
No voices in the head, no feel good factor.
An example---
I was due to be made homeless--- a person I had not seen in many a year kept on bumping into me on a daily basis.
Different places different times.
He persuaded me to go back to AA --- I had been sober for over thirty years, most of it after AA attendance for five years.
I gave in and indirectly through that I moved from being 6035 on the housing list to getting one two days before the homeless date.

Im sure something brought that about--- but not "me"--- possibly SELF.

Regards to you Tony.

Chris

Oh dear, Chris, I use resonate a lot, lol.
I used to use "identify", a common word in AA. Actually when I am in AA, I still use it a lot for the purpose of unity although it makes me laugh to say it

I went through a stage of picking and choosing my words. Can't use this now, can't use that now and it was very restrictive.......until I saw only my ego had a problem with the words.

I use any words now. They just happen spontaneously and there is no more choosing of them.

All the words we use are inadequate to talk about this as they can only point to it. . Awareness, consciousness, God, source, absolute, Self, Life, etc.
I heard Adyashanti talk the other day and he said call it "Coca-cola" if you want, it doesn't matter.
I like that.

Eventually the words are no longer relevant and when they are no longer relevant, we realise all language is here for us to express ourselves in infinite ways.

Thanks for sharing about being made homeless and that man being put in your path every day.

It reminds me of what Mother Teresa said when asked what she thought of seeing the homeless, disabled and shunned on the streets every day and she said that she all she saw was "Jesus Christ in all of his distressing disguises".

Life gives us all the gifts we need right now.
It just may not have the wrapping paper on it that we want.

Jeanette

[Kristin]

LOL, oh man... P... you are something else. Throwing out the mind with the bathwater is a waste. I try to balance my heart with my mind. I used to end my posts with "Peace of Mind" now I end with "From the Heart". I've been considering, "From the Heart of the Mind". I can't just be all love and light, no action. I can't just be all mind, no heart. Balance balance balance. Truth is I'm here on this planet NOW. That's the fact, so I need to live in reality as ugly as it is. I can't effect change without truth as my guide or my effects are just statements and have no basis in reality. Ego... well what is ego... is the ego you speak of the thing that makes a person "full of themselves and better then another"? Then yes, later Ego. No one is more important than another. We are all special and all relevant. But ego (and I use the small "e") is also the thing that doesn't put up with BS, asks questions when something isn't right. Will stand up for one's self if there is danger, will help to preserve the body by saying, "I matter, I'm not going to take this, I need to survive." So again, balance. Depends on your definition of "Ego,ego" and it's function. Two sides of the same coin? Maybe. If so, important to control but needed to survive.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[greybeard]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Ramesh said "God gave you an ego let Him remove it"
That "resonates" with me ----laughing hysterically,

Chris

And who is Him? YOU, when one realizes that...
Laughing.., but "not hysterically".

Namaste ~ Dan

Its all levels Dan so of course you are right.
Ultimately there is only God.
All prayers are therefore to Self.

Good to see your mother board up and running once again Dan--- you were greatly missed.
Best wishes
Chris

[greybeard]

Posted by Little Ishta (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)

If one is serious about the path of enlightenment, the the teaching flowing through such a one is essential as the words carry the energy of enlightenment.

The obstacles are removed and the state naturally shines forth.

Namaste

Like the Light that is within All of Us?

Im afraid the light does not shine within all but the potential is there,
When enlightened state occurs and sometimes before, then the light has been ignited.
Traditional teaching says it is by the grace of God that the soul is illumined.---- God realization, Self Realization, call it what you will.
Quite literalily in meditation the light can shine within.
Yogananda said it was brighter than a million suns.

I feel it is an error to dismiss the traditional path out of hand.
Eckhart Tolle said "I dont want to give the impression that you can sit watching TV with a can of beer and the state will occur."
If that was the case a large percentage of the population would be enlightened--- it is still a relativly rare occurence but as said it sems to be speeing up and happening to greater numbers.
There are also various levels of enlightenment --- they are all complete though.
Enlightenment could be seen as kindergarten from a higher perspective.
There are many paradoxes

In my language and understanding---- on enlightenment its true to say that you are the totality all of it but!!!!! you are not at the same energy level (voltage) as the ONE.
Not saying im right but that is my unenlightened understanding of the moment.

Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Its all levels Dan so of course you are right.
Ultimately there is only God.
All prayers are therefore to Self.

Good to see your mother board up and running once again Dan--- you were greatly missed.
Best wishes
Chris

Namaste Chris,

This is not about being 'right or wrong', only the ego sees that. However, we need to understand that the level of human consciousness is not the same as it was even a few years ago. Teachers like Ramesh and others, were more relevant back then due to the level of awareness (consciousness evolution) of that time's period. In the current times however, one will have to find the inner (true) direct teacher within its heart. No more proxies...

Everything is actually only one thing at the most basic level. We become aware of this when the illusion of separation disappears. The deeper our understanding of this, the better we are at alleviating our suffering. All suffering ends when we find truth at its source. To find truth at its source, we must first find out who we are at the deepest level. To find out who we are at the deepest level, we must have balance.

To have balance, we must let go of all unwanted feelings or attachments, even if we do not see them as being connected to us. If we are able to do this, even for only a few moments each day, we will begin to understand that any unwanted feelings or attachments that arise can be disarmed and removed from our daily lives. The relief from this basic routine alone is proof that a great inner power and energy is within each one of us, waiting to be discovered.

Much Love ~ Dan