2012: What may be in store:

[Mike]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by mojo (here)
It's nice to approach the subject without being fear based, but from preparatory standpoint. It makes sense to prepare an emergency pack and have a plan ready...

Yes, it does.

Bill, along with Inelia you were recently advocating personal time-line manipulation as a way to prepare for oncoming global issues, and you seemed to not so much disregard but maybe not put too much stock in preparing practically for what's potentially to come in 2012. (or whenever)

do you still feel the same about altering one's personal time-line as a ways to keep safe during what seems to be a precarious transitional period here on earth? or have you changed your mind towards a more pragmatic approach? or perhaps you advocate both? or have i completely and utterly misunderstood you?

[Mike Gorman]

I suspect we had no real choice, it has taken a long-time to reach this point, I had a 'moment' last night looking at the stars (how quaint eh?)
and experienced a realization of the vastness of oceans of time-this freely available 'Mandala' of the Heavens is the best of them all;
it occurred to me that we have all been in this game a long-long time-: there is a point emerging when it will all reveal and fall into place.
Difficult to precisely articulate, but we are conscious at a critical point in the game plan.

[Taurean]

Winning the hearts and minds of the enforcers would be a good place to start.

Speaking of revolutionary thinking, today, April 25th is also the anniversary of Portugal’s 1974 Carnation Revolution, which took place five years before the Iranian Revolution in 1979. The Carnation Revolution was a single day culmination of a long struggle, but was notable in that in its last stages the revolutionary soldiers and people did not use direct violence, but came together peacefully to overthrow and transform the Portuguese government from a dictatorship to a relatively successful democracy. It has been said that “the population, holding red carnations, convinced the regime soldiers not to resist. The soldiers readily swapped their bullets for flowers.”

[music]

This is news to no-one here. Many here also hold the answer in their hearts. That answer is do not give in to fear. Act as you can to subvert the plans of the "elite", but remain always in Love. It is the momentum of Love which will finally be the undoing of the "elite", not an ill-organised and poorly armed citizen uprising. Violence is a fear-based reaction, and as such, can only perpetuate the old paradigm, regardless of outcome.

[Ol' Roy]

Sorry Bill.

You have all given us an emergency message. You moved lock and barrel to Ecuador. That is fitting enough for you. As one person, who has no family ties. What about the rest of us? I am committed and will hold on here in Central Kentucky, USA. I do have an evacuation plan to the mountains if need be.

[jcocks]

Personally, I don't see any use in running - as tptb have the capability to find you no matter where you are if they wish. Besides, we're of most use when we're in the thick of it, amongst our fellow man. You're of no use to anyone but yourself if you hide yourself away in the middle of no-where. Likewise, it's all good to prepare with supplies, but better if you can do that as part of a community, together. No point in hoarding for yourself. If things get nasty, there's strength in numbers.

My only real preparation is spiritual. In the end, that's all that matters, and I don't want to survive in a mad-max-style world. If we end up there, we've already lost in the short run and it will be a long hard slog to even get back where we are now.

[Bollinger]

I think broadly speaking this community (and I suspect most communities) fall into one of two factions but this isn’t by any means a static state of affairs. One day you may find yourself on one side but the next, something happens that makes you defect. The degree of conviction (whichever side we’re on) is also somewhat fluid and changes sometimes as frequently as every day or even every hour.

So what are these factions? They are the optimists and the pessimists. The plain and simple fact is that none of us actually know with any kind of certainty what is going to happen: whether it is in 2012 or any other year. We know current affairs will inevitably move on and new ones will appear but what they are, how serious they will be and how many lives they will affect is simply not predictable.

So in light of this darkness, we have to approach the future with a certain mindset. Much of it is based on our beliefs and convictions because, let’s face it, stonewall facts are often hard to come by and owing to the huge redundancy of information, we might very well discard the truth even if we came across it by accident or otherwise.

This idea of “preparation” amuses me though. If you don’t know what is coming, what will you prepare for and to what extent? If preparing means moving to some distant land, this is completely out of reach for most people; especially those who live in large cities and merely survive from pay cheque to pay cheque. If some worldwide calamity were to befall us, leaving a tiny population to fend for itself, would you really want to be among them? If so, go for it.

Logically speaking then, those who want to “prepare”, automatically fall into the pessimist side because they think something very bad is going to happen and as others have pointed out, they must, by definition, live in fear. Not good. The optimists are the ones who believe strongly that there is a helping or guiding force (whatever form or shape this takes – whether it is a God, the higher self or some celestial race that watches over our feeble and hapless lives) that will intervene to prevent a worldwide calamity and perhaps even propel us, en masse, towards a much brighter future.

By now, you will have realised that the biggest problem is that we don’t actually know. However abundant truth happens to be, it is always overwhelmed by a much larger amount of misinformation that conceals and drowns it. So, left with this, we have no choice but to go inside and ask our own consciousness. What do you feel? Needless to say, none of us feel “good” about the current status quo. And then we take the next step and ask ourselves: what do you want to happen? This is how the “creation of your own reality” idea is born. Maybe, simply by desiring it, wishing it, being grateful for it, imagining it has already happened, we can bring it into reality. It really is a nice idea and I wish there was something concrete to support it but alas, that appears not to be the case.

Then of course we have those who keep telling us about “unconditional love”. Do you want to know something; I cringe when I hear that phrase to the point of despair. A child gets his legs blown off because he’s wandered into a military mine or loses all members of her family because of a cluster bomb. That is the world we are dealing with. Unconditional love is just an ideal that lives in our minds because if it dares to venture out it knows it will be cut to shreds and fed to the dogs in seconds.

For all the things we don’t know there are many things that we do know. We know the world is unfair, unjust, and full of needless suffering caused by mindless animals who think nothing of seeing millions go hungry so they can hang another Remrandt in their drawing rooms. We know with absolute certainty the vulgar and vile acts that are committed daily behind closed doors against the innocent and the weak. We know about the false flags and the self-serving murderous psychopaths parading around as our leaders. How does any leader, with an ounce of conscience, live with himself knowing the extent of suffering that is going on around him while he entertains dignitaries in lavish banquets? There is a reason why they drive around in motorcades and bullet-proof cars.

Yes, there is plenty that we know is wrong and most of our pain stems from not being able to put it right. Feeling helpless against the tide of what can only be termed as pure evil is one of the hardest states in which to be. I don’t know how we can put it right. Maybe it really has to be a complete restart from the beginning. Maybe some helping hand will reach out and cleanse our earth of these wicked parasitic entities disguised as humans. Maybe there is going to be “ascension” or “separation” and the evil will not be able to manipulate and exploit the good because they will no longer have access to them.

Whatever the outcome, whether it happens in 2012, 2013, 2020 or way after we’re all dead and gone, if we’re left with nothing but just unsubstantiated belief, may that belief be a positive one, for whatever it’s worth.

[Humble Janitor]

When I was watching Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura the other day, I made sure to point out to family members that their generation cannot hide things anymore and that folks like myself and younger folks will eventually find that truth.

Regarding TPTW: "They" can run but "They" cannot hide. They might fight like a badger nudged up in a corner but ultimately, they'll have to relinquish control of this planet to the people.

Why do I have John Lennon's "Power to the People" playing over and over in my head? It gets me through my day and gives me the hope I want.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi All

We in point of fact haven't a leg to stand on, we left it too late, and whatever the preparation that a nonsense, they have up to now won on every level, they basically control all, some of you very arrogantly kept saying bring it on, let it crash, for you people that have awaken to what has been happening for over a 100 year or so, your expectation will come to be, but for the billions of people who have no knowledge or understanding of this, is deadly beyond comprehension.

There is nothing left for us to correct now, its to late, the masses will go with the direction of whatever they had planned for humanity.

OUR ONLY SOLUTION TO THIS IS TO GET ALL THE WORLD ARMY, POLICE, AND COMMON LAW JUDICIALs TO TURN AROUND AND SUPPORT THE PEOPLE, that should be our only quest at this moment, without their support, they tptb for a change will have no legs to stand on.

roman

[joedjemal]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
2012: We must stay especially alert, understanding things the way they really are and not the way the global TV Masters want us to believe they are. Thats The Key!


Things are looking up for 2012 Ehh. I cant wait.

F reedom
E nlightenment
A scension
R inse and Repeat

I would have made that last r = reason or rationality. Spirituality doesn't require giving up that, in fact from my own experience it's crucial.

Their one world government can't work, they have no believable replacements for money with interest and that is fatally flawed because it forces exponential growth. I've heard that the chinese characters for crisis are danger and opportunity. This pursuit of global power is coming from the delusional world view of psychopaths, it is their main weakness. What is coming this year makes me think that rule by an elite will become unthinkable to the people that survive it. They are about to lose any vestige of credibility let alone impose an even greater form of domination.

Systems tend to be emergent. Something will eventually emerge that works and I doubt that it will involve rule by the delusional.

[Bollinger]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
Hi All

We in point of fact haven't a leg to stand on, we left it too late, and whatever the preparation that a nonsense, they have up to now won on every level, they basically control all, some of you very arrogantly kept saying bring it on, let it crash, for you people that have awaken to what has been happening for over a 100 year or so, your expectation will come to be, but for the billions of people who have no knowledge or understanding of this, is deadly beyond comprehension.

There is nothing left for us to correct now, its to late, the masses will go with the direction of whatever they had planned for humanity.

OUR ONLY SOLUTION TO THIS IS TO GET ALL THE WORLD ARMY, POLICE, AND COMMON LAW JUDICIALs TO TURN AROUND AND SUPPORT THE PEOPLE, that should be our only quest at this moment, without their support, they tptb for a change will have no legs to stand on.

roman

Well, that is one way. But given that those particular areas are, for all intents and purposes, fully sponsored and controlled by the very same people we are trying to oust, it doesn't bode well for any of us. I am, however, loathed to assume a disposition of complete loss and despair.

Granted there is no substantiating fact or entity that I can readily point to for comfort and why I think it is somewhat premature to raise the white flag just yet, I've always turned to the old adage that if you give someone a rope long enough, they will eventually hang themselves with it.

Given history has demonstrated on numerous occasions that tyrants nearly always fall because of their own over-grown ego and self-delusion, there is no reason to assume it won’t happen again; hopefully once and for good this time.

For no reason at all, I choose to hold an optimistic point of view when it comes to the future of humanity.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Lets not forget that we are all creating our reality with thought projection and taking the consciousness where we want to go...

Please do not use the power that we all have to create negative scenarios with some outcomes that the PTW would embrace...

Embrace your own vision and take it to higher planes of activity toward the betterment of humanity...hold the vision in your mind and it will be.

Once the galactics are here, humanty will rise to unimaginable consciousness ... the doors will be opened...yes we stiill have some obstacles to take care of, but the end vision is what we are all here to create. The Golden Age.

viking

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by Bollinger (here)

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
Hi All

We in point of fact haven't a leg to stand on, we left it too late, and whatever the preparation that a nonsense, they have up to now won on every level, they basically control all, some of you very arrogantly kept saying bring it on, let it crash, for you people that have awaken to what has been happening for over a 100 year or so, your expectation will come to be, but for the billions of people who have no knowledge or understanding of this, is deadly beyond comprehension.

There is nothing left for us to correct now, its to late, the masses will go with the direction of whatever they had planned for humanity.

OUR ONLY SOLUTION TO THIS IS TO GET ALL THE WORLD ARMY, POLICE, AND COMMON LAW JUDICIALs TO TURN AROUND AND SUPPORT THE PEOPLE, that should be our only quest at this moment, without their support, they tptb for a change will have no legs to stand on.

roman

Well, that is one way. But given that those particular areas are, for all intents and purposes, fully sponsored and controlled by the very same people we are trying to oust, it doesn't bode well for any of us. I am, however, loathed to assume a disposition of complete loss and despair.

Granted there is no substantiating fact or entity that I can readily point to for comfort and why I think it is somewhat premature to raise the white flag just yet, I've always turned to the old adage that if you give someone a rope long enough, they will eventually hang themselves with it.

Given history has demonstrated on numerous occasions that tyrants nearly always fall because of their own over-grown ego and self-delusion, there is no reason to assume it won’t happen again; hopefully once and for good this time.

For no reason at all, I choose to hold an optimistic point of view when it comes to the future of humanity.

Hi Bollinger

I have as a lot of other people thought hard about a solution not for myself personally but for humanity, I did not see a white flag in what I had written, nor am I promoting despair, If i personally had food, and shelter from the coming events, do you think I will hide it from the starving people, or start shooting people to survive?? and all that nonsense, how long will you survive against the masses, what kind of solution is that at what they plan for us. We have to think on en masse for humanity against this plan of tptb for all. do you think that if you and a group of people hidden yourselves, that after a while they will exterminate anybody that is not participating in the new order, this is fascism all over again, think hard, do you think you will be allowed to be independent from them???? we need to really wake up and enough of the BS, and see and do something that will change thing for the whole of humanity, that again means removing the military support to the powers, and have a people policing to keep order for the people,and not against them, and a common law balance for all, got any better ideas for the whole not for ourselves only. that I still say is our only option, and we all should find ways of how to pull this off fast, target the army, police, judicial?????????now.

roman

[Wind]

Indeed the only "preparation" is spiritual. When you are not afraid of death, there will be no need to be "prepared". You just know that all of the things will unfold when the time is right, and there is not much you can do about it. If you want to survive something, it is actually your ego that wants to survive. Not your higher self, because it knows deep inside what will occur. Just accept what will happen and go with the flow. You cannot swim upstream (or you can, but it's damn hard and pointless most of the time).

And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that just lay down and die. What I mean is that don't let the fear consume you. Because it will, if you let it. When you are balanced spiritually, acceptation is the only way and you know it deep inside you. All that I can advise anyone to do, is to meditate, meditate and meditate some more.

[ROMANWKT]

Make no mistake about me, I am 62, and I don't give a dam what they do to me nor does my family, look outside yourselves for a solution, but for each personally the solution is within. If any of you don't care about the whole, then there is no problem to take care of here in this realm.

roman

[777]

Posted by jcocks (here)

My only real preparation is spiritual. In the end, that's all that matters, and I don't want to survive in a mad-max-style world. If we end up there, we've already lost in the short run and it will be a long hard slog to even get back where we are now.

Agreed. I'm quite surprised by this thread Bill as it doesn't really include anything new to assist in preparation it merely perpetuates and facilitates the unfolding inevitability. I know it's not anyone's responsibility to help others prepare, but an advert for the certain (when it absolutely isn't.......) is counterproductive imo, especially on a site where all this has already been said and is (for the most part) common knowledge here. I can only think that the purpose of this thread is a sort of "catch up" for those who are new to this or lagging? Before I get jumped on for daring to question the motive, please understand the question poses from a perspective of genuine confusion as to why this has been posted, not to break rank as it were.......

[Bollinger]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)

Posted by Bollinger (here)

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
Hi All

We in point of fact haven't a leg to stand on, we left it too late, and whatever the preparation that a nonsense, they have up to now won on every level, they basically control all, some of you very arrogantly kept saying bring it on, let it crash, for you people that have awaken to what has been happening for over a 100 year or so, your expectation will come to be, but for the billions of people who have no knowledge or understanding of this, is deadly beyond comprehension.

There is nothing left for us to correct now, its to late, the masses will go with the direction of whatever they had planned for humanity.

OUR ONLY SOLUTION TO THIS IS TO GET ALL THE WORLD ARMY, POLICE, AND COMMON LAW JUDICIALs TO TURN AROUND AND SUPPORT THE PEOPLE, that should be our only quest at this moment, without their support, they tptb for a change will have no legs to stand on.

roman

Well, that is one way. But given that those particular areas are, for all intents and purposes, fully sponsored and controlled by the very same people we are trying to oust, it doesn't bode well for any of us. I am, however, loathed to assume a disposition of complete loss and despair.

Granted there is no substantiating fact or entity that I can readily point to for comfort and why I think it is somewhat premature to raise the white flag just yet, I've always turned to the old adage that if you give someone a rope long enough, they will eventually hang themselves with it.

Given history has demonstrated on numerous occasions that tyrants nearly always fall because of their own over-grown ego and self-delusion, there is no reason to assume it won’t happen again; hopefully once and for good this time.

For no reason at all, I choose to hold an optimistic point of view when it comes to the future of humanity.

Hi Bollinger

I have as a lot of other people thought hard about a solution not for myself personally but for humanity, I did not see a white flag in what I had written, nor am I promoting despair, If i personally had food, and shelter from the coming events, do you think I will hide it from the starving people, or start shooting people to survive?? and all that nonsense, how long will you survive against the masses, what kind of solution is that at what they plan for us. We have to think on en masse for humanity against this plan of tptb for all. do you think that if you and a group of people hidden yourselves, that after a while they will exterminate anybody that is not participating in the new order, this is fascism all over again, think hard, do you think you will be allowed to be independent from them???? we need to really wake up and enough of the BS, and see and do something that will change thing for the whole of humanity, that again means removing the military support to the powers, and have a people policing to keep order for the people,and not against them, and a common law balance for all, got any better ideas for the whole not for ourselves only. that I still say is our only option, and we all should find ways of how to pull this off fast, target the army, police, judicial?????????now.

roman

Hi Roman,

My refrence to the white flag wasn't so much to do with trying to survive after a worldwide breakdown but more to do with hoping it won't happen in the first place with or without any effort on our part to stop it. Like you, I think trying to survive after such an event would be futile and to be perfectly honest I myself wouldn't even entertain it. But we've lasted this long so perhaps (as so brilliantly expressed in Thomas Hardy's poem The Darkling Thrush) there is hope and we're simply not aware.

Bollinger

[Bollinger]

Posted by viking (here)
Lets not forget that we are all creating our reality with thought projection and taking the consciousness where we want to go...

Please do not use the power that we all have to create negative scenarios with some outcomes that the PTW would embrace...

Embrace your own vision and take it to higher planes of activity toward the betterment of humanity...hold the vision in your mind and it will be.

Once the galactics are here, humanty will rise to unimaginable consciousness ... the doors will be opened...yes we stiill have some obstacles to take care of, but the end vision is what we are all here to create. The Golden Age.

viking

Hi Viking,

I’m not much of a fan of the opening statement (creating our own reality) because to me it is full of too many holes which can’t be reconciled.

However, I fully agree that trying to defeat murder and mayhem with more murder and mayhem never was, is or will be the solution to anything.

As for the Galactics, one can only hope. If they are real and if they are benevolent, (two very very big ifs), we may wallow in a little indulgence about being rescued. I know a lot of people put a great deal of faith in this idea and while (like many claims of religion and other belief systems) it can neither be proved nor disproved, it does no harm to harbour a future that is bright as opposed to one that is bleak.

Thank you for your input.

Bollinger

[BestLion]

Thats is pretty darn depressing . I hope all that doesn't come to pass..YIKES!
About the UFO-Alien and governments acknowledging this. i have heard all the NASA- Space stations etc is controlled by the Vatican..And why would they say Aliens are real then? It would more less destroy Christians-Judism-Islam at its core if they disclose this info..And we know that religion is the most powerful method TPTB have to use in their arsenal of control. i think this is the main reason why they never disclosed aliens in the first place it would destroy the entire world religions in one blow..Same with disclosing ancient culture like Atlantis as truth!

[Anchor]

I dont know what is in store.

Somethings on that list may happen.

I hope I can remain in the fearless state I am now in

I've been talking about Earth changes and the side-effects on us of the Earths energetic changes since I comprehended the gist of what was going down in 2005 or so.

So much has happened. So many peopled dead, or homeless and hungry... Even though TPTB (/W!) want to prosecute their plan I plan on doing my part to ameliorate the effects of their VANDALISM.

I don't know what is going to happen, but I expect that those with the right hearts and minds will float through the challenges like a leaf blown on the breeze.

{ Or a plastic bag on its way to the group of plastic bags in the middle of the ocean (sorry surreal moment, decided not to edit) }

I don't know what is going to happen but I know what I want, and I reckon I know how to go about getting it.

2012 is yet another series of steps to the future that I am proceeding towards. It will be like all the best and most successful holidays rolled into one.

Remember that fleeting moment when you stood in awe of some natural wonder?

The moments of most harmonious shared pleasure with a partner?

All those things rolled into one, and stretched out eternally.

The future I move toward, step by step, is that of excitement, joy and fun, it is love, care and happiness, it is shared, and it is one and all.

It will be here for us on this planet.

This is seriously what I want - and that is why I have a Vision of what I want and I use it to envision and to make it so.

--

I live on a world where each person takes responsibility for each thought, action, word and deed.

I live on a world where each person lives in harmony with themselves, and in harmony with each of their other-selves and where each person lives in harmony with nature, the planet and all of her creatures and kingdoms, and ultimately in harmony with all levels of the entire manifest universe.

I live on a world that is free from tyranny, where each of the want-to-be tyrants and troublemakers have left never to return.

I live on a world that has been restored to its pristine vitality, purified on the land, purified in the air and purified in the sea.

For the highest and best good of all, make it so.

--

And that, my friends, is what I think we have in store in 2012 - some harsh changes, but this is the road we are ultimately on - well at least all those on my "timeline" - (chuckle)

Enjoy! Fear not!

Radiate the love, and radiate the light!

BRING IT ON!