Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[Star Tsar]

Excellent read Ishtar!

[Ria]

post 23 ? lost

[Deega]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Hi Unified Serenity

By the way, the shaman doesn't go to the astral plains which tends to be inhabited by fairly lower level practitioners of the arts.

The shamans cosmology is the Lower World, the Middle World and the Upper World, and so long as he is always guided by either his power animal or guide in human form, he will be completely safe.

Thanks Ishtar, great contribution you're doing here, interesting!

I wonder if you ever had a chance to read Anton Park books? I would highly suggest them, it would add-on to your great knowledge you brought in this tread.

Anton thinks that shamans work with the underworld, I'm not sure if it means astral though. I have had limited experience with a shaman, and I was in the realm of angels, spirits.

Anton believe that beings from distant STARS SYSTEMS came to Earth with flying machines, and they were the creator of human beings.

Very short bio - Anton Park was at 14, an unvoluntary child receiving coded message from the light. He didn't knew what to make of it, didn't asked for it, his mother and family were supportive and with time, getting access to the Sumerian Tablets, he decoded through the years the language on these Tablets and this is how he came about with his books.

Anton says that Stitchin didn't produced the references (when asked) he uses in his allegations to Nibiru.

All the best to you.

Deega

[BestLion]

In all this lets not forget that Sumerian culture is NOT an old culture. The findings in South Africa the 'Adams Calendar' dates to 75,000 BC. Thule dates to 22,000 BC, Atlantis destroyed around 9,400-10,200 BC time.
I have been on the opinion myself that if Annunaki gods were here they were more present around the older times, then the newer..Why? Because from 6,000 BC- Jesus time..no real technological advancements were made..When Jesus was born it was still the bronze age. If the Intelligent Annuniki were here guiding man during Sumeria 6000-2000 BC then they would have advanced far beyond the crude bronze age.
I am of the opinion that the Sumerians were merely stating myths and legends past down to them from the lost civilizations before them.

[Ishtar]

Posted by blufire (here)
If I may ask Ishtar how long have you felt you have been a shaman and how long have you taken these journeys? Also who is your teacher or experienced shaman guide?

You also mentioned in another post about many others taking or achieving these shamanic journeys . . .are you suggesting that becoming a shaman is something a “regular” person can achieve?

Blufire, it will take the thread off-topic to start talking about myself.

That there are shamans is not in doubt and that our earliest ancestors had a shamanic mindset is also clear from archaeologists and anthropologists who research the subject and there are discussions going into great depth about that on my forum, Ishtar's Gate. That is the subject of this thread. I have started also a thread on here called What Is A Shaman and What Does A Shaman Do? and I hope you find that helpful.

[Unified Serenity]

Bestlion, from your studies and experience do you believe there is anything to the idea that it is odd that it appeared the civilization appeared in Sumeria almost overnight with a complete governmental system unlike any previously known? How did that spring up if that is the case? Do you think we just lost the earlier links to that civilization?

Posted by BestLion (here)
In all this lets not forget that Sumerian culture is NOT an old culture. The findings in South Africa the 'Adams Calendar' dates to 75,000 BC. Thule dates to 22,000 BC, Atlantis destroyed around 9,400-10,200 BC time.
I have been on the opinion myself that if Annunaki gods were here they were more present around the older times, then the newer..Why? Because from 6,000 BC- Jesus time..no real technological advancements were made..When Jesus was born it was still the bronze age. If the Intelligent Annuniki were here guiding man during Sumeria 6000-2000 BC then they would have advanced far beyond the crude bronze age.
I am of the opinion that the Sumerians were merely stating myths and legends past down to them from the lost civilizations before them.

[BestLion]

Bestlion, from your studies and experience do you believe there is anything to the idea that it is odd that it appeared the civilization appeared in Sumeria almost overnight with a complete governmental system unlike any previously known? How did that spring up if that is the case? Do you think we just lost the earlier links to that civilization?

it is a mystery. i have a few theories. One of which is before the great catastrophe that hit the earth around 9,400 BC, The civilization had numerous ETs and from what i have studied they were tall Aryan types..many with elongated heads, with a large brain capacity. Thus they are not human, but some type of ET. My one theory is before the event around 9,400 BC lived many higher beings on this planet...then after most were destroyed but only a few..these would become the bloodline of the rulers and cultural bringers. Thus how Sumeria popped up overnight..and not only Sumeria but it is well documented that the Mayans, Incas and Aztec cultures also popped up overnight by these red bearded people who came from the sea.
Also one thing I find..is in many paintings we see these rulers as having long elongated heads..And even the pharaohs of Egypt have this 'the bloodline' think King Tutankhamen . Also many of these same type head-skulls were found in South America, Mexico etc..near all over the world..Thus my theory a few of these gods survived and created a bloodline and became the rulers of the ancient worlds. Thats one of my theories.

[Words of Joy]

Ishtar, I'm curious about your take on the way human species(homo sapiens) evolved(if so...?). Would you like to elaborate on that?

[777]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

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Posted by Ria (here)
IYou have applied down to earth facts, I was wondering about what you thought about the tenth planet as it some times referred to, having been depicted in the Sumerian reliefs?

Could you show me where in the Sumerian texts there is reference to a 10th planet?

Nibiru is very much an Earthly city, and is never described as otherwise. Sitchin lied about this, and people have been making it all up ever since.

Also ET means extra-terrestrial or extra to terra, which is Latin for Earth. But the spirits are not from outside Earth or from another galaxy extra to Earth. They are here, and always have been, with us on Earth but in another dimension which is timeless. So it would be more correct to refer to them as extra-dimensionals or EDs.

Again, firmly agree with this. I would also venture these ED's are extensions of our own personal Soul collectives which I percieve to be massive. Timeless as you say, every dimension happening simultaneously, with every shard of Soul personification supporting and dipping into the 3d when required. We seem to be singing from at least the same hymn book. Not that this matters! Just an observation.

Yes. I would go further... and I don't know if you can follow me this far.

We have been trained to look for gods and God coming from the skies because we've had our birthright stolen from us. We need to stop looking to the skies for our saviours and look to ourselves because we ARE the gods we've been looking for. And that's what "they" don't want us to know, because when we know that and start acting from that place, their game will be well and truly up.

That's the ultimate teaching of the spirits and they long for the day that we realise it.

Apart from the half sentence in bold I firmly agree, you are possibly right (and better understanding) on this part too, but that's not for me to confirm. Everything else you've put I hold as true for me. Interesting the metaphor of looking to the skies for our saviours (which has always been hammered into us, even today in the new age), but we do need to look higher (for the lighter) frequency to confirm the crude results of that which is below (3d) and henceforth be cognitive of why its' happening at all.

We will realise it! Whoohoo :-)

[777]

Posted by Slobbe (here)
Ishtar, I'm curious about your take on the way human species(homo sapiens) evolved(if so...?). Would you like to elaborate on that?

If I might interject. We have only evolved if we're experiencing linear time. Much as we have to in human form does not mean that linear time is absolute indefinately and that a lack thereof can't be experienced.

[Ishtar]

Guys, fascinating as your questions are about what do I think about this and what do I think about the other, and flattering though it is to be asked, I think we'd better stick to the topic which is Sitchin, Anunnakki and Nibiru.

I think it was Ria who mentioned a few posts back that she'd like to know more about Nibiru and what it actually was, from the Sumerian texts. as I've said that I believe it was a city and certainly not a planet anyway.

If you want to know anything about anything from the Sumerian texts, tte best place to go is ETCSL (The Electronic Text Corpus of Sumerian Literature) which has translations of all the texts and a very good Search engine. I've just been over there and typed in Nibru and here's the link to the results, so fill your boots!

http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?simplesearchword=nibru&simplesearch=translation&searchword=&charenc=gcirc&lists=

[Ishtar]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Bestlion, from your studies and experience do you believe there is anything to the idea that it is odd that it appeared the civilization appeared in Sumeria almost overnight with a complete governmental system unlike any previously known? How did that spring up if that is the case? Do you think we just lost the earlier links to that civilization?

No, we have them .... in archaeological finds. For instance the world's oldest temple is Gobekli Tepe in Turkey which is 10th millennium BCE and in fact, there are lots of sites around what is now Turkey and also India and parts of Mesopotamia dated from about the 10th millennium BCE to the time of the Sumerians.

They only appear to come from nowhere if you're going by written texts because up to the time of the Sumerians, they didn't write anything down and everything was passed on orally.

[Words of Joy]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Guys, fascinating as your questions are about what do I think about this and what do I think about the other, and flattering though it is to be asked, I think we'd better stick to the topic which is Sitchin, Anunnakki and Nibiru.

My intention was to be on topic, namely, if the annunaki weren't the ones to have created mankind then howcome our evolution seems to miss some evolving time?
But with your link I can look for it in the text and see what it says about the creation of mankind. Thanks.

[Ishtar]

Slobbe, we have good firm evidence of man existing 200,000 years ago in South Africa. OK, he was a little rough around the ages, but he created art ... if that's any indication of cognitive advancement.

Modern man, homo sapiens, which is what we are today, is a more gracialised form, but even he's been around since about 25,000 years ago.

There are no significant gaps in the archaeological record.

[BestLion]

About Nibru- Many theories on this as a once planet, a current planet, a city, a continent. a moon..I've heard many!! I myself don't focus on Nibru. i don't think it offers much since it is open to interpretations. I tend to focus on who these Annunaki were, what they offered to mankind, where they lived, their lifestyles..i think if we can find out more about them personally then many clues will be answered.
The main things i try to dig up when reading Sitchen isnt the 12th planet and all that..but more the historical aspect of all this and where it fits in the timeline of things. He writes lots of Mumbo Jumbo..that needs to be passed up 'lack of info, and his own take on it type of stuff"
Also don't just take 1 writers take on these Annunaki but veiw others and other ancient sites.. The Annunaki "or Nordics or Aryans.." are well mentioned in many cultures..and I feel the evidence that they were not human is very compelling..."technologies of the lost civilizations, and even modern civilization that sprang up out of nowhere, large bones, elongated skulls found, historic writing about these people in many cultures, the list goes on..
My study as of late is trying to learn more about these people then the 12th planet, cosmos aspect of them etc...
A few things i have dug up about the Annunaki is, they were not benevolent beings, yet they were not evil. They were fair ..and they were civilization establishers. They were extremely smart, and seemed not to interfere much with interbreeding with mankind :yet they did on a few occasions" They seemed to love royalty and the kingship, gold and the history of gold was from them...they seemed to prize gold the most. They knew how to harness free energy, and how to use sound vibrations to the fullest, they were very key on the cosmos and built cities and monumental around the cosmos. They did not seem egocentric, as human tend to be. They were of a caste type system also. The list goes on..

[Ishtar]

BestLion, can you give some references for your beliefs about the Anunnaki from the Sumerian texts?

[WhiteFeather]

Ishtar: Can we attribute the Crop Circles To Interdimensional Beings that perhaps may very well be sending us important information through it's designs. Re: Crop Circle And Zero Point .

Check Out This Awesome PDF of The Barbury Castle Pi Crop Circle of 2008, and how it relates to scientific/geometrical mathematical gestures. Are they trying to tell us something of great importance. Yes, without a doubt. Have a full look at this PDF.

http://www.kashonia.com/BarburyCastle.pdf

[Ishtar]

Whitefeather, like everyone else I'm fascinated by crop circles but have absolutely no clue as to who is making them.

[Kristin]

Here are some notes on the ETCSL translations. As all those who study ancient Sumer are aware, the translations and the programs used to assist are open for interpretation at any given moment as the language and contexts are of such an intricate nature. I lean to caution when looking at these and other translations. Caution as well when developing a theory based on Oxford funded transcripts. However, there are a lot of interesting lines and thoughts to be gained by doing so. Here are the ETCSL thoughts on the subject. I true literary version of the translations has yet to be made and perhaps will never be made lest some brilliant person spends his entire life on the subject... (cough, cough)

http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/edition...principles.pdf

From the Heart,
Wormhole

"Types of variation in transliteration
The broad types of variation that are likely to be encountered in different transliteration practices are four.
(i) The transliteration is different because the editor has chosen an entirely different reading of the sign or sign-group, implying identification with a different lemma. To read the sign DU as Ñen rather than gub (which normally has the meaning ‘to stand’) implies an interpretation of it as representing, in this particular context, a different verb (Ñen ‘to go’) instead.
(ii) The transliteration is different because, on the basis of historical evidence either newly reinterpreted or not previous available, the reading of the sign has been revised (either throughout Sumerian or in this particular context). An example is the sign MUNUS, with the reading munus ‘woman’, previously often read as mi¤. The reading mi¤ is now restricted to the phrasal verb mi¤...dug› ‘to treat kindly’. Many improvements of this sort have been made to transliterations in recent years, yet Sumerologists must remain familiar with the more old- fashioned transliterations encountered in many standard printed sources.
(iii) A small phonological change has been made to the reading of the sign, again because, on the basis of historical evidence either reinterpreted or not previous available, the reading of the sign has been revised. Examples are åir‹ (formerly sir‹), edin (formerly eden), iri (formerly uru), åudun (formerly åudul). Again, many changes of this sort have been made recently.
(iv) The transliteration varies between a long form of the word or syllable and a short form. The ‘long’ form generally has a consonant at the end. Examples are kur· ~ ku›, dirig ~ diri, pad‹ ~ pa‹, til‹ ~ ti. It is a feature of Sumerian orthography that the final consonant of many such bases is clearly written again in any suffixed form of the word (where the suffix begins with or consists of a vowel), e.g. kur·-re, dirig-ga, pad‹-da, til‹-le. This is an orthographic feature and does not imply doubling of the consonant. (In some words ending in -d, the d becomes -r- when followed by a suffix. In some words ending in -n, the n becomes -m- before a suffix.)
In almost all cases ETCSL has chosen the long form. There are two basic reasons for this. First, using the long form actually helps to disambiguate certain words. For example, the three different words zi ‘life’, zig‹ ‘to rise’ and zid ‘right, just’ are all written with the same sign ZI, which can have the readings zi, zig‹ or zid. By transliterating differently in each case,
the meanings are clear and the words can be lemmatised automatically. The second reason is a pedagogical one. If students learn the long readings from the first, they will be able to differentiate the lemmata and avoid errors in the identification of bases. Similarly the historical spelling court in French identifies the word as the adjective ‘short’ (fem. courte) and disambiguates it from cour ‘courtyard’, although the pronunciation is the same.
This has very little to do with the reality of Sumerian phonology. We will never be able to know whether Sumerian final stops were pronounced but unexploded (as in Cantonese wok) or not pronounced at all (as in French chat). It is a mistake to confuse transliteration (a regularised representation of the cuneiform signs present on the tablet) with attempts to reconstruct the exact phonology of Sumerian. The important thing is the regularity of transliteration, so that any subsequent changes can be made globally. Our experience shows that even advanced Sumerologists can adapt to new readings very quickly!"

[WhiteFeather]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Whitefeather, like everyone else I'm fascinated by crop circles but have absolutely no clue as to who is making them.

May very well be Interdimensional Energies/Beings at play. That's my intuition from most of the authentic and articulate ones that are created.