Using your real name (discussion from a David Wilcock thread)

[emilyg]

Hi everyone. Well this is my first day on here. I was soooooooo excited to get to read todays posts for the first time, yet all that is written above is horrible and a waste of time for a newbie like me to read. Dissappointed so back to youtube for me or another source of energy giving info not this tit for tat. sorry guys but this whole thread is not what this forum is about. That was my understanding when I joined. Seems to be Ego V Ego. Emily.

[DarMar]

Problem is David teaches people. He teaches about ascension about eternal life of soul, about non fear. And at first threat he was broken like child. That made me wonder why he does not apply what he teaches on himself?
Where is strength of spirit? Where is non fear of death? And where in all of that is ascension?
Im not convincing him nor find him guilty.
Im simply pointing to the fact hes teaching people of thing he dont understand nor apply to himself.
And he sells those. For me it is not discovering not creational work. To me it sounds like innocent childs play. Did he ever asked how his ideas influenced people rather than fireing new ideas like raindrops.
They often say, David helped me, he put me on righ way and so... but really i know they are far from that.
If you need other (like David) to confirm your identity, who are you actually?

I love him as a person, i support his search by much positive thought about him, and i always listen to him as he has some new interview. Why?
Because i think he have intention to walk right path, he has ideology and goes there. And im with him.

Im simply saying you can not teach by taking first step while who knows how many is left there.
He is stepping and is willing and all love to him to suceed... I just feel he needs more time to share ideas which actually has some integrity.

[Belle]

Posted by Kimberley (here)
Wow! Darla's post sure was a catalyst for those that have felt the need to defend themselves.

I brought up this topic of real name vs not real name many months ago... and I know others have in the past also. I do not remember there being such anger and meaness as I just read here?? Wow!

I could not stop myself from adding my 2 cents here, but here goes.....

I hate to break it to you all but if you use a computer that is connected to the internet or you have a cell phone
YOU HAVE NO PRIVACY!!!

End of story!


Much Love!

When people are accused of being fear-based (a judgment call) and insulted and verbally attacked, of course they will defend themselves. Meanness? On whose part? There's only one on this thread that is on a three day vacation...and I don't think it was because she was so full of love and light.

Yes, there is little privacy left. But there is no reason to launch a personal attack on someone who does not agree with you, as Darla did. She attacked the perceived intention of those who value privacy...her perception. How could she know the intent of another's heart? How can anyone know the intent of another's heart? Some of us have very valid reasons for keeping as much privacy as possible that have nothing to do with fear.

I said it earlier in this thread...anyone can post a picture of a person, any person. I cannot validate that is the person posting. Anyone can pick a name out of a hat and use it. I cannot validate that the name is genuine to the person posting. How can I know that you are Kimberley? Because you said so? Now we get into the matter of trust.

I believe the probability exists that there are and have been members of this forum who work for three letter agencies or think tanks...like there are on most alternative forums. I stopped posting for a while and became an observer. It was quite an illuminating experience. A nudge here, and a little thread highjacking there and it's easy to derail a thread or move the discussion in a certain direction.

Am I the only one here who sees a major division occurring at Avalon? It has been growing and growing for months now...to the point of meanness and anger on both sides. Is that just coincidence or has it had a bit of help?

We all talk of acceptance and respect, tolerance and unity, though the tone of a post can reveal just the opposite. Can we actually walk the talk and follow the guidelines of this forum or will this end up degenerating beyond repair?

[blufire]

Well all I can say to your post emilyg is we seem to go at it like this quite often. It’s all part of growing and being family.

There are those of us who are like the hounds that get out in the middle of the yard and go at it and then there are the hounds that hang out on the porch in the shade and where it is “perceived" to be safer. Takes all sorts . . . .pick your place . . . yard or porch

Posted by emilyg (here)
Hi everyone. Well this is my first day on here. I was soooooooo excited to get to read todays posts for the first time, yet all that is written above is horrible and a waste of time for a newbie like me to read. Dissappointed so back to youtube for me or another source of energy giving info not this tit for tat. sorry guys but this whole thread is not what this forum is about. That was my understanding when I joined. Seems to be Ego V Ego. Emily.

[TargeT]

Posted by w1ndmill (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)
I hate to say it, but Darla's setiment is one of "an older generation" that doesn't understand

This is a very ageist comment TargeT and has no place on this forum. I don't agree with Darla's message in this thread but she still has a right to place it without being pilloried or sidelined.

I don't have any problem with 'outing' myself but I enjoy the whole idea of an avatar and 'handle'. It's all part of the game as far as I'm concerned although I have nothing at all to hide (bit of a faker really - did I spell that right ? ha ha lol - lighten up people, all this hostility and testosterone is really not necessary

Hmm, I'd say it was & is a VERY accurate generalization and infact not an Ad Hominem attack at all, though it may border on one as it tends to dismiss her idea based on her being one of a "different generation".

I said this statement because I volenteer at elder homes, I speak with my grandparents & those of others often... Name is very important, it is sewn into things, written on things.. they are their name.. their name is them..

I do not feel this way & have noticed a "loosening" of this label among the "cyber generation" if you are not one of Generation X (or post) it may be hard to understand how online identities are rival to "real" identities.

I could count my real life friends on one hand and have fingers left over; yet I am an extrovert to the T & do not lack for socilization, my methodology is just very different than those of previous generations.

I hold Online meetings, I telecomute to work, I remote into servers while at work.. I'm rarely ever "really there" when Im working, I'm always reaching through a portal to manipulate something distant... much like my social life.

This is what I thought I was getting across with that comment & obvoiusly I failed to heed my own advice, "more words are better when it comes to Text".

this message was not intended to be negative or insulting, rather informative and explain a difference in concept, I know roughly the age of 9eagle9 & thought the comment pertinent as she falls inbetween the ranges I targeted with my comment.


THAT BEING SAID!

age, race, creed, color, preference in shoe fabric.. none of these alone make a person, but they do allow our wonderfully lazy brains to catigorize people & make snap judgements....to deny this to our selfs is to deny our nature... you can't regulate it away with out making it worse...

I attempt not to do this with out justification, and I think this response is my ego going "WTF IM NOT AGEIST!" haha...

[Words of Joy]

What happened to the law of free will? Is it so difficult to respect each others choices?

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Darla........David is very 'brave' imho....It was the shock of the direct threat that caused his distress and emotional responce on Kerrys Show.
I think it was lucky for him he was able to get on air at short notice and share the threat with us all......I don't see an issue with Davids integrity because
he shed a few tears......Whether you believe in the story is a different matter...

The Avatar question is a personal decision, nothing to get you 'Knickers in a twist' over, my photo is on my profile and if I can get a decent one I might change it...LOL
But surely its nothing to fall out about.......

I was going to put this on another odd thread.....



Unless I'm missing something ?? Cheers ..Steve...

[grapevine]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by w1ndmill (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)
I hate to say it, but Darla's setiment is one of "an older generation" that doesn't understand

This is a very ageist comment TargeT and has no place on this forum. I don't agree with Darla's message in this thread but she still has a right to place it without being pilloried or sidelined.

I don't have any problem with 'outing' myself but I enjoy the whole idea of an avatar and 'handle'. It's all part of the game as far as I'm concerned although I have nothing at all to hide (bit of a faker really - did I spell that right ? ha ha lol - lighten up people, all this hostility and testosterone is really not necessary

Hmm, I'd say it was & is a VERY accurate generalization and infact not an Ad Hominem attack at all, though it may border on one as it tends to dismiss her idea based on her being one of a "different generation".

I said this statement because I volenteer at elder homes, I speak with my grandparents & those of others often... Name is very important, it is sewn into things, written on things.. they are their name.. their name is them..

I do not feel this way & have noticed a "loosening" of this label among the "cyber generation" if you are not one of Generation X (or post) it may be hard to understand how online identities are rival to "real" identities.

I could count my real life friends on one hand and have fingers left over; yet I am an extrovert to the T & do not lack for socilization, my methodology is just very different than those of previous generations.

I hold Online meetings, I telecomute to work, I remote into servers while at work.. I'm rarely ever "really there" when Im working, I'm always reaching through a portal to manipulate something distant... much like my social life.

This is what I thought I was getting across with that comment & obvoiusly I failed to heed my own advice, "more words are better when it comes to Text".

this message was not intended to be negative or insulting, rather informative and explain a difference in concept, I know roughly the age of 9eagle9 & thought the comment pertinent as she falls inbetween the ranges I targeted with my comment.


THAT BEING SAID!

age, race, creed, color, preference in shoe fabric.. none of these alone make a person, but they do allow our wonderfully lazy brains to catigorize people & make snap judgements....to deny this to our selfs is to deny our nature... you can't regulate it away with out making it worse...

I attempt not to do this with out justification, and I think this response is my ego going "WTF IM NOT AGEIST!" haha...

I'm going to show my age TargeT and just LET THIS GO ................ Bye bye!

[TargeT]

Posted by w1ndmill (here)
I'm going to show my age TargeT and just LET THIS GO ................ Bye bye!

at risk of participating in exactly what I'm pointing out (& really this has little to do with you w1ndmill, but a great opertunity); I'll pose this question:

What is the point of posts like this,, or posts like "this is my last post"

I feel it must be rooted in Ego (last word type of thing) or a cry for attention (and some ego in the case of "this is my last post")

if you TRUELY were to let this go, would a post be required? is this a passive agressive responce?


I myself feel like making these types of posts & would like to understand the motivation behind it as it logicaly is flawed & really seems to have no purpose what-so-ever aside from the possibly the two things I listed previously.

[Unified Serenity]

Basically saying is, "I'm letting it go, and if you were half the person I am you would too" which to me is just more control dogma. It's meant for manipulation whether consciously or unconsciously.

[Kimberley]

I just remembered that the photo of me (the real me) in the avatar that you see here in my post is a photo taken on a cruise ship 3 years ago that I was in attendance of a David Wilcock event. I had spent many hours talking with David before this cruise and interviewed him for my radio show. I consider David a friend, not a close friend but a friend of 4 years now. (you might have heard me at the end of the Ben Fullford interview about validating the Keenan case). I realize that I have not posted my last name here in avalon although I do have a link to my 3 year running internet radio show in my "about me" place. Kimberley Jaeger is my name google it and you will find me. I had to bite the bullet a few years ago if I wanted to use the internet. Be sure to search images and videos also. Like I said earlier I am an open book.

I have NEVER had my phone number published in a phone book...something I started doing 35 years ago when I was first on the radio. But now I just googled myself and found more information than I have ever seen before... like I said no privacy.

And David Wilcock is not a guru to me.. I moved beyond gurues 8 years ago when I remembered that we are all gurus if we chose to be.

Much love to us all always in all ways!!!

[jagman]

Darla, I would No longer respond to the gutter snyping. You said what was on your mind and by the way Thank You because it is a valid Question!
It seems to me, That certain members of this community love to attack When they smell the proverbial blood in the waters!
David Wilcock is a prime example of this! Yes this community can be quite vicious at times.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by jagman (here)
Darla, I would No longer respond to the gutter snyping. You said what was on your mind and by the way Thank You because it is a valid Question!
It seems to me, That certain members of this community love to attack When they smell the proverbial blood in the waters!
David Wilcock is a prime example of this! Yes this community can be quite vicious at times.

Thanks Jagman, it seems pefectly ok with those who tend to be in agreement with Darla to snipe all they want. To discuss whomever they want at any given time, and to call names. I never said her life sucked or called into question her life. I stick to topics and don't take pot shots at members. So, now we are gutter snipes, but see who is on a 3 day vacation? Did you even read what she said about me? Seems it's all fair when it's the likes of sweet love and lite personas, but those of us who believe actions speak louder than words are fair game.

I am used to not fitting other's boxes. Tolerance is only one sided, that's what got a lot of this going. Many things were attributed to me and still are that I never said. So, en garde and touche seem to be the watch words in the hear and now.

[Billy]

Listen Guys, Just out of interest google your own name or nickname, personally i have 6 pages on google if i type in my real name and many more if i type my nickname, every comment or post i have made is there, there is nothing hidden, There are no secrets. Allow your energy to flow. Its the way to go.

As we approach 2012 in 3days time, I hope you all have a blessed new year.

Peace

[jagman]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by jagman (here)
Darla, I would No longer respond to the gutter snyping. You said what was on your mind and by the way Thank You because it is a valid Question!
It seems to me, That certain members of this community love to attack When they smell the proverbial blood in the waters!
David Wilcock is a prime example of this! Yes this community can be quite vicious at times.

Thanks Jagman, it seems pefectly ok with those who tend to be in agreement with Darla to snipe all they want. To discuss whomever they want at any given time, and to call names. I never said her life sucked or called into question her life. I stick to topics and don't take pot shots at members. So, now we are gutter snipes, but see who is on a 3 day vacation? Did you even read what she said about me? Seems it's all fair when it's the likes of sweet love and lite personas, but those of us who believe actions speak louder than words are fair game.

I am used to not fitting other's boxes. Tolerance is only one sided, that's what got a lot of this going. Many things were attributed to me and still are that I never said. So, en garde and touche seem to be the watch words in the hear and now.

United Serenity I was not calling you a gutter snipe sorry for the misuderstanding.
I was just talking in general,

[Unified Serenity]

You're a busy guy billy. There is nothing to be found on me that leads back to where I live. You can get my pic but that's it.

[jackovesk]

Moral of the Story,

Don't Any of You DARE Ask Honest Question's of someone 'GURU' ever, ever, ever..!

PS - Ever..! Got it..! I was over this whole issue on the Initial Thread that started all this he said, she said rubbish in the 1st Place...

Everyone is an individual and everyone does not always agree with anothers POV, so what is all the FUSS about..?

For those of you who choose to carry on with this nonsense, be my guest...

And if you wish to quote me, by all means do so but I will not be responding...

I'm outta here...Seeya

[jagman]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
You're a busy guy billy. There is nothing to be found on me that leads back to where I live. You can get my pic but that's it.

Everyone has a few skeletons in the closet.lol

[Billy]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
You're a busy guy billy. There is nothing to be found on me that leads back to where I live. You can get my pic but that's it.

Having moved 27 times in 13yrs, i am now in a position that i do not even know where i live now. House sitting and looking after my friends dog just now, all good,

Peace

[mojo]

....they can find you on google?