Anunnaki, Jesus and NLP (split from another thread)

[RedeZra]

[Mod-edit: The first 44 posts of this thread were originally posted to the thread An examination of the Anunnaki and the planet Nibiru . These posts were split off to this separate to avoid derailing their original thread. See further my Post #45, below. -- Paul.]

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Posted by Ishtar (here)
If we don't at least produce the evidence in the first place, then we can make up anything we like as we go along and then just say "Oh well, the establishment buried it."

We have to stay open-minded, of course. But not so much that our brains fall out.

look at my link above and see the evidence

if you're not impressed then look into it or drop the notion

like you've dropped the Bible without verification


it's not a secret that all the cultures of the world share stories about giants

who do you think built Stonehedge ?

[Ishtar]

Yes, of course, that is one of the theories about Stonehenge (and the millions of other megalithic sites scattered worldwide), because no-one could figure out how on Earth the stones could have been lifted into position otherwise, and so the Megalithic Age, when these huge monuments were built, was dubbed The Age of the Giants.

However, we now know that, in the case of some of them, like the pyramids, the stones were made of agglomerated materials which were poured into moulds in situ, like concrete. So not so much heavy lifting and hauling was required. In the case of others, like Stonehenge, where the stones came from Wales, it would have easy to move them down the leylines and we know that our early ancestors were skilled in geomancy.

I did look at your thread, but I didn't see any evidence there ~ just speculation and instances of a few tall people who once lived who were no taller than people alive today. People of 8 feet plus tall while not being common, are also not that rare. There's a guy in the Ukraine, name of Leonid Stadnyk, who's over 8 feet all, and several others worldwide who are registered as being over 7 feet tall There's probably plenty more who haven't registered themselves. These are not what I would call 'giants'. And if you're talking about moving huge megalithic stones, you'd need to be more than just a couple of feet taller than others to achieve it.

There was a Giant of Castelnau, at over 11 feet high ... now that's getting closer to what I'd call a giant... but still not really.

List of tallest people from Wiki

I've given plenty of verification for why the Bible and other sacred texts were not understood to be literally true by our ancestors, and if you go back and read my posts carefully, you will find it.

The verification I asked for was of 'giants' skeletons being hidden in the Smithsonian. You've been unable to provide this.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
In the case of others, like Stonehenge, where the stones came from Wales, it would have easy to move them down the leylines and we know that our early ancestors were skilled in geomancy.

Geomancy is not about moving several tons of stones but a method of divination that interprets markings on the ground or the patterns formed by tossed handfuls of soil rocks or sand

i have never seen tons of stone move down the leylines with ease so it sounds implausible to me

compared to the theory of giants which after all is supported by culture

Posted by Ishtar (here)
I've given plenty of verification for why the Bible and other sacred texts were not understood to be literally true by our ancestors, and if you go back and read my posts carefully, you will find it.

you have presented personal opinions about the veracity of the Bible which is not the same as verification

Posted by Ishtar (here)
The verification I asked for was of 'giants' skeletons being hidden in the Smithsonian. You've been unable to provide this.

i don't have the keys to Smithsonian cellars

and you just have to spend an evening investigating giants on the net

to align in agreement with me

that there were giants in the earth in those days

[Ishtar]

The verification that our ancestors read the sacred texts as allegory and metaphor can be found in the post about Philo of Alexandria.

I practice geomancy and it includes working with the leylines.

I don't have an evening to spend on the internet chasing something that I don't believe in, so shall we just agree to differ?

[RedeZra]

i am behind you Ishtar in your assessment of Sitchin injecting conjecture into the Sumerian tablets and that Nibiru is a city and not a planet

but the Anunnaki according to the tablets are flesh and blood creatures and probably the Nephilim of the Bible

huge hybrids between spirits and humans

and i'm guessing that those black haired creatures the Anunnaki genetically engineered are not humans but Yeti or Sasquatch like Star Wars Chewbacca

[Ishtar]

I started this thread with the idea of laying out and examining what tangible evidence we have for the Anunnaki existing given that the person who originally told us about them, Sitchin, lied.

You believe that they existed because you read mythology as literal history. I don't accept that stories contained in mythology are literally true and believe that they served another purpose.

And so we'll never agree on this.

As I said, let's shake hands and agree to differ.... before we bore everyone to death.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

So this is how the spirits became 'gods' and then eventually the gods became 'God' and Jesus the mythical Sun God became Jesus the real Son of God.

spirits or gods or elohim are still venerated and worshipped within inner elite circles and secret groves

the elite is in league with legions of spirits who fell from grace of the Source of spirits or God or Elohim


so Mystery Babylon is still the religion of the elite and so the world

Posted by jcocks
Something clicked within me last year, and I suddenly saw that Jesus the son of god was a veiled reference to a sun god....

And, looking at the beauty of the sun during sunrise, I could see a lot worse things to worship.....

that was a click of error ; )

Jesus is the Creator of the sun as well as your soul

[Ishtar]

The Elite, as you call them, could never access the benevolent and loving spirits of the Anunakki much less be in league with them. These spirits are pure heavenly beings of Light and can only be perceived through a higher consciousness, which is Love, unconditional Love. They only respond to Unconditional Love. There is no other way through that Gate and there never will be.

However, I know and respect that your religion has trained you to think differently but unless you are going to be open to a new idea, you will become a troll in this thread. That's why I suggested we shake hands and agree to differ, in the same way that if you opened up a thread on Christianity, I would stay out of it.

I would ask you again to honour that agreement.

[Ria]

Redezra this is to much of a broad stroke. this is like saying I am in league, with any thing negative, just because I live in the UK.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
I would ask you again to honour that agreement.

why would i be quiet when you miss the mark about Jesus ?

it's better for you not to mention Jesus if you don't want me to butt in

Posted by Ria
Redezra this is to much of a broad stroke. this is like saying I am in league, with any thing negative, just because I live in the UK.

i'm saying the inner elite the illuminati is in league with spirits who fell from grace

[Ria]

Redezra, it dose look like you are being argumentative, for argument sake. peace

[BestLion]

Ishtar, I haven't checked this thread for a few days and it has grown. Also you added many new things I didn't even know of the Annunaki. I certainly agree with you on aliens and beings, being not ET but ED. My study of ancient cultures and civilizations also have pointed me in that direction also.
I do have a problem with Sitcens 'Intervention theory" He uses for this pictures from cylinder seals to make his conclusion, and 1 or 2 very old hard to read Sumerian tablets.

Quote Posted by Ishtar (here)
I would ask you again to honour that agreement.
why would i be quiet when you miss the mark about Jesus ?

it's better for you not to mention Jesus if you don't want me to butt in

Please respect us and take your Jesus stuff elsewhere. i was in that faith for a few year myself.a nd really have a sour taste for it. Please do not destroy a good thread with this rubbish!

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by Ria (here)
Redezra, it dose look like you are being argumentative, for argument sake. peace

Ria,

By all means believe what you want, but when you say someone is coming in argumentative for arguments sake and disgregard this entire passage Ishtar shared:

Well, no-one’s quite sure how it happened, but happen it did. A small clique of those people who attended the Lesser Mysteries — or at least knew the stories that were told and performed at them — decided that they must be true, that the Sun god who had died and risen again, three days later, had been a real person who had once lived. Not only that, they also believed that this real dying and resurrecting godman was born in Nazareth thousands of years after the first one of these plays was ever performed.

Now most people at the time, on hearing this, were vastly amused and some of the philosophy schools in Rome even felt a bit sorry for this group. For one thing, they knew that ‘Nazarene’ was a Judaic rendering in metaphor for the Indian Naga or Nagerene, wise serpent teacher. But still, for hundreds of years, it stayed that way, with the small cult that believed in a real historical dying and resurrecting godman being regarded by everyone else as a harmless bunch of eccentrics who had misunderstood the metaphorical teachings. And this is exactly how it would have stayed if it hadn’t been for a power hungry emperor called Constantine....

So this is how the spirits became 'gods' and then eventually the gods became 'God' and Jesus the mythical Sun God became Jesus the real Son of God.

You seem to be missing a major bit of information that is begging for rebuttal. Now, RedEzra and I do not see eye to eye on much biblically, but one thing for certain that he and I do see eye to eye on is that Jesus was not some mythical character drummed up by some wackos with a little bit of knowledge. This all happened so long ago, there is little to show for proof beyond words written and found. How very crafty of the light bringer to throw this sort of information into the mix. Of course the idea of the Sun God was put into play. Of course it marries nicely with Christianity after all it was subverted by the very people of Babylon (Elites) to make sure it could be subverted by their boy Saul and Constantine! Now, 2000 years later all this information comes out to confuse the masses seeking truth to erode the facts further to set up once again the one world religion under the Babylonian system just as we were warned it would. I think I have more work to do because the evidence is in the Stars, and it is so simple a child can understand it.

Serenity

[Ishtar]

Unified Serenity,

What you've just mounted is called an ad hominem attack because you're attacking me, not the argument, by making unsupported accusations about the motives behind the narrative I've provided which imply I'm trying somehow to deceive or just making it all up, whereas I've come to my views honestly through decades of long hard study.

I don't want to take this thread off course by discussing the historicity of Jesus, but I'm satisfied that he never existed as a real historical character through research and discovering there is no evidence for his life, and also by contacting him as a spirit. For that reason, I am entitled to come to a different view without being considered evil or having been manipulated into my views by an evil regime, and so your accusations are without foundation and, in fact, unjust and unfair.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by BestLion (here)
Ishtar, I haven't checked this thread for a few days and it has grown. Also you added many new things I didn't even know of the Annunaki. I certainly agree with you on aliens and beings, being not ET but ED. My study of ancient cultures and civilizations also have pointed me in that direction also.
I do have a problem with Sitcens 'Intervention theory" He uses for this pictures from cylinder seals to make his conclusion, and 1 or 2 very old hard to read Sumerian tablets.

Quote Posted by Ishtar (here)
I would ask you again to honour that agreement.
why would i be quiet when you miss the mark about Jesus ?

it's better for you not to mention Jesus if you don't want me to butt in

Please respect us and take your Jesus stuff elsewhere. i was in that faith for a few year myself.a nd really have a sour taste for it. Please do not destroy a good thread with this rubbish!

With all due respect that was introduced by the OP, not RedEzra. There is much to dissect and lots of NLP tricks were played in that particular post I quoted. I will be more than happy to start a new thread, but neither Red nor I brought up Christianity. I will simply say very clearly right now, that making these claims as fact that Ishtar does and peppering her words implying "everyone knows this" , ridicule, shame and pity concepts for anyone who bought into the Christian message does not make her words true, and in fact I will go so far as to say that this is more of the Religion of Ascension and someone is playing the High Priestess role of it nicely. There are HPS' of the Babylonian faith, and Lucifer is no idiot. Put him into whatever god name you want, his message is easy to spot. His tactics have worked for many millenia, and he is fully aware of the Divine Plan. Now, I really need to get back to my work.

regards,


Serenity

[Ishtar]

I'm quite flattered that Unified Serenity thinks I'm using NLP tricks. Perhaps I should use a few?

I'm a former journalist so I write like a story teller, that's all. I know how to engage an audience ... and if that's a sin, you can hang me now.

I've had to decant a lot of research from my head into this thread and I could just put everything up here like a dry academic paper, but I don't think anyone would want to read it.

Anyway, as my guru used to say, "If I woke up one morning to find that all my enemies had disappeared, I'd wonder what I was doing wrong."

So carry on Unified Serenity ...do your worst!

[Ria]

The dry academic style would send me to sleep, so don't change, in this regard. I almost do not wont to mention this, as it could be blow-en all out of pre-portion. keep Sai Baba for another thread, as he is quit controversial.

[Khaleesi]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
I'm quite flattered that Unified Serenity thinks I'm using NLP tricks. Perhaps I should use a few?

I'm a former journalist so I write like a story teller, that's all. I know how to engage an audience ... and if that's a sin, you can hang me now.

I've had to decant a lot of research from my head into this thread and I could just put everything up here like a dry academic paper, but I don't think anyone would want to read it.

Anyway, as my guru Sai Baba used to say, "If I woke up one morning to find that all my enemies had disappeared, I'd wonder what I was doing wrong."

So carry on Unified Serenity ...do your worst!

I'll show you specifically where NLP was used.

Quoting Ishtar:

"Well, no-one’s quite sure how it happened, but happen it did." Notice the statement of fact. Well, we all know you can't argue with facts, right? Sarcasm intended.

"Now most people at the time, on hearing this, were vastly amused" Ridicule and pity.

"with the small cult that believed in a real historical dying and resurrecting godman being regarded by everyone else as a harmless bunch of eccentrics" Notice the wording here. Small cult, indicating only a few a few people that were deluded/tricked. This is more fully backed up by following up with the word eccentrics denoting crazy and deluded.

So Ishtar, if you didn't use NLP, who is speaking through you?

[Ishtar]

Posted by Khaleesi (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)
I'm quite flattered that Unified Serenity thinks I'm using NLP tricks. Perhaps I should use a few?

I'm a former journalist so I write like a story teller, that's all. I know how to engage an audience ... and if that's a sin, you can hang me now.

I've had to decant a lot of research from my head into this thread and I could just put everything up here like a dry academic paper, but I don't think anyone would want to read it.

Anyway, as my guru Sai Baba used to say, "If I woke up one morning to find that all my enemies had disappeared, I'd wonder what I was doing wrong."

So carry on Unified Serenity ...do your worst!

I'll show you specifically where NLP was used.

Quoting Ishtar:

"Well, no-one’s quite sure how it happened, but happen it did." Notice the statement of fact. Well, we all know you can't argue with facts, right? Sarcasm intended.

"Now most people at the time, on hearing this, were vastly amused" Ridicule and pity.

"with the small cult that believed in a real historical dying and resurrecting godman being regarded by everyone else as a harmless bunch of eccentrics" Notice the wording here. Small cult, indicating only a few a few people that were deluded/tricked. This is more fully backed up by following up with the word eccentrics denoting crazy and deluded.

So Ishtar, if you didn't use NLP, who is speaking through you?

I assure you that it was entirely unintentional. I was trained to write in this way, and it's called 'conversational writing' and it's been used by storytellers forever and a day. . I find that I prefer to engage with people in that way on a discussion forum, because it's more chatty and friendly and frankly, I'd get bored writing otherwise. I'm here to engage with people, not to show off what I know.

I haven't been trained in NLP but I do know about it because it's used as a therapy these days, and I write for a website called The Therapy Book, in which I was asked to write an article about NLP therapy. But that was only a few weeks ago .. and I didn't know about until then. Whereas, what you quoted was written ages ago, probably more than a year ago, when I'd never even heard of NLP.

OKay, sooooooooooooo.... while we here, does anyone else want to mount a personal attack? Or can we get back to the issues?

[9eagle9]

Okay. Well if you don't go back and re-frame for NLP I suspect someone else will do it for you. So know you have a choice.

Ishtar what is the goal here? What is all this time and investment in past story, and past history, and past identification and as you said, away from dry academia and story telling, supposed to doing in the present? What is this supposed to be doing for people. How is it serving people? What is all of this going to do for them NOW?