Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[Lancelot]

Great post Ishtar, this rings true to me.

There has been a lot of fear around Niburu and the Annunaki lately which I feel uncomfortable with.
Its become a fear- focused distraction to many which is an all too familiar pattern.

I particularly resonated with this bit-
'We have been trained to look for gods and God coming from the skies because we've had our birthright stolen from us. We need to stop looking to the skies for our saviours and look to ourselves because we ARE the gods we've been looking for. And that's what "they" don't want us to know, because when we know that and start acting from that place, their game will be well and truly up.'

Love and light
Lancelot

[crested-duck]

http://stevequayle.com/ have a look here and find some decent research info on giants.... very interesting thread

[Ishtar]

Crested duck, I'm sorry but I use more discrimination about the sort of research I use.This guy, Steve Quayle is just trying to frighten people into investing in his gold.

Where did these giants come from and what was their connection with ordinary humans? Just who were they? What happened to these extraordinary creatures? Is it possible they could ever return? The last question I will answer right now - YES, they most definitely could return! And they have something much worse in mind for mankind.

Really? My knees are knocking!! Sheesh!

He just wants to scare us ... and I wonder who's paying him to do that?

His so-called "evidence" is also based on literal reading of scriptural stories, which I've already made clear that I don't subscribe to.

I mentioned this earlier, but we are in an information war and disinformation agents are rife on the internet. Anyone can publish a website. The Syrian intelligence agents quickly threw up a website the other day and then pretended it was the website of the Muslim Brotherhood and wrote on it, that they, the Muslim Brotherhood, claimed responsibility for two huge bombs that went off in the Damascus the previous day, killing around 40 people. Of course, the Muslim Brotherhood denied they had anything to do wiith it, but by then the wires like AP and Reuters had picked up the story and so the main online newspapers started to run with it.

So just because something exists on the internet, it does necessarily follow that it's true, and especially when the writer is setting out deliberately to frighten people with false alarms.

Of course, there were people with what we call gigantism a long time ago, just as there is today. I'm not doubting that.

But there is no evidence that they were the Anunakki or the Nephilim, and if you choose to believe so, that is your privilege and I beg to pass.

[BestLion]

Crested duck, I'm sorry but I use more discrimination about the sort of research I use.This guy, Steve Quayle is just trying to frighten people into investing in his gold.

Yes! And not only that he's a born again Bible thumper who wants to convert people to Jesus via his 'findings' to PROVE the Bible as real.
Something I also disagree with Sitcen on is the DNA manipulation. Not enough evidence to support this ..and no ancient culture or civilization talks about it. i do not for 1 second buy into the 'intervention theory' I feel mankind arrive here from some other place fully as a human. The races i feel just arrived from other places in the universe.
i do tend to think this race of Annunaki are real beings. Who were very smart..likely had a 200 IQ..First Aryans tend to have about a 120 IQ and , Asians 105 IQ, Africans about 80 IQ.
I also think mankind has been here much longer..like 200,000-300,000 years..and you add the findings like Adams calendar and Arkaim..and it is clear civilized man was here 100,000 BC building megalithic monuments around 105,000 BC. That does not then compute with Sitcens theories of altered DNA! his theory more less only goes back to Atlantis 'from his books' of DNA manipulation..yet when in fact Atlantis was likely the 3rd or 4th great civilization.

[Deega]

Thanks Ishtar for your great contribution here, and I want to share some thoughts.

From your reasoning, if it (allegations on something) ain’t proven by archeology, history, anthropology, then it’s mythical, allegoric,…,(do I get you right?), and it can’t be recognized as facts, hmm!

There is to much of the unexplained and every day, a peal of knowledge come out and we read, listen, and feel that something else is of the known now. Let take the field of science, medicine for example, how come this field of knowledge cannot pin-point the influence (qualitatively, quantitatively) on the body of emotions…? It’s only recently that science recognizes that prayers send direct healing vibrations miles away to a receiver, the fact is that it works, the how it happens is not yet known, so one may not discard the unknown of yesterday.

In physics, only a few years back, scientists were talking about the smallest particle being the “String Particle” and now a day, scientists in European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) are searching the “God Particle”, ever changing thing, not an absolute that one have to abide by. So here also, facts are that scientists were not able to factualized the “String Particle”, they extrapolated and theorized, would one say that this is non-factual…?

Human beings are a godly treasure, that is infinitesimal in scope, dimensions, light, etc. And, though we know the physical pretty well each and everyone of us, science has a long way to go with what is at stake with the soul, the spirit. How the emotional has impacts over our health?, etc. So if we stay with the factual, we don’t hold justice to who we are!

All sciences are incomplete, because, the unknown (discovery, creation) is always there, no absolute ever! And if we follow the establish sciences indicated here, don’t we play the PTB game?, a catch 22 thing!

All the best to you.

Deega

[gardunk]

Great and empowered discussions here/ twelvth planet or 12 strand dna does not matter as much as getting to understand that the answers are never going to be seen out there and the journey is within/ Thank you Ishtar and do you have any thoughts on Soloman's temple?

[Ishtar]

Posted by Deega (here)

All sciences are incomplete, because, the unknown (discovery, creation) is always there, no absolute ever! And if we follow the establish sciences indicated here, don’t we play the PTB game?, a catch 22 thing!

All the best to you.

Deega

Hi Deega,

If you refer back to my opening post, the conclusion would be that this knowledge is not incomplete as much as returning in a circle to what was known before but destroyed/hidden/suppressed by the ptb.

I think I also made it clear that I've worked with archaeologists for years who've had their work destroyed/hidden/suppressed by the ptb.

So I'm not a sucker for the establishment line.

But what i'm finding in trying to describe my view in this thread is that I'm up against some sort of pressure, and that pressure can only be described as the power of wishful thinking.

In other words, what I am against is the desire in some (and by no means all) to follow the line of making it up as we go along, and just believing in something because we like the sound of the story without applying any independent or critical judgement to it, and that way, we play straight into the hands of the psy-ops merchants.

But perhaps people would prefer to believe that the ancient texts describe people coming from outer space on spaceships rather than believe my proposition, that our ancient ancestors were better particle physicists than we are.

And I'm also not sure which proposition sounds the most incredible!

Thanks for your interest.


Gardunk, Hi!

I'm afraid what I know about Solomon's Temple will take another thread, because the amount of information I'd like to share about sacred geometry and divine architecture would take this thread way of topic. Perhaps we can do that another day?

[etm567]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Nibiru is very much an Earthly city, and is never described as otherwise. Sitchin lied about this, and people have been making it all up ever since.

Also ET means extra-terrestrial or extra to terra, which is Latin for Earth. But the spirits are not from outside Earth or from another galaxy extra to Earth. They are here, and always have been, with us on Earth but in another dimension which is timeless. So it would be more correct to refer to them as extra-dimensionals or EDs.

I've read the Sitchin books, and while I have always wondered if he was right about everything, at the very least they are very eye opening. It was reading his books that caused me to realize, quite suddenly, what you have said on this thread -- that the word "god" was just applied in the 20th century to some other idea. Whether it's space-people or extra-dimensional doesn't make much difference to me. They are quite apart from our everyday experience, and are part of a heritage that we have been denied.

This entire area is the one of most real interest to me -- to discover the Earth's true history. And reading Sitchin definitely opened my eyes to the possibilities.

As far as the 10th planet goes, if you have read the Sumerian tablets yourself, can you say did Sitchin completely misrepresent the long creation story? I forget the name, is it the Enuma Elish? I know that when I read part of that many decades ago, long before I ever heard of Sitchin, it was obvious to me that Genesis was based on the Sumerian tablets. But no, I never read them. Just a book on Sumer, with quotes from some of them, as translated by the guys at Oxford or Cambridge, probably.

But in Sitchin's retelling of that story, there is a big invader that comes into the solar system, more than once, and causes all this havoc. He says the big watery planet Tiamat was Earth, before she was hit and broken up, and that half of Tiamat became the asteroid belt, and the other half was bumped into a different spot in the solar system, where Earth now resides.

I forget the details. It's long and quite complicated. I say this to point you to where he mentions the 10th planet. That is the invader that came through a few times and caused all this havoc in the solar system.

The photographs of various cylinder seals that Sitchin presents are also very interesting. One of them, which I think is very familiar, has the sun with nine little planets around it.

Sitchin also says, and it could be deliberately mistranslated, I have no way of knowing, that in this story the writer describes the solar system from the outside in. (It could be a different story; sorry, it's been a while since I read them.)

So, even with a liberal sprinkling of disinformation, the whole story that Sitchin tells was very eye-opening to me. Whether the Anunnaki were people from space or were extra-dimensional beings?

There is also a lot of stuff that can be found on the Internet from this French fellow. This could be a lot of stories with a dose of disinformation as well. But in those stories, the ones that he tells, these beings that are on earth and who participated to some degree in our creation are extra-dimensional here on Earth. And there are other beings as well, and there is a great deal of conflict, with beings from different places with different agendas looking on. It is one more fascinating story to say the least.

This story is much, much more complicated. And the original books were written in French. And I haven't been able to buy books for financial reasons for many years now, so I haven't read the books. But I read everything I could find on this particular website.

I posted that website elsewhere here on the forum a few days ago. BUt I am not so good at finding my way around here, yet. Found it! It's called The Chronicles of the Girku. Anton Parks is the Frenchman, who found himself telling these stories in some sort of a state of possession, or something, that led him to believe he is Enki reincarnated. Another fellow, named Gerry Zeitlin, has translated these books into English and put a lot of the material on his website, here: http://www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/Secrets.html

If I have misrepresented any of this, please forgive me. It's been a long time since I read any of it, and I may be making many mistakes.

But I do find this to be utterly fascinating. If I could sit Kerry Cassidy down and interview her, I would ask her what she knows or thinks she knows about the Anunnaki, because she mentions them often, and seems to think she has met some of them. There could, of course, be a lot of confusion about who precisely they are or were.

Can you tell us a story of the Earth's true history?


Gratefully,
ETM

[Ishtar]

Tiamat is a sea serpent, not a planet.

It's a common feature of myths (as found in the aforementioned Hero of a Thousand Faces, by Joseph Campbell) that the storm god always has to conquer some sort of sea serpent, and so in this tale, Marduk, the storm god is following in that tradition.

Other storm gods taking part in the traditional battle against sea serpents include

Zeus and Typhon (Greek)
Indra and Vritra (Indian Vedic)
Thor and Jormungandr, the Midgard Serpent (Norse)

Later on, the sea serpent became a dragon, and then you get stories like St George and Dragon.

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Posted by etm567 (here)

Can you tell us a story of the Earth's true history?

Gratefully,
ETM

How long have you got?

That's one hell of a question to take us way off topic, ETM, and so one for another time, I think. But thanks for dropping by.

[WhiteFeather]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by BestLion (here)
But The Annunaki were gods in ancient times in many cultures like the Hittites, Sumerians, Babylonians, and Ammonites. They as in religion in myth were god like human in nature. Often depicted as tall blonds.

When the shaman journeys through trance into other dimensions he meets beings who we call the spirits, and they are often in human form, and some are in the form of tall, blond human or humanoids. The ancient Sumerians didn't call the Annuna 'gods' and the ancient Indians didn't call the Aryans 'gods' That was just the word of the Oxford classics-trained translators in the early 20th century.

Even today, shamans draw or make models of their spirit guides, in the same way that the Sumerians and Greeks made statues of them.

The Oxford scholars borrowed this word from the classical Greeks who called the spirits 'Adonai' and this was translated by the scholars as 'gods'.

The spirits were eventually subsumed by religion, and eventually one God, known as monotheism, which was a way of barring the Gate to the Spirits (true meaning of the word Babylon) to the rest of us. Babylon, the Gate to the Spirits, was dismissed as a whore by Judaic priests who made themselves into intermediaries. Only they could talk to the spirits, while we ordinary people were locked out of such a self-empowering experience, for obvious reasons, while being fed stories about ordinary people who dared to venture into the Holy of Holies meeting instantaneous death unless they were one of the Levi priesthood.

So this is all about control and manipulation.

Eventually, the priests even forgot how to talk to the spirits themselves .. but luckily, the shamans are remembering.

Basically it was a show of suppressing spiritualism as well as control and manipulation. Its amazing what they didn't want souls to know. Great Insight Ishtar, Wanishi

[lightseeker]

Ishtar, I appreciate this thread you have started, it certainly has generated a lot of interest. I have read some of Z. Sitchin's books a while back, and have also read those who critic his thesis of the Annunaki and Nibiru, stating in many cases that Sitichin's translations of Sumerian Cuniform was incorrect or very libral at best. Nevertheless I have enjoyed his books very much. I have also read books wherein beings from other dimensions provide information through Shamans and priests in our ancient past. I take all this in with an open and enquiring mind, sometimes It can be confusing and very complex to try and understand what it all means and where humanity is heading. Personally I am glad that I was born in this time. I find this whole journey exciting and mysterious. I certainly don't have all the answers, I don't believe anyone does. However the journey we are all going through is certainly exciting.

[Ishtar]

As I woke this morning, my spirits told me to post this. I don't know why, but here goes.

My name is Ishtar, although I wasn't born with that name. I've undergone what's known on the shamanic path as a death/rebirth initiation, and was then given that name by my spirits. I was shown during the shamanic journey that in a previous lifetime, I'd been a priestess at the temple of Ishtar in Babylon and towards the end of my days, I was discarded, along with the other priestesses, because a new religion was sweeping the land which was much more patriarchal and one in which much of the wisdom would be lost or hidden.

When it had been originally built, the whole city of Babylon had been laid out according to the laws of sacred geometry which reflected the concept 'as above, so below'. In other words, it was laid out based on the number 864, because this is the sacred foundation number that reflects space and time. There are 8,640 million years in a day and night of Brahma and 86,400 seconds in a 24 hour day. That's why the numbers 8 and 64 crop up so often ~ 64 hexgrams in the i-Ching, 64 sections to the Eye of the Horus, 64 squares on a chess board etc etc. 64 is the atomic weight of copper which is the metal associated with Venus, previously known as Ishtar. Lord Shiva has 64 manifestations and there are 64 Dakinis in the Vedic Indian literature. 8 x 8 = 64, and so 88 is a very special number.

The eighth of the eight gates (88) of Babylon was Ishtar's Gate, dedicated to the goddess Ishtar and the holiest gate in Babylon. It would only be used on holy days when great processions would leave the city and pass through Ishtar's Gate to the ziggurat dedicated to Marduk.



The name Babylon was adopted by Greeks, but it was originally called Babilu which meant 'gateway to the spirits/gods'.

There were many guiding spirits in this holy City of the Gods and prime among them were the Anunnaki, and they were benevolent guiding spirits who the priests and priestesses accessed through what's known now as the shamanic trance.

There were spiritual initiations which took place across Mesopotamia, India, Egypt and Greece around that time which were known as the Mystery teachings. And it was at these initiations in the Mystery Groves, such as the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and Eleusis, that adepts learned how to contact the intra-dimensional spirits.

What follows now is an extract from a post on my blog about the Mystery teachings.

Over time, the Mystery teachings eventually became grand and enormous affairs, where hundreds or even thousands would come from far and wide on special festival times to be trained in what came to be known as the Mysteries. As you can imagine, with so many wanting initiations, it was difficult to manage the process properly, to make sure everyone got exactly the right training and were able to pass the initiation tests. And so it was decided to divide up the Mysteries, so that one Mysteries session would take place on the spring equinox and another on the autumn equinox.

Thousands upon thousands would flock from far and wide to attend the first event which was held at the Spring equinox, and which culminated in a mass baptism, or water initiation. Many of the outer initiation teachings would be given in the form of stories and plays that were in allegorical form, in other words, the true meanings were hidden. All of this was to prepare those who were ready for the Mysteries event proper, the fire initiation, which would take place on the autumn equinox.

These two events became known as the Lesser Mysteries and the Greater Mysteries. But only a Chosen Few made it through from the Lesser to the Greater Mysteries, where the true, inner meanings of the plays were revealed to the initiates. In other words, it was only at the Greater Mysteries that initiates were shown that these plays were allegories which had a dual purpose – as both a spiritual and an astronomical teaching. And it was the Greater Mysteries that they were finally introduced to the intra-dimensional spirits, like the Anunnaki.

At the Lesser Mysteries, to help people remember the names and qualities of all the various spirits or gods who were portrayed in the plays, the gods were moulded into models or statues. And their likenesses were reproduced and painted on to pottery.

This was the beginning of what’s known as the pantheistic religions.

Gods of Eleusis


Elaborate plays would be performed at the Lesser Mysteries. One of these plays featured a sun god who died and then rose again from the dead three days later, just as the Sun ‘died’, or reached the nadir of its course on its yearly cycle during the winter solstice, and then begins its journey north again three days later. This sun god became known through that part of world as Bacchus, Dionysius, Krishna, Horus, Atticus and Jesus.

By now, too, they had started to write down these same metaphorical astronomical stories on papyrus and vellum, and these were stored in great and famous libraries all over the world, like the one at Alexandria.

The Mysteries continued successfully for at least two thousand years, and for a long time, nobody knew about the secret teachings at the Greater Mysteries. This was probably because initiates were under threat of a death penalty if they revealed anything of what they’d been taught. (Plato was thought to be an initiate of the Mystery Schools and so was Pythagorus and Socrates before him. Socrates used to stand on one spot for hours, talking to the spirits.)

But because only those who were deemed ready were chosen from the crowds at the Lesser Mysteries for the rigours of the spiritual tests and trials and dangers of the Greater Mysteries, many left the Lesser Mysteries thinking that they’d been revealed the full teachings.

Now I’m sure you’ve heard of the expression, “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.” Or perhaps you’ve seen the Disney cartoon, The Sorcerer’s Apprentice?

Well, no-one’s quite sure how it happened, but happen it did. A small clique of those people who attended the Lesser Mysteries — or at least knew the stories that were told and performed at them — decided that they must be true, that the Sun god who had died and risen again, three days later, had been a real person who had once lived. Not only that, they also believed that this real dying and resurrecting godman was born in Nazareth thousands of years after the first one of these plays was ever performed.

Now most people at the time, on hearing this, were vastly amused and some of the philosophy schools in Rome even felt a bit sorry for this group. For one thing, they knew that ‘Nazarene’ was a Judaic rendering in metaphor for the Indian Naga or Nagerene, wise serpent teacher. But still, for hundreds of years, it stayed that way, with the small cult that believed in a real historical dying and resurrecting godman being regarded by everyone else as a harmless bunch of eccentrics who had misunderstood the metaphorical teachings. And this is exactly how it would have stayed if it hadn’t been for a power hungry emperor called Constantine....

So this is how the spirits became 'gods' and then eventually the gods became 'God' and Jesus the mythical Sun God became Jesus the real Son of God.

In the 20th century, statues of gods on plinths became spacemen, because the exploration of outer space was the great theme of that century and so the gods on plinths fell easily into that cognitive pigeon-hole. Science fiction writers, like L Ron Hubbard (who founded the Scientologists) were employed by the CIA to give us a new narrative about the universe. That was also the century when people began to see UFOs and spaceships, because we can only see what we want to see and are able to perceive according to how our brain synapses have been trained, through education either as a child or ongoing through the media. This is known as consensual reality.

The promotion of a certain consensual reality is part of social engineering and I believe that the seeds were sown for this social engineering when the patriarchy took over Babylon and that we are still reaping the whirlwind. So long as we're looking outwards to the stars for superior beings to arrive, we can't look inwards, and that's the point.

[Ria]

Ishtar I think this has been one of the best threads in many months. and your work ethic is admirable, and gives credibility.
I still hold an open mind to out side visitors. And yes there is a lot of noises and wild imaginings to contend with, and deliberate miss representation, I think you have done a grand job clearing up some of the nonsense but I would not throw out the baby with the bath water.
If I remember correctly there is a relief depicting space craft and airplane and other things uncovered in an Egyptian tome. Also just as you have done your Shaman journeys Others have done Therese. The advantage is you have been able to back up your work with tangible facts which is most appreciated.

[jcocks]

Well, one thing is for certain : Our history as a species is a real mess! We don't know the half of it!

To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if the space visitors became gods as the memories of the visits and our interaction with them faded... I think it's a bit of both - a bit alegorical, and a bit literal...and seperating that which is to be taken literally and that which is allegory is the hard bit.

Something clicked within me last year, and I suddenly saw that Jesus the son of god was a veiled reference to a sun god.... And, looking at references within modern music, I could see that we may very well move back to religion of sun worship in the future (Anyone heard of the band "Empire of the sun"? I'd reccommend their music if you're into that style...)....

And, looking at the beauty of the sun during sunrise, I could see a lot worse things to worship.....

[Deega]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Hi Deega,

If you refer back to my opening post, the conclusion would be that this knowledge is not incomplete as much as returning in a circle to what was known before but destroyed/hidden/suppressed by the ptb.

I think I also made it clear that I've worked with archaeologists for years who've had their work destroyed/hidden/suppressed by the ptb.

So I'm not a sucker for the establishment line.

But what i'm finding in trying to describe my view in this thread is that I'm up against some sort of pressure, and that pressure can only be described as the power of wishful thinking.

In other words, what I am against is the desire in some (and by no means all) to follow the line of making it up as we go along, and just believing in something because we like the sound of the story without applying any independent or critical judgement to it, and that way, we play straight into the hands of the psy-ops merchants.

But perhaps people would prefer to believe that the ancient texts describe people coming from outer space on spaceships rather than believe my proposition, that our ancient ancestors were better particle physicists than we are.

And I'm also not sure which proposition sounds the most incredible!

Thanks for your interest.

Thanks Ishtar,

My post was done to make a point, that people are constantly in a learning process and what is today will not be tomorrow, and what archeologists, anthropologists have discovered up to now will be modified in time with the continuous advent of Research and Technology.

I deeply feel that you cherish your position on the Annunaki and Nibiru, and I’m sending congratulations, and love be with you in your important pursuit.

I think that you have put a lot of work in this, no outside position should bother you in pursuing your goals.

All the best to you.

Deega

[conk]

No worry. Just jump up really high at the moment of impact. When you land it will all be over with. Make sure you land on Earth and not the other body or else you'll never eat at McDonald's again! Remember, they eat gold on other planets, not hamburgers.

[crested-duck]

Ishtar-I do not agree with Steve Quail on his religiuos beliefs either. I posted that link for the information in the Giants book on that site. I read the book and found it quite interesting, and pretty well researched. Burial mounds and skeletons have been found everywhere on earth, even not far from me here in USA. The extremely large skulls and brain capacity by far exceedes normal humans. I believe it's this large brain that gave the abilities to these creatures to understand sacred geometry and utilize sound frequencies to their intended purposes, such as building great monuments , and technologies we still do'nt understand much of their knowledge capabilities. Where they came from and what they were-who knows and who cares- the point is they were definately here sometime in our past and the evidence they left behind can only give us clues and not concrete answers. Not looking for argument here, just trying to clarify my actions for everyones benefit. My trip down the rabbit hole started with religion, and gave me more questions than answers. I realized early on, to find facts you have to study history from every point of view you can find, then try to connect the dots,and they do'nt connect at all very well with just using a limited one sided version of the story. I do also understand metaphor.

[Ishtar]

Crested Duck,

I agree with what you say. Knowledge has been fragmented and nowadays specialisation is the preferred academic route. Someone once said to me that specialists are people that know more and more about less and less.

On my forum, Ishtar's Gate, (which will be reopening soon, by the way) we were very keen to work in a multi-disciplinary way and the forum was/is set up accordingly, so that scientists can talk to rock art experts, and archaeologists can talk to shamans and anthropologists can talk to Bardic poets and so on...This, as I mentioned further up the thread, was how the knowledge used to be taught at the Mystery schools, with philosophy being taught next to science and astronomy next to geometry etc etc.

The story of man goes back about two million years at least (when the earliest tools were found ~ and by tools, I mean rocks sharpened to a point where they could act as tools). During those two million years, there have been all sorts of different builds and body shapes, and most with much larger heads than we have now on much taller bodies. Our forebears have been classified into different groups under the headings homo habilis, homo erectus, homo heidelbergis, the Neanderthals and more recently, homo denisovian was found. Most of these had skulls much larger than ours today.

Modern homo sapien sapiens (that's us) have been around at least 25,000 years, and we haven't changed an awful lot in that time, according to anthro-palaeontologists who study such things, except we have become what's known as 'gracialised', which is an euphemism for gradually becoming softer and more fragile as a species. This is probably mainly because our bodies are no longer honed by the rigours of a hunter-gatherer existence as we've become more and more sedentary as time has gone on.

However, scientists who've been studying whether there's a link between brain size and cognitive awareness have found that there is no link. It's not about size of skull shape, apparently. and it's not about how big your brain is... or how many synapses you've got.. It's about the quality of those synapses which, remember, are built according to what we've been taught. It's mainly about the ability to keep the right and left hemispheres of the brain in balance, by travelling freely, in our thoughts, through the corpus collasum which divides the hemispheres.



In recent millennia, we've moved increasingly into our left brain (writing, numbers, logical thought) and away from the right brain (intuitive ideas, painting, art, plays, metaphor). This is why people often make the erroneous statement that the Sumerian and Babylonian civilisations "came from nowhere" . They actually didn't. There were part of a long line of what's known as 'temple cities' which stretch back to the Ice Age. But why people think that they 'sprung from nowhere' was because they were the first to move away from the sole transmission of lore (and law) through oral means and they started to write it all down, by engraving cuneiform pictorograph letters on to clay tablets. The first writing was very picture-like, like hieroglyphics, because man still hadn't completely forgotten to use his right side brain. But we've been moving away from the right brain into the left brain ever since, and it is this brain imbalance that makes us less intuitive and less aware of other dimensions.

The shaman, when he journeys, crosses the Great Divide of the corpus collosam so that he can perceive reality in a more holistic way. He or she can make this journey with a small brain or a big brain ~ the size makes no difference because there is no link between brain size and intelligence, perception or wisdom. in other words, it's not how big it is, it's what you do with it that counts.

As for Homo erectus et al coming here on rockets from outer space ... well, they could have done, but it's just that there is no evidence for it.

[BestLion]

Modern homo sapien sapiens (that's us) has been around at least 25,000 years, and we haven't changed an awful lot in that time, according to anthro-palaeontologists who study such things, except we have bcome what's known as 'gracialised', which is an euphemism for gradually becoming softer and more fragile as a species. This is probably mainly because our bodies are no longer honed by the rigours of a hunter-gatherer existence as we've become more and more sedentary as time has gone on. Modern homo sapien sapiens (that's us) has been around at least 25,000 years, and we haven't changed an awful lot in that time, according to anthro-palaeontologists who study such things, except we have bcome what's known as 'gracialised', which is an euphemism for gradually becoming softer and more fragile as a species. This is probably mainly because our bodies are no longer honed by the rigours of a hunter-gatherer existence as we've become more and more sedentary as time has gone on.

I think MUCh longer then 25,000 years, Adams Calendar is dated to be 75,000 BC, Also I think mankind has changed, and not for the better, he has been devolving! I am sure from my study of what i could dig up on past civilizations "Pre-Atalantis or that time" These people were much more in touch with the spirit, the earth, the cosmos, then modern man today is. Also a civilization that build monuments like the great pyramids, and Puma Punku were much more technologically advanced then modern man today is. The true date of these sites is not 2,500 BC 'what modern geologist want us to think" but way before that! I am well familiar with ancient cultures like the dynasties in Egypt, and they did build Pyramids "the 3 crappy ones beside the great pyramids" these people did not in any means have the technology to build a megalithic building.
I'm more inclined of the theory of around 200,000 years ago races somehow came to earth..mainly 4 races. Aryans, Negroid, Asiatic, Mongoloid. How they got here I could only speculate. the Aryans seemed to be the cultural builders..Everywhere they went a civilization formed. And they were literally everywhere. Due to my dating on-mankind..this is why I don't believe in a DNA manipulation-Intervention theory.

[Ria]

To me this thread was not about Christ per say. and going there was taking it off topic. this could make another good thread.
Yes, I have read the thread, and this is an aside, regarding a later period. Further more just as there are multiple faiths views now, the same would of applied back then, and not every thing is bourn out of negativity.