David Wilcock calls James Martinez a hoax!

[Cartomancer]

This whole Wilcock thing is a steaming pile not worthy of our attention. This is like the fifth thread on this b.s. Then all's we do is sit around and say what a charlatan he is. Wilcock accusing this guy of being a fake is hilarious. Go look in the mirror (oh looks like edgar cayce, it must be him). The truth of all of this is out there for you to find out. Just look. Don't rely on Wilcock or Fulford. Dig in yourself and see what you come up with. Waiting to be spoon fed your facts and political views is not the way to go. Sure, listen to these people take the useful parts and keep on truckin' down the road.

The worst part of what these guys are doing is making us feel like there is a powerful group of people opposing the "cabal" so we will just sit on our rear ends waiting for 'them' to do something about it while we do nothing.

[Elixer]

I watched the interview with James and must say found it a bit 'funny'.
Regina also puts up a disclaimer before showing the interview and she has brought some far-out stuff in the past without any such disclaimers.

James says he brings good news and medicine for the planet, but speaks with regret all over his face and in his voice throughout. This may just be his personality, but it looks like possibly a guilty conscience. I don't know him or of him.
Regina then also mentions that the plan he announces seems to have to do with a global currency and that it does sound like a NWO type of thing. He counters that, but ineffectively so, in my view.

The fact that he has to read the statement also strengthens my position here. It makes it a bit of a 'scripted event'.
There are a few moments where he seems to be using some type of NLP. Saying the people he helped had 'no idea about money, zero' and he "had to basically reframe a person's concept, identity for long periods of time"
Lastly, there is no real concrete information. They mention that people might even find it vague, but that more information is forthcoming. So the only reason to bring this out now is to "initiate 2012 with some hope".

To me it looks possible that he was somehow forced to bring this out.
I think there is not enough information at this time to really be sure what is right, what is hoax, or at what level the lie is happening... so to speak.

I think in the aftermath of the DW breakdown situation, people might more easily (and blatantly) dissmiss anything he has to say and I'm not sure that is the way to go.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Bill I don't know if you have heard any of his work with Ion and Bob Nevritt.....Its great stuff and 'way out there' and although it goes against some of the info we discuss here
it somehow reasonates with me .......We are all 'wonderfull Human Creators' and about to reascend.....And loads more...Like all these views its up to all of us individually
to find our path ,but as with 'Cold Fusion' re ascending, the 'Guf' emptying, the Euro collapsing they have expressed a lot of things that should happen relitively soon???
So we are deffinately living in 'Interresting' times......Steve

This is his 1st jan 2012 show where he explains more about his announcement and reads it again at the end.......

http://www.achieveradio.com/archplay...-Cash_Flow.mp3

[Kristin]

I just watched the interview myself with James... I've got to say that it pushes my buttons in terms of a Global currency, however, I must retain my judgement until I can read the proposal that will hopefully be in front of us. Until that day, I will wait. Because something presses my buttons doesn't mean it's not worth looking at. I'll wait.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[joedjemal]

This whole thing, on both sides, reeks of manipulation.

There's no meat to it, no hard facts. As Gripreaper said it's all secret source he said, she said. Where's the hard data?

You can always tell the lies by the thinness of the back story. I don't believe a word of it and meanwhile in the real world the infrastructure that supports all of us is heading into cascading failure. This is a distraction. Plant your tomatoes this month for fruit by june.

[gripreaper]

One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small,
And the ones that mother gives you
Don't do anything at all.
Go ask Alice
When she's ten feet tall.

And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know you're going to fall,
Tell 'em a hookah smoking caterpillar
Has given you the call.
Call Alice
When she was just small.

When the men on the chessboard
Get up and tell you where to go
And you've just had some kind of mushroom
And your mind is moving low.
Go ask Alice
I think she'll know.
When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead,
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "off with her head!"
Remember what the dormouse said:
"Feed your head. Feed your head. Feed your head"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0

[Cidersomerset]

If 'Cold Fusion' is a reality and about to rolled out in the next six months or so as Dr.Rossi states in his interview with James last Thursday....
Then it must have been sanctioned from higher up , imho and if a cheap energy source can be found, then a new monetry system is
a more realistic reality...When James says the 'elites' are on board of course they are and they will still retain power,,,,Arms, food
corporations etc but hopefully it will be a start......



James Martinez show 1/1/2012 He talks about the interview.....

http://www.achieveradio.com/archplay...-Cash_Flow.mp3

He names some of the people who has helped him so far and guiding him on his path to date !!

It will take years for the infrastructure to be put in place around the world but this is the start !!!

Dr.Edmund Storms site...
http://pw1.netcom.com/~storms2/

If its B.S. he is setting himself up for a almighty fall.......



WHAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID AT THE START OF MY FIRST REPLY JAMES IS NO'HOAXER' IMHO....


P.S.....The bit I agree with is Free energy !!! Not TPTB still being in charge of a one world monetry system ....THEY STILL HAVE TO GO !!!!!....Steve

[araucaria]

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
This whole Wilcock thing is a steaming pile not worthy of our attention. This is like the fifth thread on this b.s. Then all's we do is sit around and say what a charlatan he is. Wilcock accusing this guy of being a fake is hilarious. Go look in the mirror (oh looks like edgar cayce, it must be him). The truth of all of this is out there for you to find out. Just look. Don't rely on Wilcock or Fulford. (...)

The worst part of what these guys are doing is making us feel like there is a powerful group of people opposing the "cabal" so we will just sit on our rear ends waiting for 'them' to do something about it while we do nothing.

Purely on a point of order:

This makes Fulford sound guilty by association. If you are attacking Wilcock, that is one thing, stick to it.

Leave Fulford out of it: the idea may be to get him tarred with the same brush.

Or if you like, attack Fulford on the basis of his own material - but don't mix the two.

[Nortreb]

Ground Crew Alert!
It will be interesting to see how the sand sits next year at this time!

Discernment! Discernment!

[Sabrina]

If you really listened to your gut reaction and heart - and let go of all the troll chitter chatter - what would you feel? Feels promising to me. But sadly Wilock raises a bit of a question mark and some ego. Give it time to breathe. Unless you don't want any of that freedom crap ....

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by joedjemal (here)
Plant your tomatoes this month for fruit by june.

Before the frost? I don't have my greenhouse done yet dagnabit!

[Jenci]

Posted by Sabrina (here)
If you really listened to your gut reaction and heart - and let go of all the troll chitter chatter - what would you feel?

Problem, reaction, solution.

They are selling the solution.
Are we buying?

Jeanette

[childs hood end]

Posted by Sabrina (here)
If you really listened to your gut reaction and heart - and let go of all the troll chitter chatter - what would you feel? Feels promising to me. But sadly Wilock raises a bit of a question mark and some ego. Give it time to breathe. Unless you don't want any of that freedom crap ....

all signs of hope feel promising, dont breathe to much` it will poison you



Problem, reaction, solution.

They are selling the solution.
Are we buying?

Jeanette[/QUOTE]

is it a sale of desperation or part of the plot ?

[gripreaper]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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On record: this (below) is the only time I've spoken with James Martinez. It was of the most enjoyable and interesting interviews I've done, and I was left with a great deal of respect for him.

http://projectcamelot.org/mediafiles...ember_2009.mp3

Bill, just listened to this original Camelot interview, and the "theme" which I come away with, is the utter disconnect that a certain segment of the creatures on this planet have from humanity and the soul makes it hard for an empathic human to grasp, and therefore the gulf between these two polarities is perpetuated, reinforced and magnified.

So, the context from which we view the "meme" of: Oh, there is this powerful counter-force which is going against this cabal and has the resources and the wherewithal to do so, not filtered through the context of the abject psychopathy of these nefarious elite, will most definitely miss the mark.

When people like Regina Meredith and David Wilcock show up as frontrunners and the chosen purveyors of a new dispensation, there is a disconnect here, which I believe Duncan O'Finian did a great job of illustrating, which is: Were NOT dealing with humans here who play nice, so don't send two doves into a den of vipers to negotiate an amicable settlement, FOR NO SUCH idea would even remotely resonate with these psychopaths!

It brings up red flags for me.

[BestLion]

D. Wilcox has a lot of good to say about UFOs, ancient cultures, religions, DMT, stuff on those lines but when he is getting into the economic and financial conspiracy stuff he is not helping his cause. He should stick with what he has been doing instead of dabbling into this conspiracy one world order stuff.

[Selene]

We interrupt this slanging match for a Reality Alert:

Why should anyone be surprised that there might actually be multiple groups, consortiums and financiers at work here in an open race to propose an alternative world economic system?

It’s no surprise that the Bretton Woods system is in deep trouble and collapsing. There are trillions and trillions of dollars at stake here – and nothing less than control of the world’s financial system.

Why should there be only one group grabbing for the Main Prize of all the financial power on the planet?

I’m surprised we’ve only identified two contenders so far. There will be others, for sure.

And per the 'lawsuit' : it's for a trillion friggin' dollars. Even a slim chance of winning would motivate almost anyone to take a chance on filing a relatively low-cost suit, wouldn't it? (I'll bet the lawyer here is working 'on contingency' - that is for free and a share of any award.... Duh.) Even if they negotiate an out-of-court settlement the potential profits mught still pay for their pizza. Remember, the legal recipient of the winnings is still only one private person, Keenan, not a public trust or government. Get a grip, friends.

Okay, back to today’s brawl…… :-)



Cheers,

Selene

[Cartomancer]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
This whole Wilcock thing is a steaming pile not worthy of our attention. This is like the fifth thread on this b.s. Then all's we do is sit around and say what a charlatan he is. Wilcock accusing this guy of being a fake is hilarious. Go look in the mirror (oh looks like edgar cayce, it must be him). The truth of all of this is out there for you to find out. Just look. Don't rely on Wilcock or Fulford. (...)

The worst part of what these guys are doing is making us feel like there is a powerful group of people opposing the "cabal" so we will just sit on our rear ends waiting for 'them' to do something about it while we do nothing.

Purely on a point of order:

This makes Fulford sound guilty by association. If you are attacking Wilcock, that is one thing, stick to it.

Leave Fulford out of it: the idea may be to get him tarred with the same brush.

Or if you like, attack Fulford on the basis of his own material - but don't mix the two.

That's a great point. For some reason I don't trust either one of them. I appreciate what they are saying in a historical context but something about it just makes me doubt they are being sincere. In a way I hope I am wrong because what Fulford is saying has a lot of facts to back it up. I just wonder why 'they' would pick a personage like David Wilcock to be their messenger? He's a smart guy and does what he does well but for this kind of situation it just seems odd. They picked a person whose main audience is conspiracy theorists, Edgar Cayce fans, UFO experts, and alternative thinkers. Just the demographic that would even consider this kind of story whether true or false.

Interestingly I was listening to Alex Jones the other day and a caller was asking him about Fulford. He said he was going to have him on the show and that he was aware of what was going on. It will be telling to see if AJ devotes any time to this and how he treats Fulford if he appears on the show.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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On record: this (below) is the only time I've spoken with James Martinez. It was of the most enjoyable and interesting interviews I've done, and I was left with a great deal of respect for him.

http://projectcamelot.org/mediafiles...ember_2009.mp3

Bill, just listened to this original Camelot interview, and the "theme" which I come away with, is the utter disconnect that a certain segment of the creatures on this planet have from humanity and the soul makes it hard for an empathic human to grasp, and therefore the gulf between these two polarities is perpetuated, reinforced and magnified.

So, the context from which we view the "meme" of: Oh, there is this powerful counter-force which is going against this cabal and has the resources and the wherewithal to do so, not filtered through the context of the abject psychopathy of these nefarious elite, will most definitely miss the mark.

When people like Regina Meredith and David Wilcock show up as frontrunners and the chosen purveyors of a new dispensation, there is a disconnect here, which I believe Duncan O'Finian did a great job of illustrating, which is: Were NOT dealing with humans here who play nice, so don't send two doves into a den of vipers to negotiate an amicable settlement, FOR NO SUCH idea would even remotely resonate with these psychopaths!

It brings up red flags for me.

Visual cue maybe.... ps don't skip the ad it's important too :

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Spw4QycSj4k

[gripreaper]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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On record: this (below) is the only time I've spoken with James Martinez. It was of the most enjoyable and interesting interviews I've done, and I was left with a great deal of respect for him.

http://projectcamelot.org/mediafiles...ember_2009.mp3

Bill, just listened to this original Camelot interview, and the "theme" which I come away with, is the utter disconnect that a certain segment of the creatures on this planet have from humanity and the soul makes it hard for an empathic human to grasp, and therefore the gulf between these two polarities is perpetuated, reinforced and magnified.

So, the context from which we view the "meme" of: Oh, there is this powerful counter-force which is going against this cabal and has the resources and the wherewithal to do so, not filtered through the context of the abject psychopathy of these nefarious elite, will most definitely miss the mark.

When people like Regina Meredith and David Wilcock show up as frontrunners and the chosen purveyors of a new dispensation, there is a disconnect here, which I believe Duncan O'Finian did a great job of illustrating, which is: Were NOT dealing with humans here who play nice, so don't send two doves into a den of vipers to negotiate an amicable settlement, FOR NO SUCH idea would even remotely resonate with these psychopaths!

It brings up red flags for me.

Visual cue maybe.... ps don't skip the ad it's important too :

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Spw4QycSj4k

Anyone else want to negotiate? LOL.

[jorr lundstrom]

Cidersomerset wrote:

P.S.....The bit I agree with is Free energy !!! Not TPTB still being in charge of a one world monetry system ....THEY STILL HAVE TO GO !!!!!....Steve

Well, when mad dogs state that they have decided to go for a diet

of strawberries, I get really scared. Jts like Rolling Stones in:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QGi-Eq5MBbg

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