David Wilcock calls James Martinez a hoax!

[Jenci]

Posted by childs hood end (here)
[Problem, reaction, solution.

They are selling the solution.
Are we buying?

Jeanette

is it a sale of desperation or part of the plot ?

I can't think why they would be desperate about anything.

As to a plot, well yes. It could be completely made up as a hoax to keep people distracted from what they are really up to.

Or it could hinting at what they would like to do. Although I have to say that when they used Mervyn King's name, Governor of the Bank of England, to suggest that there could be change because of his comments, I was very suprised.

In 1997 immediately after Tony Blair became PM, his Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown set up the Monetry Policy Committee and handed over government control of interest rates to the MPC and the Bank of England. Mervyn King was appointed to the MPC and later he became Governor of the Bank of England.

The significance here is that the Bank of England became independent from political control.

Gordon Brown later went on to become Prime Minister (just a personal opinion, he was the most unlikely PM ...and perhaps higher up the pyramid than Blair ever was)

Between 1997 and 2010, Gordon Brown, with his friend Mervyn King were in control of Britain's finance and those finances are a disaster. Gordon Brown is the PM who called for a New World Order to beat the financial crisis.

To this date, Mervyn King is still the Governor and has recently been knighted by the Queen to be Sir Mervyn King.

It would be nice to think perhaps he is one of the dark forces which are going to move into the light. I am more inclined that his recent comments are playing a role. I would be more sure of the fact that he will very likely end up getting a peerage and becoming a Lord with a seat in the House of Lords, when his role as Governor of Bank of England is complete.

Here's a video of Gordon Brown and his masonic handshake with King. Watch how Gordon pushes someone out of the way to get to King. How this man ever got to be Prime Minister He's another one who will become a Lord, that is for sure.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aiHnLBnogok

source:https://youtube.com/watch?v=aiHnLBnogok&featu

Jeanette

[Valley]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
The very idea that David Wilcock is like some secret secretary of state meeting with the heads of a 122 nation alliance .......whoooooo weeeeeeeeee..... omg.... stop stop ... can't stop laughing....

I can't wait to hear the next installment.... stay tuned folks cause surely this can't be guerrilla marketing for fan base, attention, power plays, or simple ego... on no, his message is too important. ROFPMP.... god I think I need to wear depends.

WoW, hold on a second. Why try to make so much fun of david wilcock? Are we beginning to lose our common decency and respect for fellow humans? At least we know about the law suit that has been filed, spoken of by David and Ben Fulford, that has been verified. This new Martinez fellow doesn't seem to have any evidence, factual evidence to follow up on which would support anything that he is saying... it seems like a bunch of hot air right now.

Trying to discredit someone by making fun of them is a long used tactic by those in positions of power, and bullies. Let's not turn this into an attack on a personal character, but instead let us observe the evidence closely and follow it as we go.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by Valley (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
The very idea that David Wilcock is like some secret secretary of state meeting with the heads of a 122 nation alliance .......whoooooo weeeeeeeeee..... omg.... stop stop ... can't stop laughing....

I can't wait to hear the next installment.... stay tuned folks cause surely this can't be guerrilla marketing for fan base, attention, power plays, or simple ego... on no, his message is too important. ROFPMP.... god I think I need to wear depends.

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
The very idea that David Wilcock is like some secret secretary of state meeting with the heads of a 122 nation alliance .......whoooooo weeeeeeeeee..... omg.... stop stop ... can't stop laughing....

I can't wait to hear the next installment.... stay tuned folks cause surely this can't be guerrilla marketing for fan base, attention, power plays, or simple ego... on no, his message is too important. ROFPMP.... god I think I need to wear depends.

WoW, hold on a second. Why try to make so much fun of david wilcock? Are we beginning to lose our common decency and respect for fellow humans? At least we know about the law suit that has been filed, spoken by David and Ben Fulford, that has been verified. This new Martinez fellow doesn't seem to have any evidence, factual evidence to follow up on which would support anything that he is saying... it seems like a bunch of hot air right now.

Trying to discredit someone by making fun of them is a long used tactic by those in positions of power, and bullies. Let's not turn this into an attack on a personal character, but instead let us observe the evidence closely and follow it as we go.

I'm really glad you noticed, we are making some headway here.

Well done...

Serenity

[gripreaper]

Posted by Valley (here)
This new Martinez fellow doesn't seem to have any evidence, factual evidence to follow up on which would support anything that he is saying... it seems like a bunch of hot air right now.

This "NEW" Martinez guy? Surely you jest.

Did you not see Bill Ryan's post? Did you listen to the Camelot interview? Did you listen to Martinez follow up radio show from last night? Have you listened to ANY of his interviews in the last few years on Conscious Media Network or elsewhere?

[Cartomancer]

Gotta love the song and the male energy:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6jaW5DtKxFE

[Kimberley]

Posted by Valley (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
The very idea that David Wilcock is like some secret secretary of state meeting with the heads of a 122 nation alliance .......whoooooo weeeeeeeeee..... omg.... stop stop ... can't stop laughing....

I can't wait to hear the next installment.... stay tuned folks cause surely this can't be guerrilla marketing for fan base, attention, power plays, or simple ego... on no, his message is too important. ROFPMP.... god I think I need to wear depends.

WoW, hold on a second. Why try to make so much fun of david wilcock? Are we beginning to lose our common decency and respect for fellow humans? At least we know about the law suit that has been filed, spoken of by David and Ben Fulford, that has been verified. This new Martinez fellow doesn't seem to have any evidence, factual evidence to follow up on which would support anything that he is saying... it seems like a bunch of hot air right now.

Trying to discredit someone by making fun of them is a long used tactic by those in positions of power, and bullies. Let's not turn this into an attack on a personal character, but instead let us observe the evidence closely and follow it as we go.

Thank you Valley!!!

Trying to discredit someone by making fun of them is a long used tactic by those in positions of power, and bullies. Let's not turn this into an attack on a personal character, but instead let us observe the evidence closely and follow it as we go.

[000]

Oh hai! Another Massive New Lawsuit appears in the wild.

DW dissenters, y0r kungf00 is lookin' weaker by the second. Talk is cheap, Data is priceless.



In all seriousness, you guys need to take things a little less personally. If information challenges what you already know, investigate it, don't diss it, or its messengers! Unless they be epic trollin' ya.

[andrewgreen]

Wilcox has pulled the same stunt as Fulford. Claimed his life to be in danger only to receive last minute help from people who are going to give him loads of top table top secret information.

[Valley]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by Valley (here)
This new Martinez fellow doesn't seem to have any evidence, factual evidence to follow up on which would support anything that he is saying... it seems like a bunch of hot air right now.

This "NEW" Martinez guy? Surely you jest.

Did you not see Bill Ryan's post? Did you listen to the Camelot interview? Did you listen to Martinez follow up radio show from last night? Have you listened to ANY of his interviews in the last few years on Conscious Media Network or elsewhere?

He is new to me. Perhaps you can fill me in on some key points?

[Lifebringer]

I like it here. I'm not ready to move yet, and I have friends here that work in a positive manor, even though others are purging negativity daily. Just part of the evolutionary process i guess. I too, have been in inner consciousness search and have had those waves of purging, asking myself, what am I thinking of that at this time for. Sometimes not even having a "lead up" to whatever negative wave memory it was from my childhood, and sometimes other lives I may have lived, as in this one, I don't remember doing it.

It's strange because we weren't taught about it or show the purpose of this school of human experience that God wants us to go through and graduate. We still have many miles to go on the reams of hidden info, that we have yet to see.

I wait with baited breath for the transition and transformation to begin, but I also am very interested in when i choose to go home, NOT leaving the corruptness of this world for our children and children's children.
I pray that those who have been causing the harm and murder of innocents be retired to whatever judgement God deems. WE have been in such a foggy bubble, that it is high time we started living as God intended us. That's to be in service to others and have a loving and compassionate heart and mind for your fellow neighbor/human and Universal Family.

[ezone]

Maybe this as something to do with the all scenario that is beeing set:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_7EjNDj97do

or this:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=shgGvpkUMp4

... comments welcome
Cheer's

[mountain_jim]

Posted by 000 (here)
Oh hai! Another Massive New Lawsuit appears in the wild.

DW dissenters, y0r kungf00 is lookin' weaker by the second. Talk is cheap, Data is priceless.

Attachment 12419

In all seriousness, you guys need to take things a little less personally. If information challenges what you already know, investigate it, don't diss it, or its messengers! Unless they be epic trollin' ya.

When reading this thread yesterday, I knew of this other lawsuit and thought about posting it here, as you later did. But since I was a bit irritated at another post above, and did not want to expend any more energy feeling this way or responding to such, that I just left the thread without contributing what I had learned to it. Glad you did.

[onawah]

The following is from Steve Beckow's site at:
https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&i...48e7c8266e10_5
I have issues with some of the info on Beckow's site, particularly some of the more "airy fairy" channeled info.
(See the thread at:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...237#post393237 )
But if his info is correct in the following (that the Monaco Accord group was not the origin of info that Martinez shared etc.) then this is worth considering, at least.

The James Martinez Video Was Not a Hoax

David Wilcock recently called the James Martinez video (1) a hoax. In a recent article, David wrote:

“The moderators informed me we are getting inundated with comments from people linking to a story on Conscious Media Network about someone claiming to represent an alliance of 130 countries that will be launching a new financial system.

“THIS IS A HOAX. I am now in direct contact with the top people organizing the 122-nation alliance we have been speaking of, as a consequence of getting deeply involved in investigating and writing about the lawsuit — and they told me this story is not true.” (2)

I asked Archangel Michael last night whether it was a hoax or not and he replied that it was not. It was a quiet announcement meant to demonstrate to those who await NESARA that things are happening.

Click here to view the embedded video.

I must add that David has reached his conclusion by asking members of the Monaco Accord whether it was genuine. They said that it did not originate with them. Contrary to what David alleges, no one has said that it did.

The fact that it did not originate with members of the Monaco Accord doesn’t make it a hoax.

Archangel Michael told us last night in An Hour with an Angel, that it neither originated with the Monaco Accord group nor was it a hoax. It originated with “a group – and it is a combination group – of star beings and human beings and, can we say, with our input [i.e., celestials], that is working together.”

Now of course people of an empirical-materialist or 3D persuasion will pooh-pooh the statement that something genuine can be said to originate with star beings and celestials. But I’d like to think that the readers of this site would not and would also not to be afraid to stand on their view of reality against those who can’t appreciate that there is more to life than meets the eye – including star beings and celestials.

You may recall that David said that calling the video genuine put members (I believe) of the Monaco Accord at risk. However no one here is saying that the video originated with them. How can it put them at risk? Even the dark knows that star beings and celestials exist. The Monaco Accord may not accept their existence but the dark is not so easily fooled.

Here are Archangel Michael’s remarks:

Steve: The James Martinez video has been called a hoax. For me it seemed like a quiet announcement of NESARA. Was it a hoax? A quiet announcement? Or something else? What was it?

Archangel Michael: It was a starting flag. It was not a hoax. It was a … very quiet announcement that things are moving. And it was done in a way that it was meant and intended to reassure people that things were under way.

That all the [??] that would need to be put in place cannot possibly be shared on a wide spectrum at this moment or it would cause complete chaos and collapse. It would cause more harm than good so it was done in this manner to give hope and encouragement and to say “It’s started.”

S: Well, the Monaco Accord group says it didn’t come from them. Who did it come from? Or can you say that?

AAM: It has come from a group – and it is a combination group – of star beings and human beings and, can we say, with our input [i.e., celestials] that is working together.

S: OK, I don’t want you to expose Earth allies or anything like that. That’s enough for me personally.

AAM: Why do you think this individual would expose himself this way? He has done so at great … not risk … but risk of ridicule of himself.

S: Yes, indeed.

AAM: But he has not faltered. He has gone forward.

S: I very much understand the kind of ridicule he places himself in the path of and I respect that. The Monaco Accord people, are they or are they not part of NESARA?

AAM: They waffle back and forth. So they have certainly been part of NESARA. There is some internal derision. There is some internal politics. We are very confident that, with the infusion of light that is being put there, that this will all be sorted out. (3)

There are those who will say I wasn’t speaking to Archangel Michael last night. Some have suggested that I’ve been hoodwinked into believing I’m speaking to an archangel when I’m not.

I’m fine with people holding that opinion. It isn’t one I hold. I’ve been working with mediums since 1977 and have written books on angels, cross-cultural spirituality, enlightenment, life beyond death, extraterrestrials, etc. There is nothing inside me that says I’ve been hoodwinked. Whether you believe that or not is up to you.

I’ve had offline discussions with David who believes that NESARA itself is a hoax. He feels it’s a scam designed to bilk money from the gullible. He cites as his proof articles like the Wikipedia treatment of NESARA.

The Wikipedia article spoofs the existence of St. Germaine, calls NESARA a cult, etc. The Wikipedia article is not reliable material, in my view. It’s ill-informed and does not admit the existence of the very beings that began NESARA. What useful information can we take from something founded in empirical materialism that looks at matters that transcend empirical reality? It would be like asking a blind man to describe color.

David also points to some scams that were run in the name of NESARA. People can run scams in the name of most anything and they do. As far as I’m aware, that doesn’t reflect on NESARA but on the people running the scams.

I don’t find David’s evidence on the subject compelling. I prefer Archangel Michael’s even if, like James Martinez himself, I open myself to ridicule from 3D thinkers for doing so. Nonetheless I feel safe in saying that, on the basis of what AAM has told me, which anyone also can listen to, the James Martinez video was a genuine first step in introducing NESARA to the wider population and preparing them as part of a graduated program for the arrival of NESARA at an unannounced date.

Again I remind you that my disagreeing with David does not detract from the fact that I hold David in the highest respect. There are very few lightworkers who have contributed as much to our knowledge as he has. It just means that we don’t agree on this issue.

The James Martinez video was not a hoax. It did not originate with the Monaco Accord group. And it does relate to and foretells the coming of NESARA.
Footnotes

(1) James Martinez Video in “New Global Economy,”Conscious Media Network, January 1, 2012, at http://www.cmn.tv/news/new-world-currency/

(2) “Tough Assignment and David’s Latest on Divine Cosmos,” at http://the2012scenario.com/2012/01/t...divine-cosmos/

(3) An Hour with an Angel, Jan. 2, 2012, at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/an-hour-with-an-angel

[Zillah]

Regina Meredith: More Thoughts on Global Economic Restructuring
Conscious Media Network, 01-03-2012

http://www.cmn.tv/blog/more-thoughts...restructuring/

When we were approached to post this statement, we understood that it would be like blowing smoke in the beehive of the alternative news communities but we had a gut reaction to go ahead with it.

Many of the comments about the video were concerned that we are all being conned. Perhaps. Many others were justifiably critical that there are few details involved in the statement. As far as I know, the statement was designed to simply put the concept out that our monetary and economic systems are crumbling and that something has been built underneath in its place.

As I mentioned in the video, I spent some time speaking with the person who drafted the statement and they pointed out that there would be a great deal of public education that would follow in attempting to explain this new economic/business model in which “individual meritocracy” would be the goal.


Here is the definition that was given:

“Meritocracy, as it is applied to the new system, is an ideology of the system and it is an intended, individualized result.

This is not meritocracy as that term may be understood in a political sense, but is more a type of approach to enterprise administration (economic, socio-economic, humanitarian) that provides the best tools and capital for individuals/groups/NGO’s/SME’s and so on to excel and to thrive. Individualized meritocracy is what results from this approach.

For example, the removal of capital constraints coupled with greater access to external support mechanisms can enable many people to develop, implement and fund cogent plans to achieve optimum sustainable results in their personal lives and in almost any field of endeavor. It is the achievement of the highest levels of one’s individual performance – unleashed potential.

That’s just a part of the new system by the way. It goes well beyond that.”

We can read ‘New World Order’ into this if we choose, but we have no evidence whether or not this is another of their plans to enslave humanity. I can only say that the “feeling” I got when speaking with the man was one of genuineness, pragmatism and openness. This isn’t to say I can’t be fooled, but there was no glitz, no premature promises, just a clear position of intent that he assured me is backed up by many powerful people.

We are quick to point fingers but no-one seems to be working on a viable solution other than people like Michael Tellinger and his Contributionism Party in South Africa, or Michael St.Clair’s Radiant Zones.

That people are skeptical is completely understandable particularly with a heinous act such as the NDAA that Obama signed into law the same day as this announcement. But when does the time arrive that we dare to accept that something profound, even beautiful, can happen? Are we so beaten down by fear and anger that beauty and prosperity is no longer a part of our inner yearning? We are the creators of our experience. It would certainly seem to be to our advantage to give those people behind this message time to prove it. What do we have to lose except the fear that we are being made fools of? It wouldn’t be the first time. What are we gaining in holding on to our guarded, finger-pointing, defeatist beliefs that we are being ‘controlled’ by others and will be succumbing to even more control in the future?

I have had private conversations with individuals that have intelligence from the inside that there is noticeable in-fighting within these wealthy families and within governments. We are moving into a cosmic energetic alignment that will not allow for the old patterns to continue. Listen to our interview with Jessica Murray on this.

Furthermore, I have also come to understand that the true elite, the wealthiest people on the planet, are not known to any of us. We can only guess at, and project, what their role is in this. Is it fair to assume that they all wish to see humanity suffer? That is a naive assumption on our part. Bob Neveritt speaks of this in our wild ride of an interview this month in the Radio section.

Being an admitted optimist, I personally feel a sense of change in the air. I feel as though some invisible doors have been opened to the human race for new opportunity. If the message on Global Economic Restructuring is truthful, we may just be pleasantly surprised at what life on this planet might look like in the near future.

[Zillah]

Just a quick thought regarding David Wilcock's position in all of this, his blatant finger pointing when he was just under horrible scrutiny for his "outcry" --

When Fulford, or Wilcock or whomever announces they are in contact with the elite, THE ELITE - the people on top of it all - it loses me right there and I'll tell you why...

If I was truly on top of this game, or had the ultimate say as a global or universal elitest/higher power/whatever - do you think for one moment I would reveal myself? Most certainly not to David Wilcock (and please I mean no offence).

Too much information too soon, in the wrong hands or in too many hands will kill any plan. This is why I believe this "annoucement" came so bare bones - do you think we're ready to know all just yet? Look at how we're handing ourselves so far - quarreling and in full fear that we might be dooped. Its why we're getting only pieces so far, humans like to pick at things to death before it can even manifest itself!

If I do know anything about secrecy and how life-changing plans and systems work - no one ever truly knows who is ON TOP and I feel its ignorant and arrogant to admit to this. This is why I feel Wilcock nor Fulford has all the information as stated. This is also why I feel its so important to not rest our eggs in only one basket - our answers will be found scattered throughout the field, and its our job to number 1) remain open 2) never say something is BS, because we simply DO NOT KNOW yet so anything can be possible as ludicrous as it sounds 3) align to the outcome we wish to experience. Its time we start visualizing what we see fit for our Earth and collectively this will come to pass. Lets get our god-hats on already - I dont want to be called "little people" anymore

The good news is, under all of the semantics, We - Fulford, Wilcock, Martinez and others are pretty much talking about the SAME THING. Strip away the details, and look at this like how we look in History - the same thing is called by many different names. Are we vast enough to See this, I believe so!

[mountain_jim]

I appreciate the latest contributions to this thread for some other POVs on this story.

[joedjemal]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by joedjemal (here)
Plant your tomatoes this month for fruit by june.

Before the frost? I don't have my greenhouse done yet dagnabit!

Indoors in a warm room on a window sill. I plant mine in my bender, they do fine.

Or you can build a hotbed with raw horse manure in the garden, I'll get mine going in a few weeks. I can germinate tropical plants in the snow in those.

[thewebkid]

Posted by Valley (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
The very idea that David Wilcock is like some secret secretary of state meeting with the heads of a 122 nation alliance .......whoooooo weeeeeeeeee..... omg.... stop stop ... can't stop laughing....

I can't wait to hear the next installment.... stay tuned folks cause surely this can't be guerrilla marketing for fan base, attention, power plays, or simple ego... on no, his message is too important. ROFPMP.... god I think I need to wear depends.

WoW, hold on a second. Why try to make so much fun of david wilcock? Are we beginning to lose our common decency and respect for fellow humans? At least we know about the law suit that has been filed, spoken of by David and Ben Fulford, that has been verified. This new Martinez fellow doesn't seem to have any evidence, factual evidence to follow up on which would support anything that he is saying... it seems like a bunch of hot air right now.

Trying to discredit someone by making fun of them is a long used tactic by those in positions of power, and bullies. Let's not turn this into an attack on a personal character, but instead let us observe the evidence closely and follow it as we go.

Seriously, I agree. You guys are acting like a bunch of kids on the playground trying to make Wilcock into your emotional pinata. Let's get back to some behavioral intelligence. This kind of emotional bullying really pisses me off. This is very very surprising behavior from you guys. It's very primitive and not what I want to see in this forum at all. I am really embarrassed to be associated with this kind of crap.

Back to digging for facts and truth and kindness.

[CdnSirian]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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On record: this (below) is the only time I've spoken with James Martinez. It was of the most enjoyable and interesting interviews I've done, and I was left with a great deal of respect for him.

http://projectcamelot.org/mediafiles...ember_2009.mp3

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• James Martinez was a business colleague and close confidant of Walter Bowart - the author of the groundbreaking, whistleblowing book Operation Mind Control published back in 1978.

This is a fabulous audio interview which will be of enormous interest to all who (like myself) benefited greatly from Bowart's seminal work. We learned from James how Bowart, who died two years ago, in many ways 'regretted' having written the book - and how he had had profound ET contact: something never before revealed, and which he had been unwilling to talk about when he was alive. We learned of his philosophy, his hope for the human race, and his awareness of the importance of the expansion of consciousness. James summed it up by stating that for Walter, it was all about the liberation of the Human Spirit. Amen.

For the 8,000 word detailed synopsis of Walter Bowart's important unpublished work, THE INVISIBLE THIRD WORLD WAR, please click here.

Eek. I need to read through this whole thread so far again. I have listened to the Martinez interview and will listen again...time is difficult right now.

I met Walter Bowart way back and had the opportunity to talk to him between radio interviews he was giving, on a tour. Many years later I was interested to see he was continuing to expose the underhanded stuff. I was sad to read about his death and hear Martinez talk about him. So I really don't remember a lot of the details he discussed.

Again, a volume of detail to review. Hanging in...

[CdnSirian]

Indeed I will have to come back to this later. Way too much.