Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[Ria]

If Anu represent a divine benign presents back in the Babylonian times anything between 10,000 - 3,500 bc.
Assuming that Babylon operated on a higher level and devolved into a time of disrepute.
Derived from the word Anu and much spin and miss translation we have Anunnaki.
Assimilating the word Anu imply a need to represent ones self as higher minded more knowledgeable.
So who would take on this coat, and who did take on this coat, to mould them self's into the Anunnaki of to day.

[kersley]

Posted by Ria (here)
If Anu represent a divine benign presents back in the Babylonian times anything between 10,000 - 3,500 bc.
Assuming that Babylon operated on a higher level and devolved into a time of disrepute.
Derived from the word Anu and much spin and miss translation we have Anunnaki.
Assimilating the word Anu imply a need to represent ones self as higher minded more knowledgeable.
So who would take on this coat, and who did take on this coat, to mould them self's into the Anunnaki of to day.

I think you'll find the answers to your questions in Alan Alford book. When the Gods returns....
In the book we read..

At the heart of it was the Creator-God and the myth of creation. In each of the key cities, a Great God and a Great Goddess personified the powers which had brought the Universe into existence. In Eridu, the God was called Enki (or Ea); in Ur, the God was called Nannar (or Sin) and the Goddess was called Ningal; in Lagash, the God was called Ninurta (or Ningirsu); in Uruk, the God was called An (or Anu) and the Goddess was called Inanna (or Ishtar); in Nippur, the God was called Enlil and the Goddess was called Ninlil; and in Sippar the God was called Utu (or Shamash).

Originally, each of these Gods would have been the Creator in his own right. But in later times they formed a pantheon, headed by Anu, in which each deity became specialised: Enki as the god of the subterranean sea (Apsu), Nannar as the Moon-god, Inanna as Venus, Enlil as the sky-god, and Utu as the Sun-god. There were numerous other Gods too, such as Nergal and Erra who became gods of the underworld, and a multiplicity of Goddesses who were generally identified with Mother Earth.

The Sumerian myth of creation begins with a cataclysm in the sky. The God or the Goddess, portrayed as a Great Mountain, explodes into fragments and rains down upon the primeval Earth. As a result, the Mountain of Heaven, personified by the God, impregnates the Mountain of Earth, personified by the Goddess, with his seed.

In the Sumerian poem ‘Dispute between Summer and Winter’, we read:

Enlil, the king of all the lands, set his mind.
He thrust his penis into the Great Mountain (HAR.SAG)...
Summer and Winter, the fecundating overflow of the land, he poured into the womb.
Wheresoever Enlil would thrust his penis, he roared like a wild bull.
There, HAR.SAG spent the day, rested happily at night,
Delivered herself of Summer and Winter like rich cream...



The Sumerians tells a tale of gods coming to earth from the skies with fire, these were not flesh and blood gods but meteorite and fire balls falling to earth from an exploded planet.
Again the enuma elish tells the same tale..

[Aetheric Traveler]

Ria,

There has been mention several times of Nebiru not being a planet. The reasoning used is that it is referred to as a city in the ancient texts.

I like to consider possibilities when faced with uncertain sources and interpretations because there is too much unknown to label a piece of information as "singular" when in the art and science of language there is so much plurality.

As such, one must consider several possibilities including the ones that there was/is a City of Nebiru and a Nebiru planet as well. Wouldn't people who are honoring their ancestors/progenitors/current relatives do so by naming their city after a planet? Simply because of plurality in language, there is the chance that both exist/existed. I hope you appreciate the plurality in the typing, too!

I do not have enough information to assume one without the other at this point and I'm not criticizing or challenging, only pointing out alternatives to the "one or the other" type of limitation in thinking. As an outside the box thinker, I consider the box, the outside, the inside and the places I can't see that I know must have existed because the box had to come from somewhere. I also don't assume that just because I see a box, that a forest I haven't seen, got cut down somewhere. Corrugated cardboard boxes can be made out of any source of fibrous material, including grass clippings from one's own front lawn. Following convention is a sure way to miss out on many great details and discoveries.

One of my favorite "smash the convention" examples is egyptologists insistence that the Great Pyramid of Giza was named after the Pharaoh Khufu. His names are translated as "the Dawn", the Golden Dawn" etc, depending on how they are used. My research shows that the pyramid was built before his reign, which highly suggests the pharaoh was named after the pyramid which was there before him, instead of the other way around. Egyptologists never seem to consider this possibility to refute their convention that Khufu built the Great Pyramid because their names are the same. Certainly, it would force them to alter their viewpoint of who and when the pyramid was built. They even have solid proof in written history that says when the Pharaoh Khufu came to reign that he made extensive repairs to the pyramid, which proves it was there before him, but they seem to hide this information with tenacity and simply ignore anyone who brings it up.

The next couple decades on planet Earth are going to show some real revelations in the world of knowledge, suppressed history and amazing facts.

Cheers,
AT

[Ria]

Kersley, thank you for the info will look out for the book.
Aetheric Traveler, I see your piont and theirs much to look forward to.

[Ishtar]

Hello all, I'm back from my rest and raring to go again. I can see there's been some fascinating posts in my absence, and it looks like the lovely Ria kept the show on the road, so thanks for that, Ria!

I've just replied the following to ETM in another thread, and asked them, if they want to discuss it, to come over to this thread, so we can keep everything in the same place. ETM said that Sitchin hadn't mentioned anything about the Anunnaki being ETs or Nibiru being a planet in the six Earth Chronicles books that he/she read, and so I replied as follows:

Etm, you're in the thread that was pulled out from the main one, but anyway, to answer your points... you said you'd read six of the Earth Chronicles but it's in his 1976 eponymous TheTwelfth Planet that Sitchin makes his claim that Nibiru is in fact the 12th planet. He says that it's an undiscovered planet behind Neptune, and it makes a long, elliptical orbit which brings it into our solar system every 3,600 years.

The planet associated with Marduk was the one we call Jupiter.

But my main objection ~ apart from there being no evidence for Anunnaki living on a planet outside our solar system and also that it is never mentioned in the Sumerian texts ~ is summed up perfectly by one of my favourite authors, William Irwin Thompson.

What Sitchin sees is what he needs for his hypothesis. So figure 15 on page 42 is radiation therapy, and figure 71 on page 136 is a god inside a rocket-shaped chamber. If these are gods, why are they stuck with our cheap B movie technology of rockets, microphones, space-suits, and radiation therapy? If they are gods, then why can't they have some really divine technology such as intradimensional worm-hole travel, antigravity, starlight propulsion, or black hole bounce rematerializations? Sitchin has constructed what appears to be a convincing argument, but when he gets close to single images on ancient tablets, he falls back into the literalism of "Here is an image of the gods in rockets." Suddenly, ancient Sumer is made to look like the movie set for Destination Moon. Erich Von Däniken's potboiler Chariots of the Gods has the same problem. The plain of Nazca in Peru is turned into a World War II landing strip. The gods can cross galactic distances, but by the time they get to Peru, their spaceships are imagined as World War II prop jobs that need an enormous landing strip. This literalization of the imagination doesn't make any sense, but every time it doesn't, you hear Sitchin say "There can be no doubt, but..."

[Ishtar]

There are several posts either on or hovering around this point, so hopefully this post will answer all of them.

One poster asked whether I believed in ETs at all, but what I believe is not at issue here. I can believe anything I like and it may or may not be true. I do believe that in such a huge and infinitely expanding universe among probably an infinte number of huge and infinitely expanding universes, it would be incredible if we were completely alone, and not likely.

But this thread is called "An examination of the Anunnaki and the planet Nibiru" because I want to examine what is actually known about both subjects and what can be verified, and by establishing what can be verified, we can go beyond mere belief, or at least provide some solid ground for our beliefs.

Of course, as somebody else mentioned, ancient myths had multiple meanings, and actually this has been a major strand of my own thesis, that mythology (and that includes the Bible in my opinion) should not be read literally because they are stories full of allegory and metaphor. So I accept Niburu could have meant 'planet' but by the same token, it could have meant any kind of place ... a field, a hill, a temple, a rolling landscape, a sun, a star, a house, a brothel.... it could mean anything we want it to mean .... that's my point.

So unless a translator of Sumerian can come up with a reason for why he thinks it means 'planet' ~ and not a single one has~ then we have no reason to believe that it is ... and ESPECIALLY as Sitchin did keep saying that his references for which bits of the Sumerian text referred to Nibiru were in the books, when they plainly weren't.

This means that there is no evidence that any Sumerian scholars have found for Niburu being a planet and the only who insisted that it was lied about that, and so many other things, by claiming that these ideas in his books were referenced, showing the appropriate text. So I'm unlikely to trust anything else this man has to say, particularly as he was a high level Freemason.

[Ishtar]

Posted by Ria (here)
If Anu represent a divine benign presents back in the Babylonian times anything between 10,000 - 3,500 bc.
Assuming that Babylon operated on a higher level and devolved into a time of disrepute.
Derived from the word Anu and much spin and miss translation we have Anunnaki.
Assimilating the word Anu imply a need to represent ones self as higher minded more knowledgeable.
So who would take on this coat, and who did take on this coat, to mould them self's into the Anunnaki of to day.

That's a good summing up of where we're at, thanks Ria.

I think what we need to know, in other words, was when did spirituality (getting guidance from spirits) turn to religion (getting guidance from priests who claimed to be the only ones capable of being in touch with spirits and therefore becoming intermediaries.)?

I have my suspicions about the advent of agriculture, and the solar priesthood.

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Posted by Ria (here)
Mercury, The idea that a large mother ship, has come up in a number of places, so I concur on that one. what I find mind boggling is that they can be the size of planets, i.e. like earth.

Again, it's just an idea. What's the evidence for it?

[Aetheric Traveler]

William Irwin Thompson is "On Point" in his literalism about the difference between spaceship travel and rocketry.

The unfortunate problem with Sitchin and Von Daniken is that neither of them are familiar with anti-gravity propulsion concepts. Nassim Harramein wasn't around to school them in the basics of magnetic field manipulation the way Harramein does today with lay audiences, and to be sure, even Nassim has to speculate quite a bit. It's so sad that Sitchin and Von Daniken couldn't make the observation that a depicted open cockpit aerial craft is for intra-atmospheric travel only and certainly not outside the planet's atmosphere into space. What they have done is open people's minds a bit, while discrediting the idea of space travel somewhat by not presenting it properly.

This is a problem with even open-minded people like Harramein. In one of his lectures on the artifacts from South America showing many types of spaceship/travel diagrammatics, he points to a Faster Than Light (FTL) vehicle inside a conical shaped diagram and says he thinks it might be a spaceship using the magnetic field of a comet. Sometimes people should keep conjecture type statements like that with little substantiation, out of a lecture. His points on so many other parts of the spaceship equation are very good, but he hasn't stopped to consider all of the practical necessities of FTL travel.

Regardless whether you are an Annunaki returning to Earth from a faraway galaxy, FTL travel requires magnetic field manipulation of the highest order. Any advanced magnetic field propulsion schema must take into account that a speck of dust in the flight path will penetrate a ship's hull like an explosive bullet. The conical shaped "field" in Harramein's "comet" diagram is (IMHO) a graphic depiction of the "Repulsor Field" shape ahead of the vehicle required to move small particles out of the way at light speeds. Inside the diagram there are "force lines" and this pretty much gives away the idea of the drawing. There are many pictures in his video presentation that show advanced manipulation of the "Unified Field" by FTL craft.

Annunaki are still an enigma because of the lack of definitive evidence that people can agree upon. If they are indeed an advanced race of human-like beings, they are probably well versed in FTL travel, Free-Energy, Zero-Point Unified Field Energetics, etc.

The greatest challenge to getting the facts straight is that there are so many different "puzzle boxes" with the box top pictures missing and the pieces have all been scattered around the world and mixed up together so the pieces of one puzzle picture are being wrongly inserted into the pieces of another box top picture and "force fitted" to make theories acceptable. Although the pictures are all related, they are still separate individual parts that make up a whole. My idea is that the pictures will "sort out" the pieces when correctly sifted and the pictures then will form a comprehensive BIG picture once assembled in their entirety. Til then,....... brilliant minds are going to be stumbling around in the dark with a candle dripping hot wax on their fingers, finding interesting things, but going OUCH!!! a lot.

Just my take on things,
Cheers,
AT

[Ishtar]

Great post, thank you, Aetheric Traveller.

I'm wondering if the cognitive leap will come when we reailse that intra-dimensional travel (which requires no rockets or any other means of propulsion apart from the power of intention) is somehow holographically related to a kind of extra-terrestrial travel which also doesn't need any form of spaceship. And I also wonder if it's the case that we cannot realise that until some sort of tipping point is reached with those that do ID travel, like shamans and mystics?

This is pure speculation ... but I sort of had this half-realisation during the course of this thread, which also should indicate to everyone that I haven't set out with a pre-established idea that I want to force on others, but that I'm genuinely interested in this whole subject area, but would like a more holistic, macrocosm/microcosm, 'as above so below' approach because I believe that the ID component to it has so far been overlooked.

[Aetheric Traveler]

Thanks, Ishtar,

I'm very glad to see you didn't leave after getting assailed. I'm still pretty new to PA, but recognize a good mind when I see it. Your posts are inspiring and have great potential to cause one to re-examine one's own beliefs to ferret out the dust bunnies that gather in the corners and pass for living, breathing facts.

I don't think your idea of travel without spaceships is speculation at all. There have been many adepts, Avatars, etc, who have left definitive evidence it is not only possible, but a fact. Satya Sai Baba of Puttaparti was well known for Bi-Locating. If he travel in two places at once on this planet, who's to say it wasn't dimensionally or galactically also?

My own idea is that there are all levels of awareness and ability. Some people required interdimension crafts to travel, while other highly spiritally advanced beings would look at those in spaceships and say, Novice!!!, albeit quite humbly and without judgement, of course. :>)

Cheers,
AT

[Ishtar]

Yes, I spent many months in India at Sathya Sai Baba's ashram and then when I came back to the UK, he bilocated into my house several times.

When I was in India, Sai Baba would only communicate with me telepathically and so I was forced to learn that skill if I wanted to communicate with him. However, he made it very easy because he just looks at you and then just 'downloads' his thoughts into your head. It was also a much better way of getting my questions answered. Because he was inside my head, he could see not just the question, but all the hopes, fears and misconceptions that lead to the question, and so could give me a fuller and more effective answer.

I never learned to be telepathic with anyone else, though. Just him.. even now, after he left his body last Spring, he still sometimes talks to me.

[Ishtar]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by BestLion (here)
i do tend to think this race of Annunaki are real beings. Who were very smart..likely had a 200 IQ..First Aryans tend to have about a 120 IQ and , Asians 105 IQ, Africans about 80 IQ..

Bestlion, the statements that you are making, including your previous statements about African people being ruled by people who were not African - and being only labors as if that precludes any quotient of human intelligence - are so full of racist conceptions and underlying suppositions that I've been boggled in my consideration about how to even approach it in the context of this discussion. So I will suffice it to state that as we discuss "pseudo-science", some of it when stated as fact does more to hinder understanding than it does help understanding. It would probably be more useful to Ishtar's original thesis to attempt to take the middle ground and speak to the highest attainments and aspirations of humanity rather than engaging in racist tropes such as the above that are based upon statistical manipulations and culturally biased testing methodologies. Also, in the area of archeology, you might want to consider the same when looking to the rulership of peoples across the world, the original, non-racial meaning of words such "Aryan" and considerations that race was not the same back then as it is now, when people potentially genetically altered by extra-terrestrials did indeed have different geneologies or come from stock that originated elsewhere.

This is A DIFFICULT TOPIC TO TALK ABOUT, as I see in the progression of this thread. but necessary, to get to a better understanding.

Rahkyt, my apologies for missing this post and not responding sooner. At the time it was posted, the thread was moving pretty fast and I was skim reading a lot of posts, with a view to noticing those in which I was asked to comment.

I entirely agree with you that BestLion's theories in this regard are utterly out-dated and actually racist, although I'm sure she isn't herself, and has just got swept along on some outdated views which bear no relation to what we know today about IQs. BestLion, I notice you haven't replied. If you'd like some help with the latest research, please either ask myself or Rahkyt, and we'll steer you in the right direction.

Rakhyt, do you think it would benefit our thinking about the Sumerians and the Anunnaki if you were to clarify your views further?

[Ishtar]

Posted by kersley (here)

In the Sumerian poem ‘Dispute between Summer and Winter’, we read:

Enlil, the king of all the lands, set his mind.
He thrust his penis into the Great Mountain (HAR.SAG)...
Summer and Winter, the fecundating overflow of the land, he poured into the womb.
Wheresoever Enlil would thrust his penis, he roared like a wild bull.
There, HAR.SAG spent the day, rested happily at night,
Delivered herself of Summer and Winter like rich cream...

There is also a Celtic mythological dispute between Summer and Winter, and it's the view of an archeaoastronomer friend of mine that it is an astronomical battle between the constellations visible in the winter months giving way to the constellations that dominate the skies in the summer months, and then vice versa when winter comes round again.

In the Welsh Mabinogion, the hero Pwyll has to fight the Lord of Summer on behalf of Gwynn, the Lord of Winter and ruler of the Underworld.

There is much besides this to show that so many myths came from the same 'pool' when all the Indo-European tribes and those of the Dene Caucasians were gathered together in Siberia and Central Asia just after the last Ice Age, before migrating south to Mesopotamia, India, Greece and Egypt and west to Europe.

It is also further evidence that the myths are much older than Sumer.

[Ria]

I look at a whole cross section of stories and information. So yes I do think there are supper sized mother ships out there I would go far as to say that, the story of the ark, most likely was in-fact a mother ship. Further more, there have been many photos, films, popping up all over the net showing planet like things, that come and go. If my memory serves me there are more than one ark story?
Most indigenous cultures have a history which includes ships coming from the skies all over the world including South America, Africa, Australia etc. Their is quite a pre-fusion of this type of info from seemingly unconnected sources.
Yes, Ishtar is correct with regard to inter-dimensional travel and Traveler is also, just different ways of doing it. Hopefully soon we will be doing all, in the not to far off future.
Ishtar When did the Solar priesthood apper on the sean?
Is it possible that the priesthood could of been infiltrated by a negative ET?

[Mark]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Rakhyt, do you think it would benefit our thinking about the Sumerians and the Anunnaki if you were to clarify your views further?

Body intelligence is an indication of mental intelligence. People speak of Africans and others of African-descended folk around the globe and make generalizations about physicality and a lower intelligence quotient that have absolutely no bearing upon reality. Generally speaking, now, in educational circles, there are considered to be 8 intelligences with everyone expressing varying degrees of each in their own lives. To be in contact with one's body and able to control it to a great degree - to be physically rather than cerebrally-expressive in culturally contextual ways - is not a sign of lesser intelligence in any way, shape or form.

As this pertains to the discussion at hand, the potential genetic manipulation of the Anunnaki had to occur within the context of creating a worker who was strong enough and smart enough to do the work of Mining and, eventually, Farming, Pastoral work, becoming - inevitably from those beginnings - the inheritors of civilization. All humans possess some combination of blood type that is within the ABO or MN families. A, AB, B, O, rh positive, rh negative. This includes people all across the globe From Europe to Meso-America. The Great Apes, Chimpanzees (A, sometimes O, never B), and Gorillas (B, sometimes O, never A) share these relationships which may indicate some interrelation not necessarily as a descent-from relationship as is implied by Darwin's almost totally refuted theory of human evolution, but as a failed or degenerated genetic experiment that was simultaneous to the creation of the Adam and its subsequent genetic manipulations. Because blood typing transcends ethnic typing the relationship between different groups of people and blood types is usually a more accurate rendition of physical compatibility than skin color or geographic location.

In regards to your contention regarding the Anunnaki being non-physical in nature, I would not deny that possibility at this point although I do not necessarily think multi-dimensional technological achievement and expression is limited only to those who do not possess physical bodies. I can discuss these issues in greater depth if necessary, but, suffice it to say now, that I do not preclude the possibility that:

1) the Anunnaki, in physical form, did indeed genetically manipulate hominids that they found here.

2) there were previous incursions and genetic manipulations by other beings (potentially Avian, Canine, etc.) prior to the Anunnaki arrival upon Earth.

3) the alien stock remains different from the human stock, as all groups that were created and remained here upon the earth were, primarily, of earth stock [the hominid(s) that were here previous to Anunnaki (or other) arrival]

4) there were later genetic manipulations by other beings (potentially Maldekian/Zeta/Grey, Orion/Reptilian, etc.) and advanced human civilizations.

5) our current constellation of ethnic types is a result of this genetic manipulation and also of a wide mixing between ourselves that have resulted in what we call 'racial groups'.

6) certain groups have continued to be utilized by off-world or in-world interests that continue to seek to guide the evolution of humanity and control the genome in order to retain control of earth and its resources, including us.

There is much, much more, but I'll stop there. Thank you for the opportunity, Ishtar.

[Ria]

Sumer have giant fish/human? reliefs and big fish stories abound that disseminate great knowledge. i wondered if any archeological info brought any light to this.

[Aetheric Traveler]

Wonderful !!!

My wife has been pretty depressed since Sai Baba left his body. She went to India in 1984 and had a close contact with him. I suspect that just as Sai Baba and Jesus both said, "and greater things than these shall you do also", that WE ARE THE ANNUNAKI.

[Ria]

Dear Ishtar, I don't know about anyone els, and others contributing to this thread, but I could keep you up all night with questions.
I would like you to tell me all the info on the
Caucasians?................ maybe another thread?
Ishtar, is it possible to clarify if the wars with the serpents / nagars that took place in India were around the same time, or just before the the solar priesthood came on to the sean in Suma.
I do not know if there is a connection, this comes from a couple of sources that there are solar beings, that live in the sun. I know this sounds far fetched?........ There have been seen craft, seeming to go into the Sun.

[Ria]

Rahkyt, I would love to here more from you to.
A BIG thank you to Ishtar for the thread.

[Ria]

Aetheric Traveler,ooh I might have to put you under the microscope "WE ARE THE ANUNNAKI"? .......and what species might that be??????? go on I know you think you know. or you know you know.