Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[Sirius White]

Posted by kersley (here)

Posted by Sirius White (here)
It doesn't matter.

You know, many people say they are starseeds from these people over there, and those light beings in Pleadies, or whatever is popular these days. But what about Annunak starseeds?

Some of what I said is quite easy to decipher. Look at the "Lost book" of EA/En.ki for example and you will see very obvious references to the bible there that predate it. Among many other stories. Is this fact? Well that depends, but the big picture gains clarity.

And why all this effort to generalize them all as evil or our enemies? Then come the people who see all the Niburu/Planet X propaganda, and thus assume since THAT must be BS, the whole "Annunaki" thing must be BS too.

It's never in the extremes. Everything has truths and untruths. And even what I said, lets just hypothetically say it was true- it would be untrue if you were to see the same "painting" I am.

This is why the "truth" will never be known in any sort of our brain, fact related basis. We keep uncovering new things as we move forward in time. And we aren't capable of "logically" understanding the whole things anyways. It can only be experienced deep within and in some cases- in the abstract.

I used to be one who used to blame them for everything, but not because of Icke, or channeling. But because of my own research/search/experiences. Yet, I am beginning to see it's not really so simple.

There are lots of psy ops out there. Aliens are a part of it. Some people assume because the shadow gov has a secret space program, that all UFO's are simply "Government craft." Some like to think that all mystery school knowledge or old stories (egyptian, sumerian, phenocian, etc) is only allegorical for symbolic for astrology or celestial movements. Never stopping to think that sometimes- both are true. A hyopthetical being in an ancient story can be the name of a star system, or perhaps to a celestial alignment of some astrological value. But, so can that being also have literally existed, and perhaps- in the same way we name streets in the names of Celebrities (taking place of the Old Gods in the human genetic need to externalize authority) and Politicians, so did they.

It all "comes" from somewhere. And aliens is only the "tip of the iceberg."

The lost book of Enki states that the face on Mars belongs to Ansu who once ruled on Nibiru.. Sitchin went on to say that Ansu bit off Anu penis during a fight to rule nibiru.
The lost book of Enki is FICTION NOT FACTS

lol this is one small example.

And again you are thinking purely in extremes.

Sitchin wasn't 100% right in his interpretations. In fact he missed many points. Somethings were symbolic PURELY, and other things quite literal (but not like how he made it out to be).

You have to dig much deeper.

The Annunaki are very involved in our affairs, in particular within certain people/groups. I have known some who communicate with them. And I do not mean channeling, I mean TELEPATHICALLY. The intelligence community is very aware of them, and are torn between taking "sides."Many are simply in the middle trying to liaison the whole thing.

The "biting penis thing" is purely symbolic. Understand the basis of phallis in our own world, and maybe you will see what it means in theirs.

I don't care if you believe me or not. Your opinion means nothing to me (no offense). It's too late in the game for that.

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BTW, onyx nails some things. Niburu is not stationed in our particular reality, but it does "cross over" into our own sometimes. Our "underworld" is also such a realm/plane, and has both a literal counterpart, and an astral.

Some beings were "bound" to our astral when earth became "quarantined." An/Anu banished them, and created a sort of "gatekeeper system." This system, is why certain initiates in certain schools- and also why the ancient babylonian magick and abrelim spirits can be summoned utilized through the soft technology of ancient magick. Since we have been "cut off" from the higher dimensions (figuratively speaking), these beings were stuck behind but some disembodied. So some of them seek to get into a body in any way possible, or work off their karma and many lose their consciousness altogether.

Then, there is also the others (who are more.."Saurian") who were also banished to the underworld, or inner earth (and I'm not saying its hollow, it's not but there are civilizations with lots of space there), and not supposed to come to the surface. They themselves, have been at war with the "Celestial" kingdom for god knows how long, and well....some of the story is found in the bible some of it not (some of it is astral/inter-dimensional).

In order to access some of these spaces, one has to go through a "Gate." Of which there are a few, some sealed, but most totally and utterly hidden. And I'm not talking about underground facilities here.

Long ago some of the more exploitative Annunaki created a system to trap the souls of earth here. To talk about this goes waaaaay beyond the scope of this topic, as nobody is sure of the specifics. Yet even if you go into the Necronomicon, and various other (some very hard to find) texts, there is a speaking of some of the nastiest beings banished and utilized as "gate keepers" of the earth. This is all but losing its hold and disassembling as we speak (think of a vibrational barrier). There is more but it gets weird.

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Some people bring up Jesus, and symbolic stories. Again...perhaps both are true, but with the facts somewhat changed.

Perhaps "avatars of God" are born ALL the time (after all, aren't we ALL avatars of God? The only difference is self realization!), and have similar CELESTIAL and ASTROLOGICAL patterns for a REASON. Perhaps the character known as Jesus is INDEED an conglomeration of many different beliefs/systems, BUT a character DID exist at that time (known by the name of Jeshu, or Yeshua). The "Church" did this on purpose!

A great deal of the bible is a rehashing of Sumerian, babylonian, Judaic, Egyptian, and other ancient mysteries put into one "single story." People here try and say the Illuminati are going to create a "new religion" not realizing they already did! In the times of Nicea.

In otherwords, as above so below. The symbolic and the literal intertwine all the time!

[david9472]

Fascinating thread. There is a wealth of information and research done by Wes Penre at his site http://wespenre.com He also cites many of his references which include the Wingmakers stuff, AR Borden - Life Physics Group -California, and many others beyond Stitchen.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Trying to get caught up on this great thread. I thank all for participating.

I would like to suggest it's all about expanding consciousness. We get one theory that helps us to grow and then when we're ready we get the next theory, i.e. Newtonian physics to quantum physics. But some tend to get one theory and hang on to it. They stop moving forward on the stream of consciousness, pull over to the bank and build a shrine to their current theory. The minute that happens the PTB (whoever they are at the time, i.e. priests, kings, dictators, presidents) can easily sabotage and control the shrine and therefore those that now worship it. That does not mean that the original theory had no value ~ just that it was sabotaged.

Of course the problem is we are all learning and experiencing at a different pace, and consequently many believe that "their current belief system" is the end all. Instead, it would be a benefit to all, if we simply listen at a deep level to others and if it doesn't resonate with where we are, simply file their beliefs in our mental cabinet. I find when I do this, often at same later point in time, which could be minutes, months or years, some of these theories I once rejected will suddenly make sense and take me to a higher place when I'm ready. Others, I will realize were places (or theories I have already passed and no longer need), but that doesn't mean they are not useful to the person who currently believes them. Just as most first graders cannot absorb calculus without first learning addition and subtraction.

Although I caution that we should not judge one belief more advanced of another. Not for us to judge others. Only to make sure that we are continuing to move down the stream of consciousness and not stuck on the bank.

[Sirius White]

There is never an "end all" understanding.

I have tried to rationalize all this away, I have gone to the other side of the most extreme "cooky" theories. I have tried to interpret everything purely symbolically, and also explore the "literal."

What I have come to, is that the universe is a multi-dimensional hologram consistent of both inner and "outer" spaces. Oscillating, pulsating, vibrating, in various spectrum of geometry, mathematics, and ineffable mechanics (what we can coin, spirit).

We think we are interpreting things only "symbolically." And indeed, this can bring about the great revelation of spiritual truths. For look at your dreams, are they not symbolic emanations of your subconscious and day to day life? Then what we we???

This is when I realized, that what is symbolic is literal in another "mind frame" and what is literal is "symbolic" to another. WE are geomantic symbols ourselves! WE, and our WORLD is made up of similar correlations, symbols, geometries, and "synchronicities" as it is in itself, a time-matrix, or a sort of "individualized hologram" within a "collective one" with its respective "Frequency barrier." This ascension business, and change in thought-patterns is affecting our cellular matrix, as it is effecting our morphogenetic template.

What happens is our idea of what "is" and "isn't" begins to expand. Our reality itself changes around ourselves as suddenly "new" truths, which are actually ancient, come forward from our unconscious>subconscious>conscious mind, and we begin to have more awareness, control, and personal commanding over our own personal "lives." Knowledge and information comes around that may empower us (or diempower us, our choice), suddenly new perspectives open up.

The same story can be looked at in 100 different ways. The story of Jesus both real and symbolic. The Annunaki both real and symbolic. Just like the magickal systems of west, and alchemical systems of east. Manifestation is not just for LOA New Agers, nor is the "philosophers stone" merely a symbol of inherent spiritual transformation, it is also REAL. Just like Vrill and Prima Materia.

You are living in a "symbolic hologram" LITERALLY. And by looking, observing its patterns, allows you to see the ENTIRE pattern, CONNECT with its flow and see all the "signs" and "synchronicities." Two things that seem COMPLETELY unrelated, such as a movie made in the 1990's, and a theory from the ancient past, and Saddhams buttcrack have a CONNECTION, however subtle you may see or know, because the universe itself, functions at this fractal level, is is connected invisibly to all things!

Interconnected, exchanging information, and relaying them to our conscious minds as "TRUTH." This is why, reality is relative, and each persons is different from one another. Yet we all share collectively many things, including "laws" and "facts." But those change yearly don't they? Look at science for instance.....

Never shut your mind down, or think you've found the "holy grail" of understanding. ALWAYS grow as the Universe does. A word of warning: the opinions of others will get smaller and smaller as you do this, and communicating your own- will become very difficult.

Take care all, no offense to anybody Love you all.

[lightpotential]

Dear Group,

I wish to inform you of a new video presentation I have just produced, concerning the existence of an exotic celestial body or "10th planet" if you will, within our solar system, focusing upon what various ancient esoteric texts have to say about the matter, including: Berossos, Ovid, The Bible, The Pistis Sophia, The Kolbrin and The Chronicle of Akakor.

Included in the presentation is also an evaluation of how the noted exotic body itself may be tied-in to the Mayan Long Count and Aztec Short Count calendar systems, and even linked to the 2012 "end-date" of the Long Count.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=si98tIb-6N0

Keith

[Mark]

Oh my. Haven't seen a post here in PA about planet X since Elenin broke up. This should be an interesting discussion. I'll be paying attention. Thank you for sharing your vid with us. I see you've put a lot of work into it. I won't comment in depth until I've watched it.

[Carmen]

Where can we watch it please? Source?

[pyriel]

Here you are Carmen.

https://youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=si98tIb-6N0

[Lifebringer]

I was thinking perhaps the past noises in the air, were the returning orbit of the iron ember planet, being released from the Sun's orbit and sling shotting this way. I mean what if's went through my mind, as I watched it, and since it's a iron ore ember buring, surrounded by 7 sling shotty moons or planets, wouldn't all that speed and gravity, make some sort of noise as it did so?

[goinghome2012]

this video resonates with me

blessings

[Mike Gorman]

This presentation, containing as it does a broad survey of ancient texts, wisdom and spiritual myth-with scholarly linkages to
modern physics and scientific evaluation of Solar System astro-mechanics is a breath of fresh air. If you take the time to carefully follow
the presentation, and take in the concluding notes you will be rewarded with some extremely compelling insights that reveal the
ancient wisdom of a recurring cycle of planetary disturbance and destruction; whatever your position on 2012 and the long count
implications, there is very fine work being done here.

[ghostrider]

you can see an object in front of the sun from the antartic cirlce on the live cam.... looks like a planet to me. funny the wave ribbon and the earth meeting the galactic center and nibiru all happen in the same year on cycles of very specific times....

[Aetheric Traveler]

With all due respect,

I watched a 1/2 hour of this presentation and just cannot connect with it. There are so many leaps of imagination that do not seem to be support by good, scientific research and fail to flesh out conclusions offered.

To be sure, there has been a lot of work and thought put into it and I do not want to seem to harsh, but after 30 minutes of listening and watching, I have too many disagreements to offer in retrospect.

1.) The music of the spheres is not Celestial Resonance- sorry, my friend, the Music of the Spheres is much more involved than just the resonance waves set up among planets during conjunctions. Planets vibrate all the time with their natural frequencies for numerous and various reasons. The people on this planet, especially in the Taos, NM, USA area can hear and feel it. It's known as the Taos Hum. Unfortunately, the Music of the Spheres is much too complex an explanation for a post.

2.) Celestial Resonance is highly doubtful as the cause of breaking up a planet for the simple reason that sustained resonance waves on the increasing order of those necessary to achieve the Tesla Resonance effect require sustaining and increasing the frequencies until the natural frequency of a large body becomes so overloaded as to achieve a destructive level. Since the orbits of planetary bodies only achieve conjunctive alignment for an extremely short period of time, this would seem highly unlikely, if nigh on impossible to me. This concept of destructive celestial resonance is a great leap of imagination that I just cannot see happening.

3.) The stories presented by Berossos and Ovid as comparisons to the book of Revelations as proof of Planet X are not compelling, especially in the first 20 minutes. These are great leaps that are not supported, even in symbolic form. It seems like someone is grasping for something to prove a projected conclusion. The King and Sun rituals are part and parcel of decadent earlier rituals that had much greater significance when the world spoke all the same language and worked together to foster cooperation in the health of the Sun and the Earth as intelinked celestial bodies. The rituals he describes are examples of fallen cultures resurrecting ancient knowledge, but in an incomplete and altered form with a lack of total understanding as to their real meanings. Phaeton mourning, etc at 22:31 minutes is a symbology that does not support the existence of Planet X at all.

4.) The health of the Sun becoming so bad that it switches off? and then re-ignites? I'm sorry, but that's the greatest leap of all that made me stop watching, pretty much. Nothing in the literature points to this in the slightest sense. There are so many literary examples of the sun being blocked out with such easily definable reasons, that to conjecture the fusion reactions in the Sun stopping and re-igniting is just plain preposterous to me. Such an event would seemingly have enormous and disastrous side effects on a scale so vast as to blast the atmosphere of the Earth away, even from the distance of the sun to the Earth. The shock wave would be on the order of something to obliterate the delicate atmosphere surrounding this planet. The Sun is not a light bulb that just switches on and off.

5.) Since there are so many real celestial and atmospheric reasons why the natural light of the sun would get cut off as to appear in literature in the form of the light of the sun recorded as being blocked out for an entire day, the question is how to intrepret the happenings of the past in light of the Timaeus/Solon discussion properly to as to give credence to the actual orbital mechanics of the Planet X/Nebiru 3600 year suspected orbit. The discussion states the old history is hardly known to the younger of the two people, and there is much to explain in the workings of the great celestial body that collided with this planet not so long ago which knocked it from its orbit and gave it the current 23 degree tilt is has now. The debris thrown into the atmosphere would have blocked out the sun for much more than a day, causing the last ice age. Since this is not the event that Solon has described to him because it lasts only a day, it's a much more plausible proof that the debris field carried along with Planet X's orbit is so vast as to block out our sunlight while it passes in between us and the sun.

There may be more plausible arguements in the video, but I just couldn't get past some of the unsupported giant leaps he makes. Certainly there is some good research and information in there. The video represents one man's ideas of a vast number of subjects pieced together to attempt a plausible explanation. I just don't see many of the pieces the way he does, so I didn't invest the time to watch the whole thing. Maybe on another date, I will, but for now, I'm just not impressed or convinced.

I believe in the existence of Nebiru/Planet X and have seen the blocked out section of sky on GoogleSky where it has been censored by the powers that be. A previous acquaintance of mine, Gerald Hawkins, the author of Stonehenge Decoded, before he died, had a whole lot of information that he just wasn't allowed to divulge because the scientific world would blacklist him. One of those concepts was that the ancients tribes of the Earth all worked together to maintain the health of the Sun. Since modern science is proving the interconnectedness of celestial bodies in the vibrational sense, his statements to me regarding this are now being slowly proven long after his death. I never got a chance to ask about him Nebiru when he was explaining his work about the music of the spheres and diatonics, a shame.

Lastly, there is a section in the book of Revelation where it states, "and I beheld the stars falling from the sky" and such. There is much speculation on the meaning of this in modern times (to come) but the only way a whole sky full of star would appear to a ground based observer as falling (compared to the visual horizon) would be if the world flipped upside down. Since the magnetic field of the Earth is known to flip-flop, a person must ask themselves, is it possible for the Earth to endure a magnetic field reversal where the planet itself physically changes poles and not just the magnetic field reversing? Since there is magnetic fossil record of this, it seems like it has occurred before.

Considering that the magnetic field strength of a passing celestial body may have enough strength to cause the Earth to flip upside down in response to its travel by us, one must consider the possibility that Nebiru is not just a problem of celestial debris, collision and celestial resonance pressures, but of magnetic disruption on a planetary scale.

That's take on the subject and those are my thoughts.

Cheers,
AT

[gittarpikk]

Wanna see what the Russians will tell you that our own country will not

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uNmmxOgkgUc

[Aetheric Traveler]

Nice Video. Love those Russians!!!

There are so many possibilities regarding the orbital path of Nebiru that unless the real information is released by the US gov't and others with the scientific proofs, that lay people like us will never be able to totally grasp how the situation is going to shape up. There are more forces at work than just a planetary body entering our system or refusal of the major gov'ts to disclose what they know.

There are advanced races of beings constantly watching over this planet who are capable of altering this planet's orbit as well as Nebiru's orbital path. The explanation would take several posts, but suffice it to say that it's simply a matter of using enough spacecraft of electromagnetic potential to change the "perceived mass" of the Earth to allow it to fly faster for a little bit and "miss" Nebiru by enough to keep it safe. Just consider it the same as Mr. Myagi's response in the Karate Kid to the question, "Master, what's the best way to defend against a strike?", Answer: "Not to be there when it arrives!"

The average person can easily understand the concepts involved, however, because of conditioning and perceptioneering perpetrated against the people's of the Earth, most of these things are considered science fiction fantasy by the average person. Since faster than light travel and light-speed craft are hidden from public knowledge, anti-gravitational machinery and devices and the associated high technology is forbidden to be released into mainstream human thought. Very few people on Earth are aware of just how little it takes to move an entire planet by either slowing down or speeding up its orbital with rotational variance to change its gravimetric constant or by positioning enough spacecraft around it with their electromagnetic field generation capabilities to create an envelope of altered space-time for the entire planet, the same way they do it for their spaceships to move about in the vacuum of space.

There will come a time when Nebiru will not be able to be hidden by gov'ts with secret agendas. The name "the Destroyer" is not to be taken lightly or unceremoniously. The years of 2012-2014 will see the Destroyer pass into and pass out of our solar system and Earth's sphere of influence, or more correctly the Earth will see Nebiru's sphere of influence twice in our orbital path around the sun.

Since the secrets of the pyramids have yet to be revealed, it's not hard to figure out that the ancient advanced civilazations that built the pyramid complexes around the world knew about Nebiru and placed a system of high-tech planetary protection about the Earth in a grand effort to keep the Oasis of Paradise in the middle of the Cosmic Desert from being destroyed. For gov't to reveal Nebiru or the pyramidal system is tantamount to admitting they have been covering up UFO's and ET's for over 100 years. They are too busy protecting the money system and it's associated totalitarian control agenda to allow disclosure voluntarily. Certainly our friend Zawi Hawass is not going to publicly admit he's been lying for decades about the pyramids being tombs and start disclosing all the information and artifacts he was paid to hide that prove the pyramids are high tech planetary electromagnetic devices purposely built to work with and respond to cosmic energies.

My opinion is that they are waiting until Nebiru's proximity starts causing disastrous effects so they can use it an excuse to declare Martial Law for the good of the people, like that's gonna fly--- HAH!!!

Cheers, sleep tight,
AT

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

lightpotential, Hi

I will be interested to see the original "ancient esoteric texts" that you claim to have gotten this story from. Taking stories from alleged ancient text/manuscript which are written in English is laughable. Just look at the alleged "Kolbrin" bible, NO original evidence, NO copy of the original languages involved, history is wrong, spelling of the book is wrong, meaning of the book is wrong, modern characters have been added, old characters are missing etc etc.

I have contacted the Gorsedd in the past on more than one occasion regarding the alleged Kolbin bible for more information. Basically its a hoax promoted by whomever who is linked to the USA.

[Aetheric Traveler]

Well, after staying up until almost 2:00am to finish listening to the rest of the 1-1/2 hours of his work, I can say his research into comparisons of the Chronicle of Akakor and the Kolbrin books are much better than his comments about the Nebiru orbit symbolically being denoted in other texts. Certainly, the ancients knew of it and wrote of it. Certainly, our modern gov't high scientists are paid well to keep it hush-hush.

The fact that ET's came and went, as well as groups of others being referred to as "Our Masters" long ago is not going to sit well with modern academicians who believe the world is only a few millenia old in its advanced, civilized human habitation. Standard Doctrine would have to be tossed out the window. Said windows will most likely be shattered anyway when the Destroyer comes and goes.

Cheers,
AT

[Aetheric Traveler]

Dear Bryn,

Although I may not agree with everything the gentleman named "lightpotential" says in his somewhat dry and slow moving 1-1/2 hour video, the piecing together of ancient texts is hardly a concrete science where a person can just pick up an ancient manuscript at the local library and say, "Here it is!!! I got it in my hands, so I have proof!". To ask for absolute confirmation and verifiability on such ancient material is what is laughable, especially when academicians say it's not possible if the above mentioned scenario cannot be had.

When there is separate and far flung evidence from other cultures that points to authenticating "fragmentary" pieces of texts that are re-pieced together, the gist of the material is what's important, not whether every last part and parcel is absolutely confirmable. In today's world of constant mis-information, mis-direction, secret gov'ts and hidden agendas, to ask for irrefuteable confirmability is an absolute joke on the person making the request.

You may judge for yourself if the outlying information contains enough validity to examine the topic open-mindedly, but to simply accept that you have contacted a few people who say it's a hoax and take it at that is quite an injustice to yourself if you quest for the real answers to real questions. Sorry to be so blunt, but nobody is perfect in their questions and answers, not me, not you, not Kevin M. Hunter or anyone.

The real point is this: Exactly what evidence do YOU have that is solid and real that the Kolbrin is a hoax? Probably a lot less than the people who make the claim, and maybe even less than the people who say it's real have to back up the existence of the material from which is was derived.

Those are just my opinions and I hope they don't offend you because we are all learning.

Cheers,
AT

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Posted by Aetheric Traveler (here)
Dear Bryn,

Although I may not agree with everything the gentleman named "lightpotential" says in his somewhat dry and slow moving 1-1/2 hour video, the piecing together of ancient texts is hardly a concrete science where a person can just pick up an ancient manuscript at the local library and say, "Here it is!!! I got it in my hands, so I have proof!". To ask for absolute confirmation and verifiability on such ancient material is what is laughable, especially when academicians say it's not possible if the above mentioned scenario cannot be had.

When there is separate and far flung evidence from other cultures that points to authenticating "fragmentary" pieces of texts that are re-pieced together, the gist of the material is what's important, not whether every last part and parcel is absolutely confirmable. In today's world of constant mis-information, mis-direction, secret gov'ts and hidden agendas, to ask for irrefuteable confirmability is an absolute joke on the person making the request.

You may judge for yourself if the outlying information contains enough validity to examine the topic open-mindedly, but to simply accept that you have contacted a few people who say it's a hoax and take it at that is quite an injustice to yourself if you quest for the real answers to real questions. Sorry to be so blunt, but nobody is perfect in their questions and answers, not me, not you, not Kevin M. Hunter or anyone.

The real point is this: Exactly what evidence do YOU have that is solid and real that the Kolbrin is a hoax? Probably a lot less than the people who make the claim, and maybe even less than the people who say it's real have to back up the existence of the material from which is was derived.

Those are just my opinions and I hope they don't offend you because we are all learning.

Cheers,
AT

Hi,

As I am a person who has studied at one form or other regarding my own culture I have gathered certain knowledge & acquaintances over the years revolving around certain fields. I'm also one of the few who is at the heels of the British establishment on a daily bases regarding their false history. If folk are so hell bent in believing in crap without doing a single bit of hard research themselves then nothing with ever be achieved.

Exactly what evidence do YOU have that is solid and real that the Kolbrin is a hoax?

Wow, sounds like script the church would use to justify its claim of an invisible man in the clouds.

The so called Kolbrin bible that strangely enough has no reference to the original languages & funny enough is only written in the English language & complete with a 17th zionist script/version of ancient event of Briton etc.

The correct spelling of Kolbrin is Coelbren which is an ancient alphabet of the Cymry & is not a book.

In the 1700's certain English gentry wanted & demanded the right to join an ancient Cymry order. This was denied for several reasons. What then followed was a full on tantrum as these English & American wannabies done everything to tarnish this ancient order & its members. This still goes on today.

Please study who & what the Gorsedd are. Please study the ancient texts, manuscripts of the Cymry (ancient Britons). Please study the language. Please live & breathe their very essence.

[Aetheric Traveler]

Thanks for your reply, Bryn,

The last thing on Earth I am is someone who gulps down churchified doctrine as pablum.

My question of what proof do you have the Kolbrin is a hoax might very well be worded another way.

What proof is there that there are no true fragments in it? This question more correctly reflects the situation of the Battle of Knowledge constantly going on in our world as to the dark against the light forces that have existed for countless millenia.

Since I study a great deal and not familiar with the Gorsedd yet, you are duly thanked for showing a set of knowledge archives that I have not been lucky enough to read, yet.

The true history of this planet and its involvement in the Grand Galactic Scheme of things has yet to be shown to the average person because it is a story so vast it would take up a dozen 4 hour movie epics just to scratch the surface. Certainly, not something one can describe in a post.

As a questor of details to flesh out this grand story, it is everyone's challenge to separate the garbage from the diamonds and piece them all together to make the crystal chandelier that lights up the viewing room of history to get it right.

I have no doubt about what you say about the English attempting to thwart the Ancient Celtic orders as this has been their way for millenia. Before the English, the Celts and their influence stretched farther than the Roman Empire ever did.

So, the Gorsedd is my next area of investigation. Whether I live it and breathe it, will depend on its resonance with me. If you could provide some links as to where to start that you find pertinent, that would be most appreciated.

Cheers,
AT