Bill Ryan joining Kerry & David W. with Bill Wood

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by firstlook (here)
Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds talk about people

And who are you talking about here? LMAO.... When it's about information and diseminating it, the people delivering it do come up as to credibility and hence it's smart to talk about them, research them etc.. I guess if we were talking about Obama and the other puppet who gets nominated that would make us small minds too. What a useless ad hominem bs comment. Cute though.

[TargeT]

Posted by Nerge (here)
It's all swings and round-abouts isn't it really?

The guy you quoted claims imposters often say their records have been sealed or burned etc, well, that's easy enough to use as a defence but also easy to see how it could be true. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't leave easily researched records in tact for any individuals with security clearance levels above the official 'top-secret' level? Well, not unless you deliberately wanted that information to be easily found for disinfo purposes or to discredit later perhaps. (the same goes for wiping all traces of it)

While I don't know the quoted individuals credentials he does at least sound like he knows what he's talking about 'from his perspective and understanding of how things work', which is fine, however that's assuming that the small part of the picture you see is all there is and there's nothing beyond that. Perhaps many times that is true, but in this case and with topics as sensative as this I doubt it's ever that simple.

The more I hear all about this the more I'm convinced that the best way way to proceed is to just remain aware of events (from many sources) and to do our own inner work collectively to raise awareness; both inside and by taking positive tangible and practical action too, together!

Actually, since the type of evaluation that he claims to undgergo happened AFTER training had started (IE, he enlisted (suposedly) in the navy & THEN was picked.. ) his training records would absolutely be public knowledge... we hide a lot in the military, but we are terrible at paper work.... he would be all over the place based on his own story.

Posted by araucaria (here)
On the subject of zombie-like people who don't look up to speed, Dolores Cannon has an interesting take in The Convoluted Universe Vol IV: the Back Drop People (p.560):

They are just here to be part of the backdrop (..) go from one star system to the next and they are used as a backdrop (...) for you to learn, to stay on your path, you have to have these other people in your way, living beside you, but you're here for a lesson and they're here for a backdrop (...) they're just here as energy to help us with our lessons, to create chaos or to work or just to live.

Interesting, I'll have to read that thread... I've always called them "place holders" and equated them to "NPC's" in a video game... haha

[Lazlo]

I would like to point out for conversation that yet again, David Wilcock promised a big revel on his website on the day following the livestream event. He was going to bring a lot of information together and validate BW. We are now 40 hours into it and, surprise, surprise...nothing.

Before I get accused of DW bashing, I would like to point out that while I have had reservations about him ever since he let us all know that he is the reincarnated Edgar Cayce and the breakdown over the torture threats, I have bought his book in an effort to remain open minded and not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Regarding the letter from the former SEAL claiming that BW/Brockbrader was never a member:

I take this as a very credible piece of evidence. I once spent a good deal of time outing someone who claimed to have been a career Navy man, and who had a daughter that was a Navy pilot who drowned in a SCUBA diving accident off the coast of Diego Garcia. (Really, really long story, but he was trying to gain financially off of this ...my Spidey senses were tingling and it really rubbed me the wrong way.) I finally got on the phone with THE officer in charge of handling the remains of all service members who die overseas. He was horrified that this scumbag would be using the claim of a dead service member for personal gain. His sense of honor was truly admirable. He didn't break any confidentiality regs or say anything that could get himself in trouble, but he did point me in the right direction and give procedural information that allowed me to get to the bottom of it all. The episode ended with the guy being taken away in cuffs.

The point of all of this is when a bonafide service member gives information like this, I believe them. The guys who actually went through the training and put their lives on the line take this seriously. I expect that we will hear from Don (per Tarka's correspondence) long before we will get copies of any documentation from BW/Brockbrader. I also expect that we will find out that he really was in the Navy, and probably was a FC Tech.

If the guys at veriseal don't provide it in the near future, Mr. Brockbrader's service records can be obtained through a FOIA request. They will either reply that he was not a service member, provide his unclassified records, or that his records are sealed and not subject to FOIA.

[modwiz]

Posted by firstlook (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
I see Kerry is promoting Sean David Morton's new book. There is something very 'off' about that critter. I am not the only one who sees it. I guess she needs to play with the approved guest list.

She has to know better. Her credibility has grown recently, I feel bad she might be stuck playing the Awake and Aware game.

His last interview with Fulford was a mockery of a sincere interviewing style. He sought after sensational and lurid details. So MSM in style. He also acted the fool at the last A&A tour/show?

Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds talk about people

So are you posting about an idea, and event or a person? Have a look in the mirror. The names/people in our community are synonymous with events and ideas. I have heard and read this little saying many times before. Do you have any original thoughts?

I know the ground my feet are upon.

[Unified Serenity]

You make great points Lazlo. I agree with everything you said btw. Being in the military and an FC as he describes does not mean his story is true about looking glass or yellow cube. We will never get our hands on that stuff until the ptw are removed or they share it. So, there is NO way to validate that stuff. That's what caused me so much grief in all of this. I think BW was also in the military. I think he could have gotten a conscience and did blow a mission. I do not see them forcing him out there to do more missions for reasons stated. Thus I don't buy that part of his story.

I do not buy his super psychic story either. I saw a lot of clues to his not telling the truth about events after the whole tomahawk stuff. He was very comfortable with that material. But, when it got into our area of real interest it was very circumspect, and not well explained. He did not have nearly the skill of speaking about that stuff as he did with how to work with missiles etc.. I also don't think you have to be a SEAL to do that sort of work.

Again, interesting guy, probably was military, but wow, look how important DW is again in getting this info out to us. Keep checking back!

Oh, and Lazlo, thank you for your due diligence in getting to the truth of that matter with the guy trying to capitalize on that woman's death. Our soldiers deserve so much better.

Much love,

Serenity

Posted by Lazlo (here)
I would like to point out for conversation that yet again, David Wilcock promised a big revel on his website on the day following the livestream event. He was going to bring a lot of information together and validate BW. We are now 40 hours into it and, surprise, surprise...nothing.

Before I get accused of DW bashing, I would like to point out that while I have had reservations about him ever since he let us all know that he is the reincarnated Edgar Cayce and the breakdown over the torture threats, I have bought his book in an effort to remain open minded and not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Regarding the letter from the former SEAL claiming that BW/Brockbrader was never a member:

I take this as a very credible piece of evidence. I once spent a good deal of time outing someone who claimed to have been a career Navy man, and who had a daughter that was a Navy pilot who drowned in a SCUBA diving accident off the coast of Diego Garcia. (Really, really long story, but he was trying to gain financially off of this ...my Spidey senses were tingling and it really rubbed me the wrong way.) I finally got on the phone with THE officer in charge of handling the remains of all service members who die overseas. He was horrified that this scumbag would be using the claim of a dead service member for personal gain. His sense of honor was truly admirable. He didn't break any confidentiality regs or say anything that could get himself in trouble, but he did point me in the right direction and give procedural information that allowed me to get to the bottom of it all. The episode ended with the guy being taken away in cuffs.

The point of all of this is when a bonafide service member gives information like this, I believe them. The guys who actually went through the training and put their lives on the line take this seriously. I expect that we will hear from Don (per Tarka's correspondence) long before we will get copies of any documentation from BW/Brockbrader. I also expect that we will find out that he really was in the Navy, and probably was a FC Tech.

If the guys at veriseal don't provide it in the near future, Mr. Brockbrader's service records can be obtained through a FOIA request. They will either reply that he was not a service member, provide his unclassified records, or that his records are sealed and not subject to FOIA.

[Tarka the Duck]

If the guys at veriseal don't provide it in the near future, Mr. Brockbrader's service records can be obtained through a FOIA request. They will either reply that he was not a service member, provide his unclassified records, or that his records are sealed and not subject to FOIA.

Dear Lazio

Apparently, the 'POW network' group has already requested his service records: it could take up to a month for them to be available for scrutiny.

Kathie

[christian]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by firstlook (here)
Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds talk about people

And who are you talking about here? LMAO.... When it's about information and diseminating it, the people delivering it do come up as to credibility and hence it's smart to talk about them, research them etc.. I guess if we were talking about Obama and the other puppet who gets nominated that would make us small minds too. What a useless ad hominem bs comment. Cute though.

If one's mind is so great, that one can contribute to harmony in the world just by being, one has a truly great mind, one then wouldn't participate on Avalon, I assume.

Now that makes us all average to small minds at least to a large degree in comparison, I can live with that. If you want to diseminate credentials etc. - surely a reasonable thing to do - you are in fact discussing events, as you want to find out what people did, what their track record is. Then calling people names, speculating about their motivations, thoughts and emotions is talking about people. Talking about Obama might well be kind of it all, it may be about the idea of presidency and a republic, about what he actually does and about why he would do so, what his personality is.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by chiquetet (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by firstlook (here)
Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds talk about people

And who are you talking about here? LMAO.... When it's about information and diseminating it, the people delivering it do come up as to credibility and hence it's smart to talk about them, research them etc.. I guess if we were talking about Obama and the other puppet who gets nominated that would make us small minds too. What a useless ad hominem bs comment. Cute though.

If one's mind is so great, that one can contribute to harmony in the world just by being, one has a truly great mind, one then wouldn't participate on Avalon, I assume.

Now that makes us all average to small minds at least to a large degree in comparison, I can live with that. If you want to diseminate credentials etc. - surely a reasonable thing to do - you are in fact discussing events, as you want to find out what people did, what their track record is. Then calling people names, speculating about their motivations, thoughts and emotions is talking about people. Talking about Obama might well be kind of it all, it may be about the idea of presidency and a republic, about what he actually does and about why he would do so, what his personality is.

How do you learn if you are being conned if you do not talk about the person doing the conning and the events around it? I guess to you that is a bad thing. I think some here would like to not waste their time being conned and if they knew the facts about a person they would not bother with listening to them if such facts reveal them to be a lier. But, you and I hardly ever agree on anything, so I will leave you to your thoughts and I to mine.

[christian]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
How do you learn if you are being conned if you do not talk about the person doing the conning and the events around it?

[...]

You and I hardly ever agree on anything.

Of course it is reasonable to find this out, we obviously agree, that's what I said "surely a reasonable thing to do". I just tried to explain those 3 lines from my perspective, the first point I made there is the difference between talking about a person's perceived character and a person's track record, those are not the same things.

The other point is, that a truly great mind would simply know, because nothing is truly hidden or seperate. That an average mind investigates events and that a small mind would just draw conclusions upon whether or not one likes somebody's nose or not, to put it very simple. I know where my place is in all that, and most of the time it's not on top of the heap, that's true for most people on earth right now, I find, but I assume we both would agree again, that we are intent on changing this and raising out of the quagmire.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by chiquetet (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
I am surprised no one so far has said that all this endorses Dan Burisch, who is supposedly discredited.

From what I understand, Dan was (influenced by his lady and) led to believe that Kerry & Bill have a sinister agenda, thus he stopped the contact. - This does not discredit his testimony.

This is correct. Dan's testimony holds true.

Kerry, David Wilcock and I are and always have been in full agreement about this.

[firstlook]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by firstlook (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
I see Kerry is promoting Sean David Morton's new book. There is something very 'off' about that critter. I am not the only one who sees it. I guess she needs to play with the approved guest list.

She has to know better. Her credibility has grown recently, I feel bad she might be stuck playing the Awake and Aware game.

His last interview with Fulford was a mockery of a sincere interviewing style. He sought after sensational and lurid details. So MSM in style. He also acted the fool at the last A&A tour/show?

Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds talk about people

So are you posting about an idea, and event or a person? Have a look in the mirror. The names/people in our community are synonymous with events and ideas. I have heard and read this little saying many times before. Do you have any original thoughts?

I know the ground my feet are upon.

Why do you call people fools? Thats what I was implying. I don't understand how that helps people improve their critical thinking. It adds unneeded defenses to the process which shrinks ones perception and divides people. And people divided cannot learn from each other and grow.

I respect your opinions and hope that you did not take it as an insult to your intellect. Merely trying to add thoughts that help keep discussion free and without separation of worth and hierarchy. Ideas should remain hierarchal as is the nature of the universe and creation, but putting others down in labels causes stationary thinking.

Just trying to help, honest.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by modwiz (here)
I see Kerry is promoting Sean David Morton's new book. There is something very 'off' about that critter. I am not the only one who sees it. I guess she needs to play with the approved guest list.

She has to know better. Her credibility has grown recently, I feel bad she might be stuck playing the Awake and Aware game.

His last interview with Fulford was a mockery of a sincere interviewing style. He sought after sensational and lurid details. So MSM in style. He also acted the fool at the last A&A tour/show?

If this is helpful:

Kerry personally urged me, very strongly, to read Sean's new book -- the testimony of a recently deceased Montauk Project whistleblower disguised as fiction.

Sean's personality is not the point: what may be important here (and I have not yet read the book) is the testimony it apparently contains.

[firstlook]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by chiquetet (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by firstlook (here)
Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds talk about people

And who are you talking about here? LMAO.... When it's about information and diseminating it, the people delivering it do come up as to credibility and hence it's smart to talk about them, research them etc.. I guess if we were talking about Obama and the other puppet who gets nominated that would make us small minds too. What a useless ad hominem bs comment. Cute though.

If one's mind is so great, that one can contribute to harmony in the world just by being, one has a truly great mind, one then wouldn't participate on Avalon, I assume.

Now that makes us all average to small minds at least to a large degree in comparison, I can live with that. If you want to diseminate credentials etc. - surely a reasonable thing to do - you are in fact discussing events, as you want to find out what people did, what their track record is. Then calling people names, speculating about their motivations, thoughts and emotions is talking about people. Talking about Obama might well be kind of it all, it may be about the idea of presidency and a republic, about what he actually does and about why he would do so, what his personality is.

How do you learn if you are being conned if you do not talk about the person doing the conning and the events around it? I guess to you that is a bad thing. I think some here would like to not waste their time being conned and if they knew the facts about a person they would not bother with listening to them if such facts reveal them to be a lier. But, you and I hardly ever agree on anything, so I will leave you to your thoughts and I to mine.

I don't think anyone on this planet thinks they are a con man. And even those that would admit this are simply in a state of survival for their ideas and comfort. Making them feel like they are guilty of being close minded and wrong does nothing to better the situation for both the mentor or the student. I'm not saying you should feel guilty about disagreeing,

I know That I agree with your signature. I would think Sean David Morton would too. People are not just their ideas and mannerisms. They deserve credit for existing and participating whether you agree or not. This is not a philosophy as more so its just the natural course of reality. As above So below. Hope you do not take offense for these ideas. I do care.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
Oh yes, the important and liberating information of our times.

I understand Sean's mannerisms, ego, and personality don't sit right with some people, but I don't understand what you mean by your statement. I did not say his book held the holy grail of important and liberating info, I just said I thought it was an excellent read. Sean is a very well read and intelligent man, and he has a big picture perspective that I find very close to complete.

There must be a language difficulty between us. I will drop it.

No, there is not. You [Modwiz] are often negatively sarcastic to the point of being transparently obnoxious to anyone with any open perception. You read it here first.

[firstlook]

Posted by chiquetet (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
How do you learn if you are being conned if you do not talk about the person doing the conning and the events around it?

[...]

You and I hardly ever agree on anything.

Of course it is reasonable to find this out, we obviously agree, that's what I said "surely a reasonable thing to do". I just tried to explain those 3 lines from my perspective, the first point I made there is the difference between talking about a person's perceived character and a person's track record, those are not the same things.

The other point is, that a truly great mind would simply know, because nothing is truly hidden or seperate. That an average mind investigates events and that a small mind would just draw conclusions upon whether or not one likes somebody's nose or not, to put it very simple. I know where my place is in all that, and most of the time it's not on top of the heap, that's true for most people on earth right now, I find, but I assume we both would agree again, that we are intent on changing this and raising out of the quagmire.

Agreed.

Also I am not claiming a Great mind. Just one that tries to be part of whats going on to make things more peaceful and in line to everyones desires.

[Tarka the Duck]

Hi Bill!

Any comment about the Bill Wood/Brockbrader material? (allegations that he was not a SEAL).

Kathie

[13th Warrior]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
Oh yes, the important and liberating information of our times.

I understand Sean's mannerisms, ego, and personality don't sit right with some people, but I don't understand what you mean by your statement. I did not say his book held the holy grail of important and liberating info, I just said I thought it was an excellent read. Sean is a very well read and intelligent man, and he has a big picture perspective that I find very close to complete.

There must be a language difficulty between us. I will drop it.

No, there is not. You [Modwiz] are often negatively sarcastic to the point of being transparently obnoxious to anyone with any open perception. You read it here first.

Sorry Bro,

i sometimes agree.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
Hi Bill!

Any comment about the Bill Wood/Brockbrader material? (allegations that he was not a SEAL).

Kathie

Posted by Referee (here)
He was a member of Seal Team 9 a classified unit. Not available to the public.

I believe (but cannot know for 100% sure) that Referee's comment describes the situation.

I've talked in some depth with Kerry, who assures me that she's seen his credentials and paperwork. I have not seen this -- but I don't doubt her word, and based on his testimony and Kerry's backstory (and also David's strong endorsement) I do believe Bill Wood is credible.

[Tarka the Duck]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Referee (here)
He was a member of Seal Team 9 a classified unit. Not available to the public.

I believe (but do not know) that this is the case. I've talked in some depth with Kerry, who assures me that she's seen his credentials and paperwork.

I have not seen this -- but I do not doubt her word, and based on his testimony and Kerry's backstory (and also David's strong endorsement) I believe Bill Wood is credible.

So you believe that the letters from the ex SEALS Don Shipley and Steve Robinson are untrue?

[firstlook]

I thought it was seal team 10? Don't know the difference of separate teams and their roles though.