Bill Ryan joining Kerry & David W. with Bill Wood

[TargeT]

Posted by modwiz (here)
I hope my agreeing with you does not diminish this excellent point made by you.

Oh man, I can only imagine what the two of us together in a bar would produce... probably an empty room due to heavy use of sarcasim & dry wit... hahaha

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by Lazlo (here)

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)

Posted by Lazlo (here)

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)
We are talking about a military that works for a government that allows satanists and pedophiles to operate as politicians and commit their crimes at the highest levels of government. Do you really think a military who works for that kind of government would really care about letting someone who had sex with a sixteen year old into their elite secret team? Hell, the satanist / pedophile higher ups would probably see it as a PLUS!!

Ummmm....That argument works both ways.

But... i don't claim to know how the shadow government works. I just submit that nobody knows except for maybe those who have worked within it. and even they probably don't have a very clear picture of how it works because, based on whistle blower testimony, the shadow government seems to be highly compartmentalized.

How do you know all of these claims that you have made are true? I'm not picking on you here, I actually do believe that there are some sick puppies in positions of power. But the argument that you know these things is based upon the same logic as what BestLion knows.

This is from a post that I have made previously, and perhaps we all need to be reminded of this story along about here somewhere :

A student begged of his master: Please master, tell me where I may find truth.

The master replied: Where do you think that you may go to find truth, if you cannot find it here, now?

Student: Then tell me master, what is truth?

Master: What is the ocean?

Student: It is the great salty sea which encircles the whole of the world.

Master: To a fish, the ocean is a translucent palace. To a man in a boat, it is a great circle extending to the horizon in all directions. To a heavenly being, it is a shimmering string of jewel-like reflections. The ocean has the capacity to be all of these things, and yet is none of them. We force our interpretations to fit a limited repetoire of contexts.

I don't feel picked on. I feel a desire to defend my position. The only thing that I am asserting is that none of us knows exactly how the OWO or the PTB or the Shadow Government or whatever you want to call it works. I have not claimed that I "know" that there are satanists and pedophiles in the upper echelons of our government. I would say that the evidence suggests it (if anyone wants supporting evidence just PM me for links). I am saying that the military's admitted participation in black ops and secret operations, and it's secretive nature in general, calls into question this supposition that the military would have the same rules for it's secret teams as it does for it's publicly acknowledged teams. I think that the rules would be very different for classified non-acknowledged navy seal teams than they would be for a publicly acknowledged navy seal team. I think. I don't know. My point is that nobody knows. I don't know. best lion doesn't know. and you don't know. We don't know FOR SURE anyway... I was, and will continue, pointing out the difference between evidence and speculation. See where I'm coming from? I don't claim to know. I claim that none of us, except maybe those who were part of this specific alleged secret team, knows. Which may not not even exist therefore there is no way to know for sure. My purpose has always been, if you trace it back to my very first post on this thread, to stop all this speculation and just convince people to wait until we have more information.

[DreamsInDigital]

@ TargeT

Actually, Project Looking Glass is real, it existed or might still exist. It was part of the Project Montauk and the other associated "Black Projects" like Project Stargate, etc. There's actual documents on sites like Bibliotechapleyades and other sites if you google "Project Looking Glass."

[aranuk]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)
I'm saying that some people can't comprehend the motives even if you explain it to them simply. see what i mean?

I'm sorry, while I did quote your post I was not really speaking to you in that responce, I'm very cognicent of the public nature of these posts and generaly structure my writing for larger audiences.

I used you to make my own point, I apologize

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)

Posted by Heartsong (here)
I listened to both interviews. Some was credible some not.
What sounded fishy to me was his analogy about turning something around - he said something like "driving a boat"
Wouldn't it be more Navy-like to say "steering a ship"?
this was in the second interview about half way.

Yea I have to agree with dream in digital. That is a pretty silly technicality that doesn't mean much IMO.

but it IS based more on fact than any information on "project looking glass" (I'm not very well versed in this topic, but I guarentee you there is no hard evidence right? just hear-say? I'd put money on that being the case, though that does not prove or disprove much really, but it IS a factor.....) or many of the other things we discuss here... so as far as "silly goes" when we work with such slippery topics any gripping point (such as terminology used, manarism, body language, lack of documentation (or false documentation) etc..) is really all we have to work with as far as Discernment is concerned. (and thats what I see this thread as.. an exersize in discernment).

I mainly act on my intuition then find reasons to that others can accept to explain my position..

I FEEL he is a fraud (same with wilford and fulcock) and as such I start to analyse what is offered... the whole picture includes "silly technicalities" as well

It is clear by now that I am one of the ones who enjoyed the video. But I am following Target's logic and he makes sense to me, more so in his more recent posts. This driving a boat description I missed in the three hour long video, but I will take the word that he said it. My old man now passed on 13 yrs was in the navy during the war as an able seaman. He loved the war. He spoke about all his adventures. He would NEVER have said "driving a boat" he would have said steering a ship. He knew the difference between a boat and a ship. Two men in a boat 200 men in a ship.

Stan

[aranuk]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
I hope my agreeing with you does not diminish this excellent point made by you.

Oh man, I can only imagine what the two of us together in a bar would produce... probably an empty room due to heavy use of sarcasim & dry wit... hahaha

Could I join you both? I would like that. Yanow we would be the best of pals.

Stan

PS I'm sure Target would look after us old buggers Modwiz from the rest of the people at the bar.

[TargeT]

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
@ TargeT

Actually, Project Looking Glass is real, it existed or might still exist. It was part of the Project Montauk and the other associated "Black Projects" like Project Stargate, etc. There's actual documents on sites like Bibliotechapleyades and other sites if you google "Project Looking Glass."

documents of the names of the projects, their purpose, the equipment used & the outcome or documents describing a concept that may or may not have been acted on?

I'll have to look into that one more, as I said I'm not well versed... However:

... I swim in government documents all the time, I helped author a 500 page study on massive earth quakes in alaska, bridge collapses & how to react to it, this involved details that if ever read by someone "else" that wasn't aware this was a "sand box" exersize (training, conceptualization... ) they would have thought it actually happened and we actually stoped "looting gangs" etc....

That was called Vigilant Guard & if I spun the info the right way and offered documents I could have a lot of people believeing that Alaska had a major earth quake & thousands of people died.. ( I even have "fake" news clips etc.. from the exersize)

[DreamsInDigital]

You know, seriously it's impossible to send a logger into a forest to cut wood, when he can't even see the trees right infront of him. I'm not playing your games, or anyone else in this thread. It's ultimately irrelevant whether you believe those projects actually exist or don't. I know they do, I've seen the documentation, actual photos of the equipment used etc.. so continue playing your reindeer games. I've got better things to do than sit here talking in circles with someone in an unproductive manner. Anyone that wants to see for them selves those projects are real, can just research. I've given more than enough leads to people to find out the truth on their own.

[MHRD]

So, 27 pages of discussion and VERY little discussion of the message; more about what is wrong/right with messenger. We will never get anywhere if this continues..........................

[DreamsInDigital]

Well said MHRD, and then ofcourse those that try to move the conversation onto the important aspects of a thread or topic always get their heads bit off.

[Ixopoborn]

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
Well said MHRD, and then ofcourse those that try to move the conversation onto the important aspects of a thread or topic always get their heads bit off.

I could not agree more Dreams! Let's see if we can focus on the issues of Bill Wood's testimony.

[Nenuphar]

Posted by MHRD (here)
So, 27 pages of discussion and VERY little discussion of the message; more about what is wrong/right with messenger. We will never get anywhere if this continues..........................

I couldn't agree more.

[Cilka]

Hello Everyone,
I am not sure about you guys but after viewing Bill Wood's testimony I felt that there was something not OK with this guy. It's not that he was telling us only lies, he just did not seem like someone whose intentions were ALL positive; he seemed to be targeting David, like Bill W was grooming David for something. I could be just paranoid. Did anyone of you feel get any weird vibes from him? Or maybe it's just me.

[TargeT]

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
You know, seriously it's impossible to send a logger into a forest to cut wood, when he can't even see the trees right infront of him. I'm not playing your games, or anyone else in this thread. It's ultimately irrelevant whether you believe those projects actually exist or don't. I know they do, I've seen the documentation, actual photos of the equipment used etc.. so continue playing your reindeer games. I've got better things to do than sit here talking in circles with someone in an unproductive manner. Anyone that wants to see for them selves those projects are real, can just research. I've given more than enough leads to people to find out the truth on their own.

I don't care what you choose to question or not question, the validity of what he speaks of can be looked at seperately & apparently has (I'm just behind).

I don't know what games your speaking of, my message has been very clear (IMO?) & backed up by experience, (testimony?) and my attempt at logic.... I have as much (or more) credability than B.W....


if you think its irrelivant to corroborate the facts of a witness, if you think its a waste of time to find truth or lies in what he says.... I guess we live in very different worlds, you and I... I choose to K N O W as much as I can (which is basically nothing.. I know how to ask questions, haha)


I don't understand this vitriol, I don't see the frustration... you have to "vette" a witness, or ANYthing/body you are going to TRUST in some way.

are you saying this should not be done?

I've seen a lot of marginilization from people against the few that are actualy doing someting productive in this thread, you don't have to read it :-) I happen to like posting because I can go back and read it and gain a little more isight into who I am...


yes, he could be exactly what he says he is.. but what's the point of even SAYING that? I could be a millionare! but what are the facts ....... what is most probible based on the information at hand; that is what I'm looking for.

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
Well said MHRD, and then ofcourse those that try to move the conversation onto the important aspects of a thread or topic always get their heads bit off.

did you WATCH the interview?

what exactly do you deem "the important aspects" please, feel free to guide the conversation that way!

[Lazlo]

Posted by MHRD (here)
So, 27 pages of discussion and VERY little discussion of the message; more about what is wrong/right with messenger. We will never get anywhere if this continues..........................

I'll bite, in hopes of getting a good quality conversation going again. May I suggest, that for the time being, we assume that the messenger is anonymous. Allrighty then:

The US government uses special forces to do things that would be considered acts of war / illegal according to international law if they were acknowledged. No surprises here, so... moving on

Looking glass is real but was shut down for other reasons than those given by Dan Burisch. "Why keep looking at the future if it keeps telling us the same thing, which we don't like anyway."

We are powerful sprirtual beings and the truth is hidden from us (That's a good nod to just about every alternate forum on the web) Ditto for the "revelation" that there is a US Space Fleet.

Really, Really big things are coming this year and we will all be ascending in some form or another.

"Be a good person and do good things, but otherwise sit back and enjoy the ride, because me and DW have some big secrets and confirmations that we just can't share...Sorry about that, but it's for your own good...Free will and all, you know?"

The good guys have already won, but there is still going to be some death and destruction while the game plays out.

I'm probably forgetting something from the 4 1/2 hours of testimony (probably more like 3 total if you edit out DW).

What should we discuss?

I'm not being totally facetious here, I am just trying to figure out where we should go next, as there wasn't much that I can think of that was new.

[aranuk]

So what is our conclusion then? Is Bill Whateverishisname's testimony believable? Or not? I don't honestly think it is 100% true. But what the heck is anyone's?

Stan

[aranuk]

I posted mine Lazlo before I saw yours and in essence I think we are in agreement.

Stan

[Cilka]

My intuition is telling me that Bill Wood is a mole. I could be wrong, I don't have proof. Time will tell.

[TargeT]

Posted by Lazlo (here)

Posted by MHRD (here)
So, 27 pages of discussion and VERY little discussion of the message; more about what is wrong/right with messenger. We will never get anywhere if this continues..........................

I'll bite, in hopes of getting a good quality conversation going again. May I suggest, that for the time being, we assume that the messenger is anonymous. Allrighty then:

The US government uses special forces to do things that would be considered acts of war / illegal according to international law if they were acknowledged. No surprises here, so... moving on

Looking glass is real but was shut down for other reasons than those given by Dan Burisch. "Why keep looking at the future if it keeps telling us the same thing, which we don't like anyway."

We are powerful sprirtual beings and the truth is hidden from us (That's a good nod to just about every alternate forum on the web) Ditto for the "revelation" that there is a US Space Fleet.

Really, Really big things are coming this year and we will all be ascending in some form or another.

"Be a good person and do good things, but otherwise sit back and enjoy the ride, because me and DW have some big secrets and confirmations that we just can't share...Sorry about that, but it's for your own good...Free will and all, you know?"

The good guys have already won, but there is still going to be some death and destruction while the game plays out.

I'm probably forgetting something from the 4 1/2 hours of testimony (probably more like 3 total if you edit out DW).

What should we discuss?

I'm not being totally facetious here, I am just trying to figure out where we should go next, as there wasn't much that I can think of that was new.

I think thats a pretty good summary of the topics covered.. to me there isn't a lot to dicuss is there? (I personally assumed thats why the witness himself was talked about so much, but I guess I forget that not everyone watched the whole thing)

[modwiz]

I really feel that what matters most, the outcome in the very near future is about all of us and our characters and not Bill Woods'. Our infighting, however minor it is, helps those whose small numbers depend on us being distracted and as divided as possible. Whatever date, whatever destiny, in the future we are hurtling towards, the trajectory is being determined by us, in the here and now.

Use it as you see fit.

[Cilka]

Posted by modwiz (here)
I really feel that what matters most, the outcome in the very near future is about all of us and our characters and not Bill Woods'. Our infighting, however minor it is, helps those whose small numbers depend on us being distracted and as divided as possible. Whatever date, whatever destiny, in the future we are hurtling towards, the trajectory is being determined by us, in the here and now.

Use it as you see fit.

Well said Modwiz.