Here and Now...What's Happening?

[Belle]

Ernie, it sounds to me like you are speaking more about being judged by others. There is no justice in judgment...tho' some people believe they can justify their judgment against another. Does that make sense?

[9eagle9]

This reminded me of ...today...lol. My friend has a missing dog so I figured I'd take the long way home and yell for him and otherwise search for Elton as made my way back home.

First thing I see is a woman getting her garbage cans so I think I'm going to ask her if she's seen the dog. But I'm in my entirely disreputeable barn truck which is filth and hay rolling on 4 wheels. A more immediate problem occurs to me because....she's elderly. Before anything else, I ask her if she wants a hand with her garbage cans. So she grants me a nervous look , shakes her head, backing away and virtually rushes off staggering under the weight of her cans when I ask her if she's seen a little brown beagle. Can't help her, she can't help me. I am also very dis-reputeable looking as well, I don't do barn work in power suits and nylons.

Discouraged the next person I seen was a little boy. So I slowed down and realized...". Gee, do you think his parents will feel safe with you hanging out the door talking to him. Will he feel safe, with your messy head and unmade up face yelling over at him. No, I didn't even pause to ask him if he'd seen a small brown beagle.

And I thought, with all these conditions in place, how is it we are actually able to help each other.

Posted by Belle (here)

Posted by 1inMany (here)
All this 3D change, moving away from claustrophobia, makes the 3D me yearn and long for working in the forward direction instead of realizing things looking back. Wanting so desperately to do what I have been asked to do, or what I volunteered for, or...whatever I'm meant to do to evolve. I know that my most important role is being "Mama," as this new son lovingly calls me. But, that's not really what I mean. It's not my role, per se, that I want to know and be. It's who I am that I want to know and be. If I am to be honest with myself, there are far too many how-to's that resonate with me enough to send me off into the direction of each one.

As I read your post, a book that helped me came to mind..."Three Magic Words" by Uell S. Anderson. You can download a free PDF from here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...s-in-pdf/page2


From Chapter 1:

"We ask you to eradicate from your mind all notion of yourself that has to do with where you live,
where you were born, what you have done, and what your circumstances have been.
We ask you to concentrate on only one thing and that is the spirit within you.
This real you, this conscious hidden intelligence that exists behind your eyes, is
timeless, formless, and built from all the glory and magnificence that ever was. It is
not a name or a job or a home; indeed it has nothing to do with circumstance or
situation. The plain fact is that you exist. Dwell on that, nothing more.

I am.

Two more magnificent words were never put together. I am. This minute. This now.
All the time that ever was."

[Belle]

"I am who I am...take it or leave it." I heard my Dad say those words for as long as I can remember. He walked through his life to the very end comfortable in his own skin, knowing who he was. He never made apologies for his appearance or his mannerisms, was never self-conscious or uncomfortable in any situation....and people didn't notice what he didn't pay attention to, they only responded to "him".

One of the biggest lessons in my life. I am.

[ulli]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Why am I able to rant about freedom and FE and spirit and love and then stand aside and allow another's obvious lack of justice with such complacency? Or worse, with futile indignant outrage.

Where is the justice in this world, I ask you? Or, if I do not understand the term properly, maybe someone could enlighten me.

Two good questions. But are you really asking, Ernie?
You want to know why do you rant? How about, because you permit yourself? And how about asking if your family feel like listening?
Where is the injustice? And I don't mean out there...we never have enough information to really judge..
but I mean, here and now? In your home. Which is all we can ever be looking at, if we want to be realistic.
Maybe you need to shift your perception of things a bit.
Have you really looked?
Personally, maybe I'm more like your sister, I see a bit of both, justice as well as injustice. And I'm not really sure about either, as there are always other hidden things, like Karma.
Right here, every Friday, people come and collect their wages. As agreed upon by both parties beforehand. Justice.

I can also see some who think they are being punished. Like the guy in the gate house...he is a binge drinker and last week his wife could not take his abusive behavior when he is drunk and so she finally moved out. Of course he doesn't remember what he did to her at those times and considers himself innocent.
He now feels she was treating him unfairly. Thinks she punished him.
But she just couldn't take him any more, so she did the one thing any normal person would do and moved into her comfort zone...nothing to do with punishment.
Justice is about reward and punishment, and both exist. Justice means balance and balance is visible when seen in a long-term context.

I believe you have a tendency to go into a distorted vision of the greater picture at times and then make your family members uncomfortable. And since you probably can't face that aspect of yourself they feel you might be a lost cause.

Shadow work means facing the stuff everyone else can see but oneself is in denial about.
Most people I have met have a really good opinion of themselves. They judge themselves by their intentions only, not their actions, facial expressions, rants, their lack of consideration towards others.
Yet everyone has the potential to get on someone else's nerves after a while and usually that is exactly what makes families move apart.
If they all focused on the Here and Now they'd be anchored in reality and families would get along the way they are meant to.

[modwiz]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
Ha ha, thanks Playdo!


First you visualize the *truncated* pyramid, imagining the stone as the body, and you see the capstone as a smaller pyramid of white light above, and you see the capstone lower into place, whereupon the whole of the pyramid becomes infused with the light of the capstone.

after that the whole pyramid wil form spontaneously, without the initial steps. It's been a while since we were doing it with the first part, playdo.

That is exactly what happened to me in 1988. My capstone came down to me and landed on my truncated pyramid. My life has never been the same since.

[PurpleLama]

Wow, mod, that's crazy, it happened to me and playdo pretty much simultaneously in 2008 while we were talking to each other on the phone. Any time since, just thinking of it, it's there and the energy is intense. WHOOSH Whoosh

[PurpleLama]

Posted by ulli (here)
Yet everyone has the potential to get on someone else's nerves after a while....

Some talented persons, like myself, can often achieve this effect very quickly....

[Guest]

My family can stir up more in me than I care to admit. I don't play in their sandbox very often either.....
I do not have a very close relationship with my sister -I had to change directions with her
My father too, aunts, uncles and a couple of my grandparents.
They watch Fox news, TV programs......., talk loudly.....etc and do the racial slur thing too..... this is just some of the societal issue....
do I judge them? sometimes; do I wish they would at least try to change their proogramming? yes. If I wait around for acceptance or (agreements to my view points) from them I might turn into an old lady. I don't try to convince them of anything.... sometimes I have to go in through a side door or create a doorway..... just like in this thread it has created a lot of doorways for me.....
and my brother lost, in a psychotropic rabbit hole -brilliant mind and musician and he makes the most sense out of all them.... really.....I am probably the closest to him and don't talk to him very often....

I love them all very much -we're all on different planes.....

Quite a few years ago, I moved to the southern midwest of the states for a job. I was standing on a sidewalk outside of a cafe with a few of the local people.... and an elderly man walked inside, got a cup of coffee and came back outside and sat down at one of the tables. He seemed pretty harmless enough so I went over to talk with him. I was new to the area thought it would be good to socialize and get to know the area a little and the people. While I was standing there talking with the elderly gentlemen about the town and some of his life there, someone came over and grabbed my arm and pulled me away from the man and asked me what I was doing. I said what do you mean what I am doing? He said what are you doing talking to them kind? and said what do you mean them kind as I am looking around; looking for what he was talking about. So he pointed to the elderly man I was talking to. I finally figured out that he was referring to the man's ethnicity. My reply to him was, "Please forgive my ignorance, I am from California" and walked back over to the elderly man and sat down at his table. Had a great conversation.

Love

Nora

we are all related

[eaglespirit]

4th step inventory...bringing this here...addiction does not have to be an issue for personal things that we hold on to to be an issue and stagnate us!
I feel this can and will compliment anyone's shadow work or anyone that may still be wrestling with some things. Many things in this process may have already been worked out...but other things may still need some wrenching. Look it over...if there is a hmmm there, maybe give that particular hmmm a whirl with this process. And please simply overlook the drug and alcohol references...if you take a look.
http://www.royy.com/step4.pdf

[Ernie Nemeth]

Sorry, thought it was a point for discussion. Forgot where I am. Won't happen again, I can promise you.

[Cottage Rose]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
I would like to share what I did not say about that dinner party for my sister.
In her speech, she did not mention me at all. Actually neither did she mention our other sister or my mother so I shouldn't take offense.

For many years my sister loved me with the love of a little sister. She helped me when she could and I did what I could for her as well. We were not inseperable or anything like that but she was my first student of truth. But she never believed me and my theories and thoughts. We argued incessantly about the merits of this society (her), or lack thereof (me). She became to me the embodiment of all the evils of this world. She became the enemy.
Not long after that, we had a falling out and we drifted apart to where today I do not see her or talk to her except for Christmas and birthdays.

Her speech brought home to me the alienation I have had to endure at the hands of my family. I am not only the black sheep, I am the epitome of the reason to reject all conspiracy theories and accept all the rhetoric of those in authority. I was deemed the loser, a secret term not used in my presence but employed in every conversation I've ever had with them. I am not to be believed, I am not to be emulated, I am not to be accepted.

And this has brought to mind the idea of justice. I saw it mentioned, justice, either here or on Wade's thread, not sure. And I realized that a lot of my problems stem from a skewed view of what justice is - and how it comes about.

Justice is never personal. Not true justice, at least. If I have to uphold justice for myself then I can have no justice. I can only uphold justice for another. And to uphold justice means that I must act with integrity against injustice in any form. How do I know what justice I need or deserve unless another upholds it for me? In this world justice means what someone else has said on the subject. It is not "our" justice, it is someone else's. I know this becuase I have done nothing wrong, nothing different, all my years and find myself barely able to get by anymore. Why?
Because the justice you uphold for me allows for my predicament - it is even condoned, perhaps considered well deserved even.
But how can that be? I love, I laugh, I reach out, I care, I work hard, I'm intelligent, I'm passionate. Just exactly which activity, which personal quality deserves me to be denegrated and side-lined? Which horrible character trait deserves this sort of justice?

Now, take that personal bastardization of justice and apply it to the world in general. What child's justice deserves to be blown apart by bombs? Which mother derserves the justice of seeing their sons mutilated and murdered (inspired by today's "gotta see this vid", thread)? Where is the justice in this world? Why do I allow such atrocities? Why am I able to rant about freedom and FE and spirit and love and then stand aside and allow another's obvious lack of justice with such complacency? Or worse, with futile indignant outrage.

Where is the justice in this world, I ask you? Or, if I do not understand the term properly, maybe someone could enlighten me.

I share your background and empathize, Ernie. In juxtaposition to a wave becoming a particle once it is measured: The "measurements" of family members, taken with their unique measuring devices can create a skewed version of one's self that is a lengthy struggle to overcome. Intense energy is required to replace their version with a new measurement based upon our own truth. Sometimes spending time with these family members serves only to reinforce the version of us they created, necessitating another energetic erasure process. After enough circular rounds, are we obligated to continue playing the game?

I now believe it acceptable to demand a certain level of coherence from individuals allowed within close proximity.

[9eagle9]

that's good. I have similar plan that is called 'the issue' and then it's opposite is the 'way out. '

I've noticed with myself and my own healing process that once you reach the tipping point there's a risk of become a pepetual self healer. It's like the person who stays in college until they are 40, because they can't align themselves with their knowledge to go put it to practical fullfillment and purpose. We learn to become accountants say, but we don't do that to do our own accounting. We do it to help others with their accounting.

We heal the wound and the thoughts and the feelings attached to it but we in error continue trying to heal the actual fact of the experience that put them there in the first place. And we can't and shouldn't make it go away (as if we could) because shapes us. There comes a point where we have give the whole thing up to our Source and havit e it transformed to where the experience is accepted as an essential part of ourselves without anything attached to it and transformed into how 'my experience can show other's how to facilitate this within themselves. '

Posted by eaglespirit (here)
4th step inventory...bringing this here...addiction does not have to be an issue for personal things that we hold on to to be an issue and stagnate us!
I feel this can and will compliment anyone's shadow work or anyone that may still be wrestling with some things. Many things in this process may have already been worked out...but other things may still need some wrenching. Look it over...if there is a hmmm there, maybe give that particular hmmm a whirl with this process. And please simply overlook the drug and alcohol references...if you take a look.
http://www.royy.com/step4.pdf

[modwiz]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
I would like to share what I did not say about that dinner party for my sister.
In her speech, she did not mention me at all. Actually neither did she mention our other sister or my mother so I shouldn't take offense.

For many years my sister loved me with the love of a little sister. She helped me when she could and I did what I could for her as well. We were not inseperable or anything like that but she was my first student of truth. But she never believed me and my theories and thoughts. We argued incessantly about the merits of this society (her), or lack thereof (me). She became to me the embodiment of all the evils of this world. She became the enemy.
Not long after that, we had a falling out and we drifted apart to where today I do not see her or talk to her except for Christmas and birthdays.

Her speech brought home to me the alienation I have had to endure at the hands of my family. I am not only the black sheep, I am the epitome of the reason to reject all conspiracy theories and accept all the rhetoric of those in authority. I was deemed the loser, a secret term not used in my presence but employed in every conversation I've ever had with them. I am not to be believed, I am not to be emulated, I am not to be accepted.

And this has brought to mind the idea of justice. I saw it mentioned, justice, either here or on Wade's thread, not sure. And I realized that a lot of my problems stem from a skewed view of what justice is - and how it comes about.

Justice is never personal. Not true justice, at least. If I have to uphold justice for myself then I can have no justice. I can only uphold justice for another. And to uphold justice means that I must act with integrity against injustice in any form. How do I know what justice I need or deserve unless another upholds it for me? In this world justice means what someone else has said on the subject. It is not "our" justice, it is someone else's. I know this becuase I have done nothing wrong, nothing different, all my years and find myself barely able to get by anymore. Why?
Because the justice you uphold for me allows for my predicament - it is even condoned, perhaps considered well deserved even.
But how can that be? I love, I laugh, I reach out, I care, I work hard, I'm intelligent, I'm passionate. Just exactly which activity, which personal quality deserves me to be denegrated and side-lined? Which horrible character trait deserves this sort of justice?

Now, take that personal bastardization of justice and apply it to the world in general. What child's justice deserves to be blown apart by bombs? Which mother derserves the justice of seeing their sons mutilated and murdered (inspired by today's "gotta see this vid", thread)? Where is the justice in this world? Why do I allow such atrocities? Why am I able to rant about freedom and FE and spirit and love and then stand aside and allow another's obvious lack of justice with such complacency? Or worse, with futile indignant outrage.

Where is the justice in this world, I ask you? Or, if I do not understand the term properly, maybe someone could enlighten me.

I seems to me that someone stuck a 'kick me' sign on your back that you are unaware of. Everyone else, especially family, can see it very clearly though. They must have put it on you while you were too high to notice.

I'll trade you your day for mine. I have nobody I can tell about themselves, just anonymous punk(s) who skulk in the dark.

I had/have family members who gave me crap about who I was and how I conducted myself. I have not seen them for decades, on purpose. Wizzy don't play dat.

[ulli]

Hi Modwiz...we've all been turned into kitties I see. At least we can now meow in each other's language and no one but us will understand.

[astrid]

Ditto on the family stuff,
yet another reason for my online
persona.

It gives me the space i need away from others
that were sucking on my energy.

That and its another way of respecting another's rights to their take on things.
It's just not a reality i exist in anymore , nor have i energy for.
They have their space and i have mine.
And it's all good.

[Carmody]

Posted by astrid (here)
Very much in a Neptunian place right now,
which is not surprising given more I'm in non- ordinary reality
these days. It's all good. Just kind of can't relate much right now
to the going ons in the ordinary one.

Now you know how I feel with my (finally understanding it) Neptunian shadow cast over my chart. Like the Rug the Dude had, 'it holds the room together'.

[ulli]

Here and Now, new law in Costa Rica.
Individuals can now successfully fight back at banks who use the telephone to harass clients,
whether offering credit cards or demanding personal information on the whereabouts of family members.

[Guest]

We heal the wound and the thoughts and the feelings attached to it but we in error continue trying to heal the actual fact of the experience that put them there in the first place. And we can't and shouldn't make it go away (as if we could) because shapes us. There comes a point where we have give the whole thing up to our Source and havit e it transformed to where the experience is accepted as an essential part of ourselves without anything attached to it and transformed into how 'my experience can show other's how to facilitate this within themselves. '

I share your background and empathize, Ernie. In juxtaposition to a wave becoming a particle once it is measured: The "measurements" of family members, taken with their unique measuring devices can create a skewed version of one's self that is a lengthy struggle to overcome. Intense energy is required to replace their version with a new measurement based upon our own truth. Sometimes spending time with these family members serves only to reinforce the version of us they created, necessitating another energetic erasure process. After enough circular rounds, are we obligated to continue playing the game?

I now believe it acceptable to demand a certain level of coherence from individuals allowed within close proximity.

I seems to me that someone stuck a 'kick me' sign on your back that you are unaware of. Everyone else, especially family, can see it very clearly though. They must have put it on you while you were too high to notice.

I'll trade you your day for mine. I have nobody I can tell about themselves, just anonymous punk(s) who skulk in the dark.

I had/have family members who gave me crap about who I was and how I conducted myself. I have not seen them for decades, on purpose. Wizzy don't play dat.

Thank you

For me having peace in an unjust world is justice. Remaining myself in a family and world that does not want me to be who I am -is my justice. I have done a lot of de-programming within myself. The last paragraph of my above post is an example of that. I grew up in an area where I will just say were very heavy anti-race groups -most of them wore suits.... but I was the one who had to become aware of my programming and then do something about it. This is my justice. -I was 13 when I realized what was going on..... and got out as soon as I could.

Love

Nora

we are all related

[modwiz]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by astrid (here)
Very much in a Neptunian place right now,
which is not surprising given more I'm in non- ordinary reality
these days. It's all good. Just kind of can't relate much right now
to the going ons in the ordinary one.

Now you know how I feel with my (finally understanding it) Neptunian shadow cast over my chart. Like the Rug the Dude had, 'it holds the room together'.

I'm not sure any of us will ever know how you feel.............but we're trying.

[Carmody]

Posted by Belle (here)
It always amazes me how quickly this thread moves...and how long it takes to catch up!

Long two days this past weekend. It felt like everyone around me was losing it big time...lots of anger, frustration and intense emotion over what appeared to me to be minor things. Found my center and stayed there...eye of the hurricane. Funny thing, though...the calmer I became, the more intense the emotions around me seemed to become.

Can you smell the freshly ground coffee brewing? Mmmmm, smells so good. Thinking about having breakfast outside on the deck...even tho' it's only 31 degrees F, the sun is shining so brightly it warms me inside. Heirloom oranges and fresh homemade yoghurt...breakfast of champions.

the most sobering thought concerning coffee is that it ended up being one of ~THE~ driving forces of 'Britannia'. ....the Gentleman's coffee houses where the trade and exploration/exploitation agreements happened.