No Mosque at Ground Zero ! (video)

[Deega]

Posted by Rimbaud (here)
No seat of power???..What do you think Mecca is? an illusion?..Islam is a horrible Draconian, woman hating..free speech hating..long hair hating, liberal hating intolerable and hideous. In short I live in France where the Burka has been banned in public places..Islam is the worst of all Religions..it's a disgrace and should be put down as an anathema!

Rimbaud

Hi/Bonjour Rimbaud,

Thank you very much for the different posts that you submitted to this Tread! I may not bring something new to the question of religion domination, exploitation, nevertheless, here is a few comments.

Questions of religion touch deep down in our emotions, and we may react directly, dryly, when we feel that one (religion) abuses people. Unfortunately, they (religions) are caught up in duality, caught in power manifest to hold their ground (dogma, laws, etc), communicate their agenda and maintained their followers. I humble think that all of them may be accused of overpowering their followers… at one time or another!

I think that education is one great way (although not perfect) to irradicate slowly, gradually the seed of faith domination…, what is it that could be done (not by war) to instill progressive love, compassion, understanding in the people of the world?, is it a hopeless case…! Maybe, this dream is to large to fullfill…? Do we need a catastrophy to make a difference…?

Living conditions in the world vary from the wealthiest nations to the poorest. And now a day, it seems that religions take hold in the poorer nations where education is probably lacking, may we make a difference if we get involved…?, and how should we get involved…!

Thanks again for your comments, your response is appreciated!

All my blessings.

Deega

[John Parslow]

Hello Rimbaud

Sorry only just got round to reading your reply, I made reference to the first half a minute or so of the first video - didn't go any further. The bit about should there or shouldn't there be a mosque (for that matter a church or any other place of worship) built at ground zero. I personally do not subscribe to any religion but suffer no qualms from people that do. Isn't this life about us all being able to pursue our own path to spiritual enlightenment or did I miss something?

Slightly concerned that you suspect we will 'have a row' about it, I certainly hope this isn't so, your opinion is as valid as mine isn't it?

Love and peace to you my friend. JP AKA The Duffer in the Hat

[Rimbaud]

Posted by John Parslow (here)
Hello Rimbaud

Sorry only just got round to reading your reply, I made reference to the first half a minute or so of the first video - didn't go any further. The bit about should there or shouldn't there be a mosque (for that matter a church or any other place of worship) built at ground zero. I personally do not subscribe to any religion but suffer no qualms from people that do. Isn't this life about us all being able to pursue our own path to spiritual enlightenment or did I miss something?

Slightly concerned that you suspect we will 'have a row' about it, I certainly hope this isn't so, your opinion is as valid as mine isn't it?

Love and peace to you my friend. JP AKA The Duffer in the Hat

Dear John Parslow,

Actually I don't want a row with anyone... I'm sorry because I''m a bit of a Jekyll/Hyde sort of character...sometimes I want to challenge all that I read, and often get cross by the stupidity of some contributors...Other times I want to envelope them in love! A dual personality perhaps. By way of saying sorry if I sounded abrupt to you..I absolutely concur with what you say about each and every one of us finding our own personal way towards enlightenment.

Please excuse my crappy English...I've been in France for so long that my grammar is getting mixed up these days.

Cheers John

Rimbaud

[Rimbaud]

Posted by Deega (here)
Hi/Bonjour Rimbaud,

Thank you very much for the different posts that you submitted to this Tread! I may not bring something new to the question of religion domination, exploitation, nevertheless, here is a few comments.

Questions of religion touch deep down in our emotions, and we may react directly, dryly, when we feel that one (religion) abuses people. Unfortunately, they (religions) are caught up in duality, caught in power manifest to hold their ground (dogma, laws, etc), communicate their agenda and maintained their followers. I humble think that all of them may be accused of overpowering their followers… at one time or another!

I think that education is one great way (although not perfect) to irradicate slowly, gradually the seed of faith domination…, what is it that could be done (not by war) to instill progressive love, compassion, understanding in the people of the world?, is it a hopeless case…! Maybe, this dream is to large to fullfill…? Do we need a catastrophy to make a difference…?

Living conditions in the world vary from the wealthiest nations to the poorest. And now a day, it seems that religions take hold in the poorer nations where education is probably lacking, may we make a difference if we get involved…?, and how should we get involved…!

Thanks again for your comments, your response is appreciated!

All my blessings.

Deega

I was totally out of order in so many ways, yet you were kind towards my bigoted rant! I should have explained that my 14 year old cousin had just been blinded in his left eye in an un-prevoked attack by a bunch of immigrants (Pakistani) who'd only just arrived in the UK with a diplomatic visa. My cousin is half blind while these pigs get off scott free. I'm sorry for my earlier vitriolic comments but I was feeling rather angry at the time.

Actually I do accept Islamic faith..I maintain that it is a brutal and cruel anachronistic dogmatic faith..I also accept that modern Christianity fares little better with all those little boys being buggered all over the World. I live in one of the most awesome parts of the Planet and yet can't get passed how rotten it all is

Rimbaud

[John Parslow]

Hello again Rimbaud my Friend

So pleased that you do not want a fisticuffs with me I fear you would undoubtedly win. I see we do share the same angle (no not Angel) in that - it is a good way to move forward by challenging everything - that is the reason I wanted to join this Forum in the first place ...

... and having seen some of the contributions, I tend to agree with you. It may be well to take on board that all of the contributors are disparate elements, with differing backgrounds; and obviously very different educations in the 'School of life' but I think (I hope) we are all heading in roughly the same direction, most of us unsure how to get there or indeed where we are going but ultimately travelling together.

Just as a thought - perhaps the contributors who make you cross are indeed the ones who need a cuddle and sending some love. I cannot excuse your crappy English because these is nothing to excuse.

I would just to thank you for your contact and sincerely hope we can share more thoughts on this incredible journey ... Bon Nois man ami. JP

[Rimbaud]

Posted by John Parslow (here)
Hello again Rimbaud my Friend

So pleased that you do not want a fisticuffs with me I fear you would undoubtedly win. I see we do share the same angle (no not Angel) in that - it is a good way to move forward by challenging everything - that is the reason I wanted to join this Forum in the first place ...

... and having seen some of the contributions, I tend to agree with you. It may be well to take on board that all of the contributors are disparate elements, with differing backgrounds; and obviously very different educations in the 'School of life' but I think (I hope) we are all heading in roughly the same direction, most of us unsure how to get there or indeed where we are going but ultimately travelling together.

Just as a thought - perhaps the contributors who make you cross are indeed the ones who need a cuddle and sending some love. I cannot excuse your crappy English because these is nothing to excuse.

I would just to thank you for your contact and sincerely hope we can share more thoughts on this incredible journey ... Bon Nois man ami. JP

John,

How could you possibly have guessed that the very folk that I argue with on this site are the ones that I want to send my love to. I'm an ex soldier and simply want to protect them all!..My frustration is that I can't do it! I think that I could just about squeeze 120 folk in my home..anyone who could make their way down here if the Sh*t ever hits the fan. Anyway this is a discussion for another time

Best regards

Rimbaud

[East Sun]

Make no mistake the sophisticated propaganda and manipulation by the Govts. of the citizens and as much as they can of everyone else is reaching the point where it is not working anymore. We are aware more and more every day. Big Brother is a joke compared to the actual facts of our situation in our world today. The internet is the greatest thing. We are all one in a very significant way.

[Rimbaud]

Posted by East Sun (here)
Make no mistake the sophisticated propaganda and manipulation by the Govts. of the citizens and as much as they can of everyone else is reaching the point where it is not working anymore. We are aware more and more every day. Big Brother is a joke compared to the actual facts of our situation in our world today. The internet is the greatest thing. We are all one in a very significant way.

Thanks for that East Sun..maybe we can get a sober version of your last comments tomorrow! Go to bed with a few pills and a hot water bottle! My own remedy!

Goodnight all!

Rimbaud

[East Sun]

Posted by Rimbaud (here)
Thanks for that East Sun..maybe we can get a sober version of your last comments tomorrow! Go to bed with a few pills and a hot water bottle! My own remedy!

Goodnight all!

Rimbaud

A hot water bottle in 80 degrees F? Way off. Don't need pills. A few beers for inspiration, yeah. Tomorrow my comments would be the same. "We are all one in a very significant way," that I believe. Wait awhile, Rimbaud, it will come to you.............eventually.

[Humble Janitor]

Rimbaud,

I feel the exact same way about Christianity. But, no one's complaining about the new mega-churches that spring up in small towns. No one's complaining about the construction of kingdom halls or whatever. To pain Islam with such a hateful brush, is to buy into the propaganda that governments have spread about it. Do you realize that many Americans feel that all muslims are terrorists? Do you know how dangerous such behavior is?

Apparently not, hence your vile attack on Islam. ALL religions are control devices.

[Deega]

Posted by Rimbaud (here)
I was totally out of order in so many ways, yet you were kind towards my bigoted rant! I should have explained that my 14 year old cousin had just been blinded in his left eye in an un-prevoked attack by a bunch of immigrants (Pakistani) who'd only just arrived in the UK with a diplomatic visa. My cousin is half blind while these pigs get off scott free. I'm sorry for my earlier vitriolic comments but I was feeling rather angry at the time.

Actually I do accept Islamic faith..I maintain that it is a brutal and cruel anachronistic dogmatic faith..I also accept that modern Christianity fares little better with all those little boys being buggered all over the World. I live in one of the most awesome parts of the Planet and yet can't get passed how rotten it all is

Rimbaud

Thanks Rimbaud for your reply,

How sad for your cousin to loose an eye, all my best wishes of recovery to him!

Even though their diplomatic immunity (Pakistani) protect them from procecution, do you see a way under the law to get them or it's impossible...!

All my blessings.

Deega

[Deega]

Hi All avalonians and visitors,

Here is a follow-up (article Chris McGreel, Guardian, August 12, 2010) on this Tread, if you're interested, you may check this link.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...e-islamophobia

All my blessings.

Deega

[Humble Janitor]

Again, will these people picket the next mega-church that opens in this country?

Seriously, all this bigotry towards Islam should also focus on the shortcomings of the Christian/Catholic religious complex.

[Deega]

Posted by Humble Janitor (here)
Again, will these people picket the next mega-church that opens in this country?

Seriously, all this bigotry towards Islam should also focus on the shortcomings of the Christian/Catholic religious complex.

Thanks Humble Janitor,

It seems that there is a paradigm shift in followers of religions. Christian/Catholic still hold ground in the poorer countries of the World, but in developped countries, I think that it is loosing bataille.

In the Islamic Religion, they seem to hold pretty good ground also in the less developped countries, but I think that they are wise, they settled somewhere in Europe, US, Canada, Autralia to name a few, and they keep asking for the "charia" law, veil for women, etc. So they have propagation principles to may dissiminate their faith through time...?, who knows...!

All my blessings.

Deega

[Deega]

Hi All avalonians, visitors,

Here is a follow up on what the Hamas leadership has to say about the mosque Ground Zero.

Hamas leader: Ground zero mosque must be built
AP foreign, Monday August 16 2010

NEW YORK (AP) — A Hamas leader says Muslims "have to build" a mosque near ground zero.
Mahmoud al-Zahar said Muslims "have to build everywhere" so that followers can pray, just like Christians and Jews build their places of worship.

Al-Zahar spoke Sunday on "Aaron Klein Investigative Radio" on WABC-AM. He is a co-founder of Hamas and its chief on the Gaza Strip.

Sen. Chuck Schumer says Al-Zahar's comments don't carry any weight because Hamas is a terrorist organization. Schumer hasn't taken a stand on the mosque.

Rep. Peter King, who opposes the mosque, says he won't respond to Hamas.

The mosque is a project of the Cordoba Initiative, an advocacy group that promotes improved relations between Islam and the West. It didn't respond to Al-Zahar's comments.
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Information from: New York Post, http://www.nypost.com

All my blessings.

Deega

[Majorion]

Posted by Rimbaud (here)
I was totally out of order in so many ways, yet you were kind towards my bigoted rant! I should have explained that my 14 year old cousin had just been blinded in his left eye in an un-prevoked attack by a bunch of immigrants (Pakistani) who'd only just arrived in the UK with a diplomatic visa. My cousin is half blind while these pigs get off scott free. I'm sorry for my earlier vitriolic comments but I was feeling rather angry at the time.

Okay so we're supposed to believe criminals whom you know to be Pakistani assaulted your 14 year old cousin for-no-reason-whatsoever and you also just happen to know those people are muslim and directly acting on their faith through violence. And thus the dozens of cultures in between and over a billion people are all criminals.

I am less inclined to take your word here, quite frankly your story doesn't add up.

[Rimbaud]

Majorion.

You've missed my point...I'm not here to try to convince you of anything.

Rimbaud

[Humble Janitor]

And we're not here to deal with such rubbish. If you hate Muslims, go post at ATS or GLP or any of the other bigoted disinformation sites with people who are only fooling themselves by thinking they're somehow "awakened".

We've been had because here we are, arguing over what should be a non-issue. I honestly could care less because I know the government was behind 9/11. Unfortunately, there are fools that are still asleep who think that all Muslims are responsible for 9/11.

[Rimbaud]

Humble Janitor,

Where on Earth have you ever heard me being offensive towards Muslims? I have never ..ever said any such thing!...I am more likely to criticise hypocrisy amongst Some bizarre sects of Christianity and it's off shoots. i have never mentioned Islam, but am likely to in the future and hope that we can have a lively debate without a sense of insult or offence..Otherwise we'd both better keep quiet don't you think?

Rimbaud

[Rimbaud]

Posted by Majorion (here)
Okay so we're supposed to believe criminals whom you know to be Pakistani assaulted your 14 year old cousin for-no-reason-whatsoever and you also just happen to know those people are muslim and directly acting on their faith through violence. And thus the dozens of cultures in between and over a billion people are all criminals.

I am less inclined to take your word here, quite frankly your story doesn't add up.

Sorry..It's me who missed the point as usual...I retract and apologise

Rimbaud