Concrete, Experiential Proof that You are Not Your Body

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Flash (here)
Give it time, give it time. Not only different hours around the planet are in cause for not reading, but also PEOPLE ARE WORKING. My life is soooo busy that sometimes I have only the week ends or one day a week to get on the 2 forums I am part of. And then, I won't write being too tired, but I do read.

Other times, (depending on the season) my time is more elastic and I will be more present.

You never know where you throw the stone and how the ripples will reach the shore. Give it time, and moslty, do not mind about results. Send and pitch, whomever is in need will probably be directed to your thread through serendipity.

Voilà

"Ah! Ces impatiences de l'égo. La sagesse est très patiente. Elle attend parfois des milliers d'années.

Oh! those ego's impatiences. Wisdom is very patient, it waits sometimes for thousands of years."

Author: me

Oh, Flash, it is you that should be on the other side of this pen and paper. Your words make me have the courage to bring it home and do it proud! Thank you for coaxing me out of my small world to remember the larger perspective.
With heart,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[RunningDeer]

Posted by butcherman (here)
you are on the right track will be back to post later when have a bit of time

Butcherman

Butcherman, I've got my calendar circled in green and blue and gold. And in the meantime, I will think and write and express with clarity and intent.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Paul (here)
This thread remains alive and well (not to be deleted) ... by general concensus.

"OH, mooooooo", she replied with delight and cheer! xo, WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[RunningDeer]

Posted by modwiz (here)
OK. I agree. There is so much on this forum that is not new for me. I think it is a very valuable thread with powerful message that any one can benefit from if they have not already arrived at this knowledge.

Pressure. Pressure. Feeling like a fake. But it know "this too shall pass."... Wizard-Man, I may reach out for your help. And I know, you know, from one hermit to another that's big.


xo, WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[NeverMind]

Paula, I admire the stamina of your heart more than I can say. Really.


(You did say we were free to wander off topic. :-))

[RunningDeer]

Posted by NeverMind (here)

Have you tried seeing with your eyes closed? I often try it and often have the sensation that I can see everything clearly.

There is no doubt in my mind that sight, as well as the other senses, is "non-local", so to speak, because certain substances can induce this.
(I am not talking about hard drugs, or even marihuana; I have no experience with the former, and relatively little - most boooooring - with the latter.)

Based on my own experiences with seeing through closed eyelids in total darkness - most of which came seemingly unprovoked, out of nowhere - the best is to forget that you "can't" see unless your eyelids are open. :-)

Oh, I'll copy that down as a reminder to ponder on because I think, I think I know this.

Thank you, NeverMind (Oh, seems like I've taken on new understand of your name after reading your post here.)

ox, WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[RunningDeer]

Posted by NeverMind (here)

Exercise: While under the covers, in absolute blackness, where visual sensation is zero I ran a finger over my face.

Another thing I just remembered: if you want a scarily intense experience, stay in a tub of warm water in a totally blacked-out bathroom (preferably with no windows), until your everyday You starts to dissolve in all sorts of memories and sensations you never knew you had.

You can also do it without water. Then, it's a different experience, also very intense.

Who are you? she asked...
(I was going to add a smile icon, but seems a bit trite after this post. PS I had to look up the word "trite" - of little importance, inconsequential.)

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Carmen (here)
Ah, dear op, I remember well starting a thread to have it totally ignored! My ego would be quite miffed! Even now, I sometimes think i am a thread killer. I finally post something on a thread and the whole thing drops out of sight!!

The experienced members just keep bumping their threads when they have something to add. You write words of wisdom, keep it up.

One only has to observe a dead human to know that what made them, them, has gone. Therefore the person is not the body, it is what animates the body and is therefore unseen, invisible, spiritual. Our bodies are the clothes we wear. That realization is a biggy to 3d humans.

I'm still laughing at your thread killer. It hits me so funny:

I sometimes think i am a thread killer. I finally post something on a thread and the whole thing drops out of sight!!

Updated this cuz, can't for the life of me wondered why I added. And also I did share with Carmen. And I am in full appreciation of Carmen facing the fear and ego nibblers. It's a joyously funny account.

[modwiz]

Merlin lived in the woods, Lao-Tzu went to live in the wilderness. When you have some answers that can help you generally find trouble and it is wise to just shut up and keep your own company to insure your health. Jesus is a good example of what happens when you hang with the locals. Actually, the prophets of Israel met unpleasant ends as a rule, IIRC. What's the sense of even a little enlightenment without the peace to enjoy it? I can chop my own wood and carry my own water. Incessant yakking while doing those things does not make them easier.

I am not my body, but I do enjoy the interfacing with this gorgeous Goddess of a planet with the vehicle of Her body.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
Removing thread due to poor interest. Thanks to all that visited. I hope it brings one to a different place of understanding. Peace. WhiteCrowBlackDeer

The only place to get immediate feedback is in the chat room. (I usually feel overwhelmed in the chat area when lots of text messages start flying, so it doesn't work well for me, but some folks like the chat area.)

I only saw your post just now - and I was on last night for a bit. Now that I saw it, the thread title drew me right in, so I'm sure I did not see the title and skip over it. I'm not sure why my eyes or the forum software's algorithms sometimes seem to miss some threads.

Give it a bit of time.

Can you describe (the indescribable) in words: can you tell us what you felt? Does it appear that there is a separate "doer" of the action and an "experiencer"?


Dennis

Can you describe (the indescribable) in words: can you tell us what you felt? Does it appear that there is a separate "doer" of the action and an "experiencer"? Give it a bit of time.

Hello, Dennis, I've added more since your post with these questions. Hope this answers at least some of what you asked.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by NeverMind (here)
Paula, I admire the stamina of your heart more than I can say. Really.


(You did say we were free to wander off topic. :-))

Dearest, NeverMind,
I'm choking back happy tears...
Paula, ox

[RunningDeer]

I've deleted because sharing this makes me feel too vulnerable.

[NeverMind]

Jesus is a good example of what happens when you hang with the locals.

Ah, but he, too, went to the wilderness for the proverbial "40 days" , and defeated the devil there.
That's what we are supposed to be commemorating right now, during the 40 days of Lent.
(My own fast isn't going as well as I hoped it would be, but better than I thought it would. :-))

a Warrior never speaks for there is power in silence

Truer words were never spoken.
That's what I keep telling people, but they just won't listen.

:-)

Only, it's more than about invisibility, I think.
I feel it's about being safe from one's own.... I don't even know what exactly it is, but it comes from our material Self that, being ridden with doubts and insecurities and limitations, saps the energy of that Self that transcends the material. (It sounds clunky, I know - that's my material Self writing for you. : ))

[RunningDeer]

by WhiteCrowBlackDeer: "...a Warrior never speaks for there is power in silence"

Response by NeverMind: Truer words were never spoken.
That's what I keep telling people, but they just won't listen.

Maybe because you are speaking. Conundrum. I suspect that if one exudes silent power, they will listen.

Only, it's more than about invisibility, I think.
I feel it's about being safe from one's own.... I don't even know what exactly it is, but it comes from our material Self that, being ridden with doubts and insecurities and limitations, saps the energy of that Self that transcends the material. (It sounds clunky, I know - that's my material Self writing for you. : ))

"Clunky, material Self", I like that. My experience is that to put words to the "journey" is exhausting, and yet, invigorating at other times, as well. There's that conundrum thing again.

[fractal being]

Thank you for this thread. I sense is more important that it seems.

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

1) prophets of Israel met unpleasant ends as a rule 2) it is wise to just shut up and keep your own company to insure your health 3) What's the sense of even a little enlightenment without the peace to enjoy it?

Isn't that a ticket to insanity? What's the point of of enjoying self peace if you cannot freely share it with your loved ones?

[RunningDeer]

Posted by fractal being (here)
Thank you for this thread. I sense is more important that it seems.

Hello fractal being, thank you. It'll move us all forward beyond 3D. Humans are larger than some know themselves to be, and hold gifts of ability. My wish is that discovery is sooner than later.

Isn't that a ticket to insanity? What's the point of of enjoying self peace if you cannot freely share it with your loved ones?

My greatest challenge is to stop trying to share this all with my loved ones. They're just not ready. My fear is that I'll do more harm by turning them off. I hope the little I've shared triggers the synchronicity. Then information will tap them on the shoulder and the rest is history. Though, some are now speaking with me in private. Tee, life unfolding...

[RunningDeer]

"...just laugh, just love, just share. Please, how can anyone go wrong with that?”

I've updated post #1 a lot by adding a couple more concrete examples in simple step by step visual description. (Though that may be my illusion.) Below are some opening thoughts:

SUMMARY of One Person’s Experience: It’ll unfold when the time is ripe. Nothing to do. Nothing to become. Just Be. That is perfection of the human. All the rest is frivolous cartooning in 3D. Each time I tap into that - I come away with just laugh, just love, just share. Please, how can anyone go wrong with that? There is no one way, but I offer my personal experience in the hope that it will assist others.

The techniques/descriptions here are for those that are almost there in understanding
but just need a little nudge. One tool that helps them find their own tool, i.e. method.
I'm also here to say that it doesn't need to be complicated. That's the trick of mind.
Do yourself a favor, don't listen. It's invested in your 3D experiencing.

P.S. There are many, many great minds that are way beyond what I know. I figured that to get from here to there... the journey begins in a place that speaks to the beginner and the interested. So that is my intent, wish, and most importantly, so grateful for the opportunity to share!

With heart,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Jenci]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)


In those few seconds to few moments left before the complete entry into body/mind, I experienced knowledge or an understanding that: there was no experiencer having an experience. Only a flood or a wave of peace interlaced with silence, stillness, and non-desire. Only the understanding of why the body is here, that nothing matters, and don’t waste time with worry.

Hi WhiteCrow,

Thank you for sharing your experince. These glimpses of our true nature are part of the way. They are experiences which come and go but our true nature does not come and go. It's the unchanging constant.

Most of us couldn't handle a permanent lifting off the veil to our true nature. When this happened to Eckhart Tolle he could barely function for a couple of years.

The majority of us get eased into the realisation of the Oneness through experiences like this, each one a revelation of the Truth and a chance for the ego/mind identity to dissolve just a little bit more.

I found after a while, the experiences would come and go but the realisation of the Oneness stayed permanently and runs parallel alongside the ego/mind identity, which is still witnessed, yet not believed as to being my true nature any more.

My body sat both heavy and light. Not needing, not wanting to move because also this state was leaving. I wanted it to last as long as possible,

If you are up for some enquiry, then you may wish to ask the question - who wanted it to last as long as possible?


Jeanette

[Aurvandil]

Your thread struck my heart so deeply...

I have just experienced all of this in a situation unfolding since several weeks, making me realize that we indeed are spirits, souls from ages ago, trapped in these bodies, like a prison, at least that is what I feel. This situation is still so new and lifechanging for me, too close to talk about, but has lead me to live three lifes, parallell to each other, as my soul travels both during night and daytime - one here in my reality, one with my true love on the other side of the world and one in our past lives, flashing before my eyes constantly. I do not know where I am anymore, still this is perfectly real, making me see that we are immortal beings given physical form now and again to meet, love, comfort, support and help each other and that we indeed are one with everything around us, only seemingly divided into intertwined, unseparable pieces.

This insight leaves me with awe and respect for the lives we have now and the ones we used to have, as well as the reasons why all of us are here now, in this place, on this planet. We all do have a purpose and if we are patient, it will be revealed.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Jenci (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)


In those few seconds to few moments left before the complete entry into body/mind, I experienced knowledge or an understanding that: there was no experiencer having an experience. Only a flood or a wave of peace interlaced with silence, stillness, and non-desire. Only the understanding of why the body is here, that nothing matters, and don’t waste time with worry.

Hi WhiteCrow,

Thank you for sharing your experince. These glimpses of our true nature are part of the way. They are experiences which come and go but our true nature does not come and go. It's the unchanging constant.

Most of us couldn't handle a permanent lifting off the veil to our true nature. When this happened to Eckhart Tolle he could barely function for a couple of years.

The majority of us get eased into the realisation of the Oneness through experiences like this, each one a revelation of the Truth and a chance for the ego/mind identity to dissolve just a little bit more.

I found after a while, the experiences would come and go but the realisation of the Oneness stayed permanently and runs parallel alongside the ego/mind identity, which is still witnessed, yet not believed as to being my true nature any more.

My body sat both heavy and light. Not needing, not wanting to move because also this state was leaving. I wanted it to last as long as possible,

If you are up for some enquiry, then you may wish to ask the question - who wanted it to last as long as possible?

Jeanette

Hello Jeanette,

Oh, this is great! Thank you. The balance is tricky. Sharing the information, yet it’s such an individual experience and a large topic; many levels of discovery. The challenge is to use few words as possible. Don't interfere with their experience. What is too much, what is not enough.. blah, blah, blah... So, your suggestions are helpful.

I included this invaluable resource in the #1 post.

P.S. I've officially lost count on how many times you've assisted me. Always great and encouraging advice! And it's easy to receive because it comes from the right place.