Drake and Teri - a contrary view.

[turiya]

From: http://cgi.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...cgi?read=32991

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
I can't help but keep coming back to the "Orion Model" (at 00:25:30) and doing the dirty job for "them"...

Anything anyone learnt from Egypt or Lybia? Syria now?

Yes, they lead from behind. They make it look like a grass roots uprising but it's supported from behind by a hotpotch of corporate vested interests of NATO countries hardware and Al Quaeda local knowledge and intelligence.

However, if they think they can lead us from behind, I think they've miscalculated and misunderstood the minds of the 'New Agers' because they don't understand what underpins our thinking. Most of us are involved in deep spiritual practices from which we realised, long long ago, that we are sovereign unto ourselves. We don't need a piece of paper from the Hague to tell ourselves that, and we also don't need a change of government to experience it.

If there is to be a real natural revolution from the grass roots upwards (and few, if any, are), I thnk the spiritual teachers amongst us need to be able to continue to teach that re-empowerment of the individual from the inside out, to help people find their own sovereignty. Instead, what Drake and Wilcock are proposing are 24 hour, wall-to-wall DVDs on the mainstream media, replacing the existing wall-to-wall DVDs on the mainstream media. This is so-called 'enlightenment' from the outside-in.... just more brainwashing in other words ... just another narrative to replace the old one which doesn't work anymore.

I count myself as one of those spiritual teachers, as I teach shamanic journeying here, where I live. But I won't be able to practice if there are riots, as we saw here last summer, by those who jump at the chance to take advantage of any perceived chink in the armour of the establishment. These people are not interested in the sovereignty of the individual. They are not interested in inner empowerment or self realisation. They are interested in getting the latest trainers.

Where most riots usually start with a political protest demonstration and end in looting, this one bypassed the political protest and went straight to the looting, and they burned down huge areas of their neighbourhoods in the process. It was mainly the small, local shopkeepers that suffered and many lost their shops altogether. The police lost control .. it was too big for anyone to get a grip on as it spread from city to city like wildfire through the use of mobile phones ... and innocent people were trampled on, and some died.

We are being manipulated to do this revolution for them... and apart from the fact that I don't like being manipulated, if I am to be manipulated, let it be by people who know what they're doing. These guys plainly don't know what they're doing. Trying to herd those who come under the loose umbrella term of "New Age" is like trying to herd cats. We're much more like cats than dogs. Where dogs have masters, cats have staff ~ so they say!.

To conclude, it's my view that an undemocratic change of government (because let's not mince words, that's what is being proposed) will not help people to become more self-empowered from the inside out. It will not help them spiritually. It will not help the evolution of their soul.

There will just be an exchange of one set of DVDs for another set of DVDs, as we get 'moved to another barn'.

That's why I'm against it.

Damn Ishtar, we do agree on something! Your words said it very well, and I thank you for stating some simple truths about what has happened, and what is likely to happen. I also agree and do not like the idea of a new set of dvd's as you say. I read Starhawk's book many years ago that pretty much had this scenario of the country falling apart and a right wing christian group overthrew the government and controlled the country except for a small are that included San Fransisco. I can easily see a group of very extreme right wingers taking over in instituting purity and righteousness laws which trample on the idea of freedom, sovereignty, and independence.

[ViralSpiral]

Posted by Ishtar (here)


We are being manipulated to do this revolution for them...

That.

Gun owners will be forced to draw first blood........
I will not die under the sword however, my weapon will not be pointed at my shadow-side, it will be used to pull people out of the quagmire of confusion.

Thank you for your post Ishtar

[turiya]

RuSA Update of April 19 2012 Part1. Tim Turner Comments on Wilcock/'Drake' Interview.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=X9Ipao9JmiQ

Excerpt of RuSA Update - Recordings can be found at: http://republicsg.info/

[aranuk]

Posted by TURIYA (here)
RuSA Update of April 19 2012. Tim Turner Comments on Wilcock/'Drake' Interview.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=X9Ipao9JmiQ

Excerpt of RuSA Update - Recordings can be found at: http://republicsg.info/

Turiya TT didn't say anything on this video to contradict what Drake has been saying. They seem to me to have the same message. Why split hairs as you continue to do? Are you in favour of this big clean up project or not? As Modwiz has said already, there could possibly be some co-operation between the two groups. You obviously are of a mind that likes to divide and point out all the small details of differences. Where do you stand here?

Stan

[YvonneG]

Turiya, you are suspect not because of what you say but how you say. I even apologized in a former message, but instead you want to continue this putting more and more of the same stuff. Take care.

I am now officially putting you on ignore. I thought if you wanted a real human to human interaction here you would have responded to what I wrote which I really meant.

Be well
Yvonne

[Lost N Found]

Posted by TURIYA (here)

From: http://cgi.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...cgi?read=32991

I have one question Turiya, has the Turner fellow ever given any proof of what he says? Has any of his meanderings ever come true, Has he provided any thing to the States, Counties or People of the Republic. Been my experience that no communication has happen from the National to the States and on down to the people.

Now this Turner person has started himself out on the seminar trail once again, teaching people of some illusionary way to claim your land back and to top that off, he is charging big big bucks to learn his way of doing this. Oh wait, there is no guarentee that this really works but you or I, if we are part of his Republic, have to pay alot of FRNs to get the process. This all reeks of the same paradigm that is in play today.

I would suggest that you look outside the box, just as we all should be doing wether it be Drake, teri or Turner. I have seen to many fall into the koolaid of one that is preaching the only way and using God to do it. So please stop trying to be part of the brainwashing of one person that professes to be from God. You may have trust and you may have faith but that comes from the heart and not the head.

[DreamsInDigital]

One huge issue I have with T-Turner, he has been having secret meetings with the very people we are trying to defeat, the Rothchilds or was it Rockefellers. So, what's to say he isn't working with them? Last I checked, during a war..you don't have secret meetings with your enemies. Infact, you don't meet with them at all. Plus he supports UN Agenda 21, which we all know the UN is behind just about every single problem that is going on right now that isn't tied into the Money or Religion Arms of the Octopus, the UN were the ones that built the 200 or so Concentration Camps everyone goes around screaming about to murder us in. So...It really from the evidence I've seen, seems pretty obvious T-Turner is an Cabal Stooge. Just connecting the dots.

[Lost N Found]

Ok as long as we are talking about Tim Turner, and this does have something to do with Drake and Teri Hinkle. here is a site where you can here folks talk about the wrong directions that the Republic for the United States is going. This may allow some more info for all to get a bigger picture.

republicfornevada.net/republicfornevada_blog/

This may give you all some more info of just what is happening within the organization called Republic for the United States and some of stuff that has caused folks to look at it a little different. I for one have stepped out of the box and hope others are at least looking and learning. My take on Drake and Teri has been one of researching, as Drake has stated, and finding my own way into this ascention of our consciousness. We all are going to have to find this by ourselves even if there is so much info out there to awaken us.

These comments are certainly interesting and awakening and I am glad all over that there are so many topics and so many folks that talk. Even Turiya has something to say although I hope for her or his sake that he/she does come to see that there is possible something wrong with one person saying that God sent them to lead us all into another defacto realm of government. If you want to trade one set of politics for another (SAME) then keep on believing. It really does not work.

I for one really want and with a heavy heart, would like to see this mess change for the better of human kind. We shall see what happens with what Drake is saying and as for Teri, she is just trying to help in that respect I believe. Keep your eyes wide open folks, you can see what is really happening, all of the rest of it is nothing more than illussion.



Love transcends all

[turiya]

Posted by aranuk (here)

Posted by TURIYA (here)
RuSA Update of April 19 2012. Tim Turner Comments on Wilcock/'Drake' Interview.

Excerpt of RuSA Update - Recordings can be found at: http://republicsg.info/

Turiya TT didn't say anything on this video to contradict what Drake has been saying. They seem to me to have the same message. Why split hairs as you continue to do? Are you in favour of this big clean up project or not? As Modwiz has said already, there could possibly be some co-operation between the two groups. You obviously are of a mind that likes to divide and point out all the small details of differences. Where do you stand here?

Stan

This is the very reason for my posting this RuSA video update of April 19 2012. Tim Turner has said that he finally has heard the entire 3 hour Wilcock interview with Drake, and has heard the same information that Drake has come forward with in that video.
Hence, Drake and TT are on somewhat on the same page.

In other words, there is no reason for Drake & TT to not form a coalition. The fence that is dividing them, was a fence that was solely created by Teri Hinkle. There is no reason why Americans that support restoring the Republic for America cannot work together. The only reason why they are divided at all is because of Teri Hinkle.

If "Drake" is indeed being authentic, the only thing that needs to be done is for Drake to re-examine his relationship with Teri Hinkle.

Teri Hinkle's motive, as I have said all along here, is to create division amongst the patriots that want to restore a Republic form of government.

It can be reasoned that Teri Hinkle, in a way, is actually working for the de facto USG - to help prolong this control mechanism from falling on its face. If she was indeed working for a company that was into creating wall street related internet ponzi schemes, then that is a contradictory role, a role that is opposite to the role that she is playing on Freedomizer radio.

She just may be a very good scam artist. She was also know as (a.k.a.) Gemqueen with those within GMS. it was her username on several of the affiliated forums.

If there is an ongoing FBI investigation concerning fraud perpetrated by Global Marketing Solutions (GMS), and if there is evidence to show she was a player, then it may be likely she may have been corralled by one of the de facto agencies to go after, and to try to bring down RuSA/Tim Turner. On a previously posted message, I pointed out the fact (graphic) that this was the latest effort of the ADL/SPLC - to go after those that make up the Sovereignty Movement. Both these groups have been influencing FBI policy & law enforcement training programs for quite some time, now.

If Drake is authentic in what he is saying, then it should not be a problem for him to find out more about what the FBI has in their files regarding Teri Hinkle. All it would take would be for him to request that information. Its up to Drake whether he wants to go there from here.

Here is the Rusa/Tim Turner Update of April 19 2012 Part2

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Yn_rGNkR61I

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[aranuk]

I see now where you are coming from. Now instead of belabouring your point here, why do you not email Drake and ask him to do what you said about Teri. Surely with Drake's contacts in the military, they would have checked her out. I mean to say, do you honestly think that all these high ranking military personel would risk the Liberation of the American people and not make sure there weren't any spies close to Drake? CIA people Drake knows? C'mon? It is unthinkable that these military and CIA white hats are that stupid. I don't think it for a minute.

Stan

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I wonder if Drake reads this forum at all?

Stan

[Lost N Found]

Ok, so we know that you really have a hate for Teri Hinkle. You have stated in other comments that her voice turns your stomach. Now I will tell you that you are not the only one that has this hate. I have talked with other follower's of Tim Turner and they have the same hate just because of her voice. These folks seem to be drinking the same koolaid you are from the Turner group. They do not know anything about this person but what they are told from higher up. This appears to be nothing more than what the existing MSM and Political parties do to whomever they HATE, because someone does not go along with their ideology. Believe me, I have first hand knowledge of this HATE. The Fear is rampant in this organization and is all you get from the members. I take it you are a member of the RuSA group and have been conditioned to believe in the HATE and FEAR. I am sorry for you. Now the one thing that has turned me away is the fact that these people all say that America was created as a Christ based Nation and of course they all believe that if they prey and conduct their business in Christ's name that everything will be alright. Didn't the same thing happen with the revernd Jim and all had to drink the koolaid?

You continue to post stuff about RUSA and Tim Turner, Your God,but you do not show other opinions or what is really happening. I know that Turner was not part of the original RAP movement and when brought in, proceeded to steel the ideas from the original folks then, just like the defacto, slowly corrupted the entire Idea. Now it is being said that Turner may join or has the same ideas as Drake. Well If he corrupted the first movement, I would say to Drake, Be very careful with this fellow because he is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Just a little background, Turners stuff has never worked and now folks are saying that they have to change his documents because none of did a damn thing for them. You might want to investigate that. Oh yeh, These are "living documents" by the way and can change when ever any one wants them to. Does this make any common sense to you? Here is something else you may want to research, all of these roads you continue to walk or run down lead you to court and someone else has stated, ?everything is commercial? Do you honestly think that by playing the games that Turner has will get you remedy? I believe that as long as you continue to play the defacto game you are never going to get anywhere because it is their rules and game and you will never win anything.

Question, How many states have been rolled over by Turner? How many folks have had unconstitutional games played on them by the Turner Groupe? Do you follow any of this or are you so full of HATE for Teri Hinkle that you can/t see? How much of you FRN/s are you continuing to donate to Turner, have you ever thought about that? Where are the documents that were supposadly signed in UTAH, Where are the documents that supposadly went to HAGUE that Turner said were going? Why did Turner get on his little conference calls and accuse folks of being seditious and Treasonous and who the hell is he to state those comments? Who voted him into to be the President of another defacto under the scenes government? These are just some questions to ask yourself so maybe you will stop Hating and do some real research about what is going on around you.

That being all said, I trully hope you will do some honest research and post on this site more sides than just one that you have been duped into believing. Please do, I would dearly love to see your research and some truth.



Love transcends all

[turiya]

Posted by aranuk (here)
I see now where you are coming from. Now instead of belabouring your point here, why do you not email Drake and ask him to do what you said about Teri. Surely with Drake's contacts in the military, they would have checked her out. I mean to say, do you honestly think that all these high ranking military personel would risk the Liberation of the American people and not make sure there weren't any spies close to Drake? CIA people Drake knows? C'mon? It is unthinkable that these military and CIA white hats are that stupid. I don't think it for a minute.

Stan

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I wonder if Drake reads this forum at all?

Stan

Yes, aranuk, I think that many of the de facto USG agencies are so fragmented, so compartmentalized, are so into their own agendas that often times they are not aware of what all the other appendages are doing. The head of the beast is too over-bloated. The tentacles are too many. Information sharing has not been high on any particular agency's list of things to prioritize. It has been said many times - sharing of info amongst the various agencies is on a 'need to know' basis only. If there is no one to ask from a 'need to know' basis, then information is going to be dropping out of the woodwork.

We got the de facto USG. Entities such as SPLC & ADL are part of this de facto corporate government. And now we are becoming more aware that there are those that have positions within the de facto that can be called white hats. Do you really think that they are going to work together? Do you think they are willing to even expose themselves as to what side they are on to whomever? The de facto is so much into secrecy that you got to personally know an insider buddy that will work a favor for you. Ha! If anything, there is going to be a civil war on many different levels of government when this really gets rolling.

Yes, "The level of incompetence is extraordinary."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wkUXdAkTC0g

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[ThePythonicCow]

Could we back off a bit from the maligning of some subset or other of Wilcock, Drake, Teri and/or Tim Turner?

Such incessant and energized attacks on one or more of these is dragging down this forum, and fueling antagonism between members.

I really doubt it is helping any of us become more understanding of the 3D world, or more aware of higher levels. Quite the contrary, actually.

[turiya]

BEWARE THE CLAIMS OF “DRAKE” AND FULFORD


From: http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/

From the description of the video below:
Many are not going to want to accept this but based on what we are not seeing (but which was promised) and Joel Skousen's remarks it would appear the "Insider" Drake is a fraud.

Drake is now saying the "mass" arrests will take place one by one (in other words they are no longer "mass"). In this clip (and the link below) Drake talks about people in the "movement" being killed including children of those involved in breaking the cabal stranglehold (hear it for yourself in the clip). But some how Drake as the "spokesperson" can remain anonymous / incognito to the cabal? He can do radio interviews and updates on "secret" stuff that hasn't materialized (much like Fulford) while, by his own admission (this clip), others in the "movement" have had their children murdered? It makes absolutely no sense. Listen here - this clip is dated 4/15/2012 (In5d's channel): https://youtube.com/watch?v=EI5Qf...re=uploademail

And to top it off author Joel Skousen (Strategic Relocation), a person knee deep and very knowledgeable in the truth and freedom movement was interviewed on Alex Jones' Nightly News show on 4/19/2012 and comments on Drake (unsolicited). It's a brief mention by Skousen but not so quick that the listener does not clearly understand what Joel is saying; which is - Drake's cavalry premise is completely bogus. Interestingly enough I listened to the Skousen clip **after** listening to the 4/15 Drake clip where he talks about **unconfirmed** information needing to be confirmed - yet he still talks about it - a classic disinformation tactic (knowing people will run with it). He should not be speaking to the public until all of his information is vetted and confirmed otherwise it's just story telling.

Skousan's comment about Drake is a little after the 9 minute marker. I left the first chunk of the interview in so you can get Skousen's comment within the context of the overall discussion- so listen from the beginning. After the Skousen interview I included the 4/15 Drake clip (same as the link above).

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5RAIh02uRas

I know this is **not** what everyone wants to hear but the Drake/Fulford stuff is getting stranger and less credible with each passing day because nothing they say materializes. Nothing at least to the magnitude of what they are proclaiming will happen (or should have happened already - especially Fulford who has been around a lot longer). For example, Fulford told everyone the cabal had until 3/31 and then it was over... nothing happened. He claimed Bill Gates was "arrested"... Bill Gates is still doing what he always does - de-population (eugenic) work in full public view. Drake promised big stuff the week of 4/16... nothing. Now he's back tracking and saying the mass arrests will be one by one.

It's time to put these guys behind us and focus on making the change by continuing to raise awareness and through grass roots activism. There is no magical cavalry coming. I hope I'm proven wrong but it is appearing very possible that Drake (and Fulford) are nothing more than disinformation artists and distractions.

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[Chester]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Instead, what Drake and Wilcock are proposing are 24 hour, wall-to-wall DVDs on the mainstream media, replacing the existing wall-to-wall DVDs on the mainstream media. This is so-called 'enlightenment' from the outside-in.... just more brainwashing in other words ... just another narrative to replace the old one which doesn't work anymore.

I am not so sure I agree. Through the media we have been given a "movie" we believe is real but has been lies. This has happened hand in hand with and been psychologically supported by our education system. When I figured that out, I searched far and wide for several years getting up to speed. If we are told the truth (at least a far more accurate version of the truth) via a series of televised productions when the Plan goes down, that would save a massive amount of time for a massive amount of people who via knee jerk will be glued to the TV.

An individual's spiritual awakening will be greatly accelerated which will allow the lifted individual a far better chance of discerning for themselves what has been happening, what just happened now (when the Plan happens) and then, therefore what may be in store and what positive roll can they play in the new paradigm.

I am solid in my spirituality today and a big reason why is because I have awakened from ALL areas into which the movie put me asleep, but it took me several years to get the multi levels of truth.

I am all for a crash course that gets an individual from A to X... then they can figure out the Y and the Z for themselves and feel confident they are on the right track. Truth resonates within. Its much easier to get most folks on board when truth is the foundation of their catalytic information.

Posted by Ishtar (here)
I count myself as one of those spiritual teachers, as I teach shamanic journeying here, where I live. But I won't be able to practice if there are riots, as we saw here last summer, by those who jump at the chance to take advantage of any perceived chink in the armour of the establishment. These people are not interested in the sovereignty of the individual. They are not interested in inner empowerment or self realisation. They are interested in getting the latest trainers.

After they get a clue as to our true history - they are going to want some help, including and maybe PRIMARILY spiritual help. Be there for them, Ishtar

[Unified Serenity]

Thanks for the Skousen information which I have been raising similar concerns as dates change and such. Maybe they are just well meaning patriots for humanity or maybe the are counter intelligence because once they are fully confirmed as lunatics by the massive amounts of false stories and reports of imminent rescue by this group or that group and god forbid Aliens coming to help us, then anything that they say even if it is true will be blown aside as more lunacy, and anyone who is linked to them will be useless in getting truth out to the unwashed masses of sleeping people trying to wake up.

Some say what is the harm of being positive and pushing this information. The harm is when you really have something to share no one will listen to you. Have you ever heard the story about the boy who cried wolf? Well, this is co-intel favorite method of screwing the people from getting truth.

[Ishtar]

Posted by justoneman (here)
After they get a clue as to our true history - they are going to want some help, including and maybe PRIMARILY spiritual help. Be there for them, Ishtar

I am always there to help people become self-empowered .... but I do it by introducing them to their own set of 'inner DVDs', so that they can become empowered by their own individual story and not one blanket homogenous one that is put out to control people by whoever happens to be in power at the time.

You say 'after they get a clue to our true history' but whose true history is that going be? David Wilcock's? Zechariah Stitchin's? David Icke's? L Ron Hubbard's? I mention all these names because their 'true history' would be about 'gods on rockets' who came from other parts of our universe to create a slave race of man, in their own image. Is this the 'true history' we want people to be told... that they are slaves made in the image of Enki and Enlil? It's hardly empowering.

Now they say that the 'gods on rockets' are coming again... but this time they're the good guys! Puhleeeese!

David Wilcox, the other day, used an alarmist tactic by saying that the Illuminati was going to "make everyone worship Lucifer". I don’t know if these guys worship Lucifer or not, but for our purposes here, it doesn’t matter: Because just because that cabal of selfish evil people worships Lucifer, it does not make Lucifer evil any more than that cabal of selfish evil people in the Vatican worshipping Jesus makes Jesus evil. (I've written an article about Lucifer here.)

I think that if the likes of the Illuminati are really in touch with the Divine Lightbringer (doubtful!), the communion with such purity and humility will only do them good. But David Wilcock has the typical Ascensionists quasi-Christian view that "Up is Good" and "Light is Better Than Dark" and "Down is Bad" and "Anything With Horns is the Devil". So is this where we're being led, back to the Dark Ages of intolerance for those who practice pre-Christian mystical systems?

Once you're introduced to your own 'inner set of DVDs', (by which I mean, meet with your own spirit guides that exist in other dimensions that are found by going within yourself) you no longer have any need for anyone to tell you who you are and where you've come from, or to join a club of people who all believe they've come from the same place and are going to the same destination, which is what religions are.

In a religion, you are told what to believe by the one person at the the top who claims to have a direct line to God or the gods (spirits). But you can talk to the gods (spirits) yourself. You don't need a middle man. And once you can talk to the gods (spirits) yourself, you become totally self-empowered.

I've been teaching people how to journey within to meet their spirit guides for many years, and one thing I've noticed is that when they ask the really important questions of their spirits like ...

Who am I?
Where have I come from?
Why am I here on Earth?

...they are all shown a completely different backstory. I have never had two people with the same backstory. They all have different types of ancestral spirits who come from a different places .... but NOT different places in this dimension, galaxy or universe. The spirits are not extra terrestrial but inter dimensional... and so are we, and that's the point. If we want our true back story, it won't come from 'gods on rockets' from the Pleiades or Sirius, which are in this dimension. We need to get beyond this dimension, because we are in essence multi-dimensional spirits having a human experience within infinite Space.

Shamanic work is self-empowering because it's transformative. Going into another dimension is a self-transformative experience. Going off-planet or being a contactee isn't necessarily a self-transformative experience in the same way because you're still in this dimension. So you may have had gone to Mars through a jump room, and it may have been an interesting experience. But when you come back, you've still got all the same hangs-ups and baseless worries and fears as you did when you left. You can go to the furthest ends of this universe but you'd still be in this dimension wondering who you are and where you'll go when you 'die'.

We find that going back into history, hundreds of thousands of years ago, our earliest ancestors were in touch with these interdimensional spirits, who gave them the same guidance that the shaman receives today. Christianity stamped out that practice by telling us that the spirits were evil. The horns by the way, that you see on statues of horned spirits (known as 'the gods') were considered in ancient times to be a sign of wisdom ~ not the Satanic.

This is Michelangelo's statue of Moses



So I've just read this back and I guess it does seem a bit like the ravings of a bag lady shouting at the traffic, and I hope you can make some sense of it. :

The bottom line is self-empowerment by working with one's own spirits rather than being disempowered by having to take on a group homogenous backstory prepared for us on DVDs by the powers-that-be...whoever that new ptb turns out to be.

I think that force-feeding everyone with Wilcock's backstory will create religious intolerance which will eventually leads to more bloodshed, and we'll be back where we started.

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Damn Ishtar, we do agree on something!

Gosh!! How did that happen!!

[turiya]

jsnip4 of REALIST NEWS Agrees. He calls it Hope-ium, for those that need a fix of "Feel Good News".
P.S. (to the above post)

From April 2 2012:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oqwOX2Kp_N0

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Thanks for the Skousen information which I have been raising similar concerns as dates change and such. Maybe they are just well meaning patriots for humanity or maybe the are counter intelligence because once they are fully confirmed as lunatics by the massive amounts of false stories and reports of imminent rescue by this group or that group and god forbid Aliens coming to help us, then anything that they say even if it is true will be blown aside as more lunacy, and anyone who is linked to them will be useless in getting truth out to the unwashed masses of sleeping people trying to wake up.

Some say what is the harm of being positive and pushing this information. The harm is when you really have something to share no one will listen to you. Have you ever heard the story about the boy who cried wolf? Well, this is co-intel favorite method of screwing the people from getting truth.

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[YvonneG]

Comments by people will not point to the reality. I was involved in RUSA from the beginning. I heard lies for almost 2 years...
No one voted for Tim and even worst NO ONE VOTED FOR VICE PRESIDENT WRIGHT, WHO WAS APPOINTED BY TIM.

There are actually records of actual calls and actual things that happened. Not Tim's comments, Turiya'comments etc. Kind of stuff which actually happened. You can go to freedomreigns.us and teri's blog has the documentation. Forget TEri...this ain't about Teri. Forget hearsay, this ain't about hearsay. I didn't want to leave this thread, since I was one of the main players, without trying to point people to FACTS.

Here is what someone posted on one of the militia sites regarding Tim. I assure you these folks have done their due-dilegence beyond anything I could do. So I use this man's words to end my last post here. And in terms of control, you all have no idea. I lived it here in Fl. People that I voted for here in Florida were removed because they were asking too many questions. Tell me something, how would you like it if the representative you voted in to your state was removed because they disagreed with the Pres? THESE ARE FACTS MY FRIENDS. I KNOW THEM FIRST HAND.

Tim et al are Christian Extremists. Should you all want to continue a real "investigation" then check out the documentation which inlcudes audios of many things, including a meeting of the Republic Security council trying to figure out how they would accept or reject people as citizens...what to do with Buddhists, Moslems, Atheist any non-Christian at all and there flavor of Christianity. I have a good Christian friend who freaked out when he was on several of the calls. Wasn't sure if he was in Church or what.

Anyway here is the respond by this minuteman to a women pitching TT like Turiya is.

President Tim Turner????? I dont ever recall Mr Turner being voted on by the people!! If that isnt enough to have something against this egotisticle maniac that appoints himself as a president then you Geraldine are the kook!! If Mr. Turner thinks for one second i will honor him in any way,,,,, he clearly has lost his mind and will have created a great enemy out of me!!

MR Turner is nothing more than an idiot that will be a worse tyrannt than we already have!! He has one thing on his mind,,, being a WAR LORD and that is it!! We do not support Mr Turner here in this site and if that offends you then please feel free to leave this site!! If we see you advertize this Turner idiot in this site we will delete it and then deal with you!! Your in my house here,,not Mr Turners!! Please feel free to send Mr. Turner my regaurds

And I have personally expeirenced the lies from week to week. Why did not pay attention? Because I had a friend in Fl and I "trusted" him. So I drank the kool-aid. They have people sign documents with finger prints where we swear to honor the constitution...yep and the bible!

For me, I wish I had posted this to start, but I was too reactive, and I have admitted this.

I won't engage in a conversation about this with anyone any more. The facts are on TEri's blog. THe facts are in what have shared. If this is not enough for people who keep interacting here, then that is fine. It is your choice and it is my choice to not interact here anymore.

I have spoken to many around the country as well in my state. I assure you I could write volumes about this, but then I am truly not trying to convince any one of anything. I didn't want to come back on this thread, but I couldn't stop thinking about this, that I had to at least make this one post.

Best to everyone,
Yvonne