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    Default Re: Who is DRAKE: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon

    Quote Posted by Ishtar (here)
    Justoneman,

    I have no objection to Drake being a Dragon, whatever that turns out to mean, (and I haven't ruled out Dungeons and Dragons either.)

    I have an objection to him lying.

    The first and most basic requirement of someone walking a spiritual path is authenticity and telling the truth at all times.

    I explained about the importance of truth to the spiritual path elsewhere, but perhaps you didn't see it, so I'll repeat it again here. (And interestingly, I wrote this the day before it came out that he had lied about being a dragon ~ I was making the case for the importance of doing our due diligence on Drake and what he claims.)

    My experience is that the universe resonates with truth, and so nothing good can ever come from a lie.

    Sometimes people believe that the end justifies the means. But in my view, the very fabric and nature of the end is constructed by the means. The means actually create the end, in other words. The means have an impact on how the outcome looks and feels and they also implant a seed into the outcome which contains the means of its eventual destruction. We are co-creators of our own destiny and need, therefore, to act in truth and under truth at all times.

    The ancient Vedics put it this way: Sat Chit Ananda. Sat (Truth) is the Chit (Consciousness) of Ananda (Bliss or Goodness). The ancient Greeks put it slightly differently ~ their three pillars upon which the universe was constructed were named Truth, Goodness and Beauty. Without these three pillars standing firm, the centre cannot hold because they are all aspects of each other ~ in other words Truth=Beauty and Beauty=Truth and Goodness=Truth and so on.

    In recent years, coming across "The Truth Movement", I have found so much lying and subterfuge and sleight of hand puppetry and pink smoke that I have begun to suspect anything that has the word Truth in the title. Truth has become the new Lies, in so many cases.

    So until I'm sure I'm not being lied to, I will remain sceptical of Drake and this whole movement.
    Hi Ishtar - I have not heard anything from Drake's broadcasts where he states his is STILL a participatory member of any Dragon societies (nor any other similar societies) - so technically he has not yet crossed the line of what you are labeling as a lie.

    But having said that, I fully grant you, based on Vivek's research, the chances that if he had been a "card carrying" member of any such societies, he may still be today.

    If this is the case, you can call him a St Peter to use an allegory. Perhaps he simply wants to avoid having to go through the exercise I have gone through in explaining the little I know about about the varying paths of Dragons, understanding how misunderstood that whole subject can be - especially the bloodline component - in fact that is the core issue which could be a whole thread upon its own.

    What clearly gets to me is the tone. Have you never done what Drake perhaps may be doing? If you have, have those who know you called you out as a "liar" and essentially cast you out of their lives as you can never more be of any value in service to others? Likely not, they overlooked the matter as they saw the whole of the person you are which from all I have seen, I personally feel is quite awesome and wished I knew you in the flesh.

    Anyway - and I am an oddsmaker by trade - so I will put up the following odds based on the information we have from everyone here on this thread.

    Has Drake ever been affiliated with any Dragon (or other) societies?
    Yes 99%
    No 1%

    Is it likely that Drake is still (today) an official member of a Dragon (or other) "secret" society based on what he said, specifically the broadcast from Sunday, April 22nd?
    Yes 75%
    No 25%

    If the answer is Yes to the above, is that membership with a malevolent Dragon (or other) society?
    Yes 1%
    No 99%


    Is it possible he misrepresented himself in this same broadcast to the level he can be labeled a "technically" a liar?
    Yes 75%
    No 25%

    But honestly, I am reluctant to place odds on that because what one person could call a lie, another would see the truth was expressed in his first answer - one has to be able to read a bit between the words to get that answer.

    His second response of No was targeted to the "literals" and likely, technically, is false.

    Let me ask this - when the inquisition was in full swing - if you were a Cathar (which was basically a Gnostic of their day) and you and your loved ones were rounded up and you were asked if you were a Cathar, how would you respond? If you did say, "Yes," how would you (if you would) judge any of your loved ones if they said, "No?"

    If you examine the tone of over and over calling him a "liar" does that not suggest remnants of the inquisition?

    Let me put one more set of odds up.

    Are we, humanity, at the place in evolution of our spirit (collectively) worthy of becoming free physical beings? (worthy of avoiding total and final enslavement which is the intended end game of at least some of the elite)?
    Yes
    No

    I will leave my opinion out of this one.
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    Justoneman

    You have so many questions of me, and each time I answer one, it creates even more questions in your mind. You are never satisfied, and this is taking up a lot of my time ~ time that I don't really have.

    I have laid out the spiritual teaching on the importance of truth telling in terms of accessing spiritual power. I have laid out why I think that Drake is a liar on this one issue.

    I'm not about telling people what to think. I am about telling people why I think the way I do. There is a difference.

    There are many people in this thread that I would disagree with on certain details. But I don't hammer away at them in some of kind of interrogation to try to get them change their minds so that they agree with me. That's mainly because I know they are honest in the conclusions they've drawn according to their world view. My world view is different and I've explained why, to anyone who's interested. After that, people are free to make up their own minds.

    So let me ask you a couple of questions, instead.

    Why is what I think so important to you?

    And why is it so important to you to try to change what I think?

    And finally, why are you not comfortable enough in your own truth to just let others be... and let life take its course?


    If this Drake military coup is going to happen, the wheels will already be in motion, and nothing that gets said here will make any difference to that, especially from someone with as little influence as myself.
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    this is kind of funny -- your planet is going down in flames & you write a nice leisurely post about someone's membership or not in some card-carrying group -- it reminds me of the 'Source A' psy-op on Open Minds [so it seemed to me, a psy-op] when at the end they were arguing about someone's name tag -- & taking it seriously as being a part of getting 'Disclosure' to happen [!?!] & i think it was the wearer of the nametag [a lot of murkiness around the edges of 'Source A' as w/Drake ] who was photographed wearing leather -- & not much of it -- on a chain & leash -- so they got a little porn in there too

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    Hi Ishtar - I have not heard anything from Drake's broadcasts where he states his is STILL a participatory member of any Dragon societies (nor any other similar societies) - so technically he has not yet crossed the line of what you are labeling as a lie.

    But having said that, I fully grant you, based on Vivek's research, the chances that if he had been a "card carrying" member of any such societies, he may still be today.

    If this is the case, you can call him a St Peter to use an allegory. Perhaps he simply wants to avoid having to go through the exercise I have gone through in explaining the little I know about about the varying paths of Dragons, understanding how misunderstood that whole subject can be - especially the bloodline component - in fact that is the core issue which could be a whole thread upon its own.

    What clearly gets to me is the tone. Have you never done what Drake perhaps may be doing? If you have, have those who know you called you out as a "liar" and essentially cast you out of their lives as you can never more be of any value in service to others? Likely not, they overlooked the matter as the saw the whole of the person you are which from all I have seen, I personally feel is quite awesome and wished I knew you in the flesh.

    Anyway - and I am an oddsmaker by trade - so I will put up the following odds based on the information we have from everyone here on this thread.

    Has Drake ever been affiliated with any Dragon (or other) societies?
    Yes 99%
    No 1%

    Is it likely that Drake is still (today) an official member of a Dragon (or other) "secret" society based on what he said, specifically the broadcast from Sunday, April 22nd?
    Yes 75%
    No 25%

    If the answer is Yes to the above, is that membership with a malevolent Dragon (or other) society?
    Yes 1%
    No 99%


    Is it possible he misrepresented himself in this same broadcast to the level he can be labeled a "technically" a liar?
    Yes 75%
    No 25%

    But honestly, I am reluctant to place odds on that because what one person could call a lie, another would see the truth was expressed in his first answer - one has to be able to read a bit between the words to get that answer.
    His second response of No was targeted to the "literals" and likely, technically, is false.

    Let me ask this - when the inquisition was in full swing - if you were a Cathar (which was basically a Gnostic of their day) and you and your loved ones were rounded up and you were asked if you were a Cathar, how would you respond? If you did say, "Yes," how would you (if you would) judge any of your loved ones if they said, "No?"

    If you examine the tone of over and over calling him a "liar" does that not suggest remnants of the inquisition?

    Let me put one more set of odds up.

    Are we, humanity, at the place in evolution of our spirit (collectively) worthy of becoming free physical beings? (worthy of avoiding total and final enslavement which is the intended end game of at least some of the elite)?
    Yes
    No

    I will leave my opinion out of this one.

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    Thannks Ishtar for sharing information about the HAra Line. I wanted to ask you to start a new thread to share what we can practically do, and then realised that the answer (not the practice) is so simple that I almost missed it:
    Quote How to keep the Hara Line straight is to say what you think, and to do what you say.
    It resonates with the Four Agreementts, and is worth printing and putting it up on a wall beside my bed so I can remind myself of that intent every day.
    The Four Agreements - Be impeccable with your word (Don Miguel states this is 75% of the whole ballgame), don't make assumptions, don't take things personally and always do your best - don't need it on my wall to know them

    Don Miguel happens to be a Nigal Master - which is a Dragon lineage - The word Nigal means dragon - That's where the Toltec teachings come from, they had been handed down by the Dragon masters within their lineage. Fortunately for them, they did not get wiped out by the Spanish and were able to preserve the teachings of their Dragon lineage. This is fact, check it out for yourself.

    Does this change the value of the Four Agreements? Does this now make Don Miguel a bad guy? Should we now send the inquisition after him?

    I suggest you consider the possibility that there could be other Dragon lineages that are not imposters. Grouping all Dragons into this Hara line demonstrates a lack of sufficient historical knowledge. I suggest further research.
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    Default Re: Who is DRAKE: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon

    A master once told me - Truth is what is true for you at the moment you decide its true and there's one really true thing about truth, it usually, almost always changes.

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    i should think one would want one's impeccability w/word to be 100% -- ?

    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
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    The Four Agreements - Be impeccable with your word is 75%, don't make assumptions, don't take things personally and always do your best - don't need it on my wall to know them

    Don Miguel happens to be a Nigal Master - which is a Dragon lineage - The word Nigal means dragon - That's where the Toltec teachings come from, they had been handed down by the Dragon masters within their lineage. Fortunately for them, they did not get wiped out by the Spanish and were able to preserve the teachings of their Dragon lineage. This is fact, check it out for yourself.

    Does this change the value of the Four Agreements? Does this now make Don Miguel a bad guy? Should we now send the inquisition after him?

    I suggest you consider the possibility that there could be other Dragon lineages that are not imposters. Grouping all Dragons into this Hara line demonstrates a lack of sufficient historical knowledge. I suggest further research.
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    Default Re: Who is DRAKE: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon

    A color blind person was asked by a friend what color was a car that drove by - the car happened to be red - the answer given by the color blind person was grey. Did he lie?

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    Don Miguel said that being impeccable with your word was 75% of the whole ballgame - I will edit my post to clarify what I meant - thanks for pointing out how it can be misunderstood
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    I have no interest in what groups Drake belongs to or has belonged to. Is what he says credible, verifiable, reasonable, true? No. I have checked, and what he says is a load of hogwash, which keeps changing but just to another version of hogwash. I cannot pronounce judgement on Drake the person as I do not know him at all (and even if I did), but I am not going to go along with and believe what he says when it is not verifiable, credible, reasonable and true.
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    Justoneman,

    (I see you've edited your post now... I had already written this).

    No-one is being criticised for being in a Dragon order.

    No-one is accusing Drake of being an imposter.

    Of course the Toltec practises would be in line with all the other Dragon groups which stem from the spiritual practises of the Serpent Cults, which were widespread across the civilised world in pre Christian times, which in themselves stem from the observations of natural laws which were discovered by the shamans of old. Everyone was teaching more or less the same thing, at the core.

    When I'm talking about the Hara Line, I'm talking about that natural law. It doesn't matter whether one uses a Far Eastern label for it. It exists above and beyond the label.

    Whatever Dragon Order anyone is in, they are still subject to natural laws.
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    Quote Posted by sdv (here)
    Kabbalah (kəˈbɑːlə): I do study the Kabbalah (still a beginner student!), so if anyone wants to start a thread for discussion ...

    I understand it on a few levels (especially as I am also a student of the crowley tarot) but have also found very practical applications for this wisdom.
    The Kabbalah happens to have been handed down by dragons - it is now apparent that few here are willing to consider, much less accept, that there are dragon's (imposters) which are service to self and Dragon masters that are in full service to others.

    Sad to me this likelihood - apparently the inquisition is still alive and well - no wonder so many dragon lineages have remained under the surface - I was hoping these times it could resurface but as we all know - I Hope a lot.

    Edit (I did not see Ishatr's post just above) - It now appears clear to me that Ishar recognizes there could be Dragon lineages that honor "natural law" and perhaps posses other noble attributes and have honorable intentions - up until now I was perceiving most posts that intimated associations with ANY Dragon society as automatically making someone to be a bad guy. Thank You, Ishtar for clearly making this distinction.
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    Quote Posted by wynderer (here)
    Quote Posted by sdv (here)
    Kabbalah (kəˈbɑːlə): I do study the Kabbalah (still a beginner student!), so if anyone wants to start a thread for discussion ...

    I understand it on a few levels (especially as I am also a student of the crowley tarot) but have also found very practical applications for this wisdom.
    you're dippin your toe in the darkside waters w/crowley -- be careful -- the current is swift & the waters are deep & dark
    Agree - but I say that due to my own experience - each of us must decide for themselves if that is true for them - check out Kerry Cassidy's interview with Leo Zagami - you will learn that a segment of the PTB/Ws are obsessed with Crowley - His Book of the Law and the coming Age of Horus - these are imposters, not Dragon masters

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    Quote Posted by sdv (here)
    Quote you're dippin your toe in the darkside waters w/crowley -- be careful -- the current is swift & the waters are deep & dark
    Thanks for concern. I am aware of the dark work he (Crowley) did and always protect myself. It is not the magick that is bad but the intent of the person using it. Crowley wanted to (and did) call up entities (bit fuzzy here about if I am using the correct terminology) to empower himself. I don't even try to call on entities or seek control in any way. I am also very careful in that I am always conscious that ultimately I can accept the knowledge transmitted to me by the Tarot or I can dismiss it. For me, the Tarot, like the Kabbalah, is a book of knowledge through which I can understand myself and my life, at a mundame level and in terms of my destiny (which I see as seeds sown and seeds sprouted).
    I would suggest to you that any magick that is not solely directed upon the practitioner is imposition of will upon another. And worse than overt force as the target does not know they are the object of a magical act. Who among us is to determine if intentions are good or not for anyone outside of ourselves?

    I must exclude if two or more are involved in a magical act that is directed to themselves or one in their group where all participants are in agreement of the act, but why not just become the change you are seeking from the magic?
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    Ishtar, you have never answered my single question...

    Do you believe it possible that a person could have been a member of a Dragon (or any other) society and have officially left that society? Yes or No?

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    For Ishtar

    Why is what I think so important to you?


    Because I see seemingly rational explanations as simply avoidance. It is this avoidance that has our world stuck such that the organized imposters (the cabal) can complete their plan for the enslavement of humanity and I have children who will inherit this earth and the life (or not) we leave them.

    And why is it so important to you to try to change what I think?


    I am not trying to change what you think - I hope to expand it - Specifically regarding the "Drake is a liar" issue, I am hoping to get you and others to see none of us are perfect thus not to require perfection from the folks who may be trying their best to help in a real, hands on, proactive way.

    In addition, I have discovered in this thread a great deal of misunderstanding about the various Dragon paths (including the knowledge of the existence of imposters that have usurped and distorted for their own selfish gain the ancient Dragon wisdom).

    I have also tried to get us to focus upon how we can actually help. I thought much of the folks here in this forum were oriented to this, I am beginning to think I was wrong.

    And finally, why are you not comfortable enough in your own truth to just let others be... and let life take its course?

    From your profile, I see you live in the UK. Have you ever drank the water provided to the public in Manchester or London? (I have). Are you satisfied with that water? If you say we have a choice and that we can drink other water, are you satisfied the cost and unnecessary inconvenience one must go through in obtaining clean, free water? Perhaps you can afford to do that but the vast majority of people on this planet cannot. Now let's go one step further. Have you analyzed what they put in our public water? Are you aware what all that stuff does to people who drink it? Have you considered what might be the motivations behind the PTB/Ws as to why they put that stuff in our public water? Is "being in your truth" possibly just an excuse to avoid the realities a huge percentage of humanity is being screwed every day just in the water provided? As just one single example of the long list of similar "truths."

    Did the world ever improve from just letting "life take its course" or did it take action for anything to actually change?

    I am ready to answer any more questions you have.

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    Default Re: Who is DRAKE: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon

    Time and again it returns -this theme for all of us here. Ever since Abraxasinas on first Avalon stirred the waters this meme resurrects again.
    Namely Dragon lore.

    For the record every form of spirit expressions in existence is allowed to be by Creator. Hence my respect for it.
    Also it should never be forgotten that if any other type of expression starts to invade free space and will of another , it is a violation of God given right to be.

    One thing which is ever persistent in whole this thing about Dragons and their form of expression is a constant invading and persuading tone of how to BECOME a Dragon .

    If anyone hasn't noticed yet - I will be the first to say it openly- I do not care to become a Dragon or to be reptillian or to claim them my gods or overlords.

    Should I re state this again or repeat it?

    Whom ever you are - you are not Dragons you are spirit expression which choose to be identified with this type of energy that later on became Dragon lore and being.
    Henceforth you do not have any given rights whatsoever in whole existence to continually persuade other spirit expressions that they should become YOU.
    If you do not change your approach it might get rough on your side.

    Or at the best case you might end up being left out to continue your wind down path towards self destruction of self service and fear.

    Leave human kind be.

    Depart into your own twisted perceptions about light and darkness, keep your logic for yourself and know that you are seen who you really are beneath your cloak of heavenly wisdom and godhead.
    True godhead is in all if you didn't noticed and sacredness of life is unbreakable.

    Life isn't about a lie or force or desire to rule over anyone, life 's about BEing your highest expression and if yours is this that you already show- then fare well into other realms far away from us.
    I didn't came again into this Earth to be enslaved by your interplanetary greed.
    Or should I name it fully Universal greed for you don't realize the spirit you serve for.

    I respect your needs and wished but spare me from them, those aren't mine and my brother's and sister's.
    Adio and God speed wherever you might roam.
    Eventually we will all return to Source from whence we all emerged.
    Love, love - and see what happens

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    Quote I would suggest to you that any magick that is not solely directed upon the practitioner is imposition of will upon another. And worse than overt force as the target has no clue magick they are the subject of a magical act.Who among us is to determine if intentions are good or not for anyone outside of ourselves?

    I must exclude if two or more are involved in a magical act that is directed to themselves or one in their group where all participants are in agreement of the act, but why not just become the change you are seeking from the magic?
    I see what you mean. So, even if my intent is good (as judged by myself) the consequences of magick is not necessarily good (even if directed at myself).

    I use the Tarot and Kabbalah for information, usually mundane. I use the deck created by Crowley for its artistry. I don't ever use them for magick. It's like going to an oracle and saying 'what am I not seeing in this situation?' (because we are often blind to our own faults or mistakes or what in us is holding us back from the change we want to be).

    I found a source of very practical mundance application of the lessons of the Kabbalah that does not include any of the magickal symbols or words.

    Anyway, to get back to Drake - I would never judge him for being a member of any society or following any kind of path. It does scare him how so many people are surrendering their minds and hanging on to his every word - he is becoming like a messiah to them. It has reached the stage where they believe anything and everything he says. They have abandoned reason. Would they do anything he says? Anything? If Drake finds power to be an alluring elixer he might just require his followers to do anything he says they should.
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    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
    ...even more important, opened humanity to Self-Knowledge that we are Infinite Spirit. This is the ultimate realization of a Dragon Master....
    So, that solves the Dragon Master title.

    Now, what of the "White Dragon"?

    There are, I think, two warring factions when it comes to the dragon bloodlines relative to this context. I will eventually get to Prophetaie Merlini, but first I will start with this.

    Quote This is how Eindri or Thor is described in the Edda and Waddell concluded from considerable research that the European god, Thor, and the Hindu god, Indra, were the same person, and that this guy was also the first "Aryan" king of Sumer. The Vedas connect Indra to the Greek god Zeus, also known as Jupiter. Some Sanskrit scholars regarded Indra as the same as Jupiter and suggested that he was a heroic human king who had led the early Aryans or "Nordics" to victory against the "serpent cult".

    Waddell produces a stream of evidence to show that the Hindu god, Indra, and the European, Thor, after whom we get Thursday or "Thors-day", are the same person or deity. He also says that the legend of Thor is the origin of the legends of King Arthur. Thor is known in the Edda as Her-Thor, which became Ar-Thur. Both Her and Ar come from the same root meaning...Aryan.15 The mist began to clear even further when Waddell observed that the name of the first Aryan king of the Sumerians in ancient Mesopotamia had the name of Indara, In Dur, In-Tur, or King Tur...Like Thor, Indara was also portrayed with a hammer by the Sumerians...

    The Edda tells the story of how Thor-Indara fought a constant battle with the serpent cult. The text equates "St George", the dragon-slayer of Cappadocia (Turkey), with the European god, Thor, who was also a "dragon-slayer". Both were said to have fought the "serpent dragons of the abyss" -their underground cavern systems and bases? In the Edda, the serpent cult engages in human sacrifice and blood drinking.

    Same old story, and again we see the theme of the Nordics or "Aryans" in conflict with the serpent people.
    Source: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bi...x/matrix09.htm

    Okay, my head is starting to hurt and I think I'm going cross-eyed from reading through everything...

    Here is Prophetiae Merlini. In it are Dragons, specifically The Red Dragon (the Britons), and the White Dragon (Saxons). The dialogue is cryptic and full of symbolism, have fun.

    http://www.crystalinks.com/merlin.html

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    Quote Posted by Beren (here)
    Time and again it returns -this theme for all of us here. Ever since Abraxasinas on first Avalon stirred the waters this meme resurrects again.
    Namely Dragon lore.

    For the record every form of spirit expressions in existence is allowed to be by Creator. Hence my respect for it.
    Also it should never be forgotten that if any other type of expression starts to invade free space and will of another , it is a violation of God given right to be.

    One thing which is ever persistent in whole this thing about Dragons and their form of expression is a constant invading and persuading tone of how to BECOME a Dragon .

    If anyone hasn't noticed yet - I will be the first to say it openly- I do not care to become a Dragon or to be reptillian or to claim them my gods or overlords.

    Should I re state this again or repeat it?

    Whom ever you are - you are not Dragons you are spirit expression which choose to be identified with this type of energy that later on became Dragon lore and being.
    Henceforth you do not have any given rights whatsoever in whole existence to continually persuade other spirit expressions that they should become YOU.
    If you do not change your approach it might get rough on your side.

    Or at the best case you might end up being left out to continue your wind down path towards self destruction of self service and fear.

    Leave human kind be.

    Depart into your own twisted perceptions about light and darkness, keep your logic for yourself and know that you are seen who you really are beneath your cloak of heavenly wisdom and godhead.
    True godhead is in all if you didn't noticed and sacredness of life is unbreakable.

    Life isn't about a lie or force or desire to rule over anyone, life 's about BEing your highest expression and if yours is this that you already show- then fare well into other realms far away from us.
    I didn't came again into this Earth to be enslaved by your interplanetary greed.
    Or should I name it fully Universal greed for you don't realize the spirit you serve for.

    I respect your needs and wished but spare me from them, those aren't mine and my brother's and sister's.
    Adio and God speed wherever you might roam.
    Eventually we will all return to Source from whence we all emerged.
    Total misunderstanding once again. "Dragon" as I have referenced is simply a metaphor as well as the dragon myths handed down. In some cases it is a title given out of respect for its metaphorical meanings. To take it literally is a mistake.

    But to close the door on what may awaken within one by contemplating on such metaphors (and we are inundated with them in our daily lives) reduces one to a pure physical and materialistic form of existence - no different than being the walking dead. Permanent 3D/5 sense prison = we should pat the cabal on the back right now for perhaps they have already won.

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    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
    For Ishtar

    Why is what I think so important to you?


    Because I see seemingly rational explanations as simply avoidance. It is this avoidance that has our world stuck such that the organized imposters (the cabal) can complete their plan for the enslavement of humanity and I have children who will inherit this earth and the life (or not) we leave them.

    And why is it so important to you to try to change what I think?


    I am not trying to change what you think - I hope to expand it - Specifically regarding the "Drake is a liar" issue, I am hoping to get you and others to see none of us are perfect thus not to require perfection from the folks who may be trying their best to help in a real, hands on, proactive way.

    In addition, I have discovered in this thread a great deal of misunderstanding about the various Dragon paths (including the knowledge of the existence of imposters that have usurped and distorted for their own selfish gain the ancient Dragon wisdom).

    I have also tried to get us to focus upon how we can actually help. I thought much of the folks here in this forum were oriented to this, I am beginning to think I was wrong.

    And finally, why are you not comfortable enough in your own truth to just let others be... and let life take its course?

    From your profile, I see you live in the UK. Have you ever drank the water provided to the public in Manchester or London? (I have). Are you satisfied with that water? If you say we have a choice and that we can drink other water, are you satisfied the cost and unnecessary inconvenience one must go through in obtaining clean, free water? Perhaps you can afford to do that but the vast majority of people on this planet cannot. Now let's go one step further. Have you analyzed what they put in our public water? Are you aware what all that stuff does to people who drink it? Have you considered what might be the motivations behind the PTB/Ws as to why they put that stuff in our public water? Is "being in your truth" possibly just an excuse to avoid the realities a huge percentage of humanity is being screwed every day just in the water provided? As just one single example of the long list of similar "truths."

    Did the world ever improve from just letting "life take its course" or did it take action for anything to actually change?

    I am ready to answer any more questions you have.
    Can y'all please take this to PMs?

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    The Dragon bloodline is not about real dragons. It's a Title, like "Lion of Judah" .

    Do you worship a Lion or was that a symbol of his regal stature? The Dragon bloodlines are ancient and quite possibly have a genetic predisposition to certain skills and abilities that may or may not have been awakened and given instruction on their usage by other beings like the Nephilim.

    It is the same with the stories about the elves, gnomes etc.. They created odd fairy tales.. yes fairies too... to take away the awe and power these groups possessed. They were mainly killed off, but they were not lil tiny people with pointed hats and ears. I found that article I posted the links about regarding the Dragon bloodlines fascinating in how history has been destroyed to blind us and fool us into ultimately again serving them.

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