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    Dennis not everyone is basing this on fawtly spiritual beliefs. Everyone has their own belief system about how things should be conducted when its simply a matter of cleaning up your house to the point you can see past all the junk and know yourself. Let's believe we are cleaning house instead of actually doing it. Not what you believe about yourself or others, but what can be clearly demonstrated.

    The starving prisoners shrug, some are annoyed and move away. They have heard this before, they are tired of hearing it.
    A few have listened, but no one has escaped. The hunger is deep, immediate, painful. Water is scarce, and what little is available is filthy. There is no indication that they will ever get out of this prison. As far as they know, none have gotten out - other than those who have died...


    You said it yourself. The truth is always self evidential. They listened but they didn't try.

    WHY? We're they given anything to try or just told to listen? What sort of idiot consults another prisoner to get out of jail? You consult those who have already made their escape. If you are not willing to excavate the inner landscape to get out of your own prison there is NO one out there, no matter how fine they talk that can do it for you. They will simply end up managing you, new boss same as the old boss. Old bossa was mean, new bossa is 'nicer'. You're still being managed, transfer to yet another prison facility. The lighting is better but, still a prison.

    Because stories fail. Plopping another belief system on the table for someone to believe fails, sure they've heard it all before. Thinking is far removed from doing. It is one thousand times removed from knowing.

    Were they given anything to TRY or ...were they given something to listen to? From another prisoner who changed the tatoo on their wrist from 'prisoner' to shaman. Another belief system to fail them, another shaman/guru/psuedo metaphysician to regal them with stories instead of SHOWING them. I see it in this forum daily. The same old victimized faces pile in to have a pat on the head and congratulate each other on saying "yes" once again.

    Gee I'm blown away with the effort that took. How hard is it to say yes. . That is what freedom and empowerment is reduced to, someone agreeing with me.

    Empowerment means rising above it all when someone says no to you or denies you and you triumph anyway.

    Their empowerment reduced down to the equivalent of a internet survey. yes yes yes. I heard what I wanted to hear--Someone is going to save me!

    And I am supposed to be impressed and respectful of the survey participants and they product they are endorsing....lol. Same old media traps. Good advertising, shoddy product. Respect me please even though I haven't done anything but agree with another prisoner.

    Making agreement to a belief, an idea, or another strategy that was burped up from the last failed strategy and flavor of the month.

    My empowerment is demonstrated in my life daily. I live in the same world as everyone else. Why am I wrong because I don't let someone else define my life. Not you, or the lite crue or the gfl or Wilcocks or Drake or Fulford?

    I do listen to counsel but from those I know who are already empowered and expressing freedom in their own life. They got out of jail. I don't take counsel from prisoners thats a good way to stay in jail. If they knew anything why the hell are they still in jail?

    What people are doing, that they can demonstrate and show evidence of doing something that moves for some appreciable change are far different than those who talk about how it's done without expression of that freedom in their own life.

    If you want to yark and babble to me about paying taxes you damn well better not be paying them yourself.

    If you want to yark and babble about how bad the laws are you better not be obeying them yourself.

    If you want yark and babble about how we are slaves to a system you damn well better be expressing an abundant , free life on your own before you ram it down my throat. You better be out from under the hand of the massa before you tell me what I should be doing.

    If you want to yark and babble about auto hypnosis you better not be hypnotized yourself.

    If you want to yark and babble on about source fields you probably shouldn't be showing and demonstrating in public how your fields are being manipulated.

    I have all the observation I need, it had nothing to do with talk, it was KNOWING what I was seeing. David is easily manipulated. Put him together with a more dominant personality like Drakes and what would you get? David will become Drake's bitch.

    If I want to get out of prison, I seek those who have already escaped it. Did they talk their way out?

    Talk is cheap. When these things we talk about are expressed through us, when you are making water out of whine, then I have some evidence. Quit telling me and show me something.

    Thus far all I have is what David has thus far shown me. He's weak. The strongest strategy in the world cannot be executed by the weak. Through all the 15 minute wonders that have passed through this forum I have not seen anything but talk and empty promises and notarized papers and motions. I know what those are, and they absolutely meaningless. "I have a petition to the judge to make a request of the judge so the judge can hear me talk more'.

    Same old way of doing things. .

    I'm not impressed. Am I showing you how unimpressed I am?

    Paperwork to show that more talk will take place. That talk will be somehow more 'official' because ....why?

    It's already officially talk.

    People who cannot clean up their house enough to know what is being said are weak. When people can clean their inner landscape enough to know what is being said, then they will no longer have to depend on other's to save them. They have the KNOW-ledge to make their own stratedgy and eventually no strategy is needed because there is no more prison. When they demand that I fall into line and follow the leader they damn well better be showing me something besides weakness. Because then, I will be managing them and I ain't nobodies babysitter.

    I don't need a s-tragedy , I don't need to talk, I just need to know who I am. Not believe who I am but know it. I understand that I am not the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce or anyone else. I know who I am and the prison walls dissolve. You don't have to convince me who i am, I already know it. I don't have to tell myself stories to know it.

    So when the babbling light worker appears to 'fix me' and give me direction, Off is the direction in which they are told to **** . Go fix yourself and then we'll talk.

    When the tax man shows up to 'fix' me , they are given the same response.


    Why in the hell would I want David Wilcocks and Drake defining and shaping my future for me? Wilcocks would sell his mother to have the spot light for five minutes. He'd hang on the tail of the devil if he thought it could get some publicity.

    Fulford, Wilcocks, and Drake. Who the **** are they to me. Who I am I to them? another face in the crowd to feed them. That's just how the ptb operates. We're just numbers, that generate attention and some money. Why would i go right back into that same scenario again? Because they are telling me something i want to hear. I don't want to hear anyone telling they are going to fix me. That's my life. I have been gifted with a life and responsiblity to manage it. If I don't want to manage it someone else will. You want to refuse the gift you are given, the ability to manage your own life, what do you reasonably expect on a karmic level is going to happen?

    What have they done to express freedom in their lives? Obviously they do not feel free. People who are free are not fighting to get out of a prison.

    The free can show you, not tell you, how to be free. The other prisoners can't. One's freedom is expressed outwardly in their lives. A little at a time. No magick wand.

    What are they giving to others so they may express freedom in their lives now?

    Nothing. More talk, more beliefs, more of something to be fixed, more waiting for what the future will bring when its all ready to be known right now.

    I'm not in a prison. Nor do I behave like I'm in a prison. Do I a strike you as a prisoner? What am I bound by? Why don't I work but live an abundant life, why don't I pay taxes, why aren't I ill? Why don't I need a job? Why don't I need a doctor. Why don't I need someone to protect me? Why don't I need medication? Why don't I need someone to give me a future? Why don't I need a doctor or a lawyer? Because those are things offered by 'that' side to fix me.

    I see no difference between the Drake, Fulfords and Wilcocks in the world and the ptb. If they think they have the means to fix things why is not demonstrated in their own life.

    Do I refuse counsel and strategy from others. Mostly because they don't KNOW what they are talking about, they THINK they do. What they talk about and what they SHOW me are two entirely different things.

    Most people do not know the difference between thinking and knowing. They let others do their thinking for them.

    Someone may be the self professed authority on sometime but they have no authority over me. They have no authority over themselves.

    It is becoming more and more known to me the reason we have draconic laws, and authorities who manage our lives, is simply because people don't want to manage their own lives. I see this daily demonstrated on this forum "Someone has to come fix me or save me or release me from my prison".

    Someone took advantage of that inability to manage themselves. They can't manage anything. They look to an authority figure to manage and that will always limit them. So that is what they have now. And that is what they are asking for now. Someone else to make a strategy for them, a plan, a way to define their lives. A pot of gold that never belonged to them in the first place is going to be restored. Drake may be able to talk the devil into setting his own arse on fire but having one's own arse set on fire isn't exactly wisdom.

    David Wilcocks shows only that he can set his own arse on fire and use his own tears to put it out.

    And they keep seeking to find someone else with a story that appeals to their victim hood. Every victim wants to be saved. Wants someone else to do the dirty work . When these people like David Wilcocks in PUBLIC, demonstrate they cannot manage their own lives and go rushing off to someone to 'help' them. They 'think' that they have the means of saving others...lol.

    Pleeeeeeeeeeeasee.... how can you talk about empowerment and then demonstrate something like that. Everything happens for a reason because we are creating it, and that is what David created by talking instead of doing. All his 'talk' failed him in public , providing it's own factual evidence. For a person has never had a death threat issued to them but an actual entity holding the gun to my head, and the way I saved myself was simply knowing who I am. And allowing it to express. It was not going to be impressed if I told it was the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce or that I had a strategy. The only thing saved me was knowing who i am.

    Death threats are talk. Having something attempt to abduct you is not. Practicing what one preaches . Now do we understand why I SEE this weakness. If you truly believed your own storyline you wouldn't be off blubbering and demonstrating your own weakness for all the world to see.

    It is any wonder I know David Wilcocks is weak and attracts those who can dominate and manipulate him. That is what weakness attracts. He blabs on relentlessly about auto hypnosis and fields, the self proclaimed authority, when some few of us stand by amused as the 'authority' is spellbound, their fields levered by others. I'd say he's a hypocrite but he truly is not aware of what is occurring. And neither are his adherents. That is a prison. The worst kind of prison is one you don't know you inhabit.

    By the fruits of our labors we are known. Now if we are waiting for someone to save us there is no labor and there is no renown. We will not be known ourselves.

    2012, the year another cycle begins. Another re-cycle of the same old same old. Oh a reset button may be hit and the same old syndicated story plays again. Because we on a personal level are not changing the program. In asking someone to save us, to define our future we are just re-stating we are not able to. And that is what will be returned to us.

    It is not a matter of strategy. Drakes plan could very well succeed and people are still under the rules and strategies of someone else. His legions won't be telling me what to do and what are you going to do? Kill me? You can't do anything to me. You can't do anything for yourself and you think you can do something to me.

    You can't do anything for yourself but you think you're going to do something for others.

    Of all these supporters of Wilcocks and Fulford and Drake what have these 'leaders' given their fan base to do. Entrusted them to do? Leaders know their troops,and give them something to do besides talk. They understand that you are dis empowered and can't do anything but clap at the horse and pony show when they take the stage. Who should know better?

    Something to demonstrate? To show besides more talk, on paper or otherwise? Or some appreciable change being made?

    .....its just American Idle all over again.


    The ptb treat us like slaves because we act like them. I'll work, you take care of me.

    Stop acting like that with the ptb and folks like Wilcocks and Drake and you will see that your enslavement will begin to dissolve. Miracles start to happen. And isn't that what you want, a miracle?

    When we stop this helpless, weak someone must save me, stop listening ot stories and do our work for our own empowerment you are going to see that reflected on the outside.

    If we are not free on the inside you won't be free on the outside. You wanna quote karmic events. That is what it boils down to. The more someone needs to manage and define your life and shape your future the more it will be defined, and caged, and managed, no matter if that person is a 'good' guy or a bad guy.

    Why are not all these supporters invited in to create strategy? Where are their roles in this whole strategy. As observers, watching Moses negotiate to free the peoples from Pharoah. Where did Moses take his flock? What essentially occurred with Moses. He drug a bunch of people who clearly didn't want to participate in the program he offered them (they just wanted to be free) through the desert. They complained and bitched, and partied with false idols. God showed his digust, Moses showed his disgust. The people taken from Egypt didn't clean their house, they just dragged after like deadweight waiting for someone , Moses, God or whoever to take care of them. Give us water, give us meat, give us manna, find us the nation of milk and honey.

    In that respect I would feel rather sorry for Drake. He may have high ideals but take a look at his supporters. They will become deadweight. David if he truly understood the source fields he speaks of could tell him this.

    This has not changed appreciably in thousands of years. And I don't SEE any appreciable change now.

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

    Honestly I'm with you. I'd absolutely love nothing better than to set it all down, and let someone else clean my house. Who wouldn't.

    That's how not how we get freedom. We will get equally dependent on the house cleaners.
    Hello 9eagle9.

    Allow me to offer another perspective, using those ideas as a starting point.

    I would agree if sentient beings had a real chance to clean their own house, knew how, and refused. Even if I (and my family) were among them, I would feel that our group lesson/karma was unlearned/unpaid.

    Let me set this scene:

    Hundreds of bleak, gaunt, starving people within the confines of a tall fence, with razor wire above. A prison camp. Resources are not really scarce, (guards and jailers are well fed, healthy, and well-equipped), but the keepers allocate resources to the prisoners as if scarcity was true. Deep despair from years of brainwashing, failed attempts to escape is rampant. A guy who appears to be a preacher or shaman, or maybe insane, imprisoned as well, walks among the prisoners, calmly, confidently, telling them - each of them - that they have the power to transcend the cage. They can break free simply by metaphysically refusing to be bound.

    The starving prisoners shrug, some are annoyed and move away. They have heard this before, they are tired of hearing it. A few have listened, but no one has escaped. The hunger is deep, immediate, painful. Water is scarce, and what little is available is filthy. There is no indication that they will ever get out of this prison. As far as they know, none have gotten out - other than those who have died...

    A few of the prisoners send whispers through the prison: they have a plan! A plan to escape! They have been working on the plan in secret, but now it is time that everyone knows, so that everyone will know the way to run when a section of fence comes down. There is still hunger, but, among some, a bit of hope. Other prisoners are convinced it will never work - whatever the plan is, it simply could not work. Still others believe they will all be severely punished when the plan fails, as they are certain it must. They add fear to their hunger...

    A few prisoners know the "lay of the land", and have figured out a way to end the imprisonment of all. All can escape using this plan - those who suspect the plan will succeed, those desperate yet hopeful, and even those who are positive it will fail. The jailers will be jailed in the process (it is a brilliant plan, not just an escape) - it is also a guarantee that at least these jailers will not be able to ever do this again, to anyone.

    Just as one woman among them is amazing with taking disparate scraps of food and making the meals more palatable, another woman is the best healer - the 'go to' person when there are scrapes and cuts and diarrhea - she knows the healing herbs among the weeds. There are other prisoners who are very strong physically, and are able to help out with the work so the weakest prisoners are not conspicuous. One man is amazing at capturing the dew, providing everyone with just a bit of the freshest, cleanest water in the camp. Within their equality, there is differentiation, there are honed skills. A few are strategists. They really do have the best chance of providing a strategy for escape. The plan will involve just a few of them - they have gotten closest to the guards, they have gained their trust...

    Now, are the prisoners weak who would listen to the strategists? Maybe the preacher is a Christ-conscious Buddha, and is correct that the prisoners do indeed have the metaphysical power within themselves to escape. Even if it is true, can they all learn to do it? Should they tell the strategists - who have declared that there is a small window of time, and they are going to try within days - "no thank you, we're going to figure out how to do this using metaphysics!" Are the prisoners in danger of relying on the strategists forever, or will they learn enough about the strategy as it unfolds that they could lead another escape, if ever necessary again? What about the group using specific honed skills of a few to help the many? Isn't that merely wise use of willing human resource, ingenuity, and compassion? Or, is that the weakness of everyone, because none have mastered all the skills to be totally independent of the group?

    Dennis

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    I might add, cleaning your house isn't metaphysics. It's cleaning your house. Metaphysics occurs when the housecleaning is underway.

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    Wow! Are you done with your tantrum??? Feel better now??

    Quote What have they done to express freedom in their lives? Obviously they do not feel free. People who are free are not fighting to get out of a prison.

    The free can show you, not tell you, how to be free.
    Quote Why are not all these supporters invited in to create strategy? Where are their roles in this whole strategy.
    check their forum – and see if 'your' state is done and what you can DO to help...
    http://frforum.freedomreigns.us/user/categories.aspx

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    Justoneman, yesterday you were a traitor, today you are a changed man, tomorrow you will be a liar, and the day after you may be a changed man again. We all change from day to day. If I had to count the many times I changed my mind over the 43 years, we would be talking about it for the next 43 years. It's all good, man!
    Hi Cilka - I do not understand the part about tomorrow I will be a liar? Are you saying that people may call me a liar? If so, of course people can throw labels at me - but the possibility that I would ever lie at this point in my life is highly remote. I could perhaps be forced to lie if someone's life depended on it, but you will not get lies from me. What you could label me as is - confused at times and after a strange night's sleep, a few PMs from some good folks, I realized I have left out the consideration of a critical component in my opening post which will require me to amend my original post as to possibilities. Thus my original post will be updated some time today that will cover the missing component.

    Liar you can cross off your list

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    a very good example of how to deal w/troll attacks -- thanks for the lesson, Justoneman, & carry on the Good Fight

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    Justoneman, yesterday you were a traitor, today you are a changed man, tomorrow you will be a liar, and the day after you may be a changed man again. We all change from day to day. If I had to count the many times I changed my mind over the 43 years, we would be talking about it for the next 43 years. It's all good, man!
    Hi Cilka - I do not understand the part about tomorrow I will be a liar? Are you saying that people may call me a liar? If so, of course people can throw labels at me - but the possibility that I would ever lie at this point in my life is highly remote. I could perhaps be forced to lie if someone's life depended on it, but you will not get lies from me. What you could label me as is - confused at times and after a strange night's sleep, a few PMs from some good folks, I realized I have left out the consideration of a critical component in my opening post which will require me to amend my original post as to possibilities. Thus my original post will be updated some time today that will cover the missing component.

    Liar you can cross off your list

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    Quote Posted by YvonneG (here)
    Thanks Justoneman, I made another request. But you do realize if we can't get it now, we are never going to know what it says. If you get it for free and I can get it for free, why can't you PM it to some of us? I understand you not wanting to post publicly here and I agree. But if you PM it to us what they sent you for free and would send it to me or anyone else for free, what is wrong with that?

    It is the only way that those of us who wish to respond to what you found and not just your feelings about it can do so properly.

    thanks for responding though,
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    Yes I did notice this Stan.

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    Speaking of Bill...why doesn't he 'drop in' to his own website much anymore...I rarely see a new post of his, and rarely see him on the board,
    Is he no longer participating here ? I miss his input !
    haven't you noticed that he comes in from time to time and delivers an opinion based on nothing but his hunches and takes off like the wind back to Equador.


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    It is possible the article is more than 5000 words thus I would maybe need twp PMs - I would be happy to PM it to anyone but I believe if you send the e-mail to Skousen and request the April 20th edition he would likely oblige, please try that first -

    I will add that I have received new information that will be addressed in my update of "How I see it all" later today. Realize after I wrote my opening post I have received new information and with a long night's sleep, I awake with some new perspectives - will update when possible but before days end.
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    Thank you 9Eagle9,

    I am glad you spoke your heart, and shared your heart.

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    XBusyMom: Those are predictably enough the words a co-dependent uses when one doesn't agree with their world view. The spill over erupts here, "Someone isn't agreeing with me!!"

    I'm not helping these people, I've made that pretty clear. Didn't I make that absolutely clear?

    To be VERY VERY clear....I'm not helping.

    Got it?

    Are we very clear and I shouldn't expect another order to 'go help'.

    What sort of fantasy land are you in that I can express a page long criticism based on my knowledge, not what was spoon fed to me, and you think that I'm reasonably just going to toddle off and help them because you ordered me to?

    Lol.

    Don't ask for my help. If I needed anymore evidence for the point I conveyed, yours is it.



    WHY would Drake and Wilcocks need my tantrumy old help?

    Just whore out to any old person that comes along regardless if there is no agreement to their strategy at all.

    That about sums it up. That demonstrates plenty on it's own.

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    Quote Posted by aranuk (here)
    Quote Posted by Lefty Dave (here)
    Speaking of Bill...why doesn't he 'drop in' to his own website much anymore...I rarely see a new post of his, and rarely see him on the board,
    Is he no longer participating here ? I miss his input !
    haven't you noticed that he comes in from time to time and delivers an opinion based on nothing but his hunches and takes off like the wind back to Equador.


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    Hi Stan - I understand what you are saying here and in being honest, my opening post was a hunch as well - my problem is that each time I consider new information (and/or reconsider information already obtained) I change like the wind - at least there's one thing I cannot or will not change and which I would give my life for and that is - My hope that all this nightmare of the world we have on planet earth today - specifically the human sacrifice - think about it - fellow humans that KILL in horrific fashion children, young adults and others so they can steal vital life essences and satisfy their gods - and these are the current rulers on our planet. Something has to change - I do not accept that my children or their children to be food for this diseased crowd. Nothing about that practice could be considered right by any of us here - am I correct?

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    The subjects at hand are the ones who need to prove they aren't liars. They have to provide proof, you do not.

    You are not required to believe anyone.

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    Justoneman, yesterday you were a traitor, today you are a changed man, tomorrow you will be a liar, and the day after you may be a changed man again. We all change from day to day. If I had to count the many times I changed my mind over the 43 years, we would be talking about it for the next 43 years. It's all good, man!
    Hi Cilka - I do not understand the part about tomorrow I will be a liar? Are you saying that people may call me a liar? If so, of course people can throw labels at me - but the possibility that I would ever lie at this point in my life is highly remote. I could perhaps be forced to lie if someone's life depended on it, but you will not get lies from me. What you could label me as is - confused at times and after a strange night's sleep, a few PMs from some good folks, I realized I have left out the consideration of a critical component in my opening post which will require me to amend my original post as to possibilities. Thus my original post will be updated some time today that will cover the missing component.

    Liar you can cross off your list

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    XBusyMom: Those are predictably enough the words a co-dependent uses when one doesn't agree with their world view. The spill over erupts here, "Someone isn't agreeing with me!!"

    I'm not helping these people, I've made that pretty clear. Didn't I make that absolutely clear?

    To be VERY VERY clear....I'm not helping.

    Got it?

    Are we very clear and I shouldn't expect another order to 'go help'.

    What sort of fantasy land are you in that I can express a page long criticism based on my knowledge, not what was spoon fed to me, and you think that I'm reasonably just going to toddle off and help them because you ordered me to?

    Lol.

    Don't ask for my help. If I needed anymore evidence for the point I conveyed, yours is it.



    WHY would Drake and Wilcocks need my tantrumy old help?

    Just whore out to any old person that comes along regardless if there is no agreement to their strategy at all.

    That about sums it up. That demonstrates plenty on it's own.
    Ummm.. nevermind... I can see you are still in the midst of your meltdown.

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    Quote I searched the title of the "newsletter" referred to and found this link where "somebody" seems to have posted it.

    http://www.libertyroundtable.com/con...9D-and-fulford

    Maybe someone who has got a copy can confirm if this is in fact the one....?

    * Post update *

    Confirmed by YvonneG
    Thanks for making this accessible to everyone on this thread. I followed the leads on the thread, found it, and read it. To me, this little exercise is an example of the power of this forum in finding and sharing information.
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    I have been quietly observing from the sidelines this whole Drake thing. My take? I am hoping for the best, but prepared for the worst. There is nothing wrong with hope, as long as it is not confused with delusion .

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    Yes please come back and ask again when you think you can lever and emotionally manipulate my agreement.

    Don't do it before you're certain.

    Please understand you may not 'get your way'.

    Stamping your foot and ordering me to do my chores won't help either.


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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    XBusyMom: Those are predictably enough the words a co-dependent uses when one doesn't agree with their world view. The spill over erupts here, "Someone isn't agreeing with me!!"

    I'm not helping these people, I've made that pretty clear. Didn't I make that absolutely clear?

    To be VERY VERY clear....I'm not helping.

    Got it?

    Are we very clear and I shouldn't expect another order to 'go help'.

    What sort of fantasy land are you in that I can express a page long criticism based on my knowledge, not what was spoon fed to me, and you think that I'm reasonably just going to toddle off and help them because you ordered me to?

    Lol.

    Don't ask for my help. If I needed anymore evidence for the point I conveyed, yours is it.



    WHY would Drake and Wilcocks need my tantrumy old help?

    Just whore out to any old person that comes along regardless if there is no agreement to their strategy at all.

    That about sums it up. That demonstrates plenty on it's own.
    Ummm.. nevermind... I can see you are still in the midst of your meltdown.

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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    Yes please come back and ask again when you think you can lever and emotionally manipulate my agreement.

    Don't do it before you're certain.

    Please understand you may not 'get your way'.

    Stamping your foot and ordering me to do my chores won't help either.


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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    XBusyMom: Those are predictably enough the words a co-dependent uses when one doesn't agree with their world view. The spill over erupts here, "Someone isn't agreeing with me!!"

    I'm not helping these people, I've made that pretty clear. Didn't I make that absolutely clear?

    To be VERY VERY clear....I'm not helping.

    Got it?

    Are we very clear and I shouldn't expect another order to 'go help'.

    What sort of fantasy land are you in that I can express a page long criticism based on my knowledge, not what was spoon fed to me, and you think that I'm reasonably just going to toddle off and help them because you ordered me to?

    Lol.

    Don't ask for my help. If I needed anymore evidence for the point I conveyed, yours is it.



    WHY would Drake and Wilcocks need my tantrumy old help?

    Just whore out to any old person that comes along regardless if there is no agreement to their strategy at all.

    That about sums it up. That demonstrates plenty on it's own.
    Ummm.. nevermind... I can see you are still in the midst of your meltdown.
    oh, so you think I should change my mind and do what you tell me to because the unreasonable person is ME??????? (who is the one continuing to rant and rave about 'everybody needs to abandon this stuff' just because YOU think it is unworkable?)

    I did not ORDER you to DO anything... you posed a question as to why Drake (and company) was not inviting others to participate in The Plan - and I provided the counter-point that he [they] HAD...

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    Quote Posted by YvonneG (here)
    I think we are doing pretty good on this thread so far...I haven't seen anyone not respect Justoneman even if they disagree or whatever. So I think we are doing really well.
    I want to point out something I noticed... when I was beating the Drake drum to the point I was asked by another poster if I was Drake (this actually happened in this thread -

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e-Royal-Dragon

    I had experienced several posts that I felt were attacks - not so much at me, but at Drake and his credibility - and it affected me. I got very defensive.

    So far, as Yvonne has pointed out, I have NOT been attacked in any way by the pro Drake crowd.

    We can try and define love and we can try and define enlightenment but I haven't been able to do so - but we can know love and we can experience enlightenment in our relationships with others. The pro Drake crowd and my experience with them is loving and I dare say they appear to be ahead of the rest in how they reflect their enlightenment.

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    One thing I really question lately is the last "big fight" from the elite. I can't really see that happening because they've tricked a lot good people to do their dirty work for a very long time. I think that when it all comes to an end, the elite will be very few, standing alone. They won't have anyone fighting for them.

    If all our soldiers, police officers who aren't really part of their group but just working for them put down their weapons, if all the HAARP-type technology operators don't carry out their tasks/orders, can they really cause that much trouble?

    I just can't see a huge war being fought against "the elite".

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    Hi 9eagle9,

    Thanks for that response, that powerful response.

    I know that this thread is about Drake/Wilcock/Fulford, and your response centered around them, but you also went outside of them and that is the area of this response:

    The way I see the prison structure is like layers of an onion, and I agree that self empowerment and self-realization can provide the escape from levels of prison. The self-empowered individual completely controls the self, but (and I know some will argue this point) not the Self.

    If one is content to be a hermit, the only prison to escape from is the small onion skin around self. (Not saying this is easy. I have not achieved it. A work in progress.) This is the work all of the great spiritual teachers have tried to assist with - and in their wisdom they do not "save" or "fix" us - they hold up a mirror or speak in parables/riddles/koans to allow us to see ourselves and to change ourselves.

    If one prefers to interact with other humans, then another set - an additional set - of prison walls comes into view. If one of us is thirsty, the community's thirst has not been slaked. If one of the community is oppressed, the community feels the oppression. Many "activists" have been walking the walk for a long time, showing us that we can make a visible and visceral difference within community, to greatly soften that layer of prison walls - with the goal to dissolve the prison walls around community.

    If one feels compassion beyond community, for example, to stop genocide and ecocide on national and global levels, yet another set of prison walls is revealed. Metaphysicians say that if enough individuals free themselves, this outer prison cannot exist. Community activists say that if enough communities empower themselves, the nation is filled with communities that do not condone or participate in the genocide or ecocide, it cannot exist. I say that is faulty thinking, poor strategy, unreasonable, impractical, wishful thinking. Acts of genocide and ecocide go on unabated and uninfluenced by individuals or even community. Those planning and executing acts of genocide and ecocide are not community members (regardless where their brick and mortar residences are), nor are they swayed by the individuals that have escaped the first (and most difficult to escape) layer of imprisonment. The Buddhists broke into 2 schools over the concept of whether an individual's ultimate achievement is that first difficult layer, or whether a greater level of compassion is to not bliss-out from that achievement but rather to go beyond that and expand outwards to include all.

    While I personally work on that first, individual layer, and work on that community layer, I also see and feel this outer layer, this big prison that (I am convinced) will exist far beyond my lifetime if I do not personally recognize it and try to disassemble it. For me, it culminated in The Reset Button document and attempting to rally the millions it will take to stop the genocide and ecocide and the debt slavery and not only the deliberate duming-down of individuals but actually poisoning us, malevolently altering our DNA and our brain waves to make it impossible (or nearly impossible) to ever break free from any level of imprisonment. If you are unfamiliar with the Reset Button document, the call is to individuals to empower themselves. On a very individual level, to risk and probably lose their job, to (at least temporarily) change their own personal lifestyle by boycotting and divesting from all large corporations. I realize that the vast, vast, majority of individuals are nowhere near ready to break out of their individual prisons, and feel it is unwise to count on that great interpersonal transformation to happen, while the genocide and ecocide continue unabated. I feel that the most I can ask of those who, like me, have not achieved that individual prison break is that they at least see the big outer prison and help to tear it down.

    The plan Drake's team is (evidently) working on also attacks that big outer prison, and since the "jailers" that control this big outer prison as so malevolent and so powerful, I would be fine if this 'military-insider-white hat' group is real and the plan works.

    The big prison: has this really been going on for millennia? Do they really use dark forces beyond normal human emotion - black magic, ancient secrets for oppression and control? Do they really have malevolent ET and/or interdimentional beings' assistance? Or are they just sociopathic and psychopathic old white men who have gained control over the third rock? The Reset Button would take away their 'legitimacy' and overt funding, but will require millions of citizens. It is still, at this point, the only plan I know of that could displace these monsters from the helm. I'm still pushing for it. But I am just fine with an additional plan that would not just shove the minions of the jailers aside, but actually jail them. I don't feel disempowered if a group of people can neutralize the Dark Cabal - I would just feel like some Earth citizens, some global community members, knew how to take out the trash.

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    Wow, some people have stood up and spoken their truth very fully and eloquently. I am humbled and priviliged to have heard you.

    Can I share a story of what I have come to learn about integrity and social change?

    At an early age I examined all that I knew about race and decided for myself that it is irrelivant (sp). Therefore, in my entire life, when I have been asked the question 'What is your race' I have refused to answer because to honour my truth I must say that to me it is not relevant. I have travelled widely and have come across this question on official forms in many contexts and many countries and have consistently answered N/A. This is an example of honouring your personal beliefs in your actions, of maintaining personal integrity. So, if I was counted in the last census (remember I am the one who keeps bleating because I was not counted!), I would have done what was legally required of me and filled in the form, but I would have refused to answer the question about race. This is not civil disobedience at all.

    Do you remember the anti-war movement in America during the Vietnam war? I don't personally remember it and was not part of it but I grew up on stories about it - the biggest and most memorable anti-war movement ever, perhaps, but certainly so in my memory. (What happened to that America?) There were many who refused to go and fight. They hid, they were arrested, they fled to other countries. That is civil disobedience. We can find many more examples such as that in history. Civil disobedience is more than a matter of honouring your personal integrity because you act with a group of people in order to try and change something in society or in the law or in your government.

    Refusing to fill in a form because 'they' are a bunch of crooks and I am going to stick it to them is meaningless. There is no honour in that, no personal integrity and no civil disobedience. It's just childish.

    As others have said more eloquently than I in this thread, start with the personal integrity, and that should not be based on 'my intuition because I trust it' but all of you. Inform yourself, educate yourself, question, find out what you believe and why ...

    But perhaps the 'stick it to you because you are evil and I want to see you hang and then I am going to have a big party underneath your body in celebration' is who you are in truth (in the words of Clinton 'We came, We saw, He died!", with a big victorious smile). I would like to respect and honour that and you, but I don't want you running my town!
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    Quote Posted by InnerChiHealer (here)
    One thing I really question lately is the last "big fight" from the elite. I can't really see that happening because they've tricked a lot good people to do their dirty work for a very long time. I think that when it all comes to an end, the elite will be very few, standing alone. They won't have anyone fighting for them.

    If all our soldiers, police officers who aren't really part of their group but just working for them put down their weapons, if all the HAARP-type technology operators don't carry out their tasks/orders, can they really cause that much trouble?

    I just can't see a huge war being fought against "the elite".
    yep, but I cant really see a world-wide boycott/strike happening because we are still in the midst of needing our jobs in order to pay our bills...

    there must be another way??????

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