Benjamin Fulford's posts and reports

[Snowbird]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
I appreciate the post, I am going to tip toe through these threads for a little while with some of the heated responses from some reactionary minds that I have seen lately.

There are a lot of brave people here who are willing to put themselves out there. I hope they receive the respect they deserve and that people can disagree without being so personal and vicious and/or thin skinned.

This is a great site and I hope we can avoid the moral decay that some of the other sites have suffered from... like an earlier mentioned site ATS. I love you all. "Can't we all just get along" Sorry, had to borrow that...

[EsmaEverheart]

Never mind.

[YvonneG]

Hey you all. First of all no one is being asked anything except to tell people to prepare. Drake has asked the militia to prepare and if anyone goes to the wram forum, you will see alot of them may not agree or have not made up their minds but they ARE preparing. We are only asked to prepare for our own good. Now what's wrong with that.?

So if anyone doesn't agree fine. So if anyone doesn't believe fine. So if anyone doesn't want to prepare 'cause this is all BS, okay. I would love to see people approach this the way Justoneman did with love...he changed is mind...okay...he lovingly shared. Drake suppporters so far have lovingly shared back...in the end Freedom without Love is gona really suck

Posted by xbusymom (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Yes please come back and ask again when you think you can lever and emotionally manipulate my agreement.

Don't do it before you're certain.

Please understand you may not 'get your way'.

Stamping your foot and ordering me to do my chores won't help either.

Posted by xbusymom (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
XBusyMom: Those are predictably enough the words a co-dependent uses when one doesn't agree with their world view. The spill over erupts here, "Someone isn't agreeing with me!!"

I'm not helping these people, I've made that pretty clear. Didn't I make that absolutely clear?

To be VERY VERY clear....I'm not helping.

Got it?

Are we very clear and I shouldn't expect another order to 'go help'.

What sort of fantasy land are you in that I can express a page long criticism based on my knowledge, not what was spoon fed to me, and you think that I'm reasonably just going to toddle off and help them because you ordered me to?

Lol.

Don't ask for my help. If I needed anymore evidence for the point I conveyed, yours is it.



WHY would Drake and Wilcocks need my tantrumy old help?

Just whore out to any old person that comes along regardless if there is no agreement to their strategy at all.

That about sums it up. That demonstrates plenty on it's own.

Ummm.. nevermind... I can see you are still in the midst of your meltdown.

oh, so you think I should change my mind and do what you tell me to because the unreasonable person is ME??????? (who is the one continuing to rant and rave about 'everybody needs to abandon this stuff' just because YOU think it is unworkable?)

I did not ORDER you to DO anything... you posed a question as to why Drake (and company) was not inviting others to participate in The Plan - and I provided the counter-point that he [they] HAD...

[YvonneG]

Posted by xbusymom (here)

Posted by InnerChiHealer (here)
One thing I really question lately is the last "big fight" from the elite. I can't really see that happening because they've tricked a lot good people to do their dirty work for a very long time. I think that when it all comes to an end, the elite will be very few, standing alone. They won't have anyone fighting for them.

If all our soldiers, police officers who aren't really part of their group but just working for them put down their weapons, if all the HAARP-type technology operators don't carry out their tasks/orders, can they really cause that much trouble?

I just can't see a huge war being fought against "the elite".

yep, but I cant really see a world-wide boycott/strike happening because we are still in the midst of needing our jobs in order to pay our bills...

there must be another way??????

Catherine Austin Fitts knows about the elite better than most. She was friends with Bush Sr...asst housing secretary for him. Long story short she woke up, deiscovered the plan for what is NOW happening...the major theft through HUD...she had proof...she was the auditor! ON a show with Alex Jones a while back when Alex, as usual, had to be negative about everything, she told him, THEY COULD NOT SUCCEED ULTIMATELY BECAUSE THERE WERE FAR TOO MANY CAMPS AMONGST THEM. This woman lost everything had to be hiding...threatened etc. And if she says THEY COULD NOT SUCCEED ULTIMATELY...well that is far more significant to me then all the fear that so many of us (include myself) are responding to and FROM.

And I think if we all start working locally...we would be so much better off for it...

Be well...and thank you Justoneman for starting this thread...

[the_vast_mystery]

I think the ultimate problem here is that people need a defined source of hope with the world seeming so bent out of shape. Many, are so jaded they cannot believe in something not defined materially and tangibly. Even if Drake's releases are bull, which I admit I've already got my doubts, the reason people will cling to it so hard is because right now with all we see we need to have some sort of source we can draw hope from to not just decide to give up and kick the bucket. People want to believe in a world that will be worth living in more than anything, and that well-intentioned if perhaps foolish belief will lead them to adopt any supporting beliefs which can give them firm ground to stand on (in their own minds.)

Being a hermit is not only not an option for everyone, but if current trends continue it will eventually literally not be an option for anyone. Enlightenment does not stop bullets, batons or tasers, it may make you not care that you will be rounded up and shot in the head but it will certainly not prevent you from quickly dying at the hands of any number of current world sources of harm. Focus only on the inner and you blind yourself to the fact that the present moment exists outside as much as inside, we are not just consciousness, we are not just the one, we are still presently in an expression of some sort of shared consensus based reality. Where when you close your eyes, the monsters do not go away and in fact they regroup behind you so as to get a better angle of attack.

So much of what is talked about and discussed with regards to secret governments, UFOs, etc. all carries with it a heavy air of an inevitable, inescapable situation from which we currently do not have the ability to extricate ourselves. A conspiracy "so monstrous that no man could believe it exists" let alone believe they as an individual or even perhaps a small group could "fix" by themselves. So when faced with that possibility, those who want hope, are going to find any source, however rational or irrational to draw it from. It's simple human psychology, nobody wants to deal with a reality they have no direct power to alter. Organic farmers getting raided for no reason, are not going to, for instance, find hope that the laws that allow them to exist are getting narrower and narrower over time. People concerned about privacy will not draw hope in the ever-increasing and possibly entirely illegal surveillance culture, which we now know about thanks to two NSA whisleblowers (including another Drake, Thomas Drake! ;p) Yes, they as individuals can still take action, but as we're already seeing thanks to Occupy taking direct nonviolent action is still only having at best a muted success. We've changed the national dialogue, but now as we see the will of the people turn the light on congress' intransigence on issues that matter becomes all the more apparent.

We have a bought congress serving sources of wealth and power so large, no one man could individually challenge them. We have had campaign finance reform, one of our last bastions of hope for reforming the political process, struck down thanks to the Citizen's United decision which now allows the wealthy even more sway towards buying elections wholesale on a national level and probably on others as well. There is simply too much centralization of power for the current course of events to be altered unless there is a major event.

It may not be these mass arrests at all, it may not be disclosure. But yet, what Drake says, and in essence what I've been reading from many channels seems more to evidence a trend in the minds of people that something is going to happen, because something must. Something has to destroy the entrenched sources of power so that the people can take theirs back. So that police will go back to protecting and serving their communities instead of protecting and serving wealth and power. So that the military will stop being used in wars of foreign imperialist aggression, so that we don't have seven homes vacant for every one of America's millions of homeless. Yes, change individually is crucial but what is missed is while individual enlightenment is a monumental achievement as all are not on the same path, your individual enlightenment does not guarantee the planet will all achieve the enlightenment needed in critical numbers to suddenly change every decision making apparatus of the current power structure so as to fundamentally change it. You're basically asking for something to literally rewrite the hardened minds of tens of thousands (if not millions) of bureaucratic decision makers and elected officials all over the world based on what, your good feelings? The same good feelings they've learned to deny as a way to survive within this world? Something tells me they won't listen.

Is it still a possibility? Well, yes. But it's also technically possible, given an infinite universe and infinite time, for a duck to walk in through my bedroom door to try and sell me insurance. However the odds of that happening outside of a TV commercial are slim to none. So by honoring the laws and rules of this seeming physical reality we live in, things like logic, reason and science, we can see that there needs to be both a change in attitudes of the majority as well as a forceful intervention to clear the structures of power so that they might be reset by this new majority. Inner plus Outer. Anything less will result in more of the same. That said, there are many possible ways for this to happen even without the military, a total economic collapse might be all we need. If the Euro and dollar were to go it might be that was all it took for people to lose confidence in the government.

That said, I don't think that would produce the result we want because the disruption would be so severe that people might end up reverting to barbarism in the interim. While I question the legitimacy of Drake's plan, if you consider we have enough testimony to know there is some sort of a vast conspiracy going on, just that we are still only barely attempting to fully identify its size, scope and nature, then this "Plan" as an idea would represent the least disruptive and least violent way for humans to resolve current world issues. Could they be resolved in other ways? Yes, and it's probably more likely that they will be. But the Plan represents an ideal that is tantalizing in its emotional appeal. When you do a lot of research into this stuff you feel faced with a power imbalance that cannot help but leaving you feel disempowered. How can one be empowered if your food, shelter, and hell children or anything else could be taken away at a whim? You are free to try living as a hermit and the more you detach yourself from this current society and its laws the more free it will be to secretly do away with you the moment your presence becomes a bother. You might live an entire life alone, or you might only for ten years before someone evicts you from their land. What happens if they decide you were a trespasser and just goes out with gun armed? What about jail time? I won't even begin on the contradiction of attempting to "own" property when your right to ownership is only recognized pursuant to you paying property taxes. You are only as free in your ownership of property as the government is free to not eventually raise your taxes or seize your property for any number of arbitrary reasons. You are not free in that case, you are on a leash, it might be a longer one, but it is a leash none the less.

The only way to truly be free in this world, at present, is to have just enough arms, just enough good PR, be out of the way, and have so few natural resources that the world governments decide they'd rather leave you alone. Basically, if you were a tiny Island nation. Tell me, can everyone have a tiny Island nation? Because if not we might need another idea on how to get our full sovereignty back from the present system. This is why no amount of pointing out the flaw's in Drake's story will change certain people's minds. Because the next step is: Well then, what do we do now? And if someone does not know a way to ensure, with full certainty, their eventual success many will simply not do anything at all and continue on their present course. It's not cowardice, it's prudence and a bit of a cautious mind built up over years of abuse in one form or another. Yes, activists can make a difference, yes we should still try nonviolent boycotts and actions if we can, but let's not kid ourselves as to what those really are. They are the well meaning but ultimately weekend-efforts of people trying to stay busy just to make do with their daily bread. There are a number of people who can afford to be full time activists and Occupy was really what helped get that back off of the ground. But until everyone is able to strike at once, then their actions are ultimately not going to do anything other than garner news coverage.

So far that coverage has managed to make a marginal splash in the pond and it was done at great human cost. The real question becomes, given the present socioeconomic situation though, how many more protesters need to get shot, be beaten to a pulp, or get run over by police before we are out of this?

I'll also add this, yes, supposing Drake's plan were in any way representative of a real effort and that there were documentation that yes a lot of people would be angry and call for "justice" which is all the more reason for people now to consider in such a situation how they would calm down a friend or family member demanding heads on a pike. Because let me tell you, if any of this is real we need full public trials and legitimate sentences. Honestly I myself really don't care what they've done before, long term, as long as people like that may never reclaim their power. As well, quite honestly, I can think of nothing that would be more tortuous to such personalities as to be completely disempowered for the rest of their lives in prison. If they think they are these golden "elites" then reducing them down to the level of the people they routinely put behind bars will be an ironic twist of fate and enable them to perhaps, one day, see through the eyes of the people they oppressed.

But to say we should not expose these people, when crimes were committed? I think that's simply as unspeakable as the cover up Obama's DOJ has been doing for the banks on the foreclosure investigations. If people have done wrong it must be exposed and people must be brought to task for what happened. To do otherwise is to tell them that the horrors they committed were somehow acceptable. That again, is why we must have exemplary need for calm within ourselves especially were such an "event" to happen. If we the people have the power back, at last, we must use it responsibly.

So in the end, I'm absolutely certain of one thing. "Something" will happen by the end of the year, I'm still in the process of figuring out (if it's even possible) what that something will be. In the meantime though, for anyone to effectively argue regarding the nature of the plan I think requires we each put forth our own alternative. Because downtrodden people who feel desperate, disempowered when faced with their present situations need a source of hope. It's not a matter of "should," it's a matter of psychology and what people simply "will" do. Tell them the Cavalry's not coming, and they'll use their last rifle round to put a bullet in their brain.

[YvonneG]

Thanks Justoneman...

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by YvonneG (here)
I think we are doing pretty good on this thread so far...I haven't seen anyone not respect Justoneman even if they disagree or whatever. So I think we are doing really well.

I want to point out something I noticed... when I was beating the Drake drum to the point I was asked by another poster if I was Drake (this actually happened in this thread -

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e-Royal-Dragon

I had experienced several posts that I felt were attacks - not so much at me, but at Drake and his credibility - and it affected me. I got very defensive.

So far, as Yvonne has pointed out, I have NOT been attacked in any way by the pro Drake crowd.

We can try and define love and we can try and define enlightenment but I haven't been able to do so - but we can know love and we can experience enlightenment in our relationships with others. The pro Drake crowd and my experience with them is loving and I dare say they appear to be ahead of the rest in how they reflect their enlightenment.

[foreverfan]

Face it... Nobody on this forum knows what's going to happen. I have my doubts but since the whole system is destine to fail, it seems the military would be willing to fight a small domestic war (cabal) now instead of fighting a world war later.

[Avocadess]

All I can say is thank God/dess that if Drake and the mass arrest plan are for real it is NOT contingent on members of this forum whether it will be pulled off or not.

I still believe him. I respect Bill Ryan, but I am not willing to believe or not believe something just because he said so (or anyone else for that matter). I listen to Drake directly from the shows on which he speaks and have spent many hours LISTENING without criticism -- and then REVIEWING with criticism -- plus feeling my own sense of intuition and rightness. His plan sounds right as rain to me. Now I'm off to the Drake Updates thread to see what time and where I can hear him in the radio today on Wolf Spirit Radio.

I just want to say, that when and if Drake is PROVEN to be the real deal and those shysters, criminals and murderous psychopaths are truly arrested and put behind bars, I won't be saying "I told you so." I do understand that whether you and I believe or do not believe, we are all in the same boat (except perhaps for the shills on the site whose boat is not one I would care to be in over ours), and I look forward to the day we can all work together to get this world RIGHT...!

[xbusymom]

Posted by jackovesk (here)
Secrets of Survival with Joel Skousen

Joel Skousen tells you his thoughts on 'DRAKE' @ 16.50 mins

Apr 20, 2012

Joel Skousen is a political scientist, by training, specializing in the philosophy of law and Constitutional theory, and is also a designer of high security residences and retreats. He has designed Self-sufficient and High Security homes throughout North America, and has consulted in Central America as well. His latest book in this field is Strategic Relocation--North American Guide to Safe Places, and is active in consulting with persons who need to relocate for security and increased self-sufficiency. He also assists people who need to live near a large city to develop contingency retreat plans involving rural farm or recreation property.

http://www.joelskousen.com/



PS - Stop waisting your Time & Energy on 'Bogus' Conspiracies and start to actually do what you need to do to effect 'Real Change'...

“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

― Thomas Jefferson

Alex Sums it Up Best @ 26.10 mins

"Educate Everybody - Expose the 'Globalists' - Dig In Simultaneously & Stand Your Ground"..!

I'm sorry to say, my fellow 'Keyboard Warriors' this is the 'Truth'..!

Secrets of Survival:
several 'new' books on amazon: $35
http://www.amazon.com/Strategic-Relo.../dp/1568612621

#1 Joel talks like this is all inevitable- there is NO escaping – just individual people preparing (holding back the tide) for as long as possible- even predicting that WW3 will be nukes.

#2 A.J. Mentioned there are only 3 elites [???]

#3 very contradictory advice on where to go for 'safehousing'.

Recommendations for going to areas like Utah, Colorado, etc as a way to avoid refugee pillaging., but then Joel admits that the NWO have buttoned-up that area for themselves [so why would you run and hide in the snake-pit on purpose?]

Alex asks if “right up under them” isn't the safest place- they would never look there- things would not get too bad there? Joel recommends that we go further west [what happens if the west coast falls off into the ocean- as predicted ?? ] – and join up with the mormons... [Mitt Romney is mormon??]!

OR move to a conventional house that has a basement (remodel or add-on and make a basement/ hiding place/ food storages) and wait it out...

ALSO- some concerns about current laws regarding gov't declaring “scarce resources” and heavy penalties for 'hoarding'

Keep a low profile-
NO highly visable fortress... (do a variety of alternate energy sources, do security measures on doors and windows and walls/secret passages, etc.)

#4 How do his maps of safe areas compare to other maps of things like future flood zones and future NWO-owned real estate?? [( Interstate 35 = movie 'Red Dawn' = ???)(National Parks, Wildlife preserves, Indian reservations, etc.)]

#5 Joel berrates the dumbed-downed masses for not listening and not being aware of what is going on... they tout a 'me first' attitude then contradict themselves with 'I am so charity minded that divine intervention WILL come to help us out'. [what's up with that??]


****** my summation: very deliberately confusing...

[NancyV]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I have all the observation I need, it had nothing to do with talk, it was KNOWING what I was seeing. David is easily manipulated. Put him together with a more dominant personality like Drakes and what would you get? David will become Drake's bitch.

If I want to get out of prison, I seek those who have already escaped it. Did they talk their way out?

Talk is cheap. When these things we talk about are expressed through us, when you are making water out of whine, then I have some evidence. Quit telling me and show me something.

Thus far all I have is what David has thus far shown me. He's weak. The strongest strategy in the world cannot be executed by the weak. Through all the 15 minute wonders that have passed through this forum I have not seen anything but talk and empty promises and notarized papers and motions. I know what those are, and they absolutely meaningless. "I have a petition to the judge to make a request of the judge so the judge can hear me talk more'.

Same old way of doing things. .

I'm not impressed. Am I showing you how unimpressed I am?

Awesome rant, 9eagle9!! I REALLY got how unimpressed you are! LOL... After the remark you made about David as Drake's bitch I couldn't stop laughing. I enjoyed your entire rant. It was powerful and so true!

I do not live my life feeling like I'm a slave or I'm imprisoned. Of course someone can hurt or kill my body while it's my vehicle here in 3D, but "I" am free. In fact everyone is free. Perhaps we humans need to get to the point of feeling so enslaved that we are forced to finally understand that actual freedom is only within. The body/vehicle can be manipulated by others, but the driver of the vehicle is free. They can't take away that freedom. Only we can do it to ourselves... and we love to fool ourselves by thinking we are slaves. It must be a fun game and it's so nice not to have to be responsible, to have someone else to blame... but I'm not buying it.

I will not be a follower of anyone's plans to replace one system with another that will most likely end up the same as the previous one. Because human nature is what it is and history shows that after an overthrow of a government you might have relative peace for a while, but it always eventually becomes repressive. Ultimately it ends up as bad or worse than the previous system. It will also need to be a violent overthrow. Peaceful overthrows are somehow not very prevalent in human history.

Those who are hoping for a raise in the vibrational frequency of all humans here in 3D... you may have a very long wait. That state already exists on other dimensions. Why bring the higher vibrational frequency down to this slow vibrational frequency dimension? Each dimension is different. If you want a higher frequency where your body is more free because a light body is your vehicle.... go to a higher dimension. But YOU are still free here and in all other dimensions. No one can enslave you but your own mind, your own belief in enslavement. Even beings in what we call "heaven", who are existing in a higher dimension can be enslaved by their belief that "heaven" is the ultimate dwelling place and there is no reason for them to leave, nor would they seek to leave because it would seem impossible. Hogwash. I've seen as many people/souls trapped in "heaven" as trapped here on earth...all by their limiting beliefs.

The fact is we are one with the Source. We are all powerful, we are free. There is only one, etc. etc. We're just here playing a game and by all means, if the game you choose is to pretend you're a slave to the system and you must revolt, that's great and I hope you enjoy it! I will enjoy watching but I'm not helping in a revolution to free myself from slavery. I am already free. If someone brings the battle to us, we (my husband and I) will fight and enjoy it. If our body is killed... so what. It's just a car and this life is just a ride... and in my case it's an older model car so I'm about ready to turn it in for a newer, lighter body!

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
Allow me to offer another perspective, using those ideas as a starting point.

I would agree if sentient beings had a real chance to clean their own house, knew how, and refused. Even if I (and my family) were among them, I would feel that our group lesson/karma was unlearned/unpaid.

Let me set this scene:

Hundreds of bleak, gaunt, starving people within the confines of a tall fence, with razor wire above. A prison camp. ...

You left out a couple of bits of more realistic detail.

• What if, in your story, the prisoners are being informed of this by someone speaking into a bullhorn, easily heard by all, both prisoner and guards?
• What if part of the story claims that the majority of the guards are on the side of the prisoners?
• What if the self-proclaimed leaders of the escape claim to have been working the plan in secret for 30 years (all the while it is well known that all communications between prisoners are closely monitored) ?

It starts to sounds a little bit dubious with these details.

[Unified Serenity]

Hey busymom,

I think he is providing information on various areas and their plus and minus factors. He is basically saying get out of city centers, stay away for highways in crisis, and avoid grouping or making a noticeable safety zone. I think whether people like his views or not, that Skousen sees a survival approach as do as much as you can to be self sufficient, don't have a large gathering, and don't make yourself a target. Stay under the radar, and do the best with where you are or can get to in an emergency. For those who cannot get to point A and need to be near one particular area, he gives his point of view on how to best survive in that area.

I know what you mean about the future flood maps shown on various websites that are based off of visions people have had where the great lakes dump down and wipe out a large section of the land locked states. I have read some of skousens works, listened to him, and I think he is a strict realist as in what we know about places, what we know about the population in that area, and how many reacts in crisis. If some want to take a spiritual approach and just believe that they can sit and twiddle their thumbs and God will provide, then that is fine too. We each have to be at peace with our own decisions and those come by our own understanding.

Some people do not believe in reading anything. They say, "God will guide me" and they have no interest in how this group or that group works. They are going to simply live their life as their spirit is lead, and that's fine as well. I never discuss things with people like that because we approach the world from a different angle. I think they worry a lot less than I do about the future.

[Chester]

For anyone who may be interested - I have updated my original post to include an About me section - I will also update my Heart Position in an edit sometime later today - I will inform those who are interested in this thread when I do so justone

[xbusymom]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Hey busymom,

I think he is providing information on various areas and their plus and minus factors. He is basically saying get out of city centers, stay away for highways in crisis, and avoid grouping or making a noticeable safety zone. I think whether people like his views or not, that Skousen sees a survival approach as do as much as you can to be self sufficient, don't have a large gathering, and don't make yourself a target. Stay under the radar, and do the best with where you are or can get to in an emergency. For those who cannot get to point A and need to be near one particular area, he gives his point of view on how to best survive in that area.

I know what you mean about the future flood maps shown on various websites that are based off of visions people have had where the great lakes dump down and wipe out a large section of the land locked states. I have read some of skousens works, listened to him, and I think he is a strict realist as in what we know about places, what we know about the population in that area, and how many reacts in crisis. If some want to take a spiritual approach and just believe that they can sit and twiddle their thumbs and God will provide, then that is fine too. We each have to be at peace with our own decisions and those come by our own understanding.

Some people do not believe in reading anything. They say, "God will guide me" and they have no interest in how this group or that group works. They are going to simply live their life as their spirit is lead, and that's fine as well. I never discuss things with people like that because we approach the world from a different angle. I think they worry a lot less than I do about the future.

I may have to get the book and pour through it- and see what I conclude... the interview does make some awfully good realistic points about being prepared, tho.

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his cynics cap...

Well Justoneman, welcome to what is currrently considered the darkside (be patient)... if you ever need a really good giggle just browse some of the stuff expressed in 'da rulas of da wurld' threads for a fine example of how to purposefully distract purportedly intelligent beings !!

IIRC Queen lizzy (and others) involved in this situation hold what are termed 'liens' and if that is really the case then for anyone who undertsands the implications of those it becomes blatantly obvious this whole thing is a psyop or to put it more bluntly pure BS.

Going to put the whole system back on a precious metals backed basis. Hmm... so who has control over said precious metals if not TPTB and how is it intended to wrest back that control since they also control the guns? Start a war? How original...NOT !!

Has anyone got a link to the records of the international court(s) regarding this stuff and not some PDF full of crap that any fool could post to the web. Or have we all reached that stage of political correctness where asking for proof of extraordinary claims has become frowned upon as seems to be the case with the current lot of trenchers (er I mean channelers)

The lamestream mejia maybe under a tight leash but stuff of this magnitude being supressed worldwide for what, six odd months now...m'kay if y'all say so...

Same goes for those blathering on about resurrecting constitutions... go and look up up the legal definition of 'constitutor' then sit and have a good hard think about it. Could be a light bulb moment in it for some or a boeing through registered airspace for others...

I also have to seriously doubt the mental faculties of anyone who thinks attempting to drag the owners of the court system through their own courts has even a remote hope of getting off the ground... unless of course you misguidedly think justice before the law has anything remotely to do with justice....

Factually verifiable is the issue of new nuclear fuel rods sitting in a Fukishima cooling tank that is about to undergo catastrophic failure and the subsequent issues surrounding that but Wilcock et al are barking up this tree. Lets all carp on about a new money system while half the world is about to undergo another Chernobyl type poisoning... nothing like getting your priorities right there Davo.

So while we all seem to be enjoying the distraction being presented by the left hand does anyone have a grip on what the right hand is currently doing??

Or better yet the hidden hand.... oops silly me this is all about the hidden hand isn't it. The one doing all the rod walloping... meh.

[Unified Serenity]

You are waxing eloquently Mad hatter, please do continue with your thoughts, I know you stopped out of propriety's sake, but I would like to hear some more common sense. Ever care for a chat?

My skype is unified.serenity

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
Allow me to offer another perspective, using those ideas as a starting point.

I would agree if sentient beings had a real chance to clean their own house, knew how, and refused. Even if I (and my family) were among them, I would feel that our group lesson/karma was unlearned/unpaid.

Let me set this scene:

Hundreds of bleak, gaunt, starving people within the confines of a tall fence, with razor wire above. A prison camp. ...

You left out a couple of bits of more realistic detail.

• What if, in your story, the prisoners are being informed of this by someone speaking into a bullhorn, easily heard by all, both prisoner and guards?
• What if part of the story claims that the majority of the guards are on the side of the prisoners?
• What if the self-proclaimed leaders of the escape claim to have been working the plan in secret for 30 years (all the while it is well known that all communications between prisoners are closely monitored) ?

It starts to sounds a little bit dubious with these details.

But the point (I obviously did not make) was not about Drake's group. I was responding to 9eagle9's declaration of personal independence. I see it as different than the other layers. Add one million more individuals that declare personal freedom and sovereignty, and the genocide and ecocide will still continue. Add a billion more, and it will still continue. At some point the genocide and ecocide becomes VERY personal - we in the USA forget that we are free to not give a sh!t about anyone else on the planet, and don't even have to look at the dead bodies on the evening news. But, the dead bodies still pile up. You can ignore the genocide and ecocide as a dull, selfish, fearful person, or you can ignore the genocide and ecocide as a brilliant, shining person without fear, and with full personal freedom and sovereignty - either way, you, the individual, have done nothing to tear down the big prison, to stop the genocide and ecocide.

It is a different problem. It is too simplistic to say that a declaration of personal freedom (or even full-on personal enlightenment) answers all questions and repairs all problems. A declaration of personal freedom will not slow down or stop the plans and the actions of the Dark Cabal bastards, and so (to me) it is not enough.

Dennis

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
Allow me to offer another perspective, using those ideas as a starting point.

I would agree if sentient beings had a real chance to clean their own house, knew how, and refused. Even if I (and my family) were among them, I would feel that our group lesson/karma was unlearned/unpaid.

Let me set this scene:

Hundreds of bleak, gaunt, starving people within the confines of a tall fence, with razor wire above. A prison camp. ...

You left out a couple of bits of more realistic detail.

• What if, in your story, the prisoners are being informed of this by someone speaking into a bullhorn, easily heard by all, both prisoner and guards?
• What if part of the story claims that the majority of the guards are on the side of the prisoners?
• What if the self-proclaimed leaders of the escape claim to have been working the plan in secret for 30 years (all the while it is well known that all communications between prisoners are closely monitored) ?

It starts to sounds a little bit dubious with these details.

I think the point of the prison metaphor was to reinforce the idea that yes, there are some situations that are beyond our present ability to control without some form of help. The idea being to counteract the meme that somehow we as individuals acting separately and in disorganized fashion would ever be able to mount the collective effort needed to fix the big picture situation. If we as individuals all became of one mind, and one will, I.E. millions of physical bodies with the same mind controlling them all, then yes, we could fix the problem with personal responsibility alone.

The issue is, my personal responsibility or lack thereof does not change my neighbors and until we all collectively can organize that makes it an ineffective strategy to guarantee victory. So I don't think it was meant as much to specifically correlate to the Drake situation as to provide the context to understand how some individuals can be placed in a situation where yes, there really may not be any hope of outside escape unless someone from the outside helps somehow. So it would not be irresponsible for the prisoners, in their suffering, to wish for help as would otherwise be suggested.

[Fred Steeves]

Gotta tip my hat to you justoneman,you've got balls of iron brother. I highly respect that.

Cheers Mate,
Fred

[Kimberley]

I like this guy JonnyDontPlay on youtube. I talked with him for a while a month ago. I just found this video today and thought this was a good place to post it.

I do not agree with several of his points (as is the case with everyone)..however he has interesting points to ponder. I appreciate all perspectives, always have, always will.

Much love!

This was posted April 14th 19 minutes

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AcxEaDGCz8Q