Misusing the term "Fallen Angels"

[seigiarchon]

I notice a few people in here who equate fallen angels to the demons and devils who are enemies of the Celestial Heaven.

May I give a word of warning in here..

There are many angels who "fell" to earth and reincarnate as humans to raise the consciousness of humanity.

There are also many demons born in the underworld who have never been angels in the first place.

I caution all in here to use the term "fallen angel" judiciously for I can't imagine the karma which one would get for insulting the soldiers and servants of the Universal Creator.

[white wizard]

Posted by seigiarchon (here)
I notice a few people in here who equate fallen angels to the demons and devils who are enemies of the Celestial Heaven.

May I give a word of warning in here..

There are many angels who "fell" to earth and reincarnate as humans to raise the consciousness of humanity.

There are also many demons born in the underworld who have never been angels in the first place.

I caution all in here to use the term "fallen angel" judiciously for I can't imagine the karma which one would get for insulting the soldiers and servants of the Universal Creator.

From what I have gathered in my research the term fallen angels refers

to those beings who chose to split from the source and experience the

universe in a different way. From a higher level perspective they still serve

the source, because all experience leads to learning and understanding

regardless whether it is good or bad. There are probably an infinite

number of different beings who you could refer to as fallen from many

different levels of awareness. The thing most people do not realize is

they are hear to teach us and we are here to teach them, that is it.

The main thing I have been taught is to see both good and bad for what

they are and that is tools for learning and in the end in one form or another

we all eventually return to source some quicker then others.

[markpierre]

Why? Did you have the idea that karma is punishment? That's the kind of thinking we need help to correct.

[wynderer]

hmmm...someone who chooses to use 'archon' as part of his screen name is saying the fallen angels have been given an undeserved bad rep -- hmmm...

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by markpierre (here)
Why? Did you have the idea that karma is punishment? That's the kind of thinking we need help to correct.

Exactly, changing that thought will brighten up a lot of peoples days if they are still seeing karma as a form of postponed payback time in the bad sence of the word.

As with everything on this planet or in this universe for that matter, every action provokes a response and your actions will determine whats coming and in what way or form, no mystery here, its just consequences.( read concequences in a neutral form please).

[seigiarchon]

Posted by wynderer (here)
hmmm...someone who chooses to use 'archon' as part of his screen name is saying the fallen angels have been given an undeserved bad rep -- hmmm...

do you profess to know the single motivation of every one of the millions and millions of "fallen" angels out there in the universe?

do you profess to know the single motivation of every one of the millions and millions of archons out there in the universe?

what are the definition of angels btw? how are their biological, psychic, mental, etheric, astral, spiritual and soul structures like?

what are the definition of archons? how are their biological, psychic, mental, etheric, astral, spiritual and soul structures like?

if a being is to appear in front of you right now, how do you know he is an angel, archon or demon or even a curious mixture of all three?

Too many arrogant humans in here who think they know everything there is to know in the universe when their ignorance is as vast as the universe itself.

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Posted by 665 plumber of the beast (here)

Posted by markpierre (here)
Why? Did you have the idea that karma is punishment? That's the kind of thinking we need help to correct.

Exactly, changing that thought will brighten up a lot of peoples days if they are still seeing karma as a form of postponed payback time in the bad sence of the word.

As with everything on this planet or in this universe for that matter, every action provokes a response and your actions will determine whats coming and in what way or form, no mystery here, its just consequences.( read concequences in a neutral form please).

every one will face the consequences of their sins on the soon arriving judgment day..

I am ready to face the consequences of my actions.. Are you?

[wynderer]

it's just that 'fallen' thing -- i seem to get stuck on that -- i'd rather chat w/the unfallen ones

what i know of Angels is that they are extremely powerful -- a 'fallen ' one can do a lot of damage

[seigiarchon]

Posted by wynderer (here)
it's just that 'fallen' thing -- i seem to get stuck on that -- i'd rather chat w/the unfallen ones

what i know of Angels is that they are extremely powerful -- a 'fallen ' one can do a lot of damage

a "fallen" angel can do a lot of damage to who?

the demons and devils running this planet and their immortal "elite"?

why do you think angels fall? because every one of them go against the Creator?

or did some angels "Fall" because they want humanity to transcend beyond the limitations of mortality?

stop trying to paint a negative picture of ALL "fallen" angels..

the politics in spirituality in the higher dimensions is way more complicated than any politics on earth

[Space_Ace]

It's sad people can't get along even on this forum, but then this is the whole point of duality. From what I read, there's no "creator" devil nor hell. Everything in the infinite universe(s) were created by the infinite creator. We were all given free will to do as we wish, be it service to others or to self. God's law of karma was designed as a balance and lesson. Service to self souls will have to balance all evil with good and learn from their mistakes.

[Seikou-Kishi]

The thing is, people aren't misusing any words. Anybody who uses it in a way you wouldn't like probably just has a different definition for it than you do. We can all agree when it comes to words like motorcycle or pineapple, but fallen angel is deeply within subjectivityville.

[markpierre]

Posted by 665 plumber of the beast (here)

Posted by markpierre (here)
Why? Did you have the idea that karma is punishment? That's the kind of thinking we need help to correct.

Exactly, changing that thought will brighten up a lot of peoples days if they are still seeing karma as a form of postponed payback time in the bad sence of the word.

As with everything on this planet or in this universe for that matter, every action provokes a response and your actions will determine whats coming and in what way or form, no mystery here, its just consequences.( read concequences in a neutral form please).

Hey it isn't just that. That idea is justified by giving 'celestial beings' all of the worst traits of the human ego. Jealousy and retribution? How could you not question your own reasoning?

[Eagle Eye]

Angels can be everywhere, they don't change name if they still serve the Creator (devine purpose) even if they travel to planet , galaxy or dimension (they are angels). So fallen angels are those who were angels before but they changed their path, they are not Angels anymore.

[GoodETxSG]

If you were on Camel back 4,000+ years ago crossing Judea (Or the many names that area has had over time) and traveling to Babylon and other ancient cities at the height of their technologies and a limited base of reference of Science and Cosmic ideas (That we take for granted)... How would you describe a being that comes from the sky on a "Chariot"? What a fearsome sight that would be even now.

Would the being be called an Angel or a god? Would its exiled enemies then be called Fallen Angels based on this beings description of a civil war or heavenly battle? It’s hard to say. We shouldn’t try to interpret ancient religious descriptions with our current vernacular, esoteric beliefs of ET/ED beings and our own limited scientific knowledge.

We have no real way of knowing what they really saw or how the stories evolved around the camp fires though the ages before it was scribed. They would have absolutely no way of describing Alien technology as anything other than a magical or spiritual power.

I would think a bit arrogant for us to think we truly understand what the ancients were describing. We do have to use what we know of their culture and our understanding of the religious and ancient texts to piece it together. Maybe it ties in with what we think we know about the Watchers/Visitors/Aliens or maybe not. Exopolitics has become a modern belief system bordering on a religion its self.

Too bad much of our true history has been hidden from us and we think that civilization began with the Sumerians. I hope there is a hall of records that all of us have access to some day. If the Cabal has found it you know it’s buried in the Vatican or other Archives. They went through great pains to burn the contents of the Library of Alexandria and other depositories of ancient history and knowledge.

[pugwash84]

Fallen angels can be the "watcher" type who came down to spread humanity and also the shunned type who fell during the battle in heaven. Demons are normally spirits and not angels as angels are normally a physical entity.
However I would say that worrying about demons and fallen angels and so on does a person no good. If you look towards the dark for too long your soul will start to turn sad and dark too. If you look towards the light and think of good things and spend your time looking towards the light, your soul will also be light. This will make your body, mind and soul a whole lot more healthy. xxx

[Fredenit]

Posted by seigiarchon (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
it's just that 'fallen' thing -- i seem to get stuck on that -- i'd rather chat w/the unfallen ones

what i know of Angels is that they are extremely powerful -- a 'fallen ' one can do a lot of damage

a "fallen" angel can do a lot of damage to who?

the demons and devils running this planet and their immortal "elite"?

why do you think angels fall? because every one of them go against the Creator?

or did some angels "Fall" because they want humanity to transcend beyond the limitations of mortality?

stop trying to paint a negative picture of ALL "fallen" angels..

the politics in spirituality in the higher dimensions is way more complicated than any politics on earth

Hi seigiarchon, just how would you know the politics was on the moon never mind in a higher dimension, where is the proof of what you are saying, Have a nice day.

[GoodETxSG]

Posted by pugwash84 (here)
Fallen angels can be the "watcher" type who came down to spread humanity and also the shunned type who fell during the battle in heaven. Demons are normally spirits and not angels as angels are normally a physical entity.
However I would say that worrying about demons and fallen angels and so on does a person no good. If you look towards the dark for too long your soul will start to turn sad and dark too. If you look towards the light and think of good things and spend your time looking towards the light, your soul will also be light. This will make your body, mind and soul a whole lot more healthy. xxx

I Hear ya...

[kreagle]

Posted by seigiarchon (here)
I notice a few people in here who equate fallen angels to the demons and devils who are enemies of the Celestial Heaven.

May I give a word of warning in here..

There are many angels who "fell" to earth and reincarnate as humans to raise the consciousness of humanity.

There are also many demons born in the underworld who have never been angels in the first place.

I caution all in here to use the term "fallen angel" judiciously for I can't imagine the karma which one would get for insulting the soldiers and servants of the Universal Creator.

Because these "angels fell" from their "former state" they are no longer "servants of the Universal Creator", but, in fact, are now the "angels of Satan".

Jude 1:6
King James Version (KJV)

6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Matthew 25:41
King James Version (KJV)

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

(Partial quote)to raise the consciousness of humanity

This is "exactly opposite" of what their intentions are for mankind, in that they are deceivers of mankind, like their master, Satan is. They certainly want you to believe that they are here for our benefit and to help make us more "conscious of humanity",....and that's where the "deception" truly begins.

Revelation 12:9
King James Version (KJV)

9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Your "warning" is "alarming", to say the least. Perhaps you need to get in the "answer Book", (Bible), a great deal more!


Love and Peace,.....kreagle

[markpierre]

Posted by seigiarchon (here)

every one will face the consequences of their sins on the soon arriving judgment day..

I am ready to face the consequences of my actions.. Are you?

No fear, doubt, or hesitation at all, unless it was you doing the judging. Then we'd all be all screwed.

Is this a segment of the Twisted Gospel' show?

[bluestflame]

old scriptures were written in a time when we had a great deal less words to convey accurately a concept

sometimes an exercise in imagination can more accurately convey said concepts


ie sometimes the words get in the way

[kreagle]

Posted by bluestflame (here)
old scriptures were written in a time when we had a great deal less words to convey accurately a concept

sometimes an exercise in imagination can more accurately convey said concepts


ie sometimes the words get in the way

bluestflame,

I'm fully aware that the King James version of the Bible, oldest English rendition, is considered "old" to some.

The "original" Old Testament texts were written in Hebrew and the "original" New Testament texts were written in Greek,......and they, themselves, are even "older than that of the King James version!"

Going back, even "further" than that,.....the 10 Commandments, written with the "finger of God",......were even much, much older and they were written on "tables of stone"

In "each" of these examples,.....age of text is not,.....nor has it ever been,.....the problem with the veracity, or validity, of It's content!

Neither was there a problem with illiteracy during these "golden eras of time".

What some may see as "words,.....in the way", or obstacles to one's point of view,......"others recognize them to be Truth,....reverence them as such,.....and then allow them to be activated in their own personal lives!!!!

To you,.....these "words" seem to be "in your way"!!

To me, and many others,......these "Words" are the Only Way!!!!

The prophet Jeremiah spoke and prophesied about these "two separate types of individuals"

Jeremiah 6:16
King James Version (KJV)

16Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

I advise you to take another look at this "age old" Message!!!

Love and Peace,.....kreagle