Feminism is a NWO agenda to split the families

[nearing]

Posted by Neptun (here)
Denmark is also known for having the most happy citizens on the planet, what I don't believe.

Danish people are not happy. They also believe they are happy, because they think happiness is to live in a safe country, with free health care, free education

If they believe they are happy, they are happy. YOU are the one who isn't happy. So move!

Come on over to the US, you will still pay pretty darn high taxes and you won't have any free anything. Maybe you will find happiness here in the land of the 50+ hour work and a week vacation a year and no retirement funds and no mandatory healthcare.

We will be glad to have you - misery LOVES company.

[wynderer]

equal pay for equal work -- of course

i went to the first little 'Women's Lib' thing in Philly in '69 or '70 --[Philadelphia PA for non-States folk] -- i spent some time walking around & talking to all the different women -- i walked away thinking, Why are they so angry? & why do they want men's power when women's power is so good, & so much fun?

Posted by nearing (here)
Neptun, you are not making a good argument for yourself. The extreme inequality between men and women in the late 1800's and early 1900's started the 'feminist' movement. Women got real tired of being treated like chattel and slowly over the course of generations rose up and began fighting for equality. We are not there yet (women still earn 75% of what men do FOR THE SAME JOB) but have made great strides.

It's no good to argue that working for equality os a bad thing or an NWO agenda until we are ACTUALLY equal. IF women ever start earning more than men for the same job, then I might listen to your story.

And the whole signs with women on them thing? So? How long have we been living with men being the 'standard'? Come on.

[Neptun]

Posted by nearing (here)
Neptun, you are not making a good argument for yourself. The extreme inequality between men and women in the late 1800's and early 1900's started the 'feminist' movement. Women got real tired of being treated like chattel and slowly over the course of generations rose up and began fighting for equality. We are not there yet (women still earn 75% of what men do FOR THE SAME JOB) but have made great strides.

It's no good to argue that working for equality os a bad thing or an NWO agenda until we are ACTUALLY equal. IF women ever start earning more than men for the same job, then I might listen to your story.

And the whole signs with women on them thing? So? How long have we been living with men being the 'standard'? Come on.

I often hear the same argument, that women earn less than men. I have never seen any proof of that claim. I do agree it would be unfair, if women get paid less for the same job only because of her gender.

If some women earn less, it is probably jobs where they have to negotiate their salary. Women are not as aggressive, as men to negotiate and that could be one of the reasons, why they don't get paid more.

You can say, it is unfair, you have to negotiate your salary and those that are more aggressive get paid more and since men are more aggressive, men get more in salary than women. Well that's how the world is for both men and woman. Those that go for it and are not afraid to tell their boss they are worth X amount of $ and if they don't get it they will quite, get higher salaries. Why can't women do the same without having backup from the State? If the state has to regulate it and make laws we ending up in socialism and the state will have to make rules and regulations and interfere with the corporate world. What happens is, the state will grow enormous and become a Danish style nanny state with one of the highest taxes, that will go to the Elite.

The Elite wants socialism and feminism. It makes the state bigger and they control the state and the state controls the people.

[nearing]

Posted by wynderer (here)
equal pay for equal work -- of course

i went to the first little 'Women's Lib' thing in Philly in '69 or '70 --[Philadelphia PA for non-States folk] -- i spent some time walking around & talking to all the different women -- i walked away thinking, Why are they so angry? & why do they want men's power when women's power is so good, & so much fun?

Posted by nearing (here)
Neptun, you are not making a good argument for yourself. The extreme inequality between men and women in the late 1800's and early 1900's started the 'feminist' movement. Women got real tired of being treated like chattel and slowly over the course of generations rose up and began fighting for equality. We are not there yet (women still earn 75% of what men do FOR THE SAME JOB) but have made great strides.

It's no good to argue that working for equality os a bad thing or an NWO agenda until we are ACTUALLY equal. IF women ever start earning more than men for the same job, then I might listen to your story.

And the whole signs with women on them thing? So? How long have we been living with men being the 'standard'? Come on.

Sorry, not sure what you are asking, wynderer. Why do women want gender blind compensation for their hard work? You can't be asking that?

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Posted by Neptun (here)

Posted by nearing (here)
Neptun, you are not making a good argument for yourself. The extreme inequality between men and women in the late 1800's and early 1900's started the 'feminist' movement. Women got real tired of being treated like chattel and slowly over the course of generations rose up and began fighting for equality. We are not there yet (women still earn 75% of what men do FOR THE SAME JOB) but have made great strides.

It's no good to argue that working for equality os a bad thing or an NWO agenda until we are ACTUALLY equal. IF women ever start earning more than men for the same job, then I might listen to your story.

And the whole signs with women on them thing? So? How long have we been living with men being the 'standard'? Come on.

I often hear the same argument, that women earn less than men. I have never seen any proof of that claim. I do agree it would be unfair, if women got paid less for the same low income job.

If some women earn less, it is probably jobs where they have to negotiate their salary. Women are not as aggressive, as men to negotiate and that could be one of the reasons, why they don't get paid more.

You can say, it is unfair, you have to negotiate your salary and those that are more aggressive get paid more and since men are more aggressive, men get more in salary than women. Well that's how the world is for both men and woman. Those that go for it and are not afraid to tell their boss they are worth X amount of $ and if they don't get it they will quite. If the state has to regulate it and make laws we ending up in socialism and the state will have to make rules and regulations and interfere with the corporate world. What happens is the state will grow enormous and become a Danish style nanny state with one of the highest taxes, that will go to the Elite.

The Elite wants socialism and feminism. It makes the state bigger and they control the state and the state controls the people.

I practice medicine for a living and I didn't graduate with ANY non-agressive women. Men in the same field as me make 25% more than I via our own ongoing occupation wide salary surveys.

Just because you don't see evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It means you don't look for it or have access to it.

[wynderer]

i meant of course there should be equal pay for equal work -- not that i was ever that thrilled at having to go trudging off to a job day in & day out

i raised a son [till his death in '87] & a daughter -- i have come to the conclusion that it is much more difficult to be a man in this world than it is to be a woman

[nearing]

Posted by wynderer (here)
i have come to the conclusion that it is much more difficult to be a man in this world than it is to be a woman

Interesting conclusion. I respect your perspective.

[Neptun]

nearing,

I don't get it. Please clarify. How come you get 75% less in salary than men? Do you have to negotiate the salary? Who pays your salary is it clients or a hospital etc,?

[jorr lundstrom]

Why did you start this thread Neptun? Wots the purpose?

Men and women all over this planet are being boiled in

the same stew today. Are there no more important issues

than this? I just wonder.





All is well


Jorr 2.0

[nearing]

Posted by Neptun (here)
nearing,

I don't get it. Please clarity. How come you get 75% less in salary than men? Do you have to negotiate the salary? Who pays your salery is it clients or a hospital etc,?

Negotiation depends on the work setting. I don't where I work.

Unfortunately, it's still a mindset by corporations and institutions that the 'man is the bread winner and the woman can choose to work or not'. As if her salary is for discretionary spending only. So men are offered more, period. It's just a fact here in the US. In the 60's the amount was about 60%, so we are moving ahead VERY slowly.

And just for the record, I put myself through school while working full time and raising my son ON MY OWN. We pay for school above high school here too. I will be paying my student loan debt for the rest of my life while making less than my male co-graduates. Believe me, the grass isn't always greener, in other countries or in other genders.

[wynderer]

because the differences between men & women can be a very good thing? & they are now being used by the NWO to pit the sexes against each other? & the children pay?

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
Why did you start this thread Neptun? Wots the purpose?

Men and women all over this planet are being boiled in

the same stew today. Are there no more important issues

than this? I just wonder.





All is well


Jorr 2.0

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by wynderer (here)
because the differences between men & women can be a very good thing? & they are now being used by the NWO to pit the sexes against each other? & the children pay?

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
Why did you start this thread Neptun? Wots the purpose?

Men and women all over this planet are being boiled in


the same stew today. Are there no more important issues

than this? I just wonder.





All is well


Jorr 2.0

Is there anyone on Avalon who doesnt know that the elite

play the genders against each other? Already? Actually I

asked why Neptun started the thread. Anyone can

start any thread they want, I just wanted his eplanation.

I try to understand where he is coming from.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[write4change]

The big deal began with the Victorian Era and all its obvious problems with women not being able to inherit nor work and therefore, being forced to marry someone who usually did not treat her well. Industrialization removed the absolute imperative to marry. Single women were usually poor. Industrialization produced gentlemen. The term gentlemen was expressly created for men who inheirted and did not have to work.

Finally there was no education availiable to women and no really good education. In the US the ivy leaques like Yale, Princeton, Harvard and all the big military academies did not admit women until 1976. I know I was born ten years too soon.

Feminism as a movement was supported by the Rockefeller foundation so they could tax half the population and reduce their taxes. How the elites worked was really not known to people until the internet. I have 154 semester units in history, went to Stanford and lived with a Rhodes Scholar and no one I knew ever talked about the Federal Reserve. That is what the problem is not feminism itself.

Repression of knowledge, repression of monetary decisions, and the creation of the credit report which orginially was both secret and still violates all the red lining laws and confidentiality of your personal information etc. all these are much bigger deals than feminism. Talking about it this way is just continuing the divide and conquer.

Feminism is because people like Rove and Gingrich are in power. They are my birth cohort. I can tell you they are always angry that they could not get laid when they were young and now everybody has to pay for it. It is men like that feminism targets. They are really effeminate men with mean souls.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

The World Wildlife Federation uses concepts of conservation to infiltrate third world countries and pave the way for banks that had no other way in. Does that mean that we should reject ideas of conservation and preservation of endangered species?

There are extreme elements in every point of view. It's not hard to figure out that women were encouraged to enter the workplace and now we find that most families can't survive on one income. Yeah, that's part of the plan. That does not mean that women should never have had the choice in the first place.

Maybe we never should have given them the vote in the first place, hmm? Equal status and value for women is a good thing, regardless of whether or not the NWO has leveraged it to achieve it's own ends.

[Neptun]

Posted by nearing (here)

Posted by Neptun (here)
nearing,

I don't get it. Please clarity. How come you get 75% less in salary than men? Do you have to negotiate the salary? Who pays your salery is it clients or a hospital etc,?

Negotiation depends on the work setting. I don't where I work.

Unfortunately, it's still a mindset by corporations and institutions that the 'man is the bread winner and the woman can choose to work or not'. As if her salary is for discretionary spending only. So men are offered more, period. It's just a fact here in the US. In the 60's the amount was about 60%, so we are moving ahead VERY slowly.

And just for the record, I put myself through school while working full time and raising my son ON MY OWN. We pay for school above high school here too. I will be paying my student loan debt for the rest of my life while making less than my male co-graduates. Believe me, the grass isn't always greener, in other countries or in other genders.

It does not make any sense to me. I work with international business and have contact to CEOs.

It is not logic.

If we for a moment imagine a person is an investment for a company and they value each person as how much the person can generate profit to the company and we put a high qualified woman and a less qualified man to the equation. Does it make any sense the woman gets less in salary compared to the man?

If the company paid the woman less and she generated more profit than the man she would find another job and get a higher salary.

It is no different than supply and demand:



I have asked someone that has been very high level in Microsoft about if he knows about if women get lower salary than men. He owns his own company now. When he replies, I will let you know. Another one I know is awake at this time and he has his own company and does not think it makes any sense to pay women less for the same job as a man because of her gender.

It is also strange the feminists never show any solid proof. It is always the same. I can't show proof, but it doesn't mean, it is not true.

He says the same thing as me, it's a NWO agenda and to make both parents work instead of 1 and drain more value out of the economy and to let the state raise the kids and brainwash them.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Neptun (here)

I often hear the same argument, that women earn less than men. I have never seen any proof of that claim.

Then you have your hands over your ears yelling LA LA LA LA LA.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...983185,00.html
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/equalpayact1.html
http://www.pay-equity.org/
http://www.careerbuilder.com/Article...-Not-Til-2050/
http://www.catalyst.org/publication/...ngs-and-income
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2..._United_States
http://www.now.org/issues/economic/factsheet.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110602982.html
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/census...aygapgrows.htm
http://www.cluw.org/programs-payequity.html
http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...p_numbers.html
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-for-the-rich/
http://www.baltimoresun.com/business...9.photogallery
http://www.womensmedia.com/new/Lips-...wage-gap.shtml
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0193820.html

Clearly you are here to grind an axe and espouse your point of view. Right? Might I suggest you engage the fine people here in discussion rather than debate? You might find that they learn something from you about how the NWO has manipulated the equality movement and you might learn from them that there really is reason for half of the world's population to be concerned about how they are treated and valued.

[wynderer]

hey -- maybe all us gals should move to Denmark -- i think Neptun genuinely does not know that there is still a glass ceiling in many jobs for women [& for African-Americans -- & for Native Americans -- etc ] here in the States

Posted by Neptun (here)
nearing,

I don't get it. Please clarify. How come you get 75% less in salary than men? Do you have to negotiate the salary? Who pays your salary is it clients or a hospital etc,?

[Neptun]

Whiskey_Mystic,

My friend that owns a company said women are often in lower paid jobs than men. That is also what your first link says.

If women are more attracted to jobs like being a nurse or schoolteacher rather than a saleswoman, CEO or stockbroker. I do understand, why women earn less than men.

I work with international business and there are less women working in this business than men. I don't mind working with women, but they are rare in this business. They are simply not interested. They have the same chances to get into this line of work as men.

[gigha]

I feel a small musical interlude is called for

Posted by Neptun (here)

Posted by nearing (here)
Neptun, you are not making a good argument for yourself. The extreme inequality between men and women in the late 1800's and early 1900's started the 'feminist' movement. Women got real tired of being treated like chattel and slowly over the course of generations rose up and began fighting for equality. We are not there yet (women still earn 75% of what men do FOR THE SAME JOB) but have made great strides.

It's no good to argue that working for equality os a bad thing or an NWO agenda until we are ACTUALLY equal. IF women ever start earning more than men for the same job, then I might listen to your story.

And the whole signs with women on them thing? So? How long have we been living with men being the 'standard'? Come on.

I often hear the same argument, that women earn less than men. I have never seen any proof of that claim. I do agree it would be unfair, if women get paid less for the same job only because of her gender.

If some women earn less, it is probably jobs where they have to negotiate their salary. Women are not as aggressive, as men to negotiate and that could be one of the reasons, why they don't get paid more.

You can say, it is unfair, you have to negotiate your salary and those that are more aggressive get paid more and since men are more aggressive, men get more in salary than women. Well that's how the world is for both men and woman. Those that go for it and are not afraid to tell their boss they are worth X amount of $ and if they don't get it they will quite, get higher salaries. Why can't women do the same without having backup from the State? If the state has to regulate it and make laws we ending up in socialism and the state will have to make rules and regulations and interfere with the corporate world. What happens is, the state will grow enormous and become a Danish style nanny state with one of the highest taxes, that will go to the Elite.

The Elite wants socialism and feminism. It makes the state bigger and they control the state and the state controls the people.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RhfMvh6Em0M

[Neptun]

wynderer,

Good idea. There are no glass ceiling for African Americans or Native American women in Denmark if they can speak danish and are qualified.

Danish women say the same thing. They complain about men and women are not paid the same and show no proof. We got a woman PM!

It does not make any sense. Why would anyone not allow a high qualified African American or Native American woman a job, if she is better qualified than a white men? It does not make any business sense.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I don't even know what to say to that. THOUSANDS of studies are available that compare women and men in the SAME jobs and in the SAME companies even. Do your homework. And then prove me wrong with your own reports. The evidence here is so overwhelming that if you can't see it it is because you desperately don't want to. Why that is I have no idea.

And if you really want to argue please present something other than some anecdote about your friend who owns a company. I am a fifteen year career professional and I have worked in several Fortune 500 companies. We did our own internal salary surveys as well as looked at the reports provided by the government and several major institutions regarding salary equality across gender and race for our industry as well as other major industries.