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    That is called creating a circumstance for one's self. I didn't say I was immune to bullets, I said that one is impervious to the circumstances of that nature. Here is your programming tuning out and distorting what is actually being said because the program does not find it compatible to its chosen reality.


    Donning a bullet proof vest and standing in front of ten guns and asking them to open fire on me, is called consciously creating a circumstnace to get shot.

    People unconsciously create circumstances within the system to get shot.


    What you have described in a rather usually sheeple programmed way is a means of creating a circumstance willfully where I would be shot. I didn't make an impossible claim I said I am not given to creating circumstances where I will be shot.

    I am talking about dodging bullets, or being immune to gunshots, I am talking about not creating the ****ing circumstance in the first place.

    You don't know the difference do you?

    There are people who actually understand what I am saying. You however cannot. That speaks volumes.

    Sorry , your programming speaks volumes.



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    Yes it makes you impervious. why I never troubled by bullets, robbery, assualt. Single female living out here in the woods where no can hear me scream. I don't even lock my doors at night. Beyond that my home is easily defensible. The "Home Alone' kid could take care of it.

    I know what will happen if the unlikely event that I am attacked. The same thing that happened the few other occasions I was prompted to defend me and mine. I know precisely what will happen because its' been done before. not afraid to let my true power take care of me. I have no control over it, defense would occur regardless if I had any conscious control over it or not. I know what I am capable of because I've done it before, AFTER I brought down my programming.

    People who know me know what happens on a physical and energetic level when I feel something under my custodianship is threatened.

    Beyond that those circumstances just do not come to your doorstep anymore. There's nothing to defend. Doesn't hurt to be prepared but I'm not obsessed about, like I said i don't lock my doors at night.

    I defined the programming further upthread.

    Read it. I can't do your work for you, I can only remind you to do your work. I personally don't have an emotional investment in what happens to the sheeple. It's a pity and a shame but I am not even they are human anymore, maybe they are just lazy. But if they human potential they sure aren't doing anything to fulfill it. They don't care about themselves, yet I should? I am growing increasingly detached from their plight. Its not like they arent' given tools or access they simply don't want it preferring to remain conditioned and victims of their own psyche wounds.

    I do have a response to those who could possibly be preserved. Who are few. I know there is nothing here that I can say to the brainwashed masses I am only using them as template to demonstrate my point to those who have a chance. And they know who they are. They have no problem understanding me at all. They may not agree with me but they plainly know through their own experiences not what was 'told' to them, what I am talking about.

    The sheeple are just baahinig about the circumstances they are creating for themselves. It's like watching someone hit themselves in the head repeatedly iwth a hammer and whine about how it hurts, pausing only to pick another hammer expecting that something is going to change. How long do I need to watch that? Name me one good reason why I have to. The sheeple are gasping over the atrocities in the world, and afraid its going to happen to them even as they are doing it to themselves. They don't like watching what is going on the world but I should care as willfully keep enslaving themselves?

    I don't. I need only to support those few that can preserved from their own assholery.
    See, this is the part where I say you need to either post a video that shows you shrugging off assault rifle rounds (without a vest, you don't get to cheat and use the body armor society designed without you to say you can withstand force. Besides that armor is not 100% effective against everything) or I call a big fat BS on that bolded. Yes, you need to prove you are totally PHYSICALLY RESISTANT to man made weapons, not just that nobody would be inclined to shoot at you. Because I assure you inclination is as simple as wrong place, wrong time. So show me just how empowered you are and how useless our pathetic human weapons are against your obviously superior form...because that Ostrich? Yes, it thinks that by hiding its head in the sand protects it from Predators. (Even though it doesn't really.)

    So you now need to prove you are not just shoving your head in the sand by showing us just how well protected you are against those predators. Yes, you can try to double back on what you said and throw out a bunch of wishy-washy BS about how you don't have to prove anything to me and how none of this all matters because you're some great guru here to save a few people. But, supposing you did, it would just be a plausibly deniable excuse to shield your ego from being deflated at the fact you are making impossible claims about what you are capable of. Human beings, and the human body, has its limits. It's the one set of limitations we all share, and until you demonstrate your unique and total freedom FROM all of the limits of the human body, which I have yet to see anyone observe. (Although Mas Oyama, founder of Kyokushin style karate was pretty damn close. He fought 300-men on a three-day nonstop elimination tournament and regularly went one on one with rodeo bulls, but something tells me not even he would survive being shot point blank in the head with a .50 cal round.)

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    I find this an extraordinary conversation given the dream I had this morning. After talking to Unified Serenity about guns last night, I have this dream this morning where I am standing with a woman who wants to see my gun. So I pull it out of my holster, promptly drop it , it discharges into my ankle.<<<<that is my reality right there, I can easily not have ever shoot me but I can easily see me shooting myself.

    My first thought is Wow I'm glad the bullet didn't strike the woman. Then my foot is swelling and blood is pumping into my boot, but there's no pain.

    So I am rushed to a doctor who looks at my foot and says, there's nothing wrong with you. And there wasn't.

    I assumed I had this dream because I spent a goodish portion of my pre bedtime hour discussing guns, maybe not. Maybe its a little deeper than that.

    So hey you know what maybe I am immune to bullets. But I'm not going to consciously create the circumstance to test that theory. I uncounsiously created the circumstances to where that would not occur at all. It suffices I don't consciously create circumstances that put me in physical harm. That is part of the system programming.

    There are all sorts of bullets in the system. Cancer, lethal diseases, people trancend those bullets all the time. Not a lot of them but enough to show a new power is rising. it's not coming from anyplace external its come inside certain people.

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    Quote Posted by Space_Ace (here)
    Excellent post, Dennis Leahy! Those "debunking" Drake are either disinfo agents or brainwashed fools who don't realize that if mass arrests don't happen, we obviously can't win our freedom. It's far worse to not even try than try and fail. If we don't try, we automatically fail anyway!
    This very unintelligent response begs the question:

    What are you, personally, "trying" to do -- that you might "fail" at?


    It looks like you're posting on a forum... and that's all.



    Do you see? My guess is that you're doing nothing at all beyond being an armchair cheerleader for someone else's wishful thinking (or delusion -- take your pick). Please realize that this is not helping the world in any way.

    [I might add that I raise my eyebrows a little at being called a disinfo agent or a brainwashed fool! Neither could be further from any truth. I suspect that one or two other members may also bridle just a fraction at this.]
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    Quote Posted by Space_Ace (here)
    Excellent post, Dennis Leahy! Those "debunking" Drake are either disinfo agents or brainwashed fools who don't realize that if mass arrests don't happen, we obviously can't win our freedom. It's far worse to not even try than try and fail. If we don't try, we automatically fail anyway!
    I am confused here by this train of thought. What do you mean by "It's far worse to not even try than try and fail."?

    Do you mean that those who BELIEVE what Drake is saying are taking part in making the supposed mass arrests happen and those who don't BELIEVE are some how detaining this event?

    What type of fairy tale is this? Is it just a matter of what one chooses to believe that forms our reality?

    We ALL have a responsibility to do the Work that is necessary to change our shared reality... belief has very little to do with it and is in the realm of the manipulators.

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    9eagle9 said this and I'm reposting it so it doesn't get lost:


    You cannot have people without government because having formalized agreements
    is exactly what enables people to come together and work towards common goals.

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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    No Ayn Rand is not my hero she just represents another system.

    And its now different than the one the Drake Wilcocks of the world are representing. Rally them or rally around John Galt.
    Have you ever really read into Objectivism as a philosophy? You might actually like it. It sounds about right up your alley, it's all about personal responsibility and each person being solely responsible for their own happiness (or lack thereof.) It just entirely leaves out that part where you should care anything about what happens to other human beings that most of us recognize as empathy. If you really are all about people being responsible for themselves even at cost to others then you're going to need to do a lot more philosophical gymnastics to suggest that you aren't basically espousing a re-labeled form of Rand's Objectivism.

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    Look you don't understand that the world has a fading power structure taking its last gasp. It's system that has been in place for thousands of years. And the programmed, the sheep, are a PRODUCT OF THAT REIGN. You are enslaved to the same system the elite are.

    You will go down with their system, they shaped you, they formed you, you serve them. it is a symbiotic relationship, you need them; they need you. You are part of their system. They are part of yours. You both need systems.

    If the system that is going down as we speak goes down , you will too because you cannot FIND ANOTHER way to live.
    See, this is the philosophy showing right here. It's this idea of "You morons are getting what's coming to you, ha ha! I'm prepared, you're all going to die and I'll be safe and secure." That smug "every person for themselves" attitude which shuns the idea that there ever might be something more valuable to each person beyond how much manual labor they can do in a day.

    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    This thread demonstrates that you cannot live without a system, your solution is to find a another system. Or put a new table cloth on the old one and call it good. Bullets are part of the old system, we are coming into a time when last bullet will be discharged and that will be it as the last of the old systems dissolves. Maybe next year, ten years, next life time but its going down.
    Excuse me, which miraculous new technology have you acquired that makes you immune to bullets? I say again, there is far, far more ammunition out there in circulation than there are people to shoot with it. Unless you expect to physically neutralize all bullets or guns then you have not removed them from the system. You've insisted that since you don't see them they are no longer a part of your reality. The flaw being that you somehow believe you can isolate yourself from the physical world.

    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    An emerging power structure is rising, those who are learning to live without systems.
    Digestive system? Endocrine System? Repository System? Reproductive System? You're saying you can live without any of these? Gee whizz! I'd love to see an MRI of your brain seeing as it somehow manages to work in the total absence of any and all forms of neural networking that makes the normal human brain capable of functioning. A system is merely an ordered way of doing things, you cannot live without any and all forms of ordering or your body would not be able to function. Similarly no society may function without some form of order even if it's a minimal one. This is the essence of government, no large group of people can live without some kind of system unless they were all mindless clones of one another. It's just not possible because eventually there will always be disputes between people who have vastly different interests or beliefs and a framework for making sure those conflicts are resolved becomes necessary.

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    As much as you perceive the elite to be your enemy you are the actually simply the deterrent that keeps a new emerging power from rising faster, when it gains enough moment you will fall before it because it is meant to bring the systems down. and you are part of the system, you belong to the system makers. You will go down with the system.

    That is what you wer e made for, you are a creation of an old system. You can't live with out it. You cannot see things any differently than what old system allows.
    Seems more like this is what you want to be the case considering how much you laugh at the idea of people being faced with inevitable death in such a scenario. If you really felt like it was an unfortunate but natural phenomena you could not change then you wouldn't be so angry or resentful over it nor seem to take a sense of enjoyment from the idea that you're going to be the king of the hill when it's all over and everyone else is all dead. That sounds more like someone who got hurt pretty badly and is secretly seeking revenge by trying to find a way to rise above the people who attacked you so that you can claim some "moral high ground." Hint: If you have to think about how you can claim the moral high ground then you don't have it. ;p

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    Nor do you want to. People keep screaming for what they don't want.
    I know! Things like rape, murder, theft, and fraud! bunch of whiners! Those 11 year old girls in certain Asian countries who get kidnapped and traded as sex slaves should just chose not to get kidnapped! It was totally their fault! Just like how all those whiners in Japan should just chose not to get radiation poisoning! If they can't handle the radiation they should've just chosen not to be born! ;p

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    That is what you are. By choice or design, it really doesn't matter. The more the programmed sheep mill about the more they belay the rise of a power they themselves are screaming for. The moment it shown to them, they attack it with bullets. You are the enemy of everything you demand. And you wonder why it doesn't come to you.
    I demand complete and total physical resistance to all forms of bodily damage, because anything less would be utterly foolish. Do you think for a moment you have any real power? If you did you wouldn't be here making forum posts on the internet with a bunch of random people talking about how invulnerable to harm your personal philosophy makes you. You would be being recruited, actively, by the government or source only knows whom else. People would want your power for their own. The fact that instead, we are having a casual discussion about how since apparently nobody's tried to rob you at gunpoint or burglarize your home that it will never happen indicates quite the contrary. We're both just a bunch of sideline characters on the internet having fun wasting our time figuring out what this world all means.

    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    They don't understand what it means to live without a fear of bullets or another way of resolving problems. They only know the system. They scream and demand a different sort of life and when it is expressed to them, they attack it. They try to kill it because it is NOT a system, it not familiar ot them, it is a threat. That is what their masters do therefore they must too.
    Here's a hint: if your philosophy cannot exist in a world where there are many powerful people with guns who may decide they arbitrarily want to use their armarments to take what you own then your philosophy has already failed to take reality into consideration. That doesn't mean it even needs to be violent, but since you've already decided that as we're apparently mentally deficient we should all be left to ourselves to die I don't think you have any nonviolent solutions available to you. Starving people will do whatever they can to eat, and if you make their situation dire by laughing at it, well you can certainly guess who's food they'll be eying first (unless they find an easier source.)

    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    Here is the program at work.

    You can't see that its not a matter of dodging bullets, that is not a matter of merely the physical, but transcending the physical; its matter of never having those circumstances created around you.

    Come shoot me and see what happens. You demonstrate your point, come show me your point. I'll show you what happens.

    I could shoot you, but you couldn't shoot me.
    I don't have to come shoot you nor even try. The entire fact that you had to walk back on that point was all I ever needed you to do. You claim you are invulnerable and yet when I asked for proof you just so conveniently did exactly what I said (even after I said it was exactly what you would do, wow! you should try reading my posts more closely next time! ;p), you doubled back on your word and attempted to redefine your concept of invulnerability so that you could manage to keep from having to defend the claim that you are invulnerable. You're not, you're just some silly person posting on the internet about their personal responsibility fetish. If you were invulnerable you could conclusively prove it, you have not and then attempted to very cleverly redefine your terminology so as to try and poorly shift the burden of proof to me. But as I was not the one claiming invulnerability I don't have to prove anything beyond showing situations where you would be totally defenseless.

    The default state of things though, is that no human is invulnerable and as you are now claiming said invulnerability the responsibility is on you to prove exactly how you are invulnerable. I asked you to show how you can easily render guns, knives, bombs and radiation useless with your body alone, as that would prove that nothing would harm you and instead you are now trying to state that you have "magical protection" from situations which cause harm. This is laughable, there are many many people who believe very firmly in the power of prayer and yet mountains of these faith-healers lose children to diseases that could've been cured with some modern medicine. Their prayer didn't save them when a simple bit of medicine would. There are countless cases both historical and modern of people dogmatically believing that their God of choice or philosophy would deliver them from all harm and countless recorded results of those people meeting their untimely ends. It's a lot like how when you're drunk you think you're a better driver, but you're actually doing worse. In this case though you think your dogma makes you immune from bad situations, when in fact all it's done is made you more confident about your ability to responsibly handle situations. Kudos to you!

    But one day all too soon, if you keep that attitude you're going to be faced with a situation entirely out of your control that will make you realize that it is impossible to control for every factor while on this green earth and when that happens you will be quite ill prepared, as with that attitude I don't think you're going to get much help from anyone else with your problems when you spent so long saying all you ever needed was yourself.
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    Well, whether it is Bill or someone he trusts to post for him, I find his comments on several threads to be an effort to bully people like myself to get OFF this forum altogether so people can talk about the world the way HE sees it. Not that he has spoken more forcefully than the average poster -- but it IS his forum after all, and I really do NOT care to stay anywhere I am unwelcome -- even online -- when the host himself is putting me down.

    I guess I'll have to exit now. Anyone who wants to see what I'm posting about Drake, et al. -- I'm easy enough to find. I may just get more active on my blog or "Door #2" on Avocadess.com and bid you all a fond farewell. (Well, I can't say I've been fond of ALL of those here, but I don't hold any grudges either. I'd rather "travel light.")

    Wishing you all the best.

    I'm sorry this did not turn out to be a good place to share my passion, but any actor on the stage can feeling it when they are getting "the hook" and I'd rather just bow out now.

    Best wishes to you, Bill. I totally disagree with you, man, but I do appreciate all the work you have done in the past and wish you the best. Thanks for making this forum available. It was an awful lot of fun for a while.

    (NOTE: Please no one bother to PM me. I doubt I'll be back to check.)

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    If you read my posts instead of having programming re-translate it for you, you will find I never said such a thing.

    However I understand you unable to read what was actually said before your programming re-translates it.

    Putting words in my mouth does not help make you right. It makes you look like programmed, cognitively challenged sheep.

    You are creating a straw man argument and you have an audience who is observing you doing this.

    You do not become impervious by using just your body; you become impervious by letting go of your mind.

    I don't need people like you. I need people like me.

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    It's this idea of "You morons are getting what's coming to you, ha ha! I'm prepared, you're all going to die and I'll be safe and secure.

    No its you moron's are getting what you are ASKING for. Another system.

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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    If you read my posts instead of having programming re-translate it for you, you will find I never said such a thing.

    However I understand you unable to read what was actually said before your programming re-translates it.

    Putting words in my mouth does not help make you right. It makes you look like programmed, cognitively challenged sheep.

    You are creating a straw man argument and you have an audience who is observing you doing this.

    You do not become impervious by using just your body; you become impervious by letting go of your mind.

    I don't need people like you. I need people like me.

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    It's this idea of "You morons are getting what's coming to you, ha ha! I'm prepared, you're all going to die and I'll be safe and secure.

    No its you moron's are getting what you are ASKING for. Another system.
    You can't demonstrate how you are immune to/from anything. You are just saying that you "are;" I've presented countless situations where any normal human would be overwhelmed and you've done nothing but rebut "That'd never happen to me!" without putting in the most important part...the why. If you can't even explain how your miraculous power works to prevent people from being affected by others' situations when we all still share this same green Earth then that shows a reality deficit in your thinking. Because I can keep spinning out more and more circumstances where of no fault of your own, someone else's problem can spill over into your life. Because since we all share this planet, what happens to one of us happens to all of us in some fashion.

    But yes, go accuse me of not understanding your arguments. Just say I have a reading deficit, you picked that one up from my last post. You really do learn quickly!
    You could try to address my actual argument, which was that you alone have not sufficiently proven that you can keep other people from entering your world and affecting your life against your wishes. But something tells me you won't, because that's a losing argument. Please though, prove me wrong, this is fun! :D

    P.S.: The fact you had to ignore my each and every argument using rape scenarios is not a good omen. Because going by your philosophy if I overpower you physically I have apparently earned the right, and you consented by the sheer fact that you weren't physically strong or well armed enough to fend me off. Otherwise you would have to admit that yes, there are cases where someone can force themselves on you against your wishes and violate your person.

    Can you even try to address that one? surprise me!
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    Objectivism leaves out one part. You can be responsible for yourself and I know that victims just HATE that having any part in creating their situation. What objectivism doesn't state is that you can be responsible for yourself and still help others--but only those who are willing to be responsible for themselves.

    The ability to look at things objectively instead of subjectively. I am not the subject of what is occurring, I am the observer.

    People who are emotional basket cases cannot look at anything objectively.

    Those who don't want to be responsible for themselves are just vampires. They attempt to turn each other into victims of servitude. Service to others turns into servitude to others. Why serve a sheep when you can help a lion?

    And Drake and Company has done what for starving people lately?

    I see stories of rape and abduction and even brainwash victims on this forum daily that took control of their situation at least enough to publish their experiences. .
    Primarily being ignorant of what is occurring in the world is what caused their circumstances. Being influenced by someone 'appearing' to look out for their own good. Sound familiar? Remaining ignorant and trusting the wrong people. They had nothing to do with their circumstances. How did they save themselves. By becoming objective about it.

    Everyone creates their own circumstances out of ignorance. As you are demonstrating you can't help them fix that.

    The entire fact that you had to walk back on that point was all I ever needed you to do.

    Your failure to comprehend what I am talking about doesn't mean I'm wrong, it means you are unable to comprehend what I'm talking about.

    So have misunderstood what I said, and now are foolishly using what I didn't say as means of supporting your agreement which further demonstrates how programmed you are. Programmed people provide their own evidence.

    I asked you to show how you can easily render guns, knives, bombs and radiation useless with your body alone,

    You have hard time remembering we are composed of more than a body. The body doesn't create circumstances. It only is effected by them. It's not effected by circumstances that are not created. If there is no one shooting a gun at me I can't very well be affected by it can I?

    There are countless cases both historical and modern of people dogmatically believing that their God of choice or philosophy would deliver them from all harm and countless recorded results of those people meeting their untimely ends.

    I never said anything about God diverting bullets. You are spinning your chosen reality out of thin air, I suspect this how all the Drake followers operate. No evidence just what they want to hear. You doing the same to me here.

    Drakes supporters will more than likely be his undoing.


    I am impervious to bullets because those are circumstances I don't create for myself. I never said anything about God saving me.

    All situations pertaining to me are under my control.

    Your situation is not, you don't have any control over what you are saying and you are making that very evident. You are attempting to create evidence where none exists and that is what the rest of the Drake adherents are doing. Which is basically what every Drake critic is saying and you are making evidential right now.

    You're script is running I suggest you shut it off.

    Or can you?

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    That is all you are doing is spinning out unrealistic circumstances. That's not evidence. That all Drake and his adherents are doing, spinning out long lists of unrealistic circumstances and then telling people they are delusional when they don't believe them.

    You don't have an argument, you have as you self admitted a constantly spewing chain of self created circumstances that don't have anything to do with me. How would the circumstances YOU keep spinning out be MY fault?

    Essentially you are relating to me that because you are not in control of your circumstances, that means I'm a liar.

    That's programming. You have two arguements going in your head that is desperate to override what is actually being said here.

    Sheep magick: If I repeat myself often enough it will become true.

    lol.


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    If you read my posts instead of having programming re-translate it for you, you will find I never said such a thing.

    However I understand you unable to read what was actually said before your programming re-translates it.

    Putting words in my mouth does not help make you right. It makes you look like programmed, cognitively challenged sheep.

    You are creating a straw man argument and you have an audience who is observing you doing this.

    You do not become impervious by using just your body; you become impervious by letting go of your mind.

    I don't need people like you. I need people like me.

    ¤=[Post Update]=¤

    It's this idea of "You morons are getting what's coming to you, ha ha! I'm prepared, you're all going to die and I'll be safe and secure.

    No its you moron's are getting what you are ASKING for. Another system.
    You can't demonstrate how you are immune to/from anything. You are just saying that you "are;" I've presented countless situations where any normal human would be overwhelmed and you've done nothing but rebut "That'd never happen to me!" without putting in the most important part...the why. If you can't even explain how your miraculous power works to prevent people from being affected by others' situations when we all still share this same green Earth then that shows a reality deficit in your thinking. Because I can keep spinning out more and more circumstances where of no fault of your own, someone else's problem can spill over into your life. Because since we all share this planet, what happens to one of us happens to all of us in some fashion.

    But yes, go accuse me of not understanding your arguments. Just say I have a reading deficit, you picked that one up from my last post. You really do learn quickly!
    You could try to address my actual argument, which was that you alone have not sufficiently proven that you can keep other people from entering your world and affecting your life against your wishes. But something tells me you won't, because that's a losing argument. Please though, prove me wrong, this is fun! :D

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    Here's my plan
    When I was 24 I was held at gunpoint by a mugger. I knocked him out with a frozen chicken.

    When I was 24, a man broke into my home. I ran after him tackled him and knocked him unconscious.

    Realizing in fashion that I was somehow responsible for these situations I decided to persue why such occurrences should happen to me. What was I doing that I kept attacking such predation. (skips over whole look in the mirror and self responsibility part because its very disturbing to some audiences)

    As i grew older my means of defense became a little more sophisticated and less physical.. When my daughter was four a man decided to attempt to sexual interfere with her right in front of my face. I turned into a dragon and knocked him about 20 feet across the room and out the door. What is interesting this that I caused six other women around me to shift to and they went howling after their ass as well. This is called natural expression, it occurs when one’s programming is removed.

    When my daughter was older she was attacked by the neighbors dog AND the neighbor. When I went to intervene they both turned on me. People who know me well know all about the saga of me and the neighbors dog so i did the same thing. People had all sorts of helpful advice like get a gun, I have a gun. It didn't keep the neighbor or the dog out of my yard or from pestering my daughter.

    Now it is amusing to shoot paint all over a dog the size of house so he can drag that **** back home where it belongs, but it didn’t stop the problem. Shapeshifting did.

    When I awoke one night and there was some physical alien man thing in my room I turned into a dragon and off he went. His little alien head went rolling off onto the other side of the universe.

    More recently when something attempts to interfere with me I simply and energetically begin to pound the **** out of them by a phenom called Vibration. Becaue the sheep think this is a sort 'of feel good ' mechanism they can't employ it for the various ways that it can be employed. Like driving off dumbass unwanted influences.

    More recently I ran out of gas. Deciding I didn't feel like walking home or to a gas station I put my truck in drive and drove home anyway. Transcending the physical.

    I have witnesses to all these events except for the frozen chicken one . After that I got a gun and a knife because it is very undignfified for someone such as myself to carry a frozen chicken as a weapon. Now that I have these things I've found I've never needed to use them.

    So is there anything going on in these episodes that leads me to believe I cannot defend myself. Or that perhaps that's just suddenly going to change in the future?

    Or that I need to change my plan.

    Because it doesn't work for others doesn't mean it doesn't' work for me.

    Once I truly knew that I can defend myself, the need even for high tension energetic defense disappeared. Nothing happens anymore and I have no reason to believe that episodes that require that sort of intervention will be required. If so….what do I have to worry about?

    The sheep through their programming probably have a lot to worry about but I’m not particularly concerned. Once you understand how 'they' operate, then it becomes a stalemate.

    The fact that you don’t believe me doesn’t change anything. Your belief is not required for my circumstances.

    This is simply called “allowing one’s true expression” a phenom that occurs when one removes their programming that disallows true expression.

    Here’s a interesting question. Why can’t David Wilcocks do stuff like that? Like….when someone says they are going to kill him. He is after all the guru on all things energetic.

    After all what I'm dong is all about energetic fields and influencing them. Doesn't walk his talk? If he has direct expression of fields in his life why doesn't he allow them to..... say ....do something about those who are threatening him rather than bawling on the radio? One would be a 'new' way of managing one's life, the other is bascially your same old same old 'victim' reaction.

    A mystery that no has ever answered only to say 'he's human'.


    He created his own circumstances.

    ...and he wants to pass them along to you.

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    Objectivism leaves out one part. You can be responsible for yourself and I know that victims just HATE that having any part in creating their situation. What objectivism doesn't state is that you can be responsible for yourself and still help others--but only those who are willing to be responsible for themselves.

    The ability to look at things objectively instead of subjectively. I am not the subject of what is occurring, I am the observer.
    Physically impossible, the observer determines the outcome and that's just basic quantum theory. By the sheer fact that you have a physical body and are physically present here means that you cannot be an objective observer because your presence here changes the experiment even if you do nothing but observe. Let alone the contradiction of having a physical body and doing things. Now you could say that you're a former objective observer whose now come here to take action, but once entering the physical plane you are a part of this world just like the rest of us. So if you even want to begin to state that the world has no effect on you then you need to demonstrate conclusively how isolated you are from it. The lowest common denominator here being the human body. So you would need to first, prove your body is isolated enough that no amount of attempts to do it harm would be effective at motivating your action.

    This means you either need to prove you're invulnerable to physical harm, or have achieved such a strong meditative stance of pain control that you could be tortured on a rack for days without saying anything. Of course, seeing as you have children that also means you have to demonstrate one other thing as well. That being that you are either entirely unattached to your kids (So their being harmed would not motivate you to act) or that your kids shared in your same level of physical invulnerability as otherwise I am almost certain that you would react to someone's attempt to target them and use them as a tool to motivate you to act.

    The moment I can harm you or them enough to motivate your action is the moment you lose your status as an objective observer. As I have now proved that you have attachments in this world that are able to be manipulated into guaranteeing you act the way I or someone else may want you to against your wishes. That doesn't mean people can't try to have a broader, less subjective view of the world but it does mean that total objectivity, just like total perfection, is an impossible achievement on this plane. We can strive for it, but never reach it.

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    People who are emotional basket cases cannot look at anything objectively.

    Those who don't want to be responsible for themselves are just vampires. They attempt to turn each other into victims of servitude. Service to others turns into servitude to others. Why serve a sheep when you can help a lion?
    Why help anyone when all you need is yourself? You apparently don't see this is the path you're being slowly led down, but that's okay it's all your choice. I'm just going to make sure that you're sure it's the one you want to make. ;p

    By believing you can isolate yourself enough from the world you are basically going to have to keep isolating yourself more and more to function properly because the more independent you get the less you will see any need in giving aid to others. You might right now because of any number of reasons but what will happen is that as you get more and more along on your own you'll see less and less need for others and eventually all of your interactions will boil down to you feeling like they've become those same sheep you thought you'd gotten rid of. Because no matter how elite you think your "elites" are, which yes, that's what you're doing, practicing another form of elitism just with different membership criteria, they are not totally separate from the world any more than you are. So you'll only see them when they're asking for help, or resources, and eventually that will whittle away your belief that they were as elite as you thought until you begin to realize the only person "Elite" enough is yourself.

    We're all vampires to some extent, we need to continually feed ourselves to survive, what we eat differs but everyone must eat something. The only difference between the lion and the vampire is the lion hasn't yet figured out how to farm his food. But why would anyone want to risk coming home empty handed when with a bit more effort they can insure a stable food supply? Whether it's wheat grass or beef it's still food, it's still life consumed, it all has to come from somewhere. So just like no one is free from needing to eat, and no one is free from making mistakes you're going to eventually see that you cannot learn enough by yourself to solve every problem and ensure you succeed at everything you want to accomplish. To do big things you need to work with the world, and people are diverse with diverse needs and complex ways of interacting. You'll get nowhere by snubbing everyone and everything that doesn't meet your own list of arbitrary criteria.

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    And Drake and Company has done what for starving people lately?
    LMAO! This hasn't been about Drake or David Wilcock for ages. I'm not supporting them at all and if you'd bothered to actually read my other posts you'd have seen me speak multiple times about my reservations. I'm arguing AGAINST you and your philosophy not for anyone else.

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    I see stories of rape and abduction and even brainwash victims on this forum daily that took control of their situation at least enough to publish their experiences. .
    Primarily being ignorant of what is occurring in the world is what caused their circumstances. Being influenced by someone 'appearing' to look out for their own good. Sound familiar? Remaining ignorant and trusting the wrong people. They had nothing to do with their circumstances. How did they save themselves. By becoming objective about it.
    So being "objective" gives one the ability to escape from a pimp that carries a gun and watches your every move to make sure you don't bolt? This is where we get back to invulnerability again, being objective is a perspective change and changing perspectives does not amplify your ability to defeat armed thugs who are abusing you for money.

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    Everyone creates their own circumstances out of ignorance. As you are demonstrating you can't help them fix that.
    So a child must be punished for their own ignorance by being kidnapped and sold as property in Asia? That's the punishment for anyone who doesn't adhere to your view of objectivity? Again, what about date rape? Someone slips a drug into your drink and you didn't know until it was too late. So too bad now? He earned the right to do that by being clever? People collectively create their circumstances yes, but that's the part you're missing. There is BOTH individual AND collective responsibility shared in any given situation and the individual only partially contributes to what happens to them. In many cases they are more responsible than not but in a great many situations as well the collective can force the individual to take responsibility for something that was not in any way its doing.

    Such as the kidnapping and prostitution of young children in Asia. These people don't exactly have a choice when the options are either "do it, or regularly get beaten until you say you will." It's not a weakness if not everyone can withstand physical torture, that's showing complete disdain for individuality, why should everyone have to be capable of being put on the wrack for days? Isn't that the sort of world we want to move beyond? -_-;;

    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    The entire fact that you had to walk back on that point was all I ever needed you to do.

    Your failure to comprehend what I am talking about doesn't mean I'm wrong, it means you are unable to comprehend what I'm talking about.
    And just what is it then that you are talking about and why is it that it fails to take into consideration the absolute litany of situations I've presented which show how little responsibility an individual can have for the creation of many very dire situations that may occur within their lives?

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    So have misunderstood what I said, and now are foolishly using what I didn't say as means of supporting your agreement which further demonstrates how programmed you are. Programmed people provide their own evidence.

    I asked you to show how you can easily render guns, knives, bombs and radiation useless with your body alone,

    You have hard time remembering we are composed of more than a body.
    Quite to the contrary, I believe we are far more then that. With that said however, I do not deny the body has primacy within the physical world. It is the lowest common denominator and we are not free from it. So long as we are not free from the effects of the human body we can never be free from being affected by the situations of other human beings on this earth. As those situations can and will affect at the least our body if no other factor. So then the onus comes upon you to show how these bodily effects will not motivate you into action and therefore proving your claim that you are unaffected by the situations of others which you did not create.

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    The body doesn't create circumstances. It only is effected by them. It's not effected by circumstances that are not created. If there is no one shooting a gun at me I can't very well be affected by it can I?
    Yes, but the flaw this argument leaves is in its insinuation that no matter what happens around you that you will never be being shot at. You are not being shot at RIGHT NOW because civilization still mostly functions. The idea that if it were to collapse you would never face this situation is where it falls apart. I mean unless you can offer an argument that conclusively proves no matter what no one will ever wish to shoot at you for absolutely any reason whatsoever. But failing that all I need to prove is that once people decide they want to shoot at you, you have lost. Because it's quite easy for anyone to imagine how, if you are hoarding scarce natural resources, and not sharing, that if civilization collapses people will want them.

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    There are countless cases both historical and modern of people dogmatically believing that their God of choice or philosophy would deliver them from all harm and countless recorded results of those people meeting their untimely ends.

    I never said anything about God diverting bullets.
    Well I am saying that you need to for you to prove in one way that no harm will ever come to you or your person from situations you did not create. You either need to prove that you cannot be harmed physically, or that you are so mentally detached that no amount of physical harm will successfully motivate you. Otherwise I can quite clearly show that no amount of your super-effective-wilderness-training is going to protect you from the large bands of roving marauders that would sprout up once civilization collapsed. Otherwise how are you going to guarantee their lack of food does not motivate them to take yours, therefore starving you?

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    You are spinning your chosen reality out of thin air, I suspect this how all the Drake followers operate. No evidence just what they want to hear. You doing the same to me here.

    Drakes supporters will more than likely be his undoing.
    Wow, I really love how you insult my reading comprehension when you haven't even been paying attention to anything I ever said about how I'm mistrustful of Drake and his PR in multiple posts over multiple threads. You are something special! <3

    You're saying that for some reason you cannot elaborate on, that even if civilization were to collapse that you would always be safe and sound because your being able to "live outside the system" somehow makes you entirely immune to other people's problems. And I'm the one who's spinning reality out of thin air? LOL!

    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    I am impervious to bullets because those are circumstances I don't create for myself. I never said anything about God saving me.

    All situations pertaining to me are under my control.
    And how are they under your control, what mechanism do you have which enables such control? Are you God? Can you move mountains, cloak your wilderness stronghold in a thick miasma? Can you cloud Men's minds like the Shadow? Do you have a fortress guarded by mines, automated sentry guns and booby traps? If you cannot describe the specifics of how you have this control then you do not have it, you merely think you have it and have done a bang-up job at convincing yourself you do.

    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    Your situation is not, you don't have any control over what you are saying and you are making that very evident. You are attempting to create evidence where none exists and that is what the rest of the Drake adherents are doing. Which is basically what every Drake critic is saying and you are making evidential right now.

    You're script is running I suggest you shut it off.

    Or can you?
    If I'm running on a script why is it I can predict your arguments before you make them? food for thought!

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    Here's my plan
    When I was 24 I was held at gunpoint by a mugger. I knocked him out with a frozen chicken.

    When I was 24, a man broke into my home. I ran after him tackled him and knocked him unconscious.

    Realizing in fashion that I was somehow responsible for these situations I decided to persue why such occurrences should happen to me. What was I doing that I kept attacking such predation. (skips over whole look in the mirror and self responsibility part because its very disturbing to some audiences)

    As i grew older my means of defense became a little more sophisticated and less physical.. When my daughter was four a man decided to attempt to sexual interfere with her right in front of my face. I turned into a dragon and knocked him about 20 feet across the room and out the door. What is interesting this that I caused six other women around me to shift to and they went howling after their ass as well. This is called natural expression, it occurs when one’s programming is removed.

    When my daughter was older she was attacked by the neighbors dog AND the neighbor. When I went to intervene they both turned on me. People who know me well know all about the saga of me and the neighbors dog so i did the same thing. People had all sorts of helpful advice like get a gun, I have a gun. It didn't keep the neighbor or the dog out of my yard or from pestering my daughter.

    Now it is amusing to shoot paint all over a dog the size of house so he can drag that **** back home where it belongs, but it didn’t stop the problem. Shapeshifting did.

    When I awoke one night and there was some physical alien man thing in my room I turned into a dragon and off he went. His little alien head went rolling off onto the other side of the universe.

    More recently when something attempts to interfere with me I simply and energetically begin to pound the **** out of them by a phenom called Vibration. Becaue the sheep think this is a sort 'of feel good ' mechanism they can't employ it for the various ways that it can be employed. Like driving off dumbass unwanted influences.

    More recently I ran out of gas. Deciding I didn't feel like walking home or to a gas station I put my truck in drive and drove home anyway. Transcending the physical.

    I have witnesses to all these events except for the frozen chicken one . After that I got a gun and a knife because it is very undignfified for someone such as myself to carry a frozen chicken as a weapon. Now that I have these things I've found I've never needed to use them.

    So is there anything going on in these episodes that leads me to believe I cannot defend myself. Or that perhaps that's just suddenly going to change in the future?

    Or that I need to change my plan.

    Because it doesn't work for others doesn't mean it doesn't' work for me.

    Once I truly knew that I can defend myself, the need even for high tension energetic defense disappeared. Nothing happens anymore and I have no reason to believe that episodes that require that sort of intervention will be required. If so….what do I have to worry about?

    The sheep through their programming probably have a lot to worry about but I’m not particularly concerned. Once you understand how 'they' operate, then it becomes a stalemate.

    The fact that you don’t believe me doesn’t change anything. Your belief is not required for my circumstances.

    This is simply called “allowing one’s true expression” a phenom that occurs when one removes their programming that disallows true expression.

    Here’s a interesting question. Why can’t David Wilcocks do stuff like that? Like….when someone says they are going to kill him. He is after all the guru on all things energetic.

    After all what I'm dong is all about energetic fields and influencing them. Doesn't walk his talk? If he has direct expression of fields in his life why doesn't he allow them to..... say ....do something about those who are threatening him rather than bawling on the radio? One would be a 'new' way of managing one's life, the other is bascially your same old same old 'victim' reaction.

    A mystery that no has ever answered only to say 'he's human'.


    He created his own circumstances.

    ...and he wants to pass them along to you.
    Yeah, all of that? You're on just as shaky ground as Drake or David Wilcock if you want to claim you have super human powers and yet cannot demonstrate hard evidence for them. Furthermore you'd need to even then show how these abilities can give you conclusive defense against all physical threats. Even if you have the ability floor one to three attackers with guns that says nothing about chemical, nuclear and biological weapons nor does it preclude the fact that your powers, if they exist are very likely subject to their own restrictions and limitations. Giving you a leg up, but not a definitive absolute advantage over everything here.

    If you were that powerful, I have a hard time believing that with everything else you would be left alone. Of course you'll cloak any further responses to this in plausibly deniable language so you can keep on implying you have some ultimate unbreakable defense, but if you were so secure in your person then you wouldn't even be here evangelizing so much to begin with in this thread.

    You're projecting, and badly. My guess is you are partly telling the truth though and are here on a recruitment drive. (Though you might not be aware of that yet) Thanks for the fun debate! :D
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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    Yes it makes you impervious. why I never troubled by bullets, robbery, assualt. Single female living out here in the woods where no can hear me scream. I don't even lock my doors at night. Beyond that my home is easily defensible. The "Home Alone' kid could take care of it.

    I know what will happen if the unlikely event that I am attacked. The same thing that happened the few other occasions I was prompted to defend me and mine. I know precisely what will happen because its' been done before. not afraid to let my true power take care of me. I have no control over it, defense would occur regardless if I had any conscious control over it or not. I know what I am capable of because I've done it before, AFTER I brought down my programming.

    People who know me know what happens on a physical and energetic level when I feel something under my custodianship is threatened.

    Beyond that those circumstances just do not come to your doorstep anymore. There's nothing to defend. Doesn't hurt to be prepared but I'm not obsessed about, like I said i don't lock my doors at night.

    I defined the programming further upthread.

    Read it. I can't do your work for you, I can only remind you to do your work. I personally don't have an emotional investment in what happens to the sheeple. It's a pity and a shame but I am not even they are human anymore, maybe they are just lazy. But if they human potential they sure aren't doing anything to fulfill it. They don't care about themselves, yet I should? I am growing increasingly detached from their plight. Its not like they arent' given tools or access they simply don't want it preferring to remain conditioned and victims of their own psyche wounds.

    I do have a response to those who could possibly be preserved. Who are few. I know there is nothing here that I can say to the brainwashed masses I am only using them as template to demonstrate my point to those who have a chance. And they know who they are. They have no problem understanding me at all. They may not agree with me but they plainly know through their own experiences not what was 'told' to them, what I am talking about.

    The sheeple are just baahinig about the circumstances they are creating for themselves. It's like watching someone hit themselves in the head repeatedly iwth a hammer and whine about how it hurts, pausing only to pick another hammer expecting that something is going to change. How long do I need to watch that? Name me one good reason why I have to. The sheeple are gasping over the atrocities in the world, and afraid its going to happen to them even as they are doing it to themselves. They don't like watching what is going on the world but I should care as willfully keep enslaving themselves?

    I don't. I need only to support those few that can preserved from their own assholery.
    See, this is the part where I say you need to either post a video that shows you shrugging off assault rifle rounds (without a vest, you don't get to cheat and use the body armor society designed without you to say you can withstand force. Besides that armor is not 100% effective against everything) or I call a big fat BS on that bolded. Yes, you need to prove you are totally PHYSICALLY RESISTANT to man made weapons, not just that nobody would be inclined to shoot at you. Because I assure you inclination is as simple as wrong place, wrong time. So show me just how empowered you are and how useless our pathetic human weapons are against your obviously superior form...because that Ostrich? Yes, it thinks that by hiding its head in the sand protects it from Predators. (Even though it doesn't really.)

    So you now need to prove you are not just shoving your head in the sand by showing us just how well protected you are against those predators. Yes, you can try to double back on what you said and throw out a bunch of wishy-washy BS about how you don't have to prove anything to me and how none of this all matters because you're some great guru here to save a few people. But, supposing you did, it would just be a plausibly deniable excuse to shield your ego from being deflated at the fact you are making impossible claims about what you are capable of. Human beings, and the human body, has its limits. It's the one set of limitations we all share, and until you demonstrate your unique and total freedom FROM all of the limits of the human body, which I have yet to see anyone observe. (Although Mas Oyama, founder of Kyokushin style karate was pretty damn close. He fought 300-men on a three-day nonstop elimination tournament and regularly went one on one with rodeo bulls, but something tells me not even he would survive being shot point blank in the head with a .50 cal round.)
    Vast - I don't think 9eagle9 is particularly worried about her physical and I see that as one of her true strengths

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    Vast - I don't think 9eagle9 is particularly worried about her physical and I see that as one of her true strengths
    Anyone can write that on an internet forum and be lying out their teeth about how little it really matters to them. When they see their child being restrained by armed goons they will be singing an entirely different tune. I'm saying that it is so utterly unbelievable that she would not react in those hypothetical situations that unless she can conclusively prove it ( by either demonstrating she is invulnerable to physical damage or mentally detached enough to withstand all physical pain, and emotionally detached enough from her children that their suffering will not affect her or that they share in her same immunity to physical harm) then I am calling her entire argument a bunch of BS she typed online to make herself feel better about her own, individual life-situation.
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    Well, whether it is Bill or someone he trusts to post for him, I find his comments on several threads to be an effort to bully people like myself to get OFF this forum altogether so people can talk about the world the way HE sees it. Not that he has spoken more forcefully than the average poster -- but it IS his forum after all, and I really do NOT care to stay anywhere I am unwelcome -- even online -- when the host himself is putting me down.

    I guess I'll have to exit now. Anyone who wants to see what I'm posting about Drake, et al. -- I'm easy enough to find. I may just get more active on my blog or "Door #2" on Avocadess.com and bid you all a fond farewell. (Well, I can't say I've been fond of ALL of those here, but I don't hold any grudges either. I'd rather "travel light.")

    Wishing you all the best.

    I'm sorry this did not turn out to be a good place to share my passion, but any actor on the stage can feeling it when they are getting "the hook" and I'd rather just bow out now.

    Best wishes to you, Bill. I totally disagree with you, man, but I do appreciate all the work you have done in the past and wish you the best. Thanks for making this forum available. It was an awful lot of fun for a while.

    (NOTE: Please no one bother to PM me. I doubt I'll be back to check.)
    Avocadess, you passion for the plan is honest. Your efforts in providing transcripts of the Drake broadcasts are appreciated by many on this forum.

    But Bill did not at all throw his weight around. In fact, my guess is he has consciously held back. Bill has his view and belief as to the possibility of the plan being real or not and if so, the Plan's success. He is just one opinion. Maybe more informed than many, maybe he has more practical experience to make a better set of odds as to all the ifs, but he is just one of us just like you. Anyone who doesn't know the guy's heart by now - that he cares, must come from another universe. He cares, he posted his views.

    Don't let what anyone else thinks effect your own truth. If they do - maybe its a good idea to look a little in the mirror and see why you are vulnerable to one man's opinion.

    Lots of us appreciate both your efforts to provide information to those who cannot spend the time listening to all these broadcasts as well as the massive heart you have - and an honest one at that - that wants to see positive change in this world.

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    Vast - I don't think 9eagle9 is particularly worried about her physical and I see that as one of her true strengths
    Anyone can write that on an internet forum and be lying out their teeth about how little it really matters to them. When they see their child being restrained by armed goons they will be singing an entirely different tune. I'm saying that it is so utterly unbelievable that she would not react in those hypothetical situations that unless she can conclusively prove it ( by either demonstrating she is invulnerable to physical damage or mentally detached enough to withstand all physical pain, and emotionally detached enough from her children that their suffering will not affect her or that they share in her same immunity to physical harm) then I am calling her entire argument a bunch of BS she typed online to make herself feel better about her own, individual life-situation.
    I hear ya Vast - I have three sons and would instantly risk my life to save there's - wouldn't be a thought. And when some of us extend that to the possibility that unless "we" stop "them" now, its a matter of time before they DO come for our own children as well as ourselves. But I also sense she's outside of that fear zone - some have achieved that. I am not saying I have... but as the layers of programming fall off... I can see it and I can see it being very real.

    Not trying to speak for 9eagle9 as I can't hold a candle to her...
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    I hear ya Vast - I have three sons and would instantly risk my life to save there's - wouldn't be a thought. And when some of us extend that to the possibility that unless "we" stop "them" now, its a matter of time before they DO come for our own children as well as ourselves. But I also sense she's outside of that fear zone - some have achieved that. I am not saying I have... but as the layers of programming fall off... I can see it and I can see it being very real.

    Not trying to speak for 9eagle9 as I can't hold a candle to her...
    If someone had escaped living in fear then they would not feel the need to call all forms of human aid evil, deride compassion as a personality flaw, nor call the majority of the population mentally retarded sheeple while implying very underhandedly that they're all going to get what they deserve (by stating that every situation is always exclusively the fault of the person it happens to via her philosophy, therefore conveying the implication that any time someone suffers, starves or dies they have none to blame but themselves and therefore are just getting what they deserve.) Someone who had fully escaped fear would be happily sharing how they had escaped fear and provide everyone capable with the same opportunity. Not talk derisively about how we're all such a bunch of hopeless muppets that can't apparently understand her vastly-superior-intellect.

    That sounds more like someone going on an elitist recruitment drive for their type of personality. People's actions need to match their words, and when they don't I'm going to point it out until I get a satisfactory explanation. If she's afraid of nothing, and has nothing to prove, she would never have felt the need to keep hammering home how anyone espousing compassion is evil. Simply pointing out Drake himself was fraudulent would be enough. (And I did in fact in my other posts noting the numerous factual innacuracies in his interviews with regards to legal documentation.)

    It sounds far more like she fears compassion-based philosophies very much, and is doing her level best to try and demonstrate (via argumentation) to others why they are entirely fraudulent. Otherwise why feel the need to continue the discussion to such a point? Myself? Well I'll admit I just love a good debate and this one seemed kind of challenging so I couldn't help myself.

    I'm not invulnerable, not free from fear, I have no super powers nor insider sources...but I can see the flaws in the arguments being presented and since a lot of them appear to be veiled behind layers of implied subtext I wanted to make sure they were apparent for everyone at home reading.
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