Free man/woman movement

[Straker]

Posted by Bryn ap Gwilym (here)
Here is nigh on a video version of the op by John Harris - It's an illusion

I did post it a while back, but I guess the timing wasn't right.

http://www.bbc5.tv/video/john-harris-its-illusion

Just as a side note: John Harris uses Thomas Anderson's images and info in his videos...for example the Policy Enforcer car. I love it..FORCING THE POLICY UPON YOU...

[Straker]

Posted by eyeswideopen (here)
Straker, you are so right about this, The UCC is their game and all that stuff about becoming a Secured Party Creditor is still fiction. I have done the UCC-1 and even went through the Turner docs but none of that stuff appears to do any good in this Matrix. I am glad that you have done what you could for your children. That in itself is a very good beginning for them.

My better free living woman on the land and I a free living man on land are proceeding to rescind the Marriage license. Who ever said the State had anything to do with two humans connecting with each other? All of these "license" are nothing more than adhesion contracts to keep one under control. The thing about all of this treasonous, poison on the free sovereigns of this land is that it has been brainwashed into us from birth and we never knew it. This awakening that is going on now and has been going on for quite some time is going to take time to de-brainwash.

I have been agonizing over the Social Security thing for awhile and looked at the application crap today and got very sick over it. I understand the ramifications of collecting that because one essentially places themselves under the 14th amendment citizenship which places one under the Federal Government as an employee and you know that we all live on this rotten plantation. I did send a rescintion of the power of attorney to the Social Security admin last year and never heard from them for at least 4 months and then recieved some stupid form letter with no signature stating that I could not get out of their system. Said something to the effect that the social security was governed by Title 26 USC which is the Internal Revenue Code. Well you know what that is, ain't no Law. Well all of that is for another topic. I believe Russel Means said it very succinctly.

I am enjoying our conversation and maybe you can direct me to other places to get this done. I have been researching and studying this stuff for years and have good folks that know alot about this stuff, and now you are here also, Thank you

Steven

Hi Steven,

Thomas explains a great deal about the state marriage thing in his books, and my wife and I have been considering the same thing. I called the registrar to discuss it, and they basically told me over the phone that "you can't do that, unless it's on exceptional grounds". I said, how about fraud, misleading information and the fact that we were not told that the "state" is the third party in the contract.

He said of course the State is the third party, you know that..

I said if I knew that, I would have had a Buddhist wedding.

He said "that wouldn't be a legal marriage"

So I said, but it's perfectly lawful isn't it.."

No comment.

So yes folks, you can be married perfectly lawfully outside the "state" control, but unfortunately that info came a bit late for us. Now we have to try and backtrack.

I might start with a letter that points out that we could not have been married in the "Commonwealth of Australia" as it is merely an artificial legal entity listed in the company search of the US SEC with it's Business Address listed as 1601 MASSACHUSETTS AVE WASHINGTON DC 20036 , and is not a landmass or physical location. (see here)

http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-ed...clude&count=40

Thankyou TA for awakening me from my slumber.

Straker

[Straker]

This is the Sovereign Birth doc template that I got from Thomas. We've had it accepted by two government departments so far.

Straker

[thunder24]

[message from king anthony in brief]

A member/poster in another forum (which I do not belong to) asked if they could post previous comments between us; I offered that they may "cut & paste" the below and I thank them in advance for doing so. This version is for PA, as most of the members at this other forum are from here.

Before I begin, I would like to say I am not going to get involved in drama discussion here; meaning, this message from me will be final. In opening, I am not familiar with the topic of discussion in a thread regarding Kerry and C2C in this other forum.

The topic I wish to address, if I may, is the matter of Rob a.k.a. Lord Sidious. In order to understand this topic, the entire of my video titled "Be Wary Of Alternative Forums And False Prophets Of Freedom" should be watched on YouTube; a member here in PA had posted it in this thread.

The other day, a member in this other forum told me about another member in this forum posting the said video - I did not even know this other forum existed until then. I told this person to thank this other member for sharing my efforts in this other forum.

It appears that Rob and other members there are of the opinion that I slandered/backstabbed Rob. At no time did I slander/backstab Rob (or anyone) in the said video. All I stated were the facts of my interaction with Rob during the time we were in touch. He could have rejected it, not that it would change the facts; however, he did not - for he knows I spoke the truth.

Subsequently, Rob left this other forum and apparently (based on comments in the thread) took other members with him. On a side note, I have stated facts and observations of other people and groups I mention in the said video with no ill intent.

As for what he "speaks on", he and others who speak on the currently accepted freedom movements are more then welcome to talk to me about anything I have stated in the said video; these people have been and always will be welcome - to date, not one of these people have despite my attempting to contact them... I wait.

Note, that Rob is not the only person or group I mention in this video (or other videos I have produced). Of course, people here know this, for my videos have been watched in full and my words read in full by the people here (or there), correct? - if not, then not my problem. Perhaps I should be clever as some other people and feed the feel-good of others to gain popularity.

I addressed Rob in my video because he, and people like him, are doing harm to themselves, others who wish to be or are "free" (including me) and everyone overall. These people who speak "common law" nonsense are playing with peoples lives - this is not a game.

Rather then challenge the words I have spoken, people have once again attacked the messenger. What wrong have I stated for anyone to be "off set" by the words I have spoken!? Shame on you for believing this.

Be angry with yourselves, for you have allowed emotions to lead you and not understood what I have presented. I have never once implied, stated or wanted anyone to follow the words I give and have many times wished many people well who wanted to.

I have offered aid to others in understanding facts/truths and distinguishing them from fictions (such as, opinions, theories, beliefs and such). People can disagree on "fictions" (as stated above); however, facts/truths can not be disagreed on - ever, unless one lies to themselves.

I have offered aid in the "how to" in research skills, while highlighting the mental skills needed, such as critical thinking and common sense. I have also shared firsthand experiences on various topics; as well as, my life to the "now" and will continue to do so as long as I can.

I have never offered to be a leader of anything; nor have I stated or implied anyone to believe a word I say - I have always said, seek "this or that" out for yourselves. I have never wanted to be famous from this, nor have I wanted any monetary gain for what I do - as I offer words for free.

The reason people do not engage my me or the words I speak is because I do not feed other's feel-good and I am not interested in debating facts/truths; and not my facts/truths either - thus my observations of forums, which is also presented in the said video.

The title of this other forum speaks one thing; yet, by observation, demonstrates the opposite. When are you people going to really "wakeup", for time is growing shorter. I wish you all well - cheers!!!

As I had stated above, I post this here as most of the members in this other forum are from here (by invite only) and I wish to set the record straight so there are no ill feelings from anyone (here or there) - as I do not have any against others. These are my final words here on this topic.

king anthony

p.s. I had asked thunder24 to post this for me here and he agreed to, so no one attack this messaenger - thank you thunder24.

[Anchor]

I like this topic

Here is a great post on the subject from Robert Menard https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ll=1#post54895

My own take on this, is in the episode of the Nexus radio show, which I was also on, and that was referred to by Jorr earlier in this thread.

The archive is available for download here, but I don't know if you need to be a member or not to download it.

In my opinion, there is no use being free of the "system" unless you are ready to take absolute responsibility, for everything you do and be ready to separate yourself from all the cushy support structures that the system uses to keep you locked in it.

My view is that this is very hard to do on your own, and you are better off attempting this in a community of kindred spirits - as such provides exponentially more power than one alone can muster.

[9eagle9]

You can use the system , understanding it is a system that you can master, you can use the system against itself, or you can transcend the system or you can do all of the above.

Even those who claim they are out of they system are a victim to it.

Those who use the system make it the victim, those who use the system against itself reveal it as a system, those transcend the system assign the system as meaningless. The ability to do all of the above is a means of freedom, you can move in and out of the system depending on what outcome you desire.

If one is mastering/using/ transcending the system it is reflected in one's own life in some fashion.

Providing 'evidence' that Person A is doing the exact same thing as Person B is doing is no evidence at all.

It is not enough to talk about Freeman/ Freewoman, this talk HAS TO BE REFLECTED IN YOUR LIFE IN SOME FASHION.

[Lost N Found]

This is a very good thread for all to at least view and do some of our/your own research into. I posted a web site earlier and inadvertantly gave the wrong link to folks. Here is the proper link for all to research, www.freedomforallseasons.org This site has tons of stuff to puruse.

Anchor in the above comment is right in saying what has been said. Doing what is needed to extracate one's self from the matrix is a very hard and long road indeed. There are very few that I know of that have managed to do this. For the most part we can only do small things to achieve our goals. The whole idea of setting ones self free is mostly a change in our minds. Common sense and responsibility will always play the major role.

Thank you all, Straker and others have given some very good links and other folks to research. This idea of being a freeman/freewomen has been around forever. Use discernment in all things.

Steven

[thunder24]

Do any members here have any documents of court cases, or anything that could be posted, where The Avalon member was successful in court, argueing sovereignty?

any one with documented proof? If thats not to much to ask

peace

[Anchor]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It is not enough to talk about Freeman/ Freewoman, this talk HAS TO BE REFLECTED IN YOUR LIFE IN SOME FASHION.

Exactly.

Personally, I don't seek to be outside the system because I have a need to be a part of the system if I expect to be of any influence in effecting change on that system. However, that system does work to what are basically equitable rules under the covers. Rules which have been usurped and made, through trickery, one sided and consequently very unfair in the effect they have on the proles and the power they give the elite.

This must change.

So the more people learn about the return to a more "natural" justice and a system that is fair - even if it is initially for some one pointed goal of "freedom" is in my books a good thing.

Ultimately we are all as free as we want to be, provided we identify the barriers to that freedom and take advantages of the remedies that are there, are available now, and are being exposed in threads like this and all over the internet.

Don't expect fast results - take it step by step. Understand and ask questions to seek that understanding.

Don't expect this to be some kind of get out of jail card that enables you to act without consequence in ways that are harmful to others.

Do expect this to be the basis for the time I see approaching, in which we are all comfortable with having total responsibility for all we do, and we are all at harmony with ourselves and our other-selves and where we are unafraid of any attempts by those that are on the wane, to regain control.

[Straker]

Posted by thunder24 (here)
Do any members here have any documents of court cases, or anything that could be posted, where The Avalon member was successful in court, argueing sovereignty?

any one with documented proof? If thats not to much to ask

peace

Hi Thunder,

Several, I will dig them out and post them. The idea however is not to go to court, as that is their world. Filing the right documents before the case is heard by using the registrar has worked for me in quite a few cases including E-Court.

Also depends on the registrar, as I've had one tear up my document and throw it in the bin, saying "you can't do that", so I went back home, printed it out again, took it into a higher court and it was accepted fine, and the case never got heard.

I've also been very successful against lawyers and debt collectors, again I'll dig out the documents from the files and scan them.

Straker

[Straker]

Okay, here is one example to start with. Sanitized for the privacy of all parties involved.

I was being harassed by a large commercial Lawyer, trying to claim that I owed $73,000 to a car dealer. I hand delivered this letter to the owner of the Law Firm, after being harassed by their lawyers for weeks, and never heard from them again. I told him face to face that I had five letters already from his company, being factual assertions without any proof of claim, which is written libel. Each instance carries a fine of $250k.

That was back in 2006.

Straker

[Straker]

This is the E-Court one I lodged at the Main Registrar on behalf of a friend who had a $7000+ debt, (along with a $45,000 debt which I also settled for him in the private, by asking the questions I got from Thomas Anderson first two books CLASSIFIED and EYES ONLY).

The E-Court case never happened, as there was no entry into the controversy. Again, that was back in 2006, and my friend never heard from them again.

Straker

[9eagle9]

What you just said, 'the case was never heard'.

They don't want those cases heard. The herd might hear them.

Could you describe the process that you used to take it to a higher court. What court did the the registrar refuse it versus what court accepted it but wouldn't hear it.

Posted by Straker (here)

Posted by thunder24 (here)
Do any members here have any documents of court cases, or anything that could be posted, where The Avalon member was successful in court, argueing sovereignty?

any one with documented proof? If thats not to much to ask

peace

Hi Thunder,

Several, I will dig them out and post them. The idea however is not to go to court, as that is their world. Filing the right documents before the case is heard by using the registrar has worked for me in quite a few cases including E-Court.

Also depends on the registrar, as I've had one tear up my document and throw it in the bin, saying "you can't do that", so I went back home, printed it out again, took it into a higher court and it was accepted fine, and the case never got heard.

I've also been very successful against lawyers and debt collectors, again I'll dig out the documents from the files and scan them.

Straker

[thunder24]

Posted by Straker (here)

Posted by thunder24 (here)
Do any members here have any documents of court cases, or anything that could be posted, where The Avalon member was successful in court, argueing sovereignty?

any one with documented proof? If thats not to much to ask

peace

Hi Thunder,

Several, I will dig them out and post them. The idea however is not to go to court, as that is their world. Filing the right documents before the case is heard by using the registrar has worked for me in quite a few cases including E-Court.

Also depends on the registrar, as I've had one tear up my document and throw it in the bin, saying "you can't do that", so I went back home, printed it out again, took it into a higher court and it was accepted fine, and the case never got heard.

I've also been very successful against lawyers and debt collectors, again I'll dig out the documents from the files and scan them.

Straker

Can u explain how the two documents provided is proof of ur success? Seems to me u just gave us two documents you claim to of written. or typed or whatever. I asked for court documents showing success.

So anyone else with PROOF of success?

[Straker]

Sorry...I don't go to court, because for one, I don't get myself into trouble, and two, I prefer to stay out of court and deal with things from the private side, after all only a defendant (legal entity) goes into court these days.

Yes, these are documents that I have written and typed, and in both instances worked perfectly, so I'm not why you're on the defensive. I'm not asking anyone to use them, nor am I recommending that anyone use them, I was just responding to your request for court related documents.

Straker

[thunder24]

Posted by Straker (here)
Sorry...I don't go to court, because for one, I don't get myself into trouble, and two, I prefer to stay out of court and deal with things from the private side, after all only a defendant (legal entity) goes into court these days.

Yes, these are documents that I have written and typed, and in both instances worked perfectly, so I'm not why you're on the defensive. I'm not asking anyone to use them, nor am I recommending that anyone use them, I was just responding to your request for court related documents.

Straker

Straker, how was I defensive? All I did was reiterate my original words. I was clear with the words I used, because that is what i meant. Thanks for shareing what u did, though.

[Straker]

Hi 9eagle9,

The registrar that wouldn't accept it was probably a one-off case of someone's own perception of things, as another registrar at the same place (which was a district court) might have had no problem with it. To save any hassles, I took it up personally to the main courthouse in the city, and they had no problem with it at all. They even made me a photocopy for my records once it had been stamped and accepted.

That was for an E-Court thing, but I did exactly the same process for my own problem and the case never showed up on the day. I actually dropped by the court that morning incognito to check if it was still listed, and it was not on the board, so I asked the registrar, and there was no record of if, so he suggested asking the sheriff, which I did, and he had nothing either...so I went home, faxed them a notice of appearance for the time it was supposed to have been called, and never heard another thing.

Straker

[9eagle9]

You don't get a whole lot of evidence, just your court papers and the ruling. Your only evidence is that you got what you wanted.

Straker didn't have anything 'heard' so there was no order from the bench to provide evidence. Every hearing typically results in a order being passed from the bench.

The point is for the individual to succeed. The judicial system doesn't want this to be public knowledge so they just dismiss in order not to have the case heard from which a order will be issued. At least here in America.

One has to try this for themselves.

Last week the judge didn't send me home with a written declaration that said ' you whipped the plaintiff's ass and mopped the floor with his lawyer', by that time in the proceedings the hearing was interrupted to go to judges chambers for mediation--out of the public eye. Lawyers don't like having their dirty work exposed especially by a defendant that is not represented by another lawyer. That on its own sets a precedence.

The point is, I, the individual came away with what I wanted. That's the evidence. Everything got dismissed. I the defendant requested an order be issued and the judge granted my request but the order doesn't provide evidence of anything other than i got something I wanted from the court.

As long as they want this system to remain covert the bench is not going issue a order, which is public record, stating that a person has been heard as 'freeman'.

The only way the freeman mode of going , is going to work is the advantage of individuals. Those willing to 'try' it in a court of law.

Those sorts of thing are meant to be hidden from the public. There will be no order which risks setting a precedence issued as evidence. You can only provide the evidences such a motions, and notices to appear, or responses to summons. After the bench dismisses the matter it disappears. There is not another document issued .

Now think about this, do judges issue public record when a case is dismissed? They make a public declaration from the bench here, which is either recorded or not depending on the state. Is there written notification? A judge probably will not make public something the law doesn't want 'heard' in the first place.

Every court has a papertrail in the system. They don't want 'freemen' leaving a papertrail in their system.

[thunder24]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
You don't get a whole lot of evidence, just your court papers and the ruling. Your only evidence is that you got what you wanted....

Are the court papers from within the court room and stamped...or do u mean papers like straker is talking about, from not actually in the court room? Does the stenographer record the ruling? If so, anyone have copies of that, or is that what u meant by they don't want "'freeman' leaving papertrail in system"?

[9eagle9]

Documents issued from the court or the bench have a date and a signature.

Motions and pracepices would have date stamps on them by the clerk receiving the motion. I am assuming the motion or whatever got Strackers case rolling was filed by the other party. Or perhaps it was a complaint, I don't know, maybe Stracker would like to lay out the entire process step by step of what occurred.

It depends on the state if a hearing is recorded. Some states the parties are required to provide their own recorder. You then have to petition for a copy of the transcripts. The transcripts would have the time and the date of the hearing. No hearing, no transcripts.

Stracker documents don't look like they made it to hearing stage. If those were documents transacted on line, then the email or electronic signature would serve as a time date stamp , the time and date the e-court received them. A hearing would have resulted from a response (order) from the judge. Stracker said he never heard from them again....so what would he have. Nothing, ' heard nothing from them again' means just that.

this has happened to me in debt collection even before it hit the judicial part of it. I responded to a laywer noting discharging my debt, never heard from them again.

Some documentation would have been generated from that. No hearing , no documentation, and not the sort of evidence you are seeking. Stracker doesn't have to prove anything, the fact he got what he wanted is evidence enough. He can correct me if I'm wrong.

If I was going to guess I'd say nothing was ever heard from again because the judge didn't want to risk public records that establish precedences.