Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[MorningSong]

Looks like Dutch to me... it ain't German. Is Waterman in Holland? and, yeap, just music for now.

What time is the show for us in Europe? I know that EST is 6h behind me, but CA/ west coast? Never had to learn that and never tried to.

[Beth]

Posted by MorningSong (here)
Looks like Dutch to me... it ain't German. Is Waterman in Holland? and, yeap, just music for now.

What time is the show for us in Europe? I know that EST is 6h behind me, but CA/ west coast? Never had to learn that and never tried to.

Add 3 more hours for PST.

[MorningSong]

Thanks yaya...so it should start in about 17 minutes!

[pimpom]

Posted by Operator (here)
(I hope this doesn't light a fire) ... I have a sincere question: if Pluto was big enough for them to be put on the tablet then why are Ceres and Eris (UB313) not shown too ?

And another pops up: If there is a brown dwarf near Jupiter ... where is it on the tablet ?

Well, Pluto is more then double Ceres size, but Eris is larger then both though futher away.
But I don't think it's Pluto on the map (as Pluto and Eris belongs to distant group called Kuiper belt), its more likely to be Ceres (Although Ceres would be the 5th planet, directly after Mars in that case) or Neptunus young moon Triton.

The more important fact is that they pointed out the sun as a star, and placed it in the middle (we manage to do this a hundred years ago, they did it 4000-5500 B.C) and the shape of all planets - as we thought it was flat untill 330 B.C

(Wikipedia: Aristotle accepted the spherical shape of the earth on empirical grounds around 330 BC - the false belief that medieval Christianity believed in a flat earth has been referred to as The Myth of the Flat Earth. In 1945, it was listed by the Historical Association (of Britain) as the second of 20 in a pamphlet on common errors in history.)

[Beth]

Posted by MorningSong (here)
Thanks yaya...so it should start in about 17 minutes!

You're quite welcome!

[MorningSong]

It was a very good interview. Marshall did well with the questions and said some profound and, even, inspiring things.

I wish that Kerry had asked him what he was doing to prepare like Yiolas had suggested...

I learned a lot tonight about Mr. Marshall that I did not know. I might just have to check out some of his other books.

[yiolas]

Hi everyone, i enjoyed the interview as well. Eventhough I have been following Marshall for a while now, I learned some new things as well.

It was a littel shocking to hear him say 'all of the above' to the question about physical pole shift, magnatic poles shift or planet x.

I too wished that he would have said something about his personal preparations and plans, but he did say that we should near a running stream, soft earth and rolling hills. Any way we don't need Marshall to tell us that we should be honing our off the grid and homesteading skills.
We should also be thinking of ways to protect ourselves from solar radiation and emp's .

[Eric J (Viking)]

Couldn't find a link to the interview!! Anyone?

viking

[yiolas]

Here you go:

http://www.argusoogradio.org/nl/2010...-30-juli-2010/

[freespirit]

Posted by viking (here)
Couldn't find a link to the interview!! Anyone?

viking

http://www.argusoogradio.org/en/2010...-30-juli-2010/

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thanks Yiolas/Freespirit ...

I'm gonna have a good listen...

viking

[onawah]

I had put Planet X speculation aside a couple of years ago. But when I heard recently that one of the Mayan prophecies is the appearance of "the red sun", I got interested again! It came up in one of Drunvalo's recent videos, probably The Maya of Eternal Time, and Drunvalo said Don Alejandro would not speak of it any more at that time, but said it would be discussed more when the time came.
If the brown dwarf turns out to appear red in our sky, that would most certainly have to be the "red sun", I would think.
Those Mayan and Hopi prophecies have turned out to be too eerily accurate to discount!

[Eric J (Viking)]

Mmmm!!

Nemesis Update 8/2/10 - Confirmation from Spanish Astronomers

https://youtube.com/user/jcattera

viking

[onawah]

Here's a link for that story if you have trouble with the youtube video
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1...d-dwarf-star-6

[onawah]

Now I have a new nominee for the person to be interviewed next by Kerry or Bill. Colleen Tomas, the astronomer who has apparently figured out new evidence supporting the Russian's theory that the brown dwarf G1.9 is approaching our Sun and causing the changes in our solar system.
And/ or possibly Jim MacCanney, who had pretty much figured out quite some time ago what was happening with Planet X and G1.9, apparently, and has been working with the Russian scientists for a long time.

[onawah]

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age1023724/pg1
about 3/4 of the way down on the above page is a discussion about when the brown dwarf might get closest to earth. This subject is also being discussed on the thread "Scientific Evidence for What's Coming"
A comprehensive article here:
http://nwolibrary.com/news/space/618-dwarf-sun
According to the article, there may not be anymore conclusive evidence about the validity of the new discoveries until February of this year, when a study being conducted by a team of scientists should be completed/
BTW, Colleen Thomas also has some interesting things to say about how the spirals being seen around the world are formed, such as the famous blue spiral over Norway.

[bashi]

Posted by onawah (here)
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age1023724/pg1
about 3/4 of the way down on the above page is a discussion about when the brown dwarf might get closest to earth. This subject is also being discussed on the thread "Scientific Evidence for What's Coming"
A comprehensive article here:
http://nwolibrary.com/news/space/618-dwarf-sun
According to the article, there may not be anymore conclusive evidence about the validity of the new discoveries until February of this year, when a study being conducted by a team of scientists should be completed/
BTW, Colleen Thomas also has some interesting things to say about how the spirals being seen around the world are formed, such as the famous blue spiral over Norway.

That is not correct. The "Scientific .." thread was not discussing a brown dwarf or Nibiru. It is about a ribbon, CMEs and NASA. nothing else.

i am not going to discuss Colleen Tomas here, or his "Personal theory of phonons, which is based on physics". also not why "NASA scientists have never heard of phonons and they foolishly believe this dwarf star is a supernova"
Already this approach disqualifies itself.

[onawah]

Posted by bashi (here)
That is not correct. The "Scientific .." thread was not discussing a brown dwarf or Nibiru. It is about a ribbon, CMEs and NASA. nothing else.

i am not going to discuss Colleen Tomas here, or his "Personal theory of phonons, which is based on physics". also not why "NASA scientists have never heard of phonons and they foolishly believe this dwarf star is a supernova"
Already this approach disqualifies itself.

I believe Colleen Tomas is a woman.
I have copied some of the discussion from the godlikeproductions link about G1.9, though not all, and you can clearly see it IS about the brown dwarf, and though it is dated, it is very relevant to the new information, whether the latter is correct or not.
"1996

Q: (T) Okay, what is the twin sun theory?
A: Theory that the sun is really a double star.


Q: (L) Well, if it is a double star, how come we don't see the other one? Where is the other one and why don't we see it? (T) I don't think I have ever heard of that, have you? (F) It seems vaguely familiar for some reason. (L) Is this factual, correct?
A: Wait a moment...


Q: (T) They are bringing in their twin sun expert... (L) No doubt! [planchette spins numerous times.]
A: Now, where were we?


Q: (L) We were talking about the twin sun phenomenon...
A: Theory.


Q: (T) Which is that Sol is one part of a twin system?
A: Yes.


Q: (L) Is this theory correct?
A: Not yet, you are "jumping the gun."


Q: (T) Okay. You brought this up. You indicated that, yes, our sun is one part of a dual system...
A: Yes...


Q: (T) ...and that there is another star, another sun here...
A: Yes...


Q: (L) Can we see it? (T) Can we see it at this point in time?
A: Can you?


Q: (L) No. Not that I am aware of. Is the reason we cannot see it because it is always on the other side of the sun from us? That it orbits in such a way that we can never see it?
A: Orbits, yes, assuming it is there, however, we did not confirm that, now did we?


Q: (T) Is Sol two stars combined?
A: No. What is "dark" matter, and what are dark stars?


Q: (L) Are dark stars something like black holes?
A: No.


Q: (T) Dark matter, that I have read about, is what the astronomical community calls all the loose stuff floating around out in the cosmos that must exist because of the equations, but they can't see it.
A: Yes.


Q: (T) Would dark stars be part of this?
A: Yes.


Q: (T) So there is dark matter and dark stars?
A: Yes.


Q: (T) The dark matter they cannot see because it is dark.
A: Yes. How about "Brown stars?"


Q: (T) Okay, Brown stars I have heard of. There is yellow, red, blue, green... Okay, our star burns as a yellow star because of the matter it is composed of - hydrogen, etc.
A: Close.


Q: (T) Other stars burn different colors in the visible spectrum because of the make-up of the star...
A: Yes, but not "brown" ones. How easy is it to see brown against a black background?


Q: (T) Not easy at all! That is why they can't see the dark matter...
A: That is why scientists dubbed it "brown."


Q: (L) How does brown star connect to twin sun theory?
A: Guess!


Q: (T) Okay. Let's talk about this. For some reason we have to work through this to maintain free will. (L) Is this star small enough that it is orbiting with the planets?
A: No, we are leading you to something, if you will be patient.


Q: (L) Okay, lead on... we want to know about this. (T) They just asked if we understood what a brown star was.
A: Do you?


Q: (L) What is the significance of the brown star?
A: Dark star.


Q: (L) It is a dark star... okay...
A: If it is there.


Q: (L) Well, will you put me out of my misery and tell me? (T) Wait, a dark star is dark because it doesn't give off light. It is still a star, and acts like a star...
A: Yes. And if it has an elliptical orbit... would it, maybe, like, "come and go?"


Q: (T) What science, astronomy, has described as double stars, are two stars that are close together with some sort of interactive orbit. But that is not necessarily the only way two stars can exist.
A: Close. As you perceive from your vantage point. But how would you like to embark on a bicycle trip between them?


Q: (L) So the ones that we are aware of and see can be so far apart that there can be a lot between... (T) So our astronomers have not recognized this possibility?
A: Yes they have.


Q: (T) They know, but don't talk about it. So, we may have, in this theory, a dark star orbiting...
A: And what would happen if you did?


Q: (L) Well...
A: And it, like, comes and goes?


Q: (T) Like every 3600 years?
A: Maybe.


Q: (T) And maybe this dark star also has some planets orbiting it?
A: Ok, change of direction: Oort cloud and comet cluster and sun twin occasionally passing through the former like a bowling ball through pins.


Q: (L) How does the dark star passing through the Oort cloud relate to the comet cluster?
A: Cause and effect.


Q: (L) So, the comet cluster is caused by the dark star smashing through the Oort cloud? (T) Well, not necessarily smashing, but passing close enough for its gravity to change things... (L) But they said "like a bowling ball through pins." (T) The gravity of that star would cause the comets to be flung in all directions. (J) Is the earth like a pin? A bowling pin? (L) No, that's the Oort Cloud.
A: Now, think of how your Biblical prophecies speak of a very terrifying period, followed by an apparent renewal of normalcy, followed by the "End."


Q: (T) We learned about a "comet cluster" very early on. Now you are going beyond that and giving us a reason as to why this comet cluster...
A: Laura, please clarify exactly what the prophecies say.


Q: (L) Well, in the prophecies it is said: "If those days were not shortened, would no flesh be saved. But, for the elects' sake, will those days be shortened." Now, can you tell me what this means?
A: Not yet.


Q: (T) Where are we? We have a dark star flinging comets like bowling pins...
A: Your Biblical prophecies speak of a period of terror and chaos followed by calm, and then, unexpectedly, amidst seeming overwhelming peace and renewal and prosperity, the end. What would happen if the brown star that is the sun's twin were to get close enough to be illuminated by the sun?


Q: (T) Well, if it were close enough to be illuminated, the obvious result is that it would be SEEN. People would panic...
A: Yes.


Q: (T) Governments would fall...
A: And terror and chaos. And when it departs again?


Q: (L) Everything will seem to be fine! But, they won't realize that the Oort cloud has been hit! Oh, sugar!
A: And then what?


Q: (L) It is not the Oort cloud or the comets that is going to cause all this terror and carrying on, it is going to be the seeing of the illuminated brown star, which will go away, and then no one will see what is coming! And this IS talked about in both the Bible and Nostradamus - but it was incomprehensible before! Okay, how long will it take the comets to get from the Oort cloud to here?
A: Let us just say that the cluster travels much faster than the usual cometary itinerary.


Q: (T) And this is because they are traveling in the wake of a large sun sized gravity well...
A: And we have spoken of the comet cluster before, and we have told you that this time, it rides the Wave.


Q: (L) Is the wave the energy from this brown star?
A: No.


Q: (L) The Wave is the Wave. (T) So, the dark star is going to come through the Oort cloud, and it doesn't have to get too close. Any star that gets that close is TOO close. (L) Are they being "kicked" and then they get on the wave that is already on the move?
A: Yes. This time. You have had the comet cluster before in antiquity, but the wave was last here aeons ago.


Q: (L) Is this wave a gravity wave?
A: Interrelated.


Q: (L) Okay, now... (T) Well, the wave is a form of energy. (L) Yes, they once told us that it was "hyper-kinetic sensate."
A: Realm border, this is your quantum factor, Laura, so plug it into "Noah" accordingly, and check out the results.


Q: (L) Does this brown or dark star have planetary bodies of its own, other than sharing planets with Sol?
A: No.


Q: (T) Okay. No correlation to Sitchin and his "planet Nibiru." (L) If the wave is the quantum factor for the transition of the Solar System, what is the factor for the transition of an atom?
A: Electrons emit what?


Q: (L) Photons... (T) An electrical charge of some kind. (L) I thought that an electron didn't have any parts... that it is an elementary particle...
A: Right...


Q: (L) What the heck does an electron emit? Is gravity emitted by an electron?
A: Yes.


Q: (L) What...
A: Electromagnetically.


Q: (L) What is it that causes a quantum transition? A collecting and dispersing of gravity. What is it about an atom that causes it to collect or disperse?
A: How does the electron fit into the equation of the "atom?"


Q: (L) Well, it orbits the nucleus... (T) Planets orbit the Sun. (L) The energy that an electron collects, or any other part of an atom collects, that causes a quantum transition, comes to it from outside of it? A wave?
A: How many electrons orbit the nucleus?


Q: (L) It depends on the atom. The number of electrons determine what an atom is an atom of... the number of particles it has orbiting...
A: Yes.


Q: (T) And they orbit in specific shells...
A: Yes... And how does the sun relate to this macro-dynamically?


Q: (L) Okay, something from the nucleus of the atom acts upon the electrons to cause a transition?
A: How many electrons orbit the nucleus?


Q: (L) Of the sun? Are you asking how many electrons orbit the nucleus of the Sun? Different atoms have different numbers...
A: Of any atom?


Q: (L) Okay, it varies.
A: From what to what?


Q: (L) From one to somewhere in the nineties or hundreds...
A: And what determines the number?


Q: (T) Well, what determines the number?
A: Is it the composition of the nucleus?


Q: (L) Yeah. That's right. We forgot. What causes or determines the number of protons or whatever in the nucleus?
A: What composition would cause the orbiting of one electron?


Q: (L) One proton?
A: Now, think macro-dynamically.


Q: (L) Well, you once said that the sun is a window, or transition point to another density. Are you saying that the nucleus of an atom is also a window?
A: What we are saying is the sun is a proton and its twin is an electron!


Q: (L) Well, I am still trying to get at... the wave causes transitions in the macro-cosmic atom, what causes the microcosmic atom... what causes a quantum jump? What accumulates in an atom that causes it to transition?
A: Completion of Grand Cycle.


Q: (J) It just is. (L) No, no...
A: And who says that the Sun's twin appears every 3600 years?


Q: (L) Okay, we have the 3600 year comet cluster cycle, the Sun twin is another cycle altogether, and then we have the wave, which is a Grand Cycle. So, we have three things causing a transition in nature?
A: Like "biorhythms."


Q: (T) And we have a triple bad day coming up! Or a good day, depending on which way you look at it.
A: Bad day if you are John C. Rockefeller, good day if you are Mahatma Gandhi.


Q: (L) So, does something like a three cycle event also occur in sub-atomic transitions, like the biorhythm?
A: Yes.


Q: (L) So, there are three factors to be considered... or more than three?
A: Either, or.


Q: (L) Can it be a random, arbitrary number of events?
A: If you wish.


Q: (L) Is it partly the observer that adds one of the factors? Consciousness?
A: Yes.


Q: (T) So, we see three separate cycles coming together here...
A: Everything reflects macrodynamically and microdynamically. We suggest you absorb for now; and, fear not! For it is not imminent! Good Night.

Just recently we came back to the subject:



July 4, 1998

Q: (A) I am trying to write down some things about a cosmology, and I have some questions mainly about the coming events. First there was the story of the sun's companion brown star which is apparently approaching the solar system, and I would like to know, if possible, details of its orbit; that is, how far it is, what is its speed, and when it will be first seen. Can we know it? Orbit: how close will it come?
A: Flat eliptical.


Q: (A) But how close will it come?
A: Distance depends upon other factors, such as intersecting orbit of locator of witness.


Q: (L) What is the closest it could come to earth... (A) Solar system... (L) Yes, but which part of the solar system? We have nine planets... which one? (A) I understand that this brown star will enter the Oort cloud... (L) I think they said it just brushes against it and the gravity disturbs it...
A: Passes through Oort cloud on orbital journey. Already has done this on its way "in."


Q: (A) You mean it has already entered the Oort cloud?
A: Has passed through.


Q: (A) So, it will not approach...
A: Oort cloud is located on outer perimeter orbital plane at distance of approximately averaged distance of 510,000,000,000 miles.


Q: (L) Well, 510 billion miles gives us some time! (A) Yes, but what I want to know... this Oort cloud is around the solar system, so this brown star, once it has passed through... (L) It must already be in the solar system? (A) No, it could have passed through and may not come closer. Is it coming closer or not? Is it coming closer all the time?
A: Solar system, in concert with "mother star," is revolving around companion star, a "brown" star.


Q: (A) So, that means that the mass of the companion star is much...
A: Less.


Q: (A) Less?
A: They are moving in tandem with one another along a flat, eliptical orbital plane. Outer reaches of solar system are breached by passage of brown companion, thus explaining anomalies recently discovered regarding outer planets and their moons.


Q: (A) But I understand that the distance between the sun and this brown star is changing with time. Eliptical orbit means there is perihelion and aphelion. I want to know what will be, or what was, or what is the closest distance between this brown star and the sun? What is perihelion? Can we know this, even approximately. Is it about one light year, or less or more?
A: Less, much less. Distance of closest passage roughly corresponds to the distance of the orbit of Pluto from Sun.


Q: (A) Okay. Now, this closest pass, is this something that is going to happen?
A: Yes.


Q: (A) And it is going to happen within the next 6 to 18 years?
A: 0 to 14.


Q: (A) Okay, that's it. I have some idea about this. Now, I understand that, either by chance or by accident, two things are going to happen at essentially the same time. That is the passing of this brown star, and this comet cluster. These are two different things?
A: Yes. Different, but related.

Q: (L) Is there a comet cluster that was knocked into some kind of orbit of its own, that continues to orbit...
A: Yes.


Q: (L) And in addition to that comet cluster, there are also additional comets that are going to get whacked into the solar system by the passing of this brown star?
A: Yes.


Q: (A) I understand that the main disaster is going to come from this comet cluster...
A: Disasters involve cycles in the human experiential cycle which corresponds to the passage of comet cluster.


Q: (A) I understand that this comet cluster is cyclic and comes every 3600 years. I want to know something about the shape of this comet cluster. I can hardly imagine...
A: Shape is variable. Effect depends on closeness of passage.


Q: (L) So, it could be spread out... (A) We were asking at some point where it will be coming from. The answer was that we were supposed to look at a spirograph.
A: Yes.


Q: (A) Now, spirograph suggests that these comets will not come from one direction, but from many directions at once. Is this correct?
A: Very good!!!


Q: (A) Okay, they will come from many directions...
A: But, initial visibility presents as single, solid body.


Q: (A) Do we know what is the distance to this body at present?
A: Suggest you keep your eyes open!


Q: (A) I am keeping my eyes open.
A: Did you catch the significance of the answer regarding time table of cluster and brown star? Human cycle mirrors cycle of catastrophe. Earth benefits in form of periodic cleansing. Time to start paying attention to the signs. They are escalating. They can even be "felt" by you and others, if you pay attention.


Q: (L) We have certainly been paying attention to the signs!
A: How so?


Q: (L) Well, the weather is completely bizarre. The fires, the heat...
A: Yes.


Q: (L) I notice that the tides are awfully high all the time with no ostensible explanation...
A: And low, too.


Q: (L) Yes. I have noticed that particularly. (F) I have too. Not too long ago I noticed that the tides were so incredibly low for this time of year. (L) And also the signs in people - these kids killing their parents, all these people going berserk - you know...
A: Spike.


Q: (L) What do you mean spike?
A: On a graph...


Q: (L) Just spikes, not the biggie...
A: Spikes are big.


Q: (L) Well, from what you are saying about this - I mean how are we supposed to do all these things you say we are supposed to do? I mean, we won't have time!
A: Who says?


Q: (L) That is kind of what it is sounding like. Unless our lives and experiences escalate in concert with all these other events... (A) I have a last question which I have prepared. So, we have these two physical disasters or events, the coming brown star and the comet cluster, but we have been told that this time it is going to be different because this time it is accompanied by a plane convergence.
A: Yes. Magnetic field alteration."

The discussion continues, and begins about 3/4 of the way down the page, as I stated before.

[onawah]

I went back and read more on that page (it's very long, and very interesting) and most of it is a scientific discussion (much of it about the brown dwarf) but what I quoted in my last post was from Laura Knight Jadczyk, which seems a bit out of place on that page, but much of what she was channeling seemed to coincide with the scientific info, except she said there were no planets in orbit around the brown dwarf, which certainly contradicts the theories about Nibiru.
Bill Ryan cautioned about her info, much of which he says is accurate, but some is inaccurate.

[irishspirit]

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