*Divine Intervention*: ETs Defeating the Old World Order

[StarDust]

Posted by Rantaak (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
quite a few of us on this forum can see into 4D & even into 5D at times

4D not very pretty these days -- your controllers have it pretty well wrapped up

Do not confuse dimension with density. They are very different concepts. Dimension refers to an array of directions, such as a vector. A three dimensional vector is an array of three directional components. A four dimensional vector is an array of four components, and so forth. Density, on the other hand, refers to spectrum of scalar vibration.

To speak of the fourth dimension is to exhibit hubris (unless you are a salvia sorceror). To speak of the fourth density, given experience of such, is more honest. In my visitations to the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth densities everything seemed to be in grand order. I'm not sure what you saw or where you went to convince yourself otherwise, but since duality is only present in the density that our bodies occupy I would have to conclude that you were wrong in your perceptions.

Good day!

I concur. Within "The RA Material", density was chosen for the following reason: Density = density of consciousness - or density of vibration (B4, 28). Frequently used by Ra as an analog to what is currently thought of as “dimensions” in the Universe. The densities are organized into an eight-fold “octave” system, analogous to the musical octave and the visual light spectrum. Therefore the higher the density, the higher the level of consciousness.

[Mozart]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)

They will probably want to stay away from me because I will corner one of them and ask question after question for days on end... So much to learn from a species that doesn't eat their young...

LOL, me too. I'll bring duct tape with me and tape one down, then bugger her (hey, I want to interact with a hot little honey ET, ya know) with tons of questions, too!

I wish they would get the show on the road already... I am watching the sky's for that big ole VW Bus with flowers on it to come down and land...

Gotta love that imagery!

Some people believe all alien beings are blood sucking evil beings... universal law shows there has to be a balance, (God helps those who help themselves)... if we just sat back and let the "Good EDs/ETs" do the work what would we learn, how would we evolve or have a chance to cleanse ourselves Karma wise? I feel for those that have only met the evil ET/EDzzz...

Yes there is a balance between the two. For eons of time (the last 13,000 years, during the Kali Yuga, patriarchal phase) the balance of experiences has long been tilted towards the negative ETs and negative experiences, so it seems that there's been nothing but **** down here and that's partly because the levels of infiltration of the negative bastard ETs and EDs has been extremely extensive.


I read that this planet, our Gaia, has been a major stronghold of the negative ETs/EDs and that they've infiltrated this planet on multiple levels of realities and in multiple timelines. It's been a phenomenally complex undertaking that has surprised the positive ETs big-time about the level of complexity of this undertaking that they've chosen to do.

I just hope we do our job enough down here to garner the support of the Good ones... if we want to live like this then free will wins... if we want to fight it and get out of slavery... then free will wins...

We HAVE done our job enough justify the level of involvement and intervention by the ETs on our behalf. Enough of us have awaken. The requisite 100th monkey effect has taken.


But like you say, Corey, I just cannot wait for the show to hit the damn road and for us to finally IN A MAJOR, PUBLIC WAY take back our freedoms and to fully phase out the dominance of the patriarchal era that is now winding down.


My ex GF, who is an astrologer, has verbally told me that the coming (May 20th) solar eclipse -- it's going to 100% at my place where I live! -- is going to be a major tipping point that would coincide with the other tipping point of the June 5th celestial event that, together, would spell the final end of the patriarchial era and the wide-open flinging of the opening of the door to the Goddess energy to finally balance out our world at last with the rebirth of the Divine feminine energy finally making a strong public push for real change to happen on the mass level.


Many, many of you wonderful Goddesses have already been making the requisite Goddess changes in your own lives, so now it's time for many of you to step up and teach the masses what you now know about Goddess energies. I'm SO grateful for our Goddesses who are here amongst us to bring for that badly-needed feminine balance of energy.


It's about time.


~Mozart

[Mozart]

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)

You said end of 2012- 2013, didnt you? Well..............

jorr lundstrom ~


No, I am not the source of that time window -- it's the Ra Material that is the source of that time window of Dec, 2011 to Dec, 2013.


So if the ascension does not happen at Dec of 2012, we still have another year to wait until it would happen.


If that scenario happens (nothing happening in Dec 2012) can you imagine the howling in the world of people laughing their asses off at the ascensionists? Oh, man, it's going to be bad, very bad.


But I've been studying the Ra Material intensively and Ra says several times "as the clock strikes the hour" of a "discrete placement of vibratory level" of movement over a boundary that is in the Dec, 2011 to Dec, 2013 time frame.


And the Ra Material says that, regardless of our progress, that clock would strike the hour. The Law of One has been studied by those Black Op guys for 30 years and they've YET to find a single error in it, so I have a lot of confidence in the perspicacity of it.


~Mozart

[transiten]

Aha Mozart, your ex GF is an astrologer! I'm also doing astrology and an interesting coincidence is that on June 6 Venus is doing the return back over the surface of our Sun=The Venuspassage. First one was June 8 2004 and i observed it here in Gothenburg. The Mayans were avid followers of the cycles of Venus and btw the Venuspassages that happen approx. every second century pple will rise against their oppressors and communication will speed up!

We both posted at 3.50

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Space_Ace (here)
I have read that Salusa is disinfo. Obama is not a good guy and there's a mountain of evidence proving it. Channels are not and have never been evidence nor fact.

"The US Government will still have Barack Obama amongst those retained, because as we have stressed many times, he is a great soul of the Light. He is already taking actions that will aid our allies, in bringing the cabal to answer for their crimes."

Which Drake contradicts here: http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2012/...e-5-09-12.html

SpaceAce...
Perhaps the idea is to see each source, ie Drake, Nesara, Salusa, Wilcock, etc - as just partial messengers - yin and yang - they should not be ignored, but perhaps they shouldn't be believed 100 % either - there is always truth mixed with lies (or unintentional UN-truths) & vice versa - it depends on the ratio LOL. Now here's the trick:

Red Pill or Blue Pill? (That's only two possible choices of what could be an infinite number). Depending on the knowledge we have gathered, we form a "belief". This now throws a different perspective on the old addage, "Seeing is Believing" versus the possibilty of "Believing is "seeing" which opens up infinite possibilities of the same ONE event (it's HUGE).

Take it all with a grain of salt and modify as time and events unfold.

NESARA for example, also stated that Bush Senior & Bill Gates were placed under House Arrest back in March 2012, and only a few days ago (your attached link above), announced it was "rumored" that the Bushes, Clintons & other big names were also just placed under house arrest (and a whole lot more). I'm not suggesting its true or false. Black and white answers. There is a lot more "grey area" in there. I just simply haven't seen that verified or corroborated elsewhere... yet.

[Mozart]

Posted by transiten (here)

We both posted at 3.50

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Transiten 'n I go way back to the early days of the old Yahoo-based discussion board when David Wilcock's site was the old Ascension2000 site.

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Mozart (here)

Posted by transiten (here)

We both posted at 3.50

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Transiten 'n I go way back to the early days of the old Yahoo-based discussion board when David Wilcock's site was the old Ascension2000 site.

LOL that's the paradox of "making a prediction" - (a "sensing" of the energy or vibration flow at the time of the prediction, projected forward into a possible future). And the second you make that prediction, it will change simply because you are still, in that sense, making a future prediction in the "NOW".

[StarDust]

Posted by Mozart (here)

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)

You said end of 2012- 2013, didnt you? Well..............

jorr lundstrom ~


No, I am not the source of that time window -- it's the Ra Material that is the source of that time window of Dec, 2011 to Dec, 2013.


So if the ascension does not happen at Dec of 2012, we still have another year to wait until it would happen.


If that scenario happens (nothing happening in Dec 2012) can you imagine the howling in the world of people laughing their asses off at the ascensionists? Oh, man, it's going to be bad, very bad.


But I've been studying the Ra Material intensively and Ra says several times "as the clock strikes the hour" of a "discrete placement of vibratory level" of movement over a boundary that is in the Dec, 2011 to Dec, 2013 time frame.


And the Ra Material says that, regardless of our progress, that clock would strike the hour. The Law of One has been studied by those Black Op guys for 30 years and they've YET to find a single error in it, so I have a lot of confidence in the perspicacity of it.


~Mozart

Mozart,

There is one nuance that has come into being since "The RA Material" was channeled back in the early '80s. It was never discussed that an entire planet (Gaia or any other) would contemplate/engage in a mass expansion of consciousness.

However, I would like to digress for a moment and discuss a minor point. I would like to draw one other distinction. Like Density vs Dimension, the term "ascension" widely used incorrectly.

As per Dreams-In-Digital (Sunfire), she postulated the following argument; to which I concur.


[W]hat is coming is NOT Ascension….Any, consciousness/awareness expansion will cause an increase in vibration frequency. What happens when we increase our vibration frequency? We go UP to a higher density/dimension. No, it’s not Ascension or Rapture..that’s different, that’s an “end”. Nothing is ending except our suppression as a global race (we are all Terrans) and occupation of the Reptoid/Grays. Also, if you haven’t yet. Look into Susan Joy Rennison, she is an scientist, and has done tons of research and can back up scientifically what David Wilcock, Tolec, Alex Collier, etc have been saying for years. We are evolving, etc.


Now, back to my original point. The nuance I am referring to is that during the time that Inelia Benz spoke about reaching critical mass, Gaia was permitted the choice of undergoing the normal expansion process or undergoing a mass expansion process. The normal process would have likely left a shell of Gaia's former self after undergoing massive earth changes that would have likely been very radical and thus eliminated a large portion of the humans. This was, of course, referred to within The RA Material as "harvest."; which was based on achieving 51% service to other or 95% service to self. All others would be reincarnated within other 3rd Density existence's to continue their cycle. (note: I know you are aware of this process, but am including a bit of background for those unaware of The RA Material).

With regard to the process, it appears that Gaia has chosen the latter option and now all beings on Gaia will experience this mass consciousness process. Apparently, Gaia (after assessing her capacity to sustain current life levels) asked for permission with this process; to which Source granted her permission to do so. This is where it should be quite interesting since death, among other things we 3rd density humans accept as "givens" in life, will technically no longer exist. RA certainly did not go into much detail about what was on the other side of the curtain.

I'm still working out what seems to resonate strongest with regard to our near "future selves". If any of you have been listening to Tolec from the Andromeda Counsel, then you might have picked up on some of the physical changes that we may be undergoing. These apparently include some of the following:

(Note: I hope that the following potentiality might help to quiet the nerves of those who have been very concerned about famine, disease, poverty, war, etc. - it's time to look forward as all that you have become accustomed to is destined to change as humanity's caterpillar becomes the magnificent butterfly)


SOME QUESTIONS & ANSWERS ABOUT 4D LIFE -


How will Earth people change as we become new 4D humans... once 2014 begins?

ANSWER: The most important thing to realize is that the transformation, the transition from 3D to 4D, from being a 3D person to being a 4D person… will be a smooth, ‘seamless’, painless, process. This experience will be a simple transformation of cellular structure, from the slower, more dense, heavier, existing 3D vibratory rate body you have today – to a higher, faster, lighter, 4D vibratory rate. You will have a body that is taller, literally lighter in terms of mass, weight & density... about one tenth (1/10) of what you weigh now.

Keep in mind, your body’s molecular cellular structure will actually change. Think crystal based molecules. Your existing 3D cell walls will transmute into being crystalline based. Your 4D body, the cellular structure of your 4D body, will be based on crystalline molecules. No longer carbon based, but crystal based. Within the core, the center of each cell, it will be infused with light. Your 4D bodies will really be... very translucent. This is a natural 4th dimensional, 4th density state.

Everyone will be relatively tall & slim in stature. This is simply the nature of having a body composed of crystalline cellular structure. You will also be 'lighter' in terms of... being infused with light. Not opaque like you are today, not completely translucent, but very translucent.

Your children will transform as well. But in terms of age appearance, they will continue to develop as young children, into young adults, only now along the adjusted, normal, 'time line' of thousands of years for 4th dimensional people.

For most adults who choose to remain on Earth during this time of change, you will look approximately in the 32 to 35 year old age range. In terms of height, for a comparison, an average 3D male today at 5’10”… the equivalent 4th dimensional male will be about 7ft tall, this is the average height for a 4D man. A 5’ 5” to 5’ 6” 3D Earth woman will likely be about 6’ 2” living a 4D life. An average 4D Earth man will weigh in Earth terms about: 10 to 15 pounds. An average 4D Earth woman will weigh about: 5 to 7 pounds. Everyone will be relatively trim, tall, slim in stature. Again, this is simply due to the nature of having a body composed of crystalline cellular structure.

In terms of overall health, 4D Earth humans will be healthy, very healthy, full of light. With your solar system and Earth's migration into the 4th dimensional zone of space, 3D diseases will all be literally eradicated.



If we are this healthy, and with the eradication of 3D Earth diseases, how long will we live as 4D Earth humans?

ANSWER: You will like this answer. Typically, as you currently measure time on Earth, human beings living a 4D life spend a minimum of 6,000 years - to - a maximum of around 10,000 years... living a 4th dimensional life. Also understand, there are 12 octaves of awareness & learning in each dimension, from the 4D, fourth dimension on up. There is a lot to experience. Please keep in mind, the use of these numbers in years is to give you at least an approximation based on how Earth people measure time today. However, also keep in mind, the way you currently measure time on Earth – this will change once Earth becomes a completely 4D planet. Watching, measuring, experiencing time... this will virtually go away. Plan for this to completely come into effect by January 2014. In any case, you will live very, very long lives... before you move on to the 5D, fifth dimension.



We understand the complete curing of physical health. But again, what about people with autism, retardation, syndromes, people who are mentally ill?

ANSWER: I certainly understand the seriousness of this issue. The 'medical/healthcare' team on the primary biosphere who will help, assist & counsel people who are having a difficult time adjusting to the differences of 4th dimensional life; well, in addition, what we would consider either severe psychiatric, deep emotional issues, shock or trauma; or people with autism, retardation, syndromes, varying degrees of mental illness, people with these afflictions who you are rightfully concerned about, they have the ability to chose (or a responsible party can choose for them), to heal their fine matter consciousness, this thing we call 'the mind' where these issues are lodged. Please understand this is literally: a spiritual vibratory issue. And the 'medical/healthcare' team on the primary biosphere, or any of the other 11 Andromeda Council flagged biospheres stationed in Earth's solar system, these teams can use various resonating sonic frequencies & techniques to attenuate, adjust & correct the 'dysfunctions' and repair the broken pathways of the fine matter 'wiring' of these peoples minds. There are a variety of modalities that can be used in combination... to help cure these people. They are curable. It will take some counseling, a little extra care & gentle attention after the 'medical' work, the atunements are done & completed. But these people, like everyone else, they too... will be fine.



If our current bodies are transforming into new 4D bodies, and you have said that 3D Earth diseases will be eradicated, what about those of us with bad or missing teeth, various syndromes, muscular dystrophy, ALS, cerebral palsy, or those people with mental illness; those of us who are back from the various Gulf Wars and Afghanistan with missing hands, fingers, arms, legs? What about all of us?

ANSWER: From the Chief Medical Officer of the Andromeda Council biosphere, she says, "Many people have asked this kind of question. Yes. The transformation of your 3D body into a 4D body will eradicate the existing illnesses and all dis-eases; and your bodies including birth defects, various syndromes, your loss of limbs, bad or missing teeth, malfunctioning hearing or defective eyes, and old age - all of these will all be remedied. Again, remember, you are being transformed. You will have a full, complete, healthy body."



What about pregnant 3D Earth human women, about to deliver, right at the moment of the 4th, 4D, dimensional shift of Earth?

ANSWER: Women who are pregnant will be fine. Azar, the Chief Medical Officer of all six (6) Andromeda Council hospital biospheres, has said they have teams of people ready to assist all pregnant women on planet Earth who are about to deliver... at the moment the 'switch is thrown' and Earth becomes a 4D world. These teams of OB/GYN specialists will do everything to ensure these pregnant women have completely healthy 4D human babies. The mothers and their babies will be fine.


OK. So, back to the 5D. What do you mean we move on to 5D, onto the fifth dimension... when do we die?

ANSWER: No no, you misunderstand. That's the point. You don't die. Remember, time doesn't exist from the 4D, fourth dimension, on upward. You don't experience time. And people, Earth people living a 4D life do not die. A person can choose by really extraordinary circumstances to be “extinguished”, but this is very, very rare. When a 4D person gets to the point when he/she is 6,000 -10,000 'years old', when he/she feels they've learned enough & contributed enough to society, when the moment is right for them, they simply choose to move on, and transition to 5D, the fifth dimension, a slightly higher frequency of vibratory awareness. For a new set of challenges, a new set of learning experiences. It is a transition, a change in vibration. This transition from 4D, the fourth, to 5D, the fifth, is simply about into a higher vibration and capabilities… when the moment is right for him/her. Further, the actual capabilities one has once he/she become a 5D, a fifth dimensional human, are only a couple of degrees enhanced above the upper capabilities of 4D, the fourth dimension. In any case, moving on from one dimension to the next is only about having many experiences, learning many many things, and then making a simple choice to move on, to change. You do not die.

http://andromedacouncil.com/page05.html

So, if the preceding changes occur, (I have no way of confirming any of this) there will be NO DOUBT that we have crossed the bridge that so many seem to be worried about. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that Tolec is right. Of course, 4th Density Gaia will not use money…so that is pretty much a moot point

[KiwiElf]

In a simple sense, it is a game - the idea of maintaining what they [TPTW] fear they will lose... power over us... & not recognising that the equalisation or balancing of the entire world will actually be the gaining of their own self-empowerment along with everyone elses. Hence we all go up a notch in awareness.

Those who choose to stay in 3-D will create variations of their own "Hell on Earth" & will simply cease to exist at higher frequencies - like a blocked channel on your TV which you can't or wouldn't access.

From the Bible to just about every cultural and modern belief makes some reference to the "dark ones" only having a limited time....

[KiwiElf]

But we have to stop thinking of time as a linear fixed event. It isn't.

[StarDust]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
But we have to stop thinking of time as a linear fixed event. It isn't.

Bashar explains this concept best within his explanation of infinite parallel realities. He nails it right on the head!

[KiwiElf]

Posted by StarDust (here)

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
But we have to stop thinking of time as a linear fixed event. It isn't.

Bashar explains this concept best within his explanation of infinite parallel realities. He nails it right on the head!

Bingo... and The Time Travellers episode of ANCIENT ALIENS: somewhere through there, they talk of each possible dimension being only molecules "thick" or "apart" in a sense. Now, you can extrapolate on that and the possibility that every single being on the planet in every universe is creating their unique variation of that - at a sub-atomic level, instantaneously.

Our upgraded awareness & recognition of this will accelerate the process ? - turbo boost ?? - where you will literally, - in what appears to be physical reality at a higher vibrationary level - instantly create that reality.

Lucid dreaming is quite possibly a window or connection to this reality/dimension. ?

EDIT: Make that every single living thing, including the Earth [Gaia] itself. Every planet in the solar system is being affected as we speak.

[KiwiElf]

Hmmm the Harmonic Wave Template

[Rocky_Shorz]

I always chuckle seeing "Luciferianism"

Lucifer translates into lightbringer, which is Mary, mother of Jesus...

that's why they laugh at everyone being afraid of their beliefs, they let everyone think Satan but they recognize the female entity bloodline...

just using fear for control...

pull back the veil and walk in...

[Selene]

Stardust, you asked whether I am: “living in fear….” ?

I’m curious: In what respect do you take fearfulness from my comment about the most consistent message we have received from ET communications over the past century?

I do not fear this message. Rather, I understand it and take it seriously in the same spirit with which it has been offered. That is, they are speaking the truth as they understand it and our violent nature is unwelcome and dangerous outside of our planetary territory. Furthermore, our nuclear weapons are capable of placing much more than our own planetary viability in jeopardy. Nuclear fission is capable of creating rifts in the very fabric of 3-D time and space and this affects other planets and systems throughout our entire galaxy. We have no right to do this and other planets and systems are within their rights to protect themselves in self-defense. Hence the repeated shutdowns of our ICBM silos, etc. Our right of Free Will remains; we will make our own choices here. ET has not come to “save us” from ourselves and our own stupidity.

But as Justice Learned Hand once famously pointed out: “Your right to swing your fist stops where my nose begins.”

This is not a message to be feared. But it is a message to be taken very, very seriously at the highest levels within our planetary governance – and within each of us as human beings.

Other planetary civilizations are perfectly within their rights to protect themselves from the side-effects of our own self-destructive earthling human nature. That much must be unequivocal.

They will not have to “destroy” us. If we continue to act stupidly, we will have done it to ourselves and will have only ourselves to blame.

That’s a warning, not a prophecy.

And I personally appreciate the fact that they have made their position clear.

You may fear this message if you choose. I do not, but rather choose to work toward meaningful nuclear disarmament and free energy as a result.

Cheers,

Selene
(And my apologies if I am unable to respond further here for the next 24-36 hours since I will be again in the air with limited wifi access….)

Posted by StarDust (here)

Posted by Selene (here)
So. I’m reading this thread having just come off an overseas flight on which the movie was “The Day the Earth Stood Still” (1951), starring Michael Rennie as the Alien.

IMDb plot summary: “An alien lands and tells the people of Earth that they must live peacefully or be destroyed as a danger to other planets.”

Sixty-one years ago. They’ve actually been here even longer. Has the message ever changed?

Duh.

Cheers,

Selene

No one ever stated that propaganda to create fear over other worldly beings started yesterday. The real question is if you have changed with regard to receiving the message; or does that 61 year old fear tactic still have power over you?

<snip>

I hope that living in fear serves a purpose for you. Learn from it, process it, then move on!

Selamat Gajun! Selamat Ja!

[wynderer]

do Humans really need ETs to tell you that you are destroying your planet? the news about Fukushima addresses that topic pretty well

& if you'd like to get the real scoop on how cruel & violent many of you have been thru the ages, i recommend a study of Human history -- even w/all that's been left out, i think you'll get the picture

Posted by Selene (here)
Stardust, you asked whether I am: “living in fear….” ?

I’m curious: In what respect do you take fearfulness from my comment about the most consistent message we have received from ET communications over the past century?

I do not fear this message. Rather, I understand it and take it seriously in the same spirit with which it has been offered. That is, they are speaking the truth as they understand it and our violent nature is unwelcome and dangerous outside of our planetary territory. Furthermore, our nuclear weapons are capable of placing much more than our own planetary viability in jeopardy. Nuclear fission is capable of creating rifts in the very fabric of 3-D time and space and this affects other planets and systems throughout our entire galaxy. We have no right to do this and other planets and systems are within their rights to protect themselves in self-defense. Hence the repeated shutdowns of our ICBM silos, etc. Our right of Free Will remains; we will make our own choices here. ET has not come to “save us” from ourselves and our own stupidity.

But as Justice Learned Hand once famously pointed out: “Your right to swing your fist stops where my nose begins.”

This is not a message to be feared. But it is a message to be taken very, very seriously at the highest levels within our planetary governance – and within each of us as human beings.

Other planetary civilizations are perfectly within their rights to protect themselves from the side-effects of our own self-destructive earthling human nature. That much must be unequivocal.

They will not have to “destroy” us. If we continue to act stupidly, we will have done it to ourselves and will have only ourselves to blame.

That’s a warning, not a prophecy.

And I personally appreciate the fact that they have made their position clear.

You may fear this message if you choose. I do not, but rather choose to work toward meaningful nuclear disarmament and free energy as a result.

Cheers,

Selene
(And my apologies if I am unable to respond further here for the next 24-36 hours since I will be again in the air with limited wifi access….)

Posted by StarDust (here)

Posted by Selene (here)
So. I’m reading this thread having just come off an overseas flight on which the movie was “The Day the Earth Stood Still” (1951), starring Michael Rennie as the Alien.

IMDb plot summary: “An alien lands and tells the people of Earth that they must live peacefully or be destroyed as a danger to other planets.”

Sixty-one years ago. They’ve actually been here even longer. Has the message ever changed?

Duh.

Cheers,

Selene

No one ever stated that propaganda to create fear over other worldly beings started yesterday. The real question is if you have changed with regard to receiving the message; or does that 61 year old fear tactic still have power over you?

<snip>

I hope that living in fear serves a purpose for you. Learn from it, process it, then move on!

Selamat Gajun! Selamat Ja!

[GoodETxSG]

Posted by sdv (here)

I cannot wait to meet one of these 'Hippies from Outer Space"... They will probably want to stay away from me because I will corner one of them and ask question after question for days on end

And when you are finished with them I am going to give them a good talking to about all these abductions (so not acceptable) and then trot them off to the ICC and get them prosecuted for crimes against humanity. Anyone else there who doesn't buy this 'you actually agreed to it' excuse of theirs?

Okay, are we talking about the GOOD ET/EDs or the BAD ET/EDs? One of us is confused... To think that our limited human perceptions can understand beings that are thousandsXthousands of years beyon us... spiritually and techie wise we cannot judge them for helping or not helping us... I am sure if the regular ant crawling around met a Monk from the east it would start complaining at why it had mowed the grass over its colony and dumped powder on its family and killed it... The monk just arriving from the east would say... "HUH:... No a great comparison... but it would be along those lines... the Good ones are waiting for us to deserve and to evolve to the point to where we are worth saving as a whole... I still do not think we are even close yet... IMHO.

[Selene]

Wynderer, you offered me what I presume is a suggestion for my further education:

Posted by Wynderer
& if you'd like to get the real scoop on how cruel & violent many of you have been thru the ages, i recommend a study of Human history -- even w/all that's been left out, i think you'll get the picture

I have in fact been an avid student of history both ancient and modern for at least five decades, been a regular contributor to Graham Hancock’s Ancient Mysteries site for about ten years (writing on Egyptology) and am the author of several well-received books on Tudor history. My own continuous reincarnational memory extends back only about 2,500 years, though, so I do hope you will forgive my clumsy attempts at insight into human nature. I will defer to what is clearly your superior expertise.

P.S

Posted by Wynderer
….many of you…

“You”???? Huh ????

Pardon me, Oh Magnificent One, I note with interest your exclusion from the human race, and will now take your comments with the pretentious self-importance with which they are evidently offered for us mere mortals who sit eagerly awaiting crumbs of wisdom at your elevated feet.

Regards,

Selene

[wynderer]

but you still did not answer my question : why do Humans need ETs to tell them what is right in front of their noses?

Posted by Selene (here)
Wynderer, you offered me what I presume is a suggestion for my further education:

Posted by Wynderer
& if you'd like to get the real scoop on how cruel & violent many of you have been thru the ages, i recommend a study of Human history -- even w/all that's been left out, i think you'll get the picture

I have in fact been an avid student of history both ancient and modern for at least five decades, been a regular contributor to Graham Hancock’s Ancient Mysteries site for about ten years (writing on Egyptology) and am the author of several well-received books on Tudor history. My own continuous reincarnational memory extends back only about 2,500 years, though, so I do hope you will forgive my clumsy attempts at insight into human nature. I will defer to what is clearly your superior expertise.

P.S

Posted by Wynderer
….many of you…

“You”???? Huh ????

Pardon me, Oh Magnificent One, I note with interest your exclusion from the human race, and will now take your comments with the pretentious self-importance with which they are evidently offered for us mere mortals who sit eagerly awaiting crumbs of wisdom at your elevated feet.

Regards,

Selene

[Selene]

Because, Wynderer, not all of us are as smart as you are.....?

Cheers,

Selene