Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[KiwiElf]

I will not buy into the "no pain, no gain" idea that Clif, and countless others, promotes.

This is a double edged sword with both positive & negative connotations and everything inbetween. Humankind appears to be in the process - en-masse - of waking up to the idea that we're sick of the "pain" aspect of it (and pretty well reflects whats going on now).

[TargeT]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
I will not buy into the "no pain, no gain" idea that Clif, and countless others, promotes.

This is a double edged sword with both positive & negative connotations and everything inbetween. Humankind appears to be in the process - en-masse - of waking up to the idea that we're sick of the "pain" aspect of it (and pretty well reflects whats going on now).

I think "no pain no gain" is more of a concept related to breaking human apathy / complacentcy... humankind often needs to be "knocked off" the easiest path in order to expand and grow; one of my favorite quotes is "he who learns must suffer" and I've found it to be true in a majority of situations as we are resistant to change and often settle into the path of least resistance and assume it is "as things should be".

I do not think that it is manditory, but it does seem a very apt concept & applicatble to *most*.

Do I hope what yousay will be true? HELL but I think it may not be the case, as "we" are the minority.

[jorr lundstrom]

There are a lot of saviours around. Ive seen a lot surfacing and

going down during the fifteen months Ive been on Avalon.

But I must say Im fascinated that so many still jump into

those stories. LOL

Mr Obama was sold to the american people as a saviour,

doesnt that say all? Im sorry, but I cant see anything else than

distractions in this. Just giving time to the cabal so they can

continue their work to lower humanity under the famous

500 000 000 figure. Isnt that wots actually is happening?


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[frozen alchemy]

High seems awfully sure of his take on things; he states that Wilcock doesn't really vet people as well as he thinks (how would he know?), that Fulford is wrong about the Yakusa's organizations behind the scenes (because High is active in his own dojo half a world away and hasn't heard anything about it), etc. and so forth. I'm still waiting for High's predictions about the end of the world from back mid-March when he panicked to come true.

Meanwhile, they all want money in some way, shape or form, even if they say 'just ask and you get the newsletter for free'.

Why are not ALL these people ever gotten together in the same room and interviewed, and able to debate each other, for several hours? Is that asking too much?

BTW, RedIce radio is a wonderful source and great interview skills.

[KiwiElf]

well here's an idea to play with which can be applied to our favourite addages, truism's, sayings etc - it can also be appled to every thing or any one too .

Do they hold a "truth" for you? (no right or wrong answer in this)

What is the difference between:

"What is your favourite colour?"
"Is your favourite color red?"
"Your favourite color should be red"
"Your favourite color should not be red"

The difference between competition vs co-operation.

[KiwiElf]

Just a "perspective":

That's the paradox of "making a prediction" - (a "sensing" of the energy or vibration flow at the time of the prediction, projected forward into a possible future). And the second you make that prediction, it will change simply because you are still, in that sense, making a future prediction in the "NOW".

Even just reading it allows you to agree or disagree with it, more or less, in a general sense. Consider this "feedback" as to what you prefer or do not prefer.

It also allows you to transform it.

It's "easier/safer" to be a 100 % wrong than it is to be 100 % "right" ?

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
So...

... who's going to perform these guys' arrests now that they have been convicted?

I think it is reasonable to assume that if this ever does happen, you will not hear about it until after the fact.

[KiwiElf]

eg, Nostradamus' predictions have a penchant for "coming true" after the fact... and the popular "interpretations" of his predictions before the fact - at the time, get re-interpreted to suit

[aranuk]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Full article: http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/...s-in-absentia/

Why not ask Drake. Unless you want to organise it.

Stan

I don't think it was part of Drake's plan to walk the walk. But if the Hague issues the orders, the RCMP would be glad to comply.

As far as I know the Hague doesn't issue orders to Americans does it?

Stan

[Hervé]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
So...

... who's going to perform these guys' arrests now that they have been convicted?

I think it is reasonable to assume that if this ever does happen, you will not hear about it until after the fact.

Could be...

... however:

The Arrest Bush Protest in Surrey, British Columbia

- 22. Oct, 2011 in 9/11, Activism, Commentary/Analysis, Media, Middle east, News/Politics, U.S. Foreign Policy, World -
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Bush Back in Canada


by Joshua Blakeney


George W. Bush returned to Canada this week to attend an economic summit in Surrey, British Columbia.
Under Canadian law Bush ought to have been refused entry into Canada and once in Canada ought to have been apprehended under the laws contained in Canada’s Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act (2000). Bush, who is accused of war crimes by an increasing number of respected Human Rights organizations, was allowed entry into Canada, contravening not only our laws but the system of values the average Canadian identifies with.

Full article here: http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/10/the...tish-columbia/

He also shortened his visit pretty quick.

****************************************************
Edit to add:

2011-08-01 The Swiss caused Geo Bush to cancel his visit to Switzerland. Can we do the same? Bush speaking in Surrey BC, Thur October 20, 2011.

George Bush war criminal
Jul 312011
“Security… it’s simply the recognition that changes will take place and the knowledge that you’re willing to deal with whatever happens. … When you know that you’re capable of dealing with whatever comes, you have the only security the world has to offer.” – Harry Browne
- – - – - – - - – - – - – - –
George Bush was in Canada in 2009 (Calgary, Edmonton, Saskatoon and Montreal).
We were heavily involved in efforts to have him arrested. Click on Arrest George Bush. Rule of Law essential to democracy. It’s a list of some of the efforts that are on-going through many organizations in the world to have Bush tried for war crimes.

[...]

Article here: http://sandrafinley.ca/?p=2827

[Hervé]

Posted by aranuk (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Full article: http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/...s-in-absentia/

Why not ask Drake. Unless you want to organise it.

Stan

I don't think it was part of Drake's plan to walk the walk. But if the Hague issues the orders, the RCMP would be glad to comply.

As far as I know the Hague doesn't issue orders to Americans does it?

Stan

Unless the Obama signing to rejoin the ICC is true and verified. No confirmation on that one except the sole news of such by VT's Gordon Duff.

Interestingly, the US quit being member of the ICC so that Bush et al. wouldn't be subject to its rulings on war crimes.

[aranuk]

Thanks Amzer! You tell it how it iz.

Stan

[KiwiElf]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
I will not buy into the "no pain, no gain" idea that Clif, and countless others, promotes.

This is a double edged sword with both positive & negative connotations and everything inbetween. Humankind appears to be in the process - en-masse - of waking up to the idea that we're sick of the "pain" aspect of it (and pretty well reflects whats going on now).

I think "no pain no gain" is more of a concept related to breaking human apathy / complacentcy... humankind often needs to be "knocked off" the easiest path in order to expand and grow; one of my favorite quotes is "he who learns must suffer" and I've found it to be true in a majority of situations as we are resistant to change and often settle into the path of least resistance and assume it is "as things should be".

I do not think that it is manditory, but it does seem a very apt concept & applicatble to *most*.

Do I hope what yousay will be true? HELL but I think it may not be the case, as "we" are the minority.

As a "tool", as a "methodology", it is what we have generally used until now - with varying degrees of success, but to use another analogy, "put a big enough engine on a brick, and it will fly"... also true. But a brick is neither effective - or efficient -, as an aircraft.

The idea of "no pain, no gain" creates limitations where none are needed

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
For the first time, I completely agree with Clif High -- especially re Fukushima (a potentially extremely serious global-impact problem happening right now) -- and his take on 'Drake' (he's right).

Thanks for calling this one out, Bill. I usually skip over Clif High ... but dang it ... he nails it this time, on several topics.

[A Simple Human]

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
There are a lot of saviours around. Ive seen a lot surfacing and going down during the fifteen months Ive been on Avalon. But I must say Im fascinated that so many still jump into those stories. LOL

Mr Obama was sold to the american people as a saviour, doesnt that say all? Im sorry, but I cant see anything else than distractions in this. Just giving time to the cabal so they can continue their work to lower humanity under the famous 500 000 000 figure. Isnt that wots actually is happening?


All is well


Jorr 2.0

@ jorr lundstrom,

Is that what's actually happening? Can you say definitively, or is that just supposition on your behalf? The MSM would certainly have you believe it, and I would say that from everything I've observed, seen, heard, or read humanity surely appears to be in a dire situation. Can you or anyone else provide valid, indisputable evidence that everything is lost and there's not a glimmer of hope left? All I see are personal opinions or third party opinions, articles, or videos posted to the PA forum. Are these supposed to constitute absolute fact, the Cabal is progressing as planned with their NWO agenda, as long as they reflect all the horrible atrocities going on in the world?

I agree that no one should seek prophets, saviors, or the like. I've stated as much in previous posts. I understand that "Drake" may not be a credible informant, and that mass arrests of Cabal members may not occur accordingly or perhaps at all. Again, I've stated as much in previous posts. This is the very reason I refrain from making guarantees. I find those on PA making predictions (either way), and then gambling on said predictions quite foolish, especially when the outcome is completely outside of their own control. I also find it rather foolish to simply believe in another PA members opinion just because it concurs with my own preconceived notion. I take all available (positive or negative) information, process it, and then form my own conclusions.

The "Truth" is we must all humble ourselves and acknowledge that the only “Truth” that we currently posses is that we do not currently posses the “Truth”. If we are all individual aspects of “God”, then any “Truth”, whether it comes from spirits, angels, extraterrestrials, multidimensional beings, channels, David Wilcock, Drake, or Bill Ryan, is just another perspective variant, albeit perhaps a better informed one, of the “Truth”.

Regarding distractions, I'm perplexed with our fellow PA members. Our apparent "enlightened" members, who from the very start did not believe Drake's story, are claiming that the whole Drake episode is a distraction for the alternative community. Yet, those very members are the ones who have posted every waking moment, ad nauseam, for well over a month now to disprove something that they claim to never have believed to begin with; thereby, manifesting the very reality of distraction that they have focused on. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm no more distracted now then the time before Drake appeared on the scene. I'm a multitasker, and I'm well aware of all the negative crap going on too. Isn't anyone else?

Also, I suppose PA does not host the most astute mathematicians on the planet. PA currently boasts an active membership of roughly 1,700 members, and a total of 5,300 inactive/active members. The US Census Bureau reports that there are now over 7.013 billion people on the planet. So, even if there were 100 million people around the world awake and actively changing humanity for the better, an infinitesimal amount are either here on PA or engaged in another alternative community forum. So where's the real distraction? Is there really a need for one?

Futhermore, I thought that we possess free will. Does no one else possess the will power to resist listening to, viewing, or reading this material or to resist posting their opinion on it? Since when has anything Drake, David Wilcock, or anyone from this forum said distract someone from doing whatever it was they were going to do? Has Drake, David Wilcock, or anyone from this forum actually come to someone's home and physically stopped anyone from informing their neighbors and friends of the NWO agenda, from voting, from meditating, from removing their money from their current bank and placing it in a local credit union, from supporting their local Mom & Pop stores, from buying organic meat and produce, from planting a garden, from building a community farm, from purchasing a firearm, from stocking up on water, food, and other supplies, from creating their own incredibly well crafted plan to take down the Cabal and the NWO agenda, etc...?

Oh yeah, what was the Alternative Community's plan again anyway? I’m sorry, I’m new here and I didn’t quite catch it. Can someone get me up to speed? Is it to quickly boot up our computers and log into PA to submit one last post, while the NWO agents are breaking down our doors? Then kick and scream, “I didn’t hit submit yet!” while clutching our keyboards as they drag us off to some internment camp? Thought so!

There has been extensive debate about this “Wilcock – Drake” topic ad nauseam. I wonder if it’s worth so much time. These events seem to be out of our individual hands. I’ve learned years ago that it’s not worth worrying about things that are completely out of your control. Worrying is a great waste of time and energy, which could otherwise be spent sharing, building, learning, helping, preparing, etc.

In the end everything comes down to personal decisions and personal responsibility. There are way too many people here trying to push their opinions on others, and I don't understand why. Can't anyone make up their own mind, and be happy with that? Why is there this need, seemingly by many posters, to desperately convince others of their opinions? You know what, if anyone reading my post thinks that it's absolute garbage and that I'm crazy, well congratulations for you. I don't care. I don't have the need to shove my opinions down anyone else's throat. What purpose does imposing your opinions on others really serve anyway? Is it to help? I see it as building a platform in which to grandstand from at a later date and shout "I told you so!" Is that really the most important thing to worry about at this particular time? There are still many members offering their opinions and criticism, and very few offering any solutions.

"Never underestimate your power to change yourself; never overestimate your power to change others." - H. Jackson Brown Jr.

Although it appears we're losing, I refuse to believe that we've lost just yet.

Coldplay: Lost!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rMpfsTWneh4

Just because I'm losing
Doesn't mean I'm lost
Doesn't mean I'll stop
Doesn't mean I will cross

Just because I'm hurting
Doesn't mean I'm hurt
Doesn't mean I didn't get what I deserve
No better and no worse

I just got lost
Every river that I've tried to cross
And every door I ever tried was locked
Ooh-Oh, And I'm just waiting till the shine wears off...

You [Cabal] might be a big fish
In a little pond
Doesn't mean you've won
'Cause along may come
A bigger one

And you'll be lost
Every river that you tried to cross
Every gun you ever held went off
Ooh-oh, and I'm just waiting till the firing stops
Ooh-oh, and I'm just waiting till the shine wears off

All is well,

A.S.H.

PS: Jorr, I hope you do not consider this a personal attack because it's not intended to be. Your post, however, allowed me to address the entire forum with thoughts that I've been withholding for a while now. I respect your right to your opinion, and you are welcome to it. After resisting for some time, I finally had to share mine.

[Ishtar]

Posted by promezeus (here)
Ishtar, have you listened to Wilcock's 5/9 ctc show on youtube and his latest blog post at www.divinecosmos.com called Divine Intervention?

AN OPEN LETTER TO DAVID WILCOCK

Dear David,

I have just read this on your latest blog.

The end of this year, 2012, is the moment the ancient prophecies identified as the shift-point of the entire cycle.

Again, this was "encoded" into dozens of ancient mythologies around the world -- all of whom predicted it would usher in a Golden Age.

We do not know whether anything specific will happen during this exact time window or not -- but either way, it appears that all of the ancient prophecies are now coming to a head.

I would like to make you an offer.... one that you should be easily able to benefit from if you are right.

Please give one 'ancient prophecy' that decrees that the end of the year 2012 marks the end of the precessional cycle (which is the 25,920 year cycle that you're referring to.) or will usher in a Golden Age.

We know that there are ancient myths about cycles (or yugas) of varying lengths that make up a 25,950-year astronomical cycle.

So out of all these "dozens" of ancient prophesies that you mention, please show me just ONE that gives the date of 2012 as the end date of that astronomical cycle, and I will give you a million pounds, willingly.

You can't count the Mayan calendar, because others have since been found going way beyond 2012. The latest one can be read about here.

So all you have to do is come up with ONE ancient prophecy that predicts that the year 2012 will mark the end of 25,950 year cycle and the beginning of a new one, and I will give you a million pounds.

You can contact me here.

Looking forward to hearing from you,


Ishtar

[jorr lundstrom]

A Simple Human. Being nothing but a simple human myself,

I just write wot Im experiencing. The truth Im experiencing

is that this whole **** is coming down. I have nothing to say

about this more than its fine with me. We have collectively

constructed a society that is so anti- life, anti-living that its

about time to take a new route. Im not convinced that I will

survive the changes necessary, but I do welcome them ie I

dont care for those stupidities I see around anymore.I dont

rely on hope, to me hope is just another distraction. I cant

change myself or others. Im available for changes taking place

in (my) cosciousness and in my understanding of wot life is all

about.

As for informing people around me, the limit is my unbroken

nose-bone. A long life has showed me that people who dont

want to know are protecting their destructive programmings to

the bitter end.


I have dying people, people going crazy, totally confused people and


people who are totally cut of from everything that takes place outside

them around me. I know that a lot of people wount survive in wots

happening. Unawareness, stupidity and selfdelusionment is wots

breaking them. This is a paradise for archons.

I do rely on that source playing with this body as a tool know wots

necessary.

This is my experiences and my convictions, just sayin.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

The Arrest Bush Protest in Surrey, British Columbia

- 22. Oct, 2011 in 9/11, Activism, Commentary/Analysis, Media, Middle east, News/Politics, U.S. Foreign Policy, World -
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Bush Back in Canada

My apologies if this is bit off topic, but isn't it funny how we never see this kind of passion and outrage concerning the exact same actions of one Mr. Obama? Talk about mind control.

[xbusymom]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

So all you have to do is come up with ONE ancient prophecy that predicts that the year 2012 will mark the end of 25,950 year cycle and the beginning of a new one, and I will give you a million pounds.

You can contact me here.

Looking forward to hearing from you,


Ishtar

A million pounds of what? (LOL)

[SilentFeathers]

Sheesh, I bet those devoted followers of Drake would love to burn Clif High at the stake! lol!