Jesus the man / JESUS the Archon – inspired by Houman’s Horus-Ra thread

[Chester]

Hi Folks, recently I read a post by 9eagle9 in Unified Serenity's thread entitled - The Real Story Behind Aliens_ Ufos_ Demons_ Illuminati & Satanism

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...inati-Satanism

9eagle9 in post #52 of the thread prompted me to write her a PM -

Note 9eagle9 was additionally inspired by Vivek's - Who is DRAKE... thread

Here is 9eagle9's post #52 (which I recommend reviewing to obtain context for the following)

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post486894

OK, so I PM'd 9eagle9 the following -

from justoneman to 9eagle9 -

Post #52 in The Real Story Behind Aliens...

Thank you for this post - its where I have been heading - sobering... when I read it, it rang true.

I have been a piece of work of these archonic forces since early childhood. And to read this is a cold, hard slap in the face but so has so many other posts on this Avalon forum, yet this one I really needed.

9eagle9, I have read carefully several dozen of your posts... in fact in my early days on this forum, your posting style I thought was rude... then I started getting a clue... and then I opened up to the message... and now when I read one of your posts when you are dealing with someone like abc, 123, xyz (names left out intentionally), etc. I feel like I am writing your response with you.

Now make sure you understand I am not replacing my last gurus with you... not at all, or I wouldn't be getting the gist of some of your posts. In fact, what has happened is that I have essentially kicked out all the gurus... no, wrong words - the right words is that I have moved on yet with one exception and this is the purpose of my letter to you.

This Jesus guy. I am not religious. I knee-jerk suspect almost 100% if not 100% of the stories of this guy are just stories. That a man lived upon which these stories have been created I am open to and my intuition suggests he lived. That many women and men throughout history have lived bravely and [about] which stories could be told and then elevated to "prophet" or "saint" or even "son of god" status I believe have existed and many perhaps do today. But this Jesus guy seems to get a huge amount of attention and thus all sorts of "information" about him has permeated a huge segment of the information field.

Please, give me your thoughts about who/what he was - nothing offends me - please do not hold back - but I hope you would respond to me about this guy.

Take Care
justoneman



Response from 9eagle9

Lol...I'm not really guru material. People have tried to make me one and I've refused;its exhausting having people like you have mentioned clamoring around you wanting something they don't really want. Not to say I'm ego-less but guru-ing is really for ego entrenched people. You probably have an idea its a really hard work to remove one's social programming (where my rudeness comes in, I just don't go with the social conditioning of playing nice, and feigning interest in a bunch of bull****, and being politically correct. Everyone still expects that --I don't translate well into text.. he he.

Jesus appears to be a man --just a man- not much different than you or I that had a fairly basic, tuned in message, and it got perverted, corrupted, and plastered over with pre-existing stories. He was intentionally elevated to savior even though he stated that he was not. The expectation of any ascended master or guru of integrity was that we the people continue evolving spiritually to transcend even what they knew.

We actually know or at least have the capability of knowing beyond what Jesus told about much of which isn't even in the Bible. Understand that only a very small percentage of the Bible which is what Christanity is based on is actually about Jesus, just a tiny bit--a few chapters.

Much like to day, Christanity has little to do with the few parables of wisdom that Jesus spoke of but has become an institution of social programming through fear and guilt. I would expect if you or I were to achieve such infamy, in a few thousand years what we attempted to convey would be corrupted as a means of achieving power.

So just a plain old man who knew something. The ptb works through our minds, our egos. Jesus knew this, he struggled against his own mind, his ego, in the desert which was later recounted as 'struggling with the Devil.' Archonic forces. Ancient cultures understood that archonic energies worked through the ego. Angels are archons (arch-angels) and the Bible is loaded with angelic influence. If one reads the bible one will notice that angelic messengers are often countering what Jesus is saying, not supporting it.

An archon arrived and seduced Mary into thinking she would have a child of immaculate conception. The old testament God is an archon.

Just one man who knew 'something' and attempted to convey it as such, and much of it has been corrupted into a system of control.

But for some reason we remain stuck as subordinates of sorts. After 2000 years one would expect some sort of evolution. A truly ascended person would not die for another's sins knowing that an act like that is not really going to help anyone , no more than I can fix people. So either Jesus didn't understand that or ...it was made up. Afterwards archonic forces simply imposing on the local popularity of one man, and using him to take over the world.

It seems arrogant to say that we know more now than when Jesus did but that was the expectation to keep learning, evolving and knowing spiritually and we remain stuck there because of our own sense of subordination.

This pattern is repeating again with the Wilcocks /Drake thing which isn't new but just a repeat of the last episode. The **** is getting ready to hit the fan and has actually been splattering all over for a long time. The ptb knows that there isn't enough of them to contain us, so create saviors (overseers) within the herd that are under their control. Influenced by archonic energies.

more later.

"I don't have to believe everything I think."

[the_vast_mystery]

I'll admit, I have trouble sometimes properly taking in material that feels too christian-centric for exactly these reasons stated above. To view the world through a purely christian-centered or christian-lore-centered point of view ignores so much of the history and culture that developed outside of and well before Christianity or other Abrahamic religions existed. This is also why I shudder a little when people go a little too far off the deep end with "Satanic Cults" or "Luciferianism" since it's often code for conveying their own failure to escape the Christian-centered mindset and thus evidences an inability to view spiritual/occult practices not officially sanctioned as Christian as anything other than inherently evil and always bad. Such black and white thinking tends to work against the greater interest of finding the truth.

[9eagle9]

Lucifernarian energies are another concept that was badly handled by the Bible and Christianity. This disortion as archonic energies seek to hide themsleves but always out in the open, was on purpose I'm sure. It was known prior to Christianity (and Jesus) for that matter. It is just one name of many for archonic (alien) parasitical energies. Satan of course become associated with Lucifer. Satanic worship in the pure form is decidedly different from Lucifernarian. Satanic is about the veneration of the self and the ego, it is a modern day corruption of gnosticism that venerated the self in it's highest form--free of ego. That was eventually corrupted into the cult of Saturn, Saturnia.

Satanism the mainstream cult religion is about ego and they typically wouldn't risk themselves in overt blood sacrifice with the understanding they could be locked up the rest of their life behind bars--not serving the ego as its a rather hedonistic practice. Mainstream Satanism is a sort of 'play in your own ****' philosophy.

The ego has its own archonic nature, and that is what the archonic entities that play in what may regarded in the unseen world leverage--the human ego. Usually their fears, and their lack of self value, and taking advantage of the fact that humans have lost touch with their essential nature.

Lucifer practices are decidedly different and a lot more destructive; whatever one refers to them as. Because its so insidious, subtle and many tentacled its difficult to find a central source of it (no single archonic entity like a goat headed man in red union suit) so I just refer to it as Opposing forces energy. If Satanism venerates the ego Lucifernarian leverages it, manipulates it and works through it and that is how the unwitting serve it. Fear based. The fearful always crave power.

Those who are truly powerful are graceful with it. They are not hungry for it because they do not lack it.

The Bible has always reminded me of an article that is desperate to convey the nature of these opposing forces but it was at a primitive time , and locality. It is in part influenced by the highest and the lowest, reminding me that they had a clue as to what was going on but not the means to observe it or describe it due to this primitive understanding. We have evolved in that we have an understanding on how this works but still seem helpless to do anything about it. Getting people to believe contradictions in terms is the hallmark of archonic energies-god loves you, god hates you, god wants to send you to heaven, god is going ot send you to hell, God is all powerful, God can't do nothing about the devil, God is all loving, God is going to punish you....

It is duality all on it's own and the religion most taking its cue from it is duality.

Certainly there was a lot of ego in compiling the Bible so it means that it was in part archonically influenced. Still there remains episodes of pure love in the Bible along with the vilest of acts attributed to God. The problems for humans is sorting out witch is which.

Jesus didn't have a Bible Jesus had.........?

God.

Jesus spoke of everlasting life as being most important so it seems a contradiction in terms to say that his death was all important. The Bible reminds me very much of a condensation of human struggle . Jesus speaks of many high values and the reactions and responses are archonic in nature.

In reading between the lines, the Bible shows that God is supposed to be expressed through us and not have some external value to be heeded.

Duality condensed in a book, the only real dulaity is what is real and what is archonic (alien).

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Lucifernarian energies are another concept that was badly handled by the Bible and Christianity. This disortion as archonic energies seek to hide themsleves but always out in the open, was on purpose I'm sure. It was known prior to Christianity (and Jesus) for that matter. It is just one name of many for archonic (alien) parasitical energies. Satan of course become associated with Lucifer. Satanic worship in the pure form is decidedly different from Lucifernarian. Satanic is about the veneration of the self and the ego, it is a modern day corruption of gnosticism that venerated the self in it's highest form--free of ego. That was eventually corrupted into the cult of Saturn, Saturnia.

Satanism the mainstream cult religion is about ego and they typically wouldn't risk themselves in overt blood sacrifice with the understanding they could be locked up the rest of their life behind bars--not serving the ego as its a rather hedonistic practice. Mainstream Satanism is a sort of 'play in your own ****' philosophy.

The ego has its own archonic nature, and that is what the archonic entities that play in what may regarded in the unseen world leverage--the human ego. Usually their fears, and their lack of self value, and taking advantage of the fact that humans have lost touch with their essential nature.

Lucifer practices are decidedly different and a lot more destructive; whatever one refers to them as. Because its so insidious, subtle and many tentacled its difficult to find a central source of it (no single archonic entity like a goat headed man in red union suit) so I just refer to it as Opposing forces energy. If Satanism venerates the ego Lucifernarian leverages it, manipulates it and works through it and that is how the unwitting serve it. Fear based. The fearful always crave power.

Those who are truly powerful are graceful with it. They are not hungry for it because they do not lack it.

The Bible has always reminded me of an article that is desperate to convey the nature of these opposing forces but it was at a primitive time , and locality. It is in part influenced by the highest and the lowest, reminding me that they had a clue as to what was going on but not the means to observe it or describe it due to this primitive understanding. We have evolved in that we have an understanding on how this works but still seem helpless to do anything about it. Getting people to believe contradictions in terms is the hallmark of archonic energies-god loves you, god hates you, god wants to send you to heaven, god is going ot send you to hell, God is all powerful, God can't do nothing about the devil, God is all loving, God is going to punish you....

It is duality all on it's own and the religion most taking its cue from it is duality.

Certainly there was a lot of ego in compiling the Bible so it means that it was in part archonically influenced. Still there remains episodes of pure love in the Bible along with the vilest of acts attributed to God. The problems for humans is sorting out witch is which.

Jesus didn't have a Bible Jesus had.........?

God.

Jesus spoke of everlasting life as being most important so it seems a contradiction in terms to say that his death was all important. The Bible reminds me very much of a condensation of human struggle . Jesus speaks of many high values and the reactions and responses are archonic in nature.

In reading between the lines, the Bible shows that God is supposed to be expressed through us and not have some external value to be heeded.

Duality condensed in a book, the only real dulaity is what is real and what is archonic (alien).

Still, it seems sticking to Christian terms harms outreach. By being more scientific in naming (naming the Archons and their energy for what they do versus what they may say they are) and trying to work less through religious terms that share their taint with the rest of the bible in having been corrupted over the years then you'd be able to reach more people with the core message without them switching off. I'm sure you don't particularly care but I just thought I'd put the idea out there. Because whenever someone brings up those words they inevitably invoke the thousands of years of history that come along with them and that can make disseminating important information very difficult if you have to take a lot of extra time out for outreach and mending those fences versus just not using those terms to begin with and instead developing a more modern vocabulary while explaining to people (if they ask) in more detail where these things originate from.

A lot of what I've noticed reading into the Alternative community is that they're often doing little to nothing to fight against the misrepresentations and total misconceptions the general public has about them. They just clam up like a child saying that no one else would understand, but yet if someone were to pay more careful attention to how their message was crafted they could fight those misconceptions before they start to form. The above being just one example of how. If we want to be taken seriously at all then a lot of attention must be paid to developing a narrative and selling the core message; Ideally it shouldn't matter what words people use, but realistically it does, and quite a lot.

Anyhow, my two cents.

[9eagle9]

That is attributed to a psychological process of core belief and core value. Even people who claim to have discarded the belief of Christianity still operate under its core values. Most new age religions while not having the beliefs of Christianity have the core values remaining.

An example of core value/ belief would be excorcising the belief that God (old testament) is going to reward/punish you. In the Bible, God is the source of reward and punishment.

Then people get 'enlightened' and decide that God is all loving and not punishing. They cast away all those fuddy duddy archaic beliefs about Christianity....or so they think.

Then go an adopt a belief called Karma.

Now Karma is responsible for dishing out reward and punishment. The belief is different, the core value remains the same. Reward and punishment. Good karma, bad karma. The God of the Old Testament with a new name or belief system attached to it.

Karma was supposed to empowering, meaning you had power or responsibility over your choices and actions, but in the present we really don't have any control over what happened in the past, its just a sort of mindless rationalization. Modern Karma is a perversion of the Buddhist Heart Sutra which is essentially about cleaning out your core values, which one is sometimes not aware they have.

this means of people waiting for something or someone to 'save' them is a Christian core value. They may have changed their conscious beliefs, and adopted a bunch of new age beliefs that are all light and airy but they are still waiting for a messiah or a savior to save them. Christian core value. Jesus turned into the Galactic Federation of Light. Jesus has been promised to come back for how long? So has the GFL? Any day now. The end is near. The GFL is approaching Jupiter and will be here shortly.

I am not a Christian by any means but I always find it amusing that the people who are most admantly out spoken and angry about Christianity are covertly still practicing it, unbeknownst to themselves even.

Humans have the strangest core value of wishing to seek something to have authority over them , regardless if it is punishing or rewarding . Hey if its all rewards that's great. The punishing part sort of sucks 'but I deserve it because I was a **** head in my last life'. Scientifically speaking this is just cause and effect.

Humans have a core value of always expecting to be rewarded that seems to go along with these covert Christian values. The lands of milk and honey. What are they doing exactly that they should have these rewards. This rumor that Wilcocks and Fulford promotes that all our gold will be returned to us. Okay I don't recall have sevral metric tons of gold and I'm not sure what I did to deserve all this gold. Its a mechanism of Fulford's an Wilcock's programming. Hey they are great guys for wanting to share what was never theirs in the first place!!

Humans also have the core value of wanting something to save them. They have endured thousands of years of disappointment in doing this, and it 'appears' to be all out of their control, further entrenching them in the notion that something must save them. And that too is rooted in Christianity although there were early traditions and religions that promoted 'someone coming to save us' ...

This has been going on LONG before Christianity, its just a different vehicle and its because of switching out the conscious belief but not addressing what is buried in the psyche out of plain site. Core values, which of course is what archonic energies leverage.

I am surprised the human race didn't die of disappointment thousands of years back.

[9eagle9]

They just clam up like a child saying that no one else would understand, but yet if someone were to pay more careful attention to how their message was crafted they could fight those misconceptions before they start to form.

That again is the conflict between the core belief and the core value--they are usually in opposition of each other so one cannot defend it or rationally consciously explain why they are contradicting themselves. People are really not mindful or even examine their beliefs for fatal errors before adopting them.

A well known contradiction revived once more in the recent past by Inelia was that the soul is unconditional but has made a contract to come into this world to do something. Urging one to sheer off conditioning while applying more...lol.

I'm sorry but a contract is a usually a series of conditions. When I observed that which pretty much told me everything I needed to know, there was a great kerfluffle and people went into crucification mode. Me of course being the Roman who was crucifying the new messiah. I don't accept this role because I was not nailing someone to a cross, I was observing a contradiction in terms.

No answer.

None was necessary.

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
They just clam up like a child saying that no one else would understand, but yet if someone were to pay more careful attention to how their message was crafted they could fight those misconceptions before they start to form.

That again is the conflict between the core belief and the core value--they are usually in opposition of each other so one cannot defend it or rationally consciously explain why they are contradicting themselves. People are really not mindful or even examine their beliefs for fatal errors before adopting them.

A well known contradiction revived once more in the recent past by Inelia was that the soul is unconditional but has made a contract to come into this world to do something. Urging one to sheer off conditioning while applying more...lol.

I'm sorry but a contract is a usually a series of conditions. When I observed that which pretty much told me everything I needed to know, there was a great kerfluffle and people went into crucification mode. Me of course being the Roman who was crucifying the new messiah. I don't accept this role because I was not nailing someone to a cross, I was observing a contradiction in terms.

No answer.

None was necessary.

Well not all contradictions are what they seem at first. One thing I'm still trying to figure out is how to properly temper both sides of my brain to work with and express these metaphysical concepts clearly. Predominantly Right-brained people (the one's I've known at least) do not do most of their communication verbally and if you're not fully versed in the related material they talk about then it often won't make sense. The big picture is summarized and generalized to what at times is the point of near-uselessness; detail of any kind is almost left out entirely in favor of communicating an emotion for motivation rather than instructions for action. Of course that doesn't mean a full detailed vision of an idea still isn't being communicated, just that it's assumed that people who're being conversed with will already know this or somehow are able to receive the extra information through nonverbal means during presentation. I've had one friend who epitomized this, I could be drunk to near gibberish levels and yet she would clearly hear and relate back to me every detail of what I was ranting about at the time even though I hadn't physically said anything more than a few words amongst a sea of verbal diarrhea. When I'd talk with her I noticed how her words were only rough guidelines and that mentally I wasn't responding so much to her words but rather to the stream of audio/visual approximations they triggered within my imagination (The big picture) when I received them. It was quite an odd experience. To an outsider we would seem crazy at first if you listened to us talk. But ask me what we said? I could explain it to you pretty well the second time.

So, for instance, the contradiction by Inelia you mentioned. One could be saying that within its own sphere the soul exists unconditionally by itself regardless and may unconditionally create within itself, but that when interacting with the conscious energy bodies of other beings, such as to incarnate, it must, according to the laws of free will, acquire permission to interact with them starting immediately after separating from source. Mind you, this is just me hypothesizing but a lot of what people imply when they say "look inside yourself" seems to relate to the notion that ultimately everything exists within someone's consciousness energy membrane and therefore the outside is meaningless because it is only inside some other spiritual being who's perhaps a bit larger and more well rounded. So while the soul may unconditionally create within itself and unconditionally exist, it is limited to what it knows and therefore to further grow it must enter into these many contracts for purposes of growing its knowledge (after all, why would someone else agree to let you enter their world if you offered them nothing? These beings may be every bit as odd and diverse with their beliefs as humanity only in new ways we can't yet even imagine) and therefore creative ability so that when it returns it will have what it needs. So focusing within and perfecting personality in this case would be of primary importance as this would allow you to far more easily make the arrangements to grow in other ways that would enable you to get ever continuously larger and more able to create what you desired within yourself (to the point of perhaps at some level literally being able to create a physical reality inside yourself.)

Supposing this were what she meant (and I certainly wouldn't be in a position to know) then the contradiction would be entirely created by the poor choice of language used when expressing the concepts. Namely that the term unconditional was not properly qualified in her statements. Given what I've encountered with my right-brained friends in the past I'd be inclined to say this may be what is happening in some of these cases.

[9eagle9]

So, for instance, the contradiction by Inelia you mentioned. One could be saying that within its own sphere the soul exists unconditionally by itself regardless and may unconditionally create within itself, but that when interacting with the conscious energy bodies of other beings, such as to incarnate, it must, according to the laws of free will, acquire permission to interact with them starting immediately after separating from source.

It very well could, however there is nothing preventing our gurus from further clarifying their contradictions in terms.

If one looks at things from a purely material point of view it will certainly contradict something that is expressed subconsciously, which is part of the problem .....people inadvertently leak what is going on in their subconscious.

A lot of programming is based on 'just accepting contradictions' without examining them to see how they oppose each other or how they are going to be received by others.

The Critical Barrier, as used in hypnosis, accepts anything as long as it has heard it before. Bad lies, nice sounding lies, it accepts anything but the truth which it is very Critical of . It burps these contradictions back up either verbally or textually with the same lack of discernment. If there is some truthful inner intuitive source it will not accept what that intuition has to say.

Then the contradictions are just past forward loaded to be accepted by other's critical barriers.

Logically though its the observers fault for observing the contradictions

That too is old programming, if for thousands of years we've had something (god, the devil, angels, our parents, boss, etc) monitoring everything we do and alway sin authority over us, they would have also had to assumed responsibility for us. People have been conditioned in this way not to be responsible for themselves.

Social programming has instilled in us that we are supposed to overlook people's fake paws which may not be responsible to others. On a another website I got a lot of knickers in a twist correcting a woman who was recommending arsenic for bruises. I suggested that perhaps she meant arnica. But people are not supposed to be corrected )it opposes the social programming of just overlooking whatever anything comes unraveling out of someone's mouth. Better yet politely agree with it. there's still a whole lot of plain old social conditioning of this nature.

In new age religions responsibility is reduced to always being nice and managing others feelings for them, which gives them a false sense of power or restraint and even holiness. Treating other's nicely, which I suppose means letting unwitting people eat arsonic because you can't correct the issuer. That is considered stealing their power.

Same old paradigm , 'a sort of love your neighbor' corrupted into something that is anything but. There is really nothing wrong with the heart centered precepts of the Bible or even Christianity but for the fact they are just words now. And most of the 'on paper' sentiments have been corrupted to mean something else. It's generally given that sin wasn't the damning moral error that it was always presented as but meant in the etymology of the time, missing the mark or falling short of some established standard. Sin had to be very elusive and contradictory in nature, there could never be a time when something was clearly a sin and something clearly was not. It was pretty much established by design that sin should always keep people on their toes and always live in fear that they were unwittingly sinning.

Very likely this was to hide the rotten underpinnings of the Catholic Church, so while the priests were sodomizing altar boys the Congressional bore the greater amount of the wrong doing when they accidentally thought about their next door neighbors boobs. There was no difference between the sins of thought and the sins of the physical and it was designed to be that way so you were ****ed coming and going.

Programming has always depended on changing the meanings of words or rather dis-qualifying their original intent.

Easy to do in an increasingly illiterate society, that takes the meanings of words not by their original definition but by how others define them.

[RedeZra]

Jesus is not a mere man

like the Old Testament Nephilim were not mere men


Jesus has God the Spirit as Father

while the Nephilim had spirits or angels as fathers


Jesus died and his Spirit went up to the third heaven or Paradise

while the spirits of the dead Nephilim became terrestrial demons


this we do not learn in school or watch on television

but that doesn't mean it's not true



actually Jesus went up to Paradise with His glorified body

the resurrection of the flesh or the spiritualisation of His physical body


as it is Jesus has been given all authority by God the Spirit

and nobody not one comes to God except through Him


if we forsake Jesus then we forsake eternal life

and that's just how it is

[wynderer]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uXZistami3c

[9eagle9]

This isn't really a post about the validity of theology; it's comparative in nature.

The OP intended to use Jesus as a subject that was overwhelmed or masked by archonic energy, not the validity of Jesus himself as a man or a god.

Repeating that Jesus went to the third heaven doesn't correct the archonic influence that infiltrated his accounts afterwards.

Anything that is learned is probably not true either for that matter.


anything that is expressed may be accepted as truth because expression provides evidence.

[RedeZra]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
This isn't really a post about the validity of theology; it's comparative in nature.

that's okay as i'm not a theologian

i'm looking at the evidences to back up my claims

and i have found evidences in abundance

that Jesus is the Truth the Way and the Life

the Living God

[9eagle9]

Jesus himself said he was not the only way. He demonstrated as much in the Bible.

[RedeZra]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Jesus himself said he was not the only way. He demonstrated as much in the Bible.

not so and this is an important point

Jesus is the one and only way to God


the rest are snares and deceptions

by he who decieves the whole world


without Jesus one must be very righteous

to even be considered Paradise material

[9eagle9]

Then Everyone is ****ed because Jesus has been gone for ..oh.....2000 years. Not to mention those who have no idea who Jesus is therefore would never be able to find their way through him. That is very elitist attitude that was posited well after Jesus was out of the picture.

If that were true there would have been no point in Jesus being a teacher and passing on what he knew so that others could become the way.

Not to mention that Heaven may be just another illusionary after physical death state , much the same as this one.

Jesus' expectation for mankind was to know more than he did.

And Redezra the more you quote, the more I can break it down. Now I have no beef with Jesus, I do see the contradictions in main stream Christianity. If you do not want your knickers in a wad, I suggest you do not attempt to sway this post from it's original intention because it will be you who ends up upset. I understand the moment an exploration is sought to push the boundaries of what was previously revealed, someone has to step up and distract others from it from repeating tired old quotes,but it will not occur here.

The Apostles questioned Jesus, there was no prohibition to it and there will be no prohibition of it here. No one is seeking to diminish Jesus, one is seeking to find what diminished Jesus after the fact.

Are we very very clear on that?

If we are not I can make myself much clearer.

[RedeZra]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
If you do not want your knickers in a wad, I suggest you do not attempt to sway this post from it's original intention because it will be you who ends up upset.

oh you want only to read your opinions about Jesus in this thread

fine i have said what is in my heart so i leave this thread to you

but try not to diminish Him will you

[Billy]

Redezra there are millions of Christians on this planet and many non Christians who have a relationship with Jesus. Muslims and Hindu's included and for every Christian there is a different Jesus. You see people create their own Jesus through whatever believe system they choose to follow.

Now the Jesus i know said, "The kingdom of heaven is within you" therefore to access this Kingdom you go within, also he said, "You also will do what i do and even greater things" Therefore he tells us he is our equal.

So amongst the millions of Jesus's Redezra, your Jesus is yours and yours alone.

9Eagle9 i often wonder about the contradictions/dualities in the bible like you posted in an earlier post above. That these contradictions were because the Elohim were many beings and not one God like the churches would like us to believe, So because there were many" Gods" with different veiwpoints and agendas we now have this contradiction in the bible. Revengful, angry jealous God compaired to the Loving forgiving caring compassionate God, Two different Elohim dont you think.

Peace

[wynderer]

'The last shall be first, & the first shall be last'
to enter the Kingdom of Heaven , riding on the Seventh Wave, following the Christ Who doesn't care what you call Him or what you believe about Him, as long as you have the love & purity of the little children & the animals --

& led there, into 5D & beyond, by the little children & all the animals, & those in turn led by all the tortured, raped, unwanted, unloved little children & animals -- the last in the eyes of this world -- the first in the eyes of the Creator

Posted by wynderer (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uXZistami3c

[9eagle9]

The thread isn't about opinions about Jesus, its pretty self evident what Jesus was; we are talking about over carry programming from Christianity.

[9eagle9]

If Jesus is as omnipotent as you claim he is I doubt there's anything that I am going to do say to magically change that.

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Jesus himself said he was not the only way. He demonstrated as much in the Bible.

not so and this is an important point

Jesus is the one and only way to God


the rest are snares and deceptions

by he who decieves the whole world


without Jesus one must be very righteous

to even be considered Paradise material