Jesus the man / JESUS the Archon – inspired by Houman’s Horus-Ra thread

[9eagle9]

It's pretty evident that if read the Bible and then compare that with Source Experience you are going to see a different number of entities at work there claiming to be God.

People get tied up with Archonic entities know that seduce them into thinking they are Gods (or something else) , it stands to reason that the same thing would have occurred thing considering how many human sources were chosen to compile the Bible. It is evidential there's a lot of filtering there and those authors who compiled the Bible , risked having the same distorted perception as anyone else or perhaps just a political bug up their arse. One would understand a few had an agenda, some probably claimed to be enlightened, a lot of them probably never experienced Jesus, and a lot of it is just fill in and parables that had nothing to do with religion but were just historical episodes.

Posted by billyji (here)
Redezra there are millions of Christians on this planet and many non Christians who have a relationship with Jesus. Muslims and Hindu's included and for every Christian there is a different Jesus. You see people create their own Jesus through whatever believe system they choose to follow.

Now the Jesus i know said, "The kingdom of heaven is within you" therefore to access this Kingdom you go within, also he said, "You also will do what i do and even greater things" Therefore he tells us he is our equal.

So amongst the millions of Jesus's Redezra, your Jesus is yours and yours alone.

9Eagle9 i often wonder about the contradictions/dualities in the bible like you posted in an earlier post above. That these contradictions were because the Elohim were many beings and not one God like the churches would like us to believe, So because there were many" Gods" with different veiwpoints and agendas we now have this contradiction in the bible. Revengful, angry jealous God compaired to the Loving forgiving caring compassionate God, Two different Elohim dont you think.

Peace

[Billy]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It's pretty evident that if read the Bible and then compare that with Source Experience you are going to see a different number of entities at work there claiming to be God.

People get tied up with Archonic entities know that seduce them into thinking they are Gods (or something else) , it stands to reason that the same thing would have occurred thing considering how many human sources were chosen to compile the Bible. It is evidential there's a lot of filtering there and those authors who compiled the Bible , risked having the same distorted perception as anyone else or perhaps just a political bug up their arse. One would understand a few had an agenda, some probably claimed to be enlightened, a lot of them probably never experienced Jesus, and a lot of it is just fill in and parables that had nothing to do with religion but were just historical episodes.

Posted by billyji (here)
9Eagle9 i often wonder about the contradictions/dualities in the bible like you posted in an earlier post above. That these contradictions were because the Elohim were many beings and not one God like the churches would like us to believe, So because there were many" Gods" with different veiwpoints and agendas we now have this contradiction in the bible. Revengful, angry jealous God compaired to the Loving forgiving caring compassionate God, Two different Elohim dont you think.

Peace

The Jesus part was for Redezra Eagle.

This post above was my actual question Eagle. I know the Elohim were not Gods but humanity made them into Gods. And the Elohim's ego seemed to enjoy that position. Were the Elohim Archons ?

[9eagle9]

It seems pretty evidential that the Elohim were archons. Walk like a duck, act like a duck, etc...

[wynderer]

The Beatitudes

3 'How blest are those who know that they are poor,
the kingdom of Heaven is theirs.
4 How blest are the sorrowful;
they shall find consolation.
5 How blest are those of a gentle spirit;
they shall have the earth for their possession.
6 How blest are those who hunger and thirst to see right prevail;
they shall be satisfied.
7 How blest are those who show mercy;
mercy shall be shown to them.
8 How blest are those whose hearts are pure;
they shall see God.
9 How blest are the peacemakers;
God shall call them his sons.
10 How blest are those who have suffered persecution for the cause of right;
the kingdom of Heaven is theirs.

Jesus

Posted by wynderer (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uXZistami3c

[ljwheat]

From Billy Graham to your local bible tooter, they all start in Genesis, there are several pages in that book before Genesis that are never read-- or referred to-- mosty ignored completely and its origin. Checking its origin and researching the time, culture, and people, when it was compiled reveales, facts that never hit the pulpit or Sunday school.

I went to one of there principal schools in L.A. Cal. Moody bible institute, 3 years in New Testament Greek, as I too had some unsettling questions about origins and religions as you do.

What an eye opener, as Avalonians we consider our selves awake compared to main stream society. Its no different in the spiritual community and bible thumpers, like night and day.

I’ve heard many preachers and pastors after going threw the New testament class at moody after words, that it’s a wonder more students and pasters don’t loose there religion after finding out the actual truth of what took place so many years ago.

I can't go into 3 years of study with you here, but can give a few examples of the distortions in belief rampant in today religious movement. For one English and Greek language do not have the same meaning, and are not transferable/but have been threw ignorance, pride and money.

This book was never supposed to be put together as a book- it was a compiling of documents, songs, statements, letters, and disclosers of written law. It was peace’d together at the request of the King, trying to come up with a one time; one place; one explanation of religious rulings under one roof; one file one kingdom.

As like in Ireland present day catholic and protestant factions could not agree or get along, the king thought this would quell the disputes once and for all as it was a decree of the Crown and Kingship it would be law. If it wasn’t in this new formulated book of law then it wasn’t fact or truth and to this day; many will ask you do you believe the bible is the hole true and living words of God. This is were that came from; you swore on it as law; decreed by the king or lost your head in that day, like code enforcement is now today; only for religions to live up too, instead of having hundreds of factions, disputes, and wars;-- over what end you crack your boiled eggs from.

All this is traceable and documented except in the pulpit, or Sunday school classes of today. 99.99% of bible totters have not read those pages before Genesis let alone ask there pastor a question on this. Bottom line its just a business no different than the corporations that rule the world now. it’s a corporate law book for the church.

Just a quick question here, then I’ll give a couple other examples of origin, “In what book or bible was Jesus, or any of the disciples speaking out of?” that’s right! There were none.

The word prayer in Greek simply means communicate. So that means I’m praying to you right now.

The word church in Greek means any where one or more are communicating to each other.

The word Christian was a cuss word for the people who were following what was called the “WAY” things that were invisible and had no earthy words to explain, and parables were used to liken too, or point too, or refer too the unseen spirit of God and man in our unseen likeness we will create man, the water balloon this unseen spirit was being pointed to by the “Way” Sayers. Christian’s the term is no different than the “N” word is used to day labeling a class of people, then to as is now. You here the “N” word used lovingly among the culture that’s taken it as its own , and proud to call you my “N” if you are one. And so to once Christian was a cuss word, now proudly brandished by those who carry the code enforcement book.

Revelations is not the last book in the new testament, its old testament Witten around the same time the Book of Denial was recorded. But since it speaks of end times;-- and at the end of it, state so fittingly any who take from these writings that same shall be taken from his life,, how so convenient for a end book.

You shall live by every word that proceeded out of the mouth of a living God. Not out of a book formulated by a king’s decree.

In the little letter of st john second chapter around there; he’s telling people he’s witting to the people of time; that in tears I write these words; this that I fear should fall into the hand of the enemy, should they read an now the truth, (should not be written) face to face person to person was these truths passed to those who have eyes -- see, and those who have ears -- hear these word that let no man teach you of anything, that the spirit that is with in you shall teach you of all things, and is no lie. For that which is given is the unseen spirit we hold to be true and just.

Just like watching a presidential address, after you have listened with open heart and understanding to each and every word spoken. STOP -- wait now listen to this clown news reporter and all his experts --- here is what the president really said. Its still going on, leave this out, put this in, readajust it politically, rearrange it for the layman, build a sermon around how it could work in this day and age, bring forward only what will work in our belief and for get about those who believe different: its never stopped.

When Jesus said: do not pray before men. But you go in secret and speak with your father who is in secret all those things you think you have need of.
What don’t people understand about two little words; Do Not.---- Oh that’s for some one else, all kinds of excuses.

Jesus was not religious either, the hole entire 23rd chapter of Matthew he talks of this. Wo unto you Sadducees and Pharisees, zealots, and religious leaders of that time. Following the code enforcements and laws written in his time period --- no different than today.

Why do you marvel at these things I speak and show you openly, for you if you only have faith in the invisible living GOD; you and the living invisible God I keep telling you about. You shall do even greater things than these? If unseen things can not be conveyed by words, why would you build a book of them? So the book of parable’s should be the title.

Point at the invisible you, try to see this you that’s invisible and put words to this truth; that you are; but not explainable, then you begin to see why it was never meant to be in writing as it takes one skilled in vision of the unseen to point at it. Not a book. A book can not see your path, or which parable would allow you to know these perals of wisdom of the “WAY” so yes spellbound ask and you shall fine just don’t ask the preacher’s that have commandeered this thread to use as there personal pulpit.

Christ came to empower you not to preach to you. Look in the spirit that is in you; it shall teach you of all things. Its in your spirit not in a book. John XXX

[9eagle9]

Excellent post.

More basically put when people get in a twist about the whole thing, its wise to remember that Jesus and Christianity and the Bible are the same thing and are only very loosely related to each other.

Post up date.

Should read are NOT the same thing...

[Billy]

ljwheat, thank you.

peace

[Chester]

My opinion only – not meant to written up to become anyone else’s view

jesus (if the man that the legend of jesus was actually created from had actually lived) may have been an exceptional human being. My gut tells me the man probably did exist and my gut tells me he was quite exceptional. But that is just my gut (which may also be clouded by hope).

And now this – reader beware

I draw my conclusions about reality based on my personal experience. I do not take others people’s word for anything at face value. I do have folks in my life I trust, but until I have direct experience, I do not attach to any potential truth. Even when I have direct experience, I never count on anything that I established as truth such that it is written in stone and can never change. I was not alive when the jesus guy was said to have lived. I do not know he ever actually existed. If he did exist, I do not know the truth of his life nor if he was author of any of the words attributed to him nor the acts attributed to him.

But for me, that we live in a world where the source of our creation would have to send some special being to die on some cross for my redemption is truly the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. But if creation, by its very nature creates one or more enlightened beings throughout history which assist in our ability to discover who/what we are (and do so primarily by example)… something most of us may have forgotten along the way, I see that as a dynamic of creation. If jesus did live as they say a few thousand years ago, perhaps he was of this nature.

Yet, from my life’s experience, I can see how a false messiah could be created and I believe I have discovered, first hand, the various components that combine to assist in this type of creation.

Only within the last 30 days has the missing piece been revealed.

This is why I never went public regarding my own messiah complex. I am ready to do so now because I have confirmed well enough for myself that the development of my own messiah complex was at least in part due to archontic forces. The following explains all this.

I now conclude I have personally and specifically been a target of archontic forces. I probably still am but I believe I now have the upper hand in this struggle due to my knowledge and acceptance of what happened to me and what still may attempt to influence me.

I just discovered this highly likely explanation on April 26th 2012. I give credit for this discovery to myself for being ready to accept the likely possibility, to the Avalon forum and specifically to Houman’s Horus-Ra thread. I also thank myself for always having the tiniest shred of doubt.

I am 54 years old. From the age of my earliest memories (early childhood), I have been influenced by these forces. The attack took a specific form (which was a decades long endeavor) – the attempt to instill a messianic complex within me.

For this specific form of attack, these forces did the following:

They created circumstances in my life which when considered, could lead one to believe they were the reincarnation of a previous messiah figure, in my case jesus.

They influenced my thoughts such that I would come upon the evidence in perfect timing with what I would be contemplating as possibility in the midst of my own internal conversations.

I cannot assume others do what I do, but I often have conversations with myself in my head. These archontic beings would occasionally take charge of one or more of the “me” voices in the course of my conversations with myself. Thinking I am talking to myself, I would contemplate various facts. The facts would often be coincidences with supposed facts (or at least storyline facts) of jesus. These storyline facts were not restricted to the bible. Many came from the gospels found in the Nag Hammadi library as well.

In this dynamic I would be having a conversation with myself where I would be led to facts about myself that an unsuspecting person (like I was) would possibly come to erroneous conclusions. I dealt with this type of experience throughout my life.

Since I am a reasonably decent mathematician, I was able to calculate the all but mathematical impossibility of the occurrences of the facts in combination with what my inner thoughts were as they arose.

Now here is the most compelling component of this type of experience. Often I would come upon a fact about my life (generally an already established fact) that would support the developing theory. At the moment I would experience the a-ha, something external to myself would arise within my awareness that was clearly and directly related to my mental consideration such that it seemed as if “god, itself” was confirming for me that I was indeed on the right track.

Beginning in August 2010, I entered a phase of my life where this type of experience was occurring dozens of times a week and sometimes dozens of times in a single day. I was able to document hundreds of these experiences. My psi abilities rose to a level I had never experienced before by several magnitudes.

Because I wanted my family and friends to see I was not crazy, and to experience what I was experiencing as these events occurred, I began to develop a talent such that I could create the environment from which all but impossible synchronicities would arise. Synchronicity is a psi experience many have encountered. I believe synchronicity creation is a talent most if not all humans possess to varying degrees. I also believe that since most of us are unaware of this latent ability, it rarely occurs or is rarely noticed. When it does occur, we generally brush it off. Sometimes, though, some of us develop this talent further and this (in my theory at least) is where the archontic forces are able to take advantage.

It is a generally accepted fact in physics that the observer affects the reality as it arises. This is provable in experiments such as the Double Slit experiment. With this fact in mind, it would not surprise me that we can create amazing synchronistic experiences. The monkey wrench enters the picture when archontic forces manipulate the data and/or manipulate the thoughts we have when we consider that data. With this in mind, I am able to conclude that the archontic forces manipulated my interpretation. I believe it is possible the archons even have the capability of entering into the actual reality and influence it such that an individual could be led to such conclusions that are central to the acceleration of a messianic complex. This is what I experienced.

In other words, it seemed as if god was telling me (screaming at me) that I was the return of this individual and made the point clear by placing me in situations where all but impossible synchronicities would occur that directly related to this possibility. Fortunately I always retained a tiny degree of doubt there was another possible explanation.

I could write a book full of actual experiences (many of which are supported by real time documentation) that would lead the reader to understand why I considered myself to be the reincarnation of, or the second coming of jesus. I knew mental institutions were filled with folks who had similar considerations. The streets are filled with schizophrenics who think the same thing. I knew there had to be some other explanation.

I will reiterate, this is not a consideration I now maintain. The purpose in writing a post about all this is to suggest that this very same type of experience is what may be behind the messiah’s of the past as well as some of our current potential messiah types of today. This includes Drake and Wilcock, etc. I do not mean to discount anything they say or report. I also do not mean to imply that if they have indeed recognized they may be influenced by a messianic complex that they have not dealt with it.

I also want to make it clear that I am not stating all of the above is absolute truth or fact or 100% correct conclusion – it is simply my own current conclusions based on my experience. To see an example of another individual (well known at that) who clearly has entered into a psychosis based on a messianic complex foundation – watch this video of Leo Zagami –

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM

Again, I am only stating that based on my experience and based on the new information I have obtained about the various levels of these archontic forces… all the way from a demiurge to the first level of (some say) 7 archontic beings to the level of EDs and or ETS who have either consciously aligned with the upper levels (the archons and the demiurge) or have allowed themselves to be taken over by various upper levels of these archontic forces – that one of their tactics is to create messiahs as this in turn generally creates religions or movements, all of which are control vehicles over the masses and which allows these forces to continuously regenerate the emotional states of the target beings - in our case, the human race on earth at this time - which is nothing more than their food supply. I am uncertain how archontic control could affect other life forms on earth directly, but we can certainly see how we humans are a massive (and often negative) influence upon the rest of the life forms on earth including earth itself.

As of April 26th, 2012, when the big a-ha occurred where I felt all but certain this is likely what has been happening with me since I was a child, my life changed instantly and dramatically. It is truly like I have freed my soul. Now I realize that I am like a newly sober alcoholic. I have stopped “drinking” but I have a long road (likely the rest of my life) to recover, but the big weight has been lifted.

Having had this experience, I am able to see the likelihood that a similar process has been used to create messiahs in the past and could very well be behind some of the pseudo messiahs in our modern era. I conclude that any human being that has been considered to be a messiah/a savior is likely a human being that has been influenced by these archontic forces.

In some cases, the messiah figure may actually have turned the tables on the archontic forces – perhaps jesus (if he really existed) did this, but for me, he was still just a human being like all the rest of us.

In the future I plan on creating a document which recounts my own experiences which led me to the conclusion over the years that I was jesus returned. Hopefully, the reader will understand how a person can go through this experience and come to that type of conclusion. I would never be able to write about this if I had not been able to draw the now current conclusion that I was not the return of this legend. My soul is in my hands now that I am aware I was likely manipulated into this previous conclusion by archontic forces. Still, the story evidence is quite compelling and I am fairly certain the reader would understand why I came to those original, fortunately incorrect conclusions.

I now need to make my point as to why I shared my personal experience that led me to my conclusions as to what has played a significant and negative role in my life - the archons and their minions.

These beings along with our own complicity (and I emphasize our own responsibility in the current collective experience on earth) have created and continue to foster the circumstances we now experience that places many on earth in state of unnecessary suffering. We can do better and we know it. My hope is that by knowing our apparent adversary, we can overcome this adversary - the archontic forces at all their levels.

The bars on our prison take many forms. It is my opinion the number one prison bar is religion. There is no stronger bar. That the archons have been adept at creating the messiahs from which religions spring forth is significant.

Knowing their influence and knowing of the scam this influence creates and perpetuates can at least begin to dismantle this powerful prison bar. That has been the intention of my post.

It is no coincidence the number one reason that has been given to insiders as to why the PTBs do not want to disclose about extra-terrestrials is because of what that would do to most religions.

One last opinion… and something that was easily predicted is instant knee jerk reactionary posts by some who I am all but certain are under heavy influence of these same archontic forces. I won’t name these posters names but any reader of this thread can easily pick them out.

To this poster, angels and demons are the same thing only perceived differently by a deluded individual. If you are a child of god, immortal and eternal, and you know it, you don’t need any angel to help you and you can ignore or repel any demon you attract into your sphere of awareness.

Edit: Just to give you an example of how this archontic force works, I just noticed the post number of my post - which is # 28. If anyone knows about perfect numbers, the first perfect number is 6 and the second perfect number is 28 ... hahaha second perfect number / second coming... see how that force likes to play? trust me, I am justonehuman.

[9eagle9]

That is extraordinary JOM.

The entire reason I came to Avalon was that I knew someone who had undergone that sort of attack. Because I'm a medium in a sense I observed when the implant occured. What resulted from that was a person who got deeply entrenched in the Messiah complex and was going to target Bill Ryan so that Bill could do something or another for them. The thing with Messiah complex people if you play the game with them, they spill all their programming unconsciously, so I listened and listened (as I was supposed to serve this Messiah too) . Now this a person who claimed to know me well....but there's people on this forum who barely me know me but still know me well enough that i'm really all that anxious to 'serve' someone (even dinner for that matter...he he) Still this person has this story going on in their head that blots out the obvious, and what is previously known. It was just taken for granted he was going to gather up a herd of people to follow and serve him. He even managed to be quite apologetic about it. ..lol.

I joined Avalon curious to see who that would play out but oops, someone (lots of somebodies) were already attempting to infiltrate Bill ...lol.

that's when I got even nastier little messages, like "You can't do anything about it'

Right I can't. It's all about the choices people make.

I have those sorts of thoughts as well but always countered them with WHY? Why me? That sort of thoughtform doesn't much care for that response. Which is how I became a clear medium, by challenging every 'intuitive' thought I had. "yeah really, your an angel? show me the evidence. Get this straight I'm the medium, your the messenger, I am in no way subordinate to you, you are a MESSENGER....I'm calling the shots. "

Well wow did a lot of thoughts shut up then....he he. Re claimation of self and one's self authority is what keeps them at bay.

On that note though I have listened to these thoughts the same way I listened to the archonicallly programmed. I didn't cave into them but listened to them because there's a great deal to be known through listening, like where is this going? What trap would the unwitting step into if the were to by into this.

Between March 2010 and August 2010 that was a very energetically decisive time. It was at that point where it made known to me that basically the cards had been slapped on the table and those who were going to make it were determined by their own choices and those who were not going to were just going to enter into another loop of programming. Making it , simply meant coming ot a point of previously unknown awareness.

It was shortly before August of 2010 that decided to take silent retreat and hear no voices but my own.

I've always found the reaction to me doing this jaw dropping. when I made it known to family friends and even casual acquaintances that I was just going to drop out for a month or so , the feedback I got was astounding. I couldn't have had more of a protest if I had stated that I was going to pull a gun and shoot myself in the head. EVERYONE was so threatened by the notion of me just dropping out of the whirl of things for a few weeks. Even people I hadn't heard from in years were hounding me. Why? What's wrong. You can't do that. Is something wrong with you? What about us?

Well...what about you.

My month of silent contemplation ended up as several weeks of arguing with people, fielding about fifty more phone calls than I get in a day and generally being amazed at why people who know I'm a rather spiritual person , would react to what I percieve as a common spiritual practice. Like taking a sweat lodge or a vision quest, what is the big deal here?

Finally in August with not having any silence or retreat I laid down the law and told everyone, If you don't ****ing leave me alone, grant me the peace to do this, I will emerge from this retreat and I will never , ever speak to you again.

I have kept that promise. Because that was ****ed up beyond comprehension.

I realized much later that precisely what was occurring . Even though I had not accepted the whole messiah thing (why?) that program was playing in the heads of others so when the 'messiah' (their determination not mine) decide to take a chill pill, all hell broke loose. An energetic hammer that was attempting to pound me psychologically had failed so resulted in physical interference people physically and in the material world attempting to convince me of this.

i have also met people with great potential for manifestation, tapping into the creation matrix, that have been attacked in such a fashion until they are simply helpless in their own lives. I am obviously not a messiah but ..I am someone how could help them navigate that sort of treachery , if they were willing, and then be able to come out on the other side of it.

Every one of those people have had some mysterious means of manipulation that steers them away from me. They magically appear in my life, and then just as suddenly are manuevered away in some awful fashion that results in a great deal of pain as they are steered from solid ground, over a cliff, further driving them into their own hell of alien/ archonic influence. Some people just seemingly destroyed by it all.

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
So, for instance, the contradiction by Inelia you mentioned. One could be saying that within its own sphere the soul exists unconditionally by itself regardless and may unconditionally create within itself, but that when interacting with the conscious energy bodies of other beings, such as to incarnate, it must, according to the laws of free will, acquire permission to interact with them starting immediately after separating from source.

It very well could, however there is nothing preventing our gurus from further clarifying their contradictions in terms.

I know, I actually wanted to go to one of the many conventions here in LA...until I found out they cost at least $300 to get in. I would be interested to meet these people and ask my own questions, but sheesh, I don't have that kind of green. ^_^;;

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
If one looks at things from a purely material point of view it will certainly contradict something that is expressed subconsciously, which is part of the problem .....people inadvertently leak what is going on in their subconscious.

A lot of programming is based on 'just accepting contradictions' without examining them to see how they oppose each other or how they are going to be received by others.

The Critical Barrier, as used in hypnosis, accepts anything as long as it has heard it before. Bad lies, nice sounding lies, it accepts anything but the truth which it is very Critical of . It burps these contradictions back up either verbally or textually with the same lack of discernment. If there is some truthful inner intuitive source it will not accept what that intuition has to say.

Then the contradictions are just past forward loaded to be accepted by other's critical barriers.

Logically though its the observers fault for observing the contradictions

Well of course! if you don't observe the contradiction it doesn't exist! Just like if you close your eyes you can walk straight through LA traffic! ;p

To be fair to everyone else, I think a lot of that upsetness comes from other forms of emotional trauma or stress. I've been watching myself as I untangle my own knots (or as I tend to call them, mimetic landmines) that often function as triggers which surface painful negative emotional memoires. It can be overwhelming even if you know what to expect. I do deep breathing myself to keep calm and there are times I'll spend maybe up to 30 minutes focusing on taking steady, safe, deep breaths just to keep my mind off of whatever was triggered (so it'll go away.)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
That too is old programming, if for thousands of years we've had something (god, the devil, angels, our parents, boss, etc) monitoring everything we do and alway sin authority over us, they would have also had to assumed responsibility for us. People have been conditioned in this way not to be responsible for themselves.

Social programming has instilled in us that we are supposed to overlook people's fake paws which may not be responsible to others. On a another website I got a lot of knickers in a twist correcting a woman who was recommending arsenic for bruises. I suggested that perhaps she meant arnica. But people are not supposed to be corrected )it opposes the social programming of just overlooking whatever anything comes unraveling out of someone's mouth. Better yet politely agree with it. there's still a whole lot of plain old social conditioning of this nature.

In new age religions responsibility is reduced to always being nice and managing others feelings for them, which gives them a false sense of power or restraint and even holiness. Treating other's nicely, which I suppose means letting unwitting people eat arsonic because you can't correct the issuer. That is considered stealing their power.

There's something to be said for tact, you can both be nice and be honest at the same time. I try to walk a line depending on who I talk to and whether I think it'll work. It's not a sure thing, and I've run into enough people who are proud of their willful intent to remain ignorant that I also know the powerful uses of sarcasm...for instance it tastes delicious on rye with mayo! :D

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Same old paradigm , 'a sort of love your neighbor' corrupted into something that is anything but. There is really nothing wrong with the heart centered precepts of the Bible or even Christianity but for the fact they are just words now. And most of the 'on paper' sentiments have been corrupted to mean something else. It's generally given that sin wasn't the damning moral error that it was always presented as but meant in the etymology of the time, missing the mark or falling short of some established standard. Sin had to be very elusive and contradictory in nature, there could never be a time when something was clearly a sin and something clearly was not. It was pretty much established by design that sin should always keep people on their toes and always live in fear that they were unwittingly sinning.

Very likely this was to hide the rotten underpinnings of the Catholic Church, so while the priests were sodomizing altar boys the Congressional bore the greater amount of the wrong doing when they accidentally thought about their next door neighbors boobs. There was no difference between the sins of thought and the sins of the physical and it was designed to be that way so you were ****ed coming and going.

Programming has always depended on changing the meanings of words or rather dis-qualifying their original intent.

Easy to do in an increasingly illiterate society, that takes the meanings of words not by their original definition but by how others define them.

One of the very few times I had a productive discussion with my mother was on this very subject. I like to leave her little clues to see if she'll try to look outside her closed-off Jehova's Witness bubble the rare times we might speak over the phone; I mentioned about how even if not one word were changed in the bible since the time it was written the entire meaning could still be destroyed culturally by redefining the meanings of important words. But of course, the bible was edited, many times, seeing as the Church and state functioned as one organ for much of history many times it was altered to suit the current interests of whomever was holding the throne, or I'm sure, was pope.

The one thing that's rather precarious in this is that I'm sure there's a lot of twisting and deception that's woven it's way into a lot of our history, what do you trust? What do you believe in? People can say "Trust yourself" but that falls short if you consider that people could quite easily be conditioned to have a counter-intuition that ends up sabotaging rather than aiding their efforts. The lecture in the Horus-Ra thread on ritual abuse and alters clued me in to just how elaborate and hard-to-beat you could make that. As a programer myself, I already see the potentials for elaborate forms of innocuous harm. I've had "bursts" of ideas pop into my mind that were quite insightful, and others that were quite pants-on-head crazy; which makes one wonder if others may even have it worse. That's also why I think it's worthwhile to listen to everything and consider as many angles as you can. Even channeled messages may have a lot of useful information buried underneath if you're willing to read, compare and question what's being said. All we have are words, and no real means to verify trust except for more words, so like it or not we may never have a definitive answer so long as that is all we have, mere words and no "hard evidence."

So writing off entire swathes of people, theories or ideas as evil, deluded or whatever and not paying critical attention to the message and meaning conveyed is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Just like you make a photo from a negative, sometimes even knowing what is definitely not true can be a valuable tool in figuring out what is. But only by really comparing/contrasting messages is that possible. Granted, this isn't so much directed at you but after witnessing another poster in a different thread getting metaphorically shouted down as a deluded, naive, cultist who couldn't possibly understand the material someone else was presenting enough to legitimately disagree I decided I'd post this.

Rather than name names or make a messy drama by getting more directly involved I'm hoping to illustrate indirectly why doing such a thing was folly. (As I do believe the parties involved will want to read the material in this thread.) So, erm, thanks to you as well as justoneman for giving me that opportunity. This would be one of my own experiments in tact. ^_^

[RedeZra]

Posted by justoneman (here)
To this poster, angels and demons are the same thing only perceived differently by a deluded individual. If you are a child of god, immortal and eternal, and you know it, you don’t need any angel to help you and you can ignore or repel any demon you attract into your sphere of awareness.

interesting post


you have gone deep into the think tank

and figured out that you are not Jesus after all

but just one man on the receiving end of prankster archons


and i have to agree with you

as Jesus has somewhat darker complexion and a beard ; )

[wynderer]

Hi Justoneman -- i'm weaning myself off using all my writing energy on forums [ a 6 -7 yr long habit ], & had decided to start by just posting thoughts etc of possible interest to others, no longer responding to individual posts

but after reading your first post, re the Horus-Ra thing & Eve Lorgen , i have been thinking about you, & your last post decided me to respond

i've felt an affinity w/you from the first -- maybe you remember that when i asked on Houman's Horus-Ra thread if it was there i'd read about a connection between Horus-Ra & abductees, that you answered -- i have a consultation w/Eve Lorgen next month, also

i do not have the messiah complex thing going on -- mine is more like an Eeyore complex [ What's the use... it'll never work anyway...they'll never wake up & listen... ]

i'm wondering if the Messiah complex worldwide is always people thinking they are Jesus -- like, do they have Buddha complexes in Buddhist countries, or Mohammed complexes in Muslim countries - i remember reading that Jerusalem attracts those who think they are Jesus returned [a family reunion of sorts]

all ETs have something to say about Jesus , but not about Buddha, Mohammed, etc -they all seem to want to downplay His being a flesh-&-blood man at one point -- why i don't know

i have told you before that i know you are a good man, but i have always sensed something dark hanging around you also -- if you choose to share your story as it unfolds, i'll read w/interest

i thought i'd post about my own struggles w/the concept of a messiah as this relates to Jesus in the hopes that something i say might 'speak to your condition, ' as Quakers say

i was raised w/no religion, intentionally by my parents because they could see that it was a controlling tool -- &, like you [ & many on Avalon ] spent many years searching for the truth in different religio/spiritual systems

it was in my late 40s that my struggle w/ Jesus really began -- i'd lived long enough, including 2 three -yr -long alcoholic binges, to have gained enough experience to look back & learn from it --
i'm not what is called in AA a 'functioning alcoholic' -- i'm the type that goes out to a bar & wakes up the next day 2 states away in strange company [5 well-tested yrs of sobriety now] & i have put myself in some very dangerous situations

looking back, i saw that whenever my life was REALLY in danger, when my back was totally against the wall, i'd scream out internally, 'Jesus! Help! Help!' -- & He always came & saved my sorry butt -- i have posted elsewhere a bit about these personal experiences -- kind of odd, too, as i did not have any religious programming

i had a real problem w/the Jesus is Lord concept -- i really do not like hierarchical power structures, w/one person at the top -- a friend insisted i do the darshan thing w/Guru Mai, & after i'd bopped my head on the ground in front of her, i popped up, looked her in the eyes, & said , 'Hi!' [she was not pleased]

a term that no one seems to use these days is 'thought forms' -- there are SO many collective thought forms around Jesus that it took me years to get free of them -- for a few years i dragged my poor kids & patient husband from church to church , w/me getting more & more confused --

we finally settled on the Quakers, who tend to be doers instead of talkers & are one of 3 USA denominations who pay attention to Jesus' message of Peace - [ the so-called 'Peace Testimony' denominations ] - i continued exploring other paths also, tho never any of the darkside -- i include magic in that category

[i must say i am proud of my daughter -- when 10 yrs old, she went to a Baptist Bible Day Camp -- a friend's church -- at the end i asked her what she thought -- she looked me in the eyes & said fiercely, 'I DON'T believe every word in the Bible is the word of God!' ]

but there were those personal meetings w/Jesus, as both the Living Christ & as Jesus -- most of my friends being newagers , these were not considered cool experiences to have -- a past life memory was much more interesting, for instance -- but i could not ignore them -- too powerful, too much Love

[edit] most 'Christians' don't want to hear about such personal experiences either -- i don't do massmedia, but when folks tell me about TV preachers, they all seem to ignore the Gospels -- Revelations is big [which makes folks nuts, imo] & the OT [Jehovah a Reptilian, imo -- all those animal sacrifices, & telling the Israelites to wipe out all the males in competing tribes -- a God of Love? i don't think so...]

i have the same distrust you do of psychic experiences/perceptions , having had my mind messed with also

i came to a point in my life when all the written theologies/philosophies/spiritual teachings, old & new, no longer worked for me -- they seemed empty -- & i realized that it was time to figure out what i REALLY knew -- re what i know of the Christ, that's posted at the top of the Sting 7th Wave video

re the brutality of the Crucifixion -- i don't agree w/all that Edgar Cayce says -- but i think he was correct when he said that Jesus took on all the karma of all Humans on this planet , past, present, & what little future remains , when He was on the cross [btw, i was born on a Good Friday] -- i guess He had to feel pain & alienation from the Creator, because so many Humans live that way due to the Matrix & controllers

& the blood -- it likely has something to do w/the Reptilians' obsession w/Human blood, all the way from drinking it to the part it plays in nasty satanic rituals to the great interest shown in Rh neg on threads here [they've given Humans their minds]-- animal sacrifices also, the un-seen & un-mentioned Holocaust continually happening on this planet

it's late -- i'm tired -- hope this made some sense --

wyn

[edit ] -- i also wanted to make clear that i do not see the Living Christ & the Creator as one & the same -- tho [ from my limited/ Matrix-dumbed-down mind/Human brain/body perspective ] Jesus Christ is pretty close in terms of dimensions --

there are true Angels, also -- not the cutesy little tame angels of the newagey variety -- these Beings of Light are very powerful, & you seriously do not want to p.o. these Guys

& as i posted, Christ does not care what you call Him -- it's what's in the heart that counts, & whether or not you walk your talk about Love

Jehovah, on the other hand, was very big on folks kneeling down & saying , 'Lord, you are God,' sometimes under threat of smiting /being smited

[ i read the Bible all the way thru -- every word -- took me 3 yrs, as i read other books along the way -- so i know enough re Jehovah to know that he's a Reptilian ] -

wyn

[Billy]

Wow, thank you all for opening up and expressing your personal experiences. This has touched me.

Peace

[9eagle9]

There tends to be a great deal of difference between Jesus in the Bible and Christianity and Living Christ energy or what others refer to as Christ Counsciousness.

I find it amusing though to have people urge me to find Jesus then are appalled when I do.


Jesus made it obvious that the best part of Jesus wasn't Jesus but Holy Spirit, and people tend to put labels on that when its not something that singular or owned by one PERSon but each PERSons PERSpective tends to re-assign it another value. Someone can own the PERSonal Jesus however they want but that part is the meaningless material body part but Jesus did convey the better part of himself was spirit.

Meaning not a separate energy assigned to one entity but an expression that could be expressed by everyone who chose to find their way back to themselves once whatever prevented its expression was removed--archonic energy and programming.

I haven't had any evidence of God employing Karma to show folks anything. Man creates Karma not God. Spirit would actually break because it is just another program.

I have seen plenty of archonic energies attempt to use Karma as a means to further entrench in the psyche which resulted from archonic energy in the first place.

So what do you trust. Beliefs are legion (he he).

One cannot trust themselves if they are running under a program or an archonic energy.

Why do we have to believe anything? Or trust anything? What is that we want to occur or change in adopting a belief? We tend to adopt a zillion beliefs but WHY?
We are constantly seeking something to trust that is true. But WHY?

Like believing the sun will come up tommorow, by EXPERIENCE though the sun always comes up in the morning but only because the sun never sets in the first place.

Beliefs are really just information. There is no reason why we have to adopt any belief as the truth.

I neither believe nor disbelieve in the Jesus story as depicted in the Bible. The Bible's shows a man, I can't help that or rewrite the Bible but the Bible is showing a mortal man. Poke my eyes out for observing that.

A man who had a life that was lived and ended the same way as 25 other Messiahs before him. This suggest programming, where the same thing happens over and again. This is not evidence enough to suggest Jesus was an archon though. I am about sure though if he is this living embodiment of spirit there was a posses of archonic energies riding his ass, and that too is evidential in the Bible.

That doesn't make me dis-believe in Jesus per say that tells me that his actually story was overlaid by a program. THERE's the interesting part. Why?

I'm inclined to know that perhaps a new experience occurred with Jesus. New experiences only occur when programming has been removed, and another old program was dusted off and plastered on the historical Jesus in order to hide this new experience from the rest of the world.

When one removes their own programing the same old thing stops happening and new things start occurring. Jesus made it obvious in depiction in the bible he had a bug up his ass about the pre-existing beliefs and programming and much of his teaching was showing how that was all programming. Social programming was a direct descendant of that time's religious programming.

An An-ARCH-ist.

Sebastion referred to this manifestation after programmings removal 'as having no point of reference.' Programming has always been our previous point of reference.

Beliefs a are typically a means of establishing a point of reference for one's self.

[ljwheat]

Origin, reference points, foundations, corner stone’s all are glued together by history or OJT ( on the job training ) a blank computer is not a computer, just a shell plugged into a wall socket. Like fossil prints left in sediment long ago, who was it that stepped or made the first imprint in humanities fertile soil. The first step in a journey of a million mile hike is always accepting the movement of thought, the movement like electricity will always take the most direct and least resistance and the shortest route. The first step always showing the way for the second step OJT to take place.

Invisible spirit our essence works outside this OJT or even bound by it. Living, existing inside a basic computer of its limited design, by its original creator ( ? ) moving back into spirit and essence, is ascending out of the box we were stuffed into at step ONE. Like children catching butter fly’s and displaying them in a jar. Who is it that designed this butter fly trap called humanity. Are we not stuck in this endless examination and defining of our jail cell, the a jar? thinking is part of the lock or lid on the jar. it belongs to the trap, not to the essance in the jar. Free the essance not the hole dam jar. John XXX

[Chester]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I haven't had any evidence of God employing Karma to show folks anything. Man creates Karma not God. Spirit would actually break because it is just another program.

I have seen plenty of archonic energies attempt to use Karma as a means to further entrench in the psyche which resulted from archonic energy in the first place.

So what do you trust. Beliefs are legion (he he).

Thanks 9eagle9 - I find it impossible to accept that a loving creator would then throw me into some strange dynamic where I first must forget who/what I am, then must make mistakes (some over and over) that I never learn enough from in my single lifetime such that I have to die, come back, memories erased and try once again to pass all the tests so that eventually I might not have to ride on the merry go round again.

Totally dickriculous.

If there has to be a word "karma" then I would define it as "the reality that chases the ones who lie to themselves"

[Chester]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
To this poster, angels and demons are the same thing only perceived differently by a deluded individual. If you are a child of god, immortal and eternal, and you know it, you don’t need any angel to help you and you can ignore or repel any demon you attract into your sphere of awareness.

interesting post


you have gone deep into the think tank

and figured out that you are not Jesus after all

but just one man on the receiving end of prankster archons


and i have to agree with you

as Jesus has somewhat darker complexion and a beard ; )

and man am I sure glad I am not - still... wait till you read more of this lifelong story and how these archontic forces worked me over. I will have an update soon. Thanks for your posts

[wynderer]

for Justoneman -- i do know what you're up against & how badly a person can be worked over -- at least you are still alive

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=diPeL9AGWXo

[9eagle9]

nope me either. However I could see my dumb arse caroming heedlessly into a weird ass situation like that if I didn't keep a certain amount of awareness at hand. And i do...weekly, similar situations, just not so long term or extreme...lol.

What is viewed as Lucifer's hatred is resentment towards mankind's ability to create. Those who dance to the L tune have only the ability to re-create, replicate or repeat. Mankind does have an ability to create , but mostly stands around with thumb up ass or creates situations for themselves that are about equal to what the L crew would create.

I notice this same sort of resentment directed towards myself from even those who claim to deny this sort of energy so one finds themselves observing a battle on two fronts.


QUOTE=justoneman;491063]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I haven't had any evidence of God employing Karma to show folks anything. Man creates Karma not God. Spirit would actually break because it is just another program.

I have seen plenty of archonic energies attempt to use Karma as a means to further entrench in the psyche which resulted from archonic energy in the first place.

So what do you trust. Beliefs are legion (he he).

Thanks 9eagle9 - I find it impossible to accept that a loving creator would then throw me into some strange dynamic where I first must forget who/what I am, then must make mistakes (some over and over) that I never learn enough from in my single lifetime such that I have to die, come back, memories erased and try once again to pass all the tests so that eventually I might not have to ride on the merry go round again.

Totally dickriculous.

If there has to be a word "karma" then I would define it as "the reality that chases ones who lie to themselves"[/QUOTE]

[Davy]

Why is it when there is a debate involving Christianity we get assaulted by the chosen-people mentality or authoritarian tendencies that Jesus is the only way? If your non intrusive beliefs or actions are not in accord with Christian "morality," then you get the tired old biblical fear-mongering sermon "Jesus is the one and only way to God." Such a brainwashed quotation.