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    If we were to agree that we all are playing a role on this 3D stage of life, then I believe actions require actions rather than thinking thoughts while the other side acts.
    Actually it would work better to think no thoughts at all. To have a completely clear mind. That is when one is in the space of consciousness. That is the space where all creation is manifested from.
    If a big enough group of people were to stay for long enough in this state of mind the other side would no longer be physcially able to act out their crimes. We would see great change. We have been looking outwards for so long that we have forgotten where that world begins. Change the inside and the outside will automatically change with it.

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    So here's a scene ...

    The Vatican actors, elite politician actors and illuminati actors start a bonfire. Then they bring a few babies and beautiful little children from offstage. Then they brutally rape all of them. Then they cut their jugular veins and drink the blood. Then they throw these innocent children into the bonfire. Then they continue their orgy ... laughing and making merry.

    Ok, now we, as the actors playing the awakened group of humanity, come from all over the playhouse onto the stage and thank them for their service to humanity for what they just did to the children.
    You are still thinking in terms of duality. I have tried to explain in many different ways the concept of them/us. They are one and the same. This group of people is you. Once this primary concept is understood nobody will have thoughts of destruction anymore.


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    If I were writing the script --- at least for me, Alie --- I would have Alie come from back stage with a sword and behead them.
    That which you hate you become. By this logic, if murder requires the action of murder, someone would then have to murder you for your crime, and then we'd have to murder them for murdering you...it never ends. Unless we choose to end this cycle. Even if you beheaded them, they would just re-appear in different bodies as different groups of people doing the same thing. And you'd reincarnate and kill them again and this would carry on for eons until all concerned learnt a way to end the cycle. And it has been carrying on for eons. Look at history. It's all a repitition of the same scenario.

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    I think the final scene should be in this 3D world play should be rounding up these people and showing them pictures, videos, holograms, of their crimes against humanity and especially what they did to all the innocent children.
    It is not our place to judge other souls. They will judge themselves when they die and go through that process. Then they will realise their own mistakes and pay for it in that way. We would all do better to turn the spotlight on ourselves. It's much harder to find our own faults than those of others. When we realise our own mistakes and judge ourselves we can begin to heal, we can change and the outer world will improve as a result.


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    Here is a thread by Houman, endorsed by Bill Ryan regarding these atrocities.
    The link doesn't work for me : /

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    They're all one and the same. Corruption, control, deceit, you name it.

    Why the question?....is there any doubt about it at all for you or any one awake and aware on this planet?

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    I didn't say anything about leaving the door open.
    I was trying to liken the carrying of a weapon to having the option of killing (joining the 'evil' ones) if deemed necessary.

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    It's no different than going for a walk where there might be cougars in the area.
    If you had peace in your heart and inner balance and walked without fear, maybe the cougars wouldn't bother you. There are many men that have lived with wolves and stroked lions.

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    Yes, we do create our own realities but from all appearances it doesn't look to me like we're quite there yet (being able to consciously always create what we want/avoid what we consciously don't want - at least I'm not).
    I don't think we are there yet either, but I think we are well on our way. To at least have an understanding of how these universal laws work is a start. Putting them into practise is more challenging, as you say. I encourage everyone to try and start practising, because like with everything practise makes perfect and you've got to start somewhere. We can look at all the problems in the world and say oh it's such a mess we'll never be able to do it or we can focus on our progress and say yeh, let's do this together. We are strong, we are capable.

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    I have a friend who spouts this all the time and yet she hasn't been able to lose weight eating whatever she wants which she should be able to do if her beliefs were strong enough.
    Yes, being the change you wish to see in the world is much more effective than just talking it. People take more more notice of actions than words.

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    Plus, how about the Native Americans who were given blankets infected with smallpox. They didn't even know what smallpox was but they still died. Not saying we shouldn't be striving to move towards what you are saying. Just because I might chose to defend my family against someone with the intent to harm or kill doesn't mean I harbor hate in my heart towards them. I also recognize that I will probably have some karma to reckon with as a result. I don't think there is ever one right answer for every situation, but that's just my opinion.
    I guess the Native Americans weren't completely in balance, but they were likely a lot more balanced than the ones that gave them the blankets!

    There are many different solutions to every problem we face but the most effective solution for every situation is always love.

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    Quote Posted by Alie (here)
    If we were to agree that we all are playing a role on this 3D stage of life, then I believe actions require actions rather than thinking thoughts while the other side acts.
    Actually it would work better to think no thoughts at all. To have a completely clear mind. That is when one is in the space of consciousness. That is the space where all creation is manifested from.
    If a big enough group of people were to stay for long enough in this state of mind the other side would no longer be physcially able to act out their crimes. We would see great change. We have been looking outwards for so long that we have forgotten where that world begins. Change the inside and the outside will automatically change with it.

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    So here's a scene ...

    The Vatican actors, elite politician actors and illuminati actors start a bonfire. Then they bring a few babies and beautiful little children from offstage. Then they brutally rape all of them. Then they cut their jugular veins and drink the blood. Then they throw these innocent children into the bonfire. Then they continue their orgy ... laughing and making merry.

    Ok, now we, as the actors playing the awakened group of humanity, come from all over the playhouse onto the stage and thank them for their service to humanity for what they just did to the children.
    You are still thinking in terms of duality. I have tried to explain in many different ways the concept of them/us. They are one and the same. This group of people is you. Once this primary concept is understood nobody will have thoughts of destruction anymore.


    Quote Posted by Alie (here)
    If I were writing the script --- at least for me, Alie --- I would have Alie come from back stage with a sword and behead them.
    That which you hate you become. By this logic, if murder requires the action of murder, someone would then have to murder you for your crime, and then we'd have to murder them for murdering you...it never ends. Unless we choose to end this cycle. Even if you beheaded them, they would just re-appear in different bodies as different groups of people doing the same thing. And you'd reincarnate and kill them again and this would carry on for eons until all concerned learnt a way to end the cycle. And it has been carrying on for eons. Look at history. It's all a repitition of the same scenario.

    Quote Posted by Alie (here)
    I think the final scene should be in this 3D world play should be rounding up these people and showing them pictures, videos, holograms, of their crimes against humanity and especially what they did to all the innocent children.
    It is not our place to judge other souls. They will judge themselves when they die and go through that process. Then they will realise their own mistakes and pay for it in that way. We would all do better to turn the spotlight on ourselves. It's much harder to find our own faults than those of others. When we realise our own mistakes and judge ourselves we can begin to heal, we can change and the outer world will improve as a result.


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    Here is a thread by Houman, endorsed by Bill Ryan regarding these atrocities.
    The link doesn't work for me : /
    Sorry about the link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ew-with-Maarit

    IndigoStar

    I prefaced my response with saying I understand your premise. And you certainly have good counterpoints to what I wrote.

    You are pointing out something that I conceptually understand, but do not live out. I am not anything at the moment but a 3D human, and it goes with duality. If/when I ascend to a dimension where I no longer encounter this present day duality, then I won't have any need to be in a "play", acting. Perhaps I'll just "be". But for now, I am not there yet.

    So, my analogy about beheading isn't about judging --- it's about acting --- a counteraction to their action. And of course we're talking about a playwright or screenwriter, not myself. And in this duality that I exist in, I do recognize evil. Evil might have many reasons/effects that result from it, but it also causes pain and suffering, which I do not wish to perpetuate.

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    Why the question?....is there any doubt about it at all for you or any one awake and aware on this planet?
    To highlight the emotions that many people are harbouring within themselves, and as a result causing damage to themselves and the whole planet. And also to propose a solution to effectively change this situation.

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    It is possible to still love a guest that has overstayed their welcome.

    However, to allow that unwelcome guest to remain is not only irresponsible, but hostile to one's self, family, and in this case, Earth, our Galaxy, our universe, and for our immediate interests and cause: humanity.

    Loving someone else that has and intends to bring you further harm—and they do—sometimes requires a reminder to one's self and others, it is time to remove this unwelcome guest with force: This is most easily done by refusing to support those things they rely upon for survival, namely our complicity with 'their game'. This is becoming easier since their infrastructure / system is crumbling around them and the momentum of destruction by their own design. Perhaps this is best described as "Tough Love" for our current captors.

    I shall love them before, during and after they depart to the far reaches of our universe.

    It is with "unconditional love" that we accomplish the greatest of all things. We experience unconditional love as we enter, endure and depart every incarnation.

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    Why the question?....is there any doubt about it at all for you or any one awake and aware on this planet?
    To highlight the emotions that many people are harbouring within themselves, and as a result causing damage to themselves and the whole planet. And also to propose a solution to effectively change this situation.
    Nock yourself out.

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    Why the question?....is there any doubt about it at all for you or any one awake and aware on this planet?
    To highlight the emotions that many people are harbouring within themselves, and as a result causing damage to themselves and the whole planet. And also to propose a solution to effectively change this situation.
    Nock yourself out.
    I think I did already!

    PS. The spelling is knock with a silent 'k'

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    Firstly as a group we would each have to take personal responsibility for taking in this fraud. We all accepted and believed him so we are to blame for the mess that we created by doing so. That is the first step to changing the situation. Not tell ourselves we were dumb, not tell ourselves we should feel bad for being stupid and believing him. Telling ourselves that we did the best we knew at that time and our intention was good and we are glad this happened because it taught us a valuable lesson and in future if it happens again we'll be much wiser.

    Then we stop focusing on all this man did in the past. We all focus our intention on the present moment. In that instant our consciousness will begin to shift. We will no longer be thinking about the hurt this man caused because it was all done in the past. The thoughts that we create at any given moment are like radio signals. They send out an energetic vibration that creates the future. So if we continue to focus on the horrid things he did (and intensify that by feeling anger along with the thoughts) we will create more of the same. The universe doens't have a concept of positive/negative, it just manifests whatever signal you send it. The only way to change the future situation is to change the now. So when we focus on the present moment it is impossible to focus on that bad stuff. We start to hear the birds that we thought had stopped singing because of his horrific ways. We start to see the colours around us that seemed to have become dull and grey. The world starts to come alive again. That man that lied starts to feel the energy emanating from our group. He doesn't like it because it's so different from his own energy. In fact it starts to make him feel a bit sick. It's taking away his identity. He no longer has power over us to make us feel negativity. He is no longer able to feed off us. He starts to shrink away, withering, aging and very soon he dies.

    The reason you felt wound up when you were writing the post was because my concepts have challenged your egoic mind. That is the part of you that identifies who you are (it isn't really you but it's in control). The egoic mind doesn't like to be challenged because it fears losing power. You may start to feel annoyed again when you read this. As you do, observe the part of you that is annoyed. If you can do that you'll will find your true self. The observer.

    I hope you enjoyed your cup of tea!

    With regard to the man that cried....we can't change the past. We can only move on. We can only change the future so that it doesn't happen to others. I propose we stop focusing on the hurt of the past and shift our awareness to the present in order to change the future.

    Ps. If anyone has read the works of Eckhart Tolle you will realise that I am referring to his teachings a lot.
    you're making a lot of assumptions about me. based mostly on someone elses words, which you have identified with.

    i disagree that your post made me angry because they challenged my egoic mind.

    if anything, i was wound up, because you seem disconnected from reality in some respects.
    we 're not talking solely about things that happened in the past. we are talking about a current, and ongoing situation
    are you someone who looks upon someone with love while they are punching you in the face?,
    believe it or not, evil doers dont care how you see them..... if you're a 'love and light' merchant, they get off on that, because you wont resist them in any way

    you may not like to hear this, but i suggest you find your own way in this world,
    rather than taking on someone elses philosophy like its your own, and then projecting it onto everyone else. like its something we should fall in line with.

    and as i say, you have absolutely no idea who i am, or the life i have led.
    you make massive assumptions about me.
    my ego is a tool that is employed. not something that i am subservient to. and when i'm not using it, it stays in its box.

    i found my own path in this life by actually searching for it.
    i didnt get it from anyone else, or out of a book.

    its not about what someone else taught you.
    its about how YOU have utilised the things you have learned.

    and yes i enjoyed my tea.
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    when i went there nothing happened!, i was bored out of my mind..................in the Twilight Zone.

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    but life is not only emotional. it is also physical (body) mental (soul) and spiritual as in spirit. we are walking talking trinities . made in God's image. God hates evil ; )
    I agree that we are complex beings. The physical aspects however are only illusion. Everything you see can be alikened to a holographic image projection. The only reason you can physcially feel things is because of their density, it appears that you are touching them. However you never actually touch anything, you just feel the resistance between the atom surfaces. 99% of everything is actually made up of space. In that space is an 'invisible' energy which throughout the ages has been given different terms - chi, life force energy, ether, it's all the same. It's basically intelligent energy (or God). So everything is made up of that so everything is god. God can't hate. God is all, thus god is what you perceive as evil.

    'Made in God's image' is a phrase taken from the bible which was actually a mistranslation from the original hebrew version. The word god in the original language (elohim) was plural (GODS). The people at the time saw ets coming 'down from the heavens' and mistakenly saw them as gods. An easy mistake to make, considering their advanced technology and powers in comparison. The ets were the ones that created the human race, using advanced dna technology. They made us to be similar to themselves, ie 'in their image.'

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    Sorry about the link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ew-with-Maarit

    IndigoStar

    I prefaced my response with saying I understand your premise. And you certainly have good counterpoints to what I wrote.

    You are pointing out something that I conceptually understand, but do not live out. I am not anything at the moment but a 3D human, and it goes with duality. If/when I ascend to a dimension where I no longer encounter this present day duality, then I won't have any need to be in a "play", acting. Perhaps I'll just "be". But for now, I am not there yet.

    So, my analogy about beheading isn't about judging --- it's about acting --- a counteraction to their action. And of course we're talking about a playwright or screenwriter, not myself. And in this duality that I exist in, I do recognize evil. Evil might have many reasons/effects that result from it, but it also causes pain and suffering, which I do not wish to perpetuate.
    Thanks for the thread link. It's long but looks interesting so I'll have a read!
    You are very close to experiencing what I describe and you will soon live it out
    What I describe is taking action, it's just a very different form of action than humans are used to so is recognised by the majority as inaction.
    Nor do I wish to perpetuate the ongoing suffering of humanity. It can be ended very quickly. It only takes the expansion of consiousness to a deeper level. I'm trying to give people a little nudge in this direction, awaken something deep within the soul. When a critical mass of humanity achieves this we will see big changes occur.

    There are many levels of awareness. Each brings more powerful forms of change and healing. One level of awareness is to recognise the drama being played out and the 'evil' that these groups condone. Once that awareness is reached people change their behaviour and attitudes. A result of this is for example they stop going to church. That has further consequences of the catholic church slowly dying (and it will with time as more people reach this stage of awareness). As it dies out it will lose power. It will have less opportunity to indulge in corrupt behaviour.

    There is a level of awareness beyond this one which changes the behaviour and attitude of people once again. That is the recognition that we are all connected and every action, thought, emotion has an effect on the whole. This understanding brings a big shift in awareness.

    This is how we are evolving, we are constantly reaching new levels of awareness which in turn change our attitudes, behaviours and beliefs. Right now, this is happening at an exponential rate, making this a very special time in history.

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    The ets were the ones that created the human race, using advanced dna technology. They made us to be similar to themselves, ie 'in their image.'
    who made et ?

    the Creator of course


    and it's not really et but angels

    so some of them fell into sin and became monsters


    just like the elves in the LOTR ; )
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    you're making a lot of assumptions about me. based mostly on someone elses words, which you have identified with. I disagree that your post made me angry because they challenged my egoic mind. if anything, i was wound up, because you seem disconnected from reality in some respects.
    Ego is the source of all discontentment. If you believe I am disconnected from reality, then so I am.

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    we 're not talking solely about things that happened in the past. we are talking about a current, and ongoing situation
    are you someone who looks upon someone with love while they are punching you in the face?,
    When I talk about the present I am referring to YOUR present at this very moment. The seat you are sitting in. The view you are looking at. The smells you smell. The sounds you hear. At this very moment, that is all that exists. Everything else is merely a thought in your mind.

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    believe it or not, evil doers dont care how you see them..... if you're a 'love and light' merchant, they get off on that, because you wont resist them in any way
    It is not my concern how they believe I see them. It is not my concern what they get off on. I am responsible for myself, just as they are responsible for themselves. I am 'resisting' but it is in a way which is foreign and incomprehensible to you, so much so that you do not even recognise it as resistance.

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    you may not like to hear this, but i suggest you find your own way in this world,
    rather than taking on someone elses philosophy like its your own, and then projecting it onto everyone else. like its something we should fall in line with.
    I do like to hear that. I agree that finding your own way in the world is very sound advice. I do not claim that anyone's philosophy is my own. I only wish to give credit where it is due. My intention is not to project onto others and I sincerely apologise if it was received that way. Let me state loud and clear. I do not wish anyone to fall in line with my personal way of thinking. I do not want anyone to agree with me. I think everyone should follow their own path, listen to all information with an open mind, take what resonates for them and disregard what doesn't.

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    and as i say, you have absolutely no idea who i am, or the life i have led.
    you make massive assumptions about me.
    my ego is a tool that is employed. not something that i am subservient to. and when i'm not using it, it stays in its box.
    If your ego did not rule you, you would see no need for violence. Again this is just my opinion. That doesn't mean it's fact.

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    i found my own path in this life by actually searching for it.
    i didnt get it from anyone else, or out of a book.
    I am happy for you that you have found your own path. There is a lot to be learnt from listening to others and from reading books!

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    its not about what someone else taught you. its about how YOU have utilised the things you have learned.

    and yes i enjoyed my tea.
    I'd say it's about both. But yes, actions speak much louder than words, and as Ghandi once said '"be the change you want to see in the world."

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    The ets were the ones that created the human race, using advanced dna technology. They made us to be similar to themselves, ie 'in their image.'
    who made et ?

    the Creator of course


    and it's not really et but angels

    so some of them fell into sin and became monsters


    just like the elves in the LOTR ; )
    Yes, the creator which is all created itself as ets, so by default created humans. Well I think extra terrestrial means 'not of this planet' so that would incorporate angels.

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    Yes, the creator which is all created itself as ets, so by default created humans. Well I think extra terrestrial means 'not of this planet' so that would incorporate angels.
    you are giving ets far too much cred

    they are abducting people making hybrids and chimeras and mutating our genome


    the Creator hates them

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    Yes, the creator which is all created itself as ets, so by default created humans. Well I think extra terrestrial means 'not of this planet' so that would incorporate angels.
    you are giving ets far too much cred. they are abducting people making hybrids and chimeras and mutating our genome. the Creator hates them
    The word ET encompassses a massive group of beings. It means anything that isn't native to planet earth. Certain groups are doing what you described. Others are doing what we would perceive as good things. Many of them have technology much more advanced than ours and are capable of creating worlds and beings.
    I agree that the creator hates them because the creator is omnipresent and resides inside people who feel the emotion hate for certain ets. The creator also loves them. The creation also IS them.

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    Many of them have technology much more advanced than ours and are capable of creating worlds and beings.
    I agree that the creator hates them because the creator is omnipresent and resides inside people who feel the emotion hate for certain ets. The creator also loves them. The creation also IS them.

    the Creator creates

    created beings can only manipulate creation


    the astral realm is as real to angels as the physical realm is to us

    whatever is manufactured in the physical realm is first manifested in the astral realm

    the astral is more real than the physical

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    Someone asked the following question to the Dalai Lama:

    "How does a person or group of people compassionately and yet straightforwardly confront another person or group of people who have committed crimes of genocide against them?"

    DL: "When talking about compassion and compassionately dealing with such situations one must bear in mind what is meant by compassionately dealing with such cases. Being compassionate towards such people or such a person does not mean that you allow the other person to do whatever the other person or group of people wishes to do, inflicting suffering upon you and so on. Rather, compassionately dealing with such a situation has a different meaning.

    When a person or group of people deals with such a situation and tries to prevent such crimes there is generally speaking two ways in which you could do that, or one could say, two motivations. One is out of confrontation, out of hatred that confronts such a situation. There is another case in which, although in action it may be of the same force and strength, but the motivation would not be out of hatred and anger but rather out of compassion towards the perpetrators of these crimes.

    Realising that if you allow the other person, the perpetrator of the crime, to indulge his or her own negative habits then in the long run the other person or group is going to suffer the consequences of that negative action. Therefore, out of the consideration of the potential suffering for the perpetrator of such crimes, then you confront the situation and apply equally forceful and strong measures.

    I think this is quite relevant and important in modern society, especially in a competitive society. When someone genuinely practices compassion, forgiveness and humility then sometimes some people will take advantage of such a situation. Sometimes it is necessary to take a countermeasure, then with that kind of reasoning and compassion, the countermeasure is taken with reasoning and compassion rather than out of negative emotion. That is actually more effective and appropriate. This is important. For example my own case with Tibet in a national struggle against injustice we take action without using negative emotion. It sometimes seems more effective.

    One of the reasons there is a need to adopt a strong countermeasure against someone who harms you is that, if you let it pass, there is a danger of that person becoming habituated to extremely negative actions, which in the long run will cause that person's own downfall and is very destructive for the individual himself or herself. Therefore a strong countermeasure, taken out of compassion or a sense of concern for the other, is necessary. When you are motivated by that realization, then there is a sense of concern as part of your motive for taking that strong measure.

    ...One of the reasons why there is some ground to feel compassionate toward a perpetrator of crime or an aggressor is that the aggressor, because he or she is perpetrating a crime, is at the causal stage, accumulating the causes and conditions that later lead to undesirable consequences. So, from that point of view, there is enough ground to feel compassionate toward the aggressor."
    Love the sinner, hate the sin. Easy answer really.
    Evil deeds are hateworthy, and it is not negative to fight against them.. It is positive to protect yourself and others.

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    it is not negative to fight against them...
    The fighting method chosen can affect the outcome greatly.

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    ''we 're not talking solely about things that happened in the past. we are talking about a current, and ongoing situation
    are you someone who looks upon someone with love while they are punching you in the face?''

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    ''When I talk about the present I am referring to YOUR present at this very moment. The seat you are sitting in. The view you are looking at. The smells you smell. The sounds you hear. At this very moment, that is all that exists. Everything else is merely a thought in your mind.''

    firstly, what does my 'present' have to do with the question i asked?
    i was talking about a situation that is going on now, and that has been going on for a long time. my immediate envioronment is nothing to do with it. you paint a picture of something you cant possibly know.
    ironically, perhaps the only thing you may be able to get a sense of, IS the thought in my mind.
    at least, given the exchange, there might be some continuity there to form an educated guess.
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    ''believe it or not, evil doers dont care how you see them..... if you're a 'love and light' merchant, they get off on that, because you wont resist them in any way''

    INDIGOSTAR
    ''It is not my concern how they believe I see them. It is not my concern what they get off on. I am responsible for myself, just as they are responsible for themselves. I am 'resisting' but it is in a way which is foreign and incomprehensible to you, so much so that you do not even recognise it as resistance.''

    and this....
    you say i am ruled by my ego,
    but there is no way on this earth, i would ever say that something is 'foreign and incomprehensible' to someone. thats the height of arrogance.
    like you speak of something i'm completely unaware of, and couldnt understand. how belittling of you to say. placing yourself in a more advanced position than a lowly peasant such as my unhumble self!,
    and again, with the assumption that you have any idea at all how i even think. you just dont know. so how can you speak with any authority?

    i'll tell you something about me.......
    i'm Nothing. no thing.
    i operate from a point of balance.
    i observe.
    i cannot hear.......................................... if i am creating noise
    my thoughts are moving images
    i adapt to circumstances
    and i am capable of Anything.

    my way of keeping clean, is to keep myself mostly isolated from the outside world. its cleaner for me. i am content in my own space.
    nearly all my energy goes into my own creation, and there is very little influence from outside. thats how i resist.
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    ''and as i say, you have absolutely no idea who i am, or the life i have led.
    you make massive assumptions about me.
    my ego is a tool that is employed. not something that i am subservient to. and when i'm not using it, it stays in its box.''

    INDIGOSTAR
    'If your ego did not rule you, you would see no need for violence. Again this is just my opinion. That doesn't mean it's fact.'

    where is the ego when you're being raped, or beaten or tortured or bullied? and you say that fighting back to save your own skin, is symptomatic of being ruled by your ego?
    i remember watching a vid on a thread about bullying. some kid had fought back against a bully, and the bully went limping away. literally.
    how much easier the victims life was going to be from that point. not getting picked on and punched in the face for someone elses amusment.
    i say well done to him.
    the thing is, i reckon, that if you have any gratitude at all for the life you have been given
    when you are being attacked, you have a duty of care to yourself, to fight back.

    and i will also say, (and this is an observation)

    one thing ive noticed about people who go on about eckhart tolle......
    they all sound the same. same energy signature.
    its like if you were to remove eckhart tolle and his perspective from the characters of his idols..... there wouldnt be much of them left.

    ave a good un
    when i went there nothing happened!, i was bored out of my mind..................in the Twilight Zone.

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    You are right in everything you say SKAWF. You are a very beautiful, wise soul. Much love and cups of tea to you <3

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