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[Calz]

Posted by another bob (here)

We touched very lightly on DMT (while you were away) in regard to clinical linkage to some of the abduction type phenomena.

Never tried it.

Me neither ... was making reference to a fairly popular book:

http://www.amazon.com/DMT-Molecule-R...7623318&sr=1-1





Editorial Reviews
Review
"Fascinating and provocative. A remarkable exploration of the boundaries of science and consciousness itself."
( Rupert Sheldrake, author of The Presence of the Past )

"Rick Strassman's pioneering research work with DMT, a natural psychedelic drug used by Amazonian Indians, raises fascinating questions about the neurochemical basis of experience and the feasibility of conducting human research with mind-altering drugs in a university medical center. Truly adventurous reading!"
(Andrew Weil, M.D., author of Spontaneous Healing )


"This book is essential reading for anyone with an interest in the mind, philosophy, the nature of reality, and spirituality."


(Karl Jansen, M.D., Ph.D. )


"DMT: The Spirit Molecule points the way beyond the present impasse of the reigning 'drug abuse' paradigm."


(Jonathan Ott, author of The Age of Entheogens and Hallucinogenic Plants of North America )

"The most extensive scientific study of the mental and perceptual effects of a psychedelic drug since the 1960s."
(Ralph Metzner, Ph.D., author of Ayahuasca: Consciousness and the Spirits of Nature )


"Strassman's important research contributes to a growing awareness that we inhabit a multi-dimensional universe."


(John Mack, MD Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, author of Abduction and Passport to the Cosmos )

"Strassman raises vital questions about the origin of spiritual experiences and the nature of consciousness."
(Larry Dossey MD, author of Reinventing Medicine, and Healing Words; Executive Editor, Alternative Therapies in Health and Medicine )

"DMT: The Spirit Molecule is a fascinating journey into the research of psychedelics. . . . The questions and possible explanations about the endogenous presence of DMT that he raises not only enlarge the discussion about psychedelics but also expand our understanding of the nature of consciousness."
(Jule Klotter, Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients - July, 2001 )


"This book will be of profound interest to . . . anyone with a deep interest in the study of consciousness, visionary states and/or psycho-pharmacology."


(J. P. Harpignies, Lapis )

"Strassman's psychonauts regularly found themselves hurtled into alien laboratories, high-tech nurseries, and Day-Glo hieroglyphic hypercubes."
(Erik Davis, The Village Voice )

"DMT: the Spirit Molecule is an enriching journey into one scientist's courageous attempt to solve a bit more of the brain/mind/spirit mystery at the center of human existence."
(Vicki Ecker, UFO Magazine, December-January 2002 )

"What you will find is a thoughtful, well-written report about another of life's mysteries."
(James Dekorne, Fortean Times, November 2001 )

"Strassman's research was an important step, one that will potentially illuminate the path for future researchers and volunteers alike, and this book is a great contribution to the ongoing dialogue surrounding psychedelics."
(Scotto, Trip, Fall 2001 )

"This is probably the most thorough book on the psychedelic, DMT--its history, chemistry, uses (legal and illegal), and its effects. This is a very compelling, thoughtful book, written by a scrupulous scientist with the soul of a meditator."
(The Book Reader, Spring/Summer 2002 )

"The account of the project is an excellent inside view of human drug studies, especially those with psychedelics."
(Paul Von Ward, The AHP Perspective, June/July 2002 )

"This book is a highly readable, intriguing, provocative description of Rick Strassman's theories and research concerning the effects of DMT."
(Alissa Hirshfeld-Flores, M.A., LMFT, The American Journal of Psychiatry, August 2002 )

"Rick Strassman's experimentation with the psychoactive substance DMT is taking up where Leary's 1950/60's LSD experiments stopped."
(Rev. Dr. S. D'Montford, New Dawn, Jan-Feb 2006 )

"[Strassman's] account, written more for the layman than the specialist, is ground-breaking, and raises the interesting question as to what is truly a psychedelic experience." (Peter Fenwick, The Scientific and Medical Network, Summer 2007 )

"Near-death experiences. Alien abductions. Lucid dreams. Even gods and goddesses. Try DMT for an explanation and it all holds together. It's brain chemistry. It's neuropharmacology. It's quite possibly other realms. Whatever it is, it's the new frontier, a closer examination of consciousness, and it's very, very exciting!" (
betaphilings.com, Dec 2008 )

"[Strassman] is a gifted writer and makes scientific jargon easy to read. The book gives very interesting examples of what the volunteers envisioned and how they felt throughout the experiences. . . . It is important for us as a society to look at legal, controlled, and supervised experimentation with psychoactive drugs with open minds, and with eventual scientific benefit in mind." (
Levi Cox, FLC Law and Society Science & Metaphysics Blog, Feb 2009 )

"Fascinating stuff! If this kind of thing interests you then pick up this book today." (
Loretta Nall, blog by former Alabama Gubernatorial Candidate, June 2009 )

"In the end, I felt the most important element of the book was the contextualization of the questions most important in psychedelic research. Strassman keenly recognizes and extrapolates the areas that appear to be most vital in the further study and theory of psychedelics."
(The Psychedelic Press UK, Sept 2009 )

“Highly readable, intriguing, provocative. . . . [An] intellectually courageous book. . . . Will be of great use both to researchers and clinicians, as well as to laypeople.”
(American Journal of Psychiatry, 2002 )

“A dazzling journey through psychedelic drug experimentation and a tantalizing peek into a new model of how the brain and mind work. Strassman’s research points toward a physiological basis for spirit and its interaction with the human body; his data suggests that our brain chemistry allows us access to other realms of existence just when we need it most, and his story recounts both the dangers and promises of entering this brave new world.”
(Bruce Greyson, Editor, Journal of Near-Death Studies )

[another bob]

Well, Calz, though I haven't tried DMT, I've posted a few stories at Avalon about entheogenic experiences already. Here's another, from a memoir i once attempted:


Ukiah, CA 1970

It was my last day off (from the children's residential treatment center where I had been working as a child-care counselor), and this weekend had already changed my life in ways I could never have imagined. I was tired but happy, and so I spent the day napping and puttering around the place. I had placed Radha’s “gift” in the refrigerator for safe keeping, but my mind kept coming back to the possibility of giving it a try. I went back and forth on the issue, and finally decided: “What the hell?” and swallowed the tab of Windowpane acid at sunset. The night was going to be lovely – a bit cool but clear and bright. The stars were already dotting the velvet sky with their crystal shiny presence, and barely a breeze was stirring.

After about half an hour, I begin to feel things change. At first I thought there was some defect in the music tape I had been listening to – the music seemed to elongate and compress, and long silences were appearing between words and phrases. When the floor began to roll and churn like ocean waves, I realized that the drug’s effects were starting to manifest. I sat down on my meditation cushion and, no sooner had I done so when I simply disappeared.

What remained was the evening, but it was like no evening I had ever known before. I had spent my fair share of dusks enraptured by the wonder and mystery of the oncoming night, and all the magic contained within its descending blanket of beauty and delight, but this night was appearing in a different realm of cognition than that to which I had become accustomed.

The first thing that became apparent was the synchronicity of sounds. No longer experiencing myself as some kind of matrix of perception in the midst of things, what existed now was just awareness without anchor, encompassing all that arose and dissolved within it. There was a vast, orchestrated symphony of sound, and it definitely followed a pattern in which everything perfectly participated in the most naturally timed fashion. The sounds of the night creatures rose and fell in utter harmony. The stars, the trees, the window, the room, the crickets, the music, the mood: all inextricably merged in a unified choir of mysterious expression!

I was not separate from any of this, to the point where even the thought of such would never occur to me (except here in retrospect). I had become utterly lost within the vast harmonic expanse of myself, even as the totality of this magnificent universal chant-song unfurled from out of nothing and dissolved there just the same. I am this nothing! Nothing is happening, and it sounds just fine! Yes, this night would be like no other, it was becoming plain to see. Literally, I realized I could see in the dark, and it seemed as natural as can be! I could see through all eyes, the tree eye, the cat eye, the wind eye, the star eye, the ground eye, the sky eye – Huuuuu! I see! All of creation is only me, I am all of creation! I make this sound, I am that silence, singing!

About 8 hours later, in chronological time, I was nothing but a head, placed upon the ground, as a gift for the morning light. The light itself revealed that all appearances themselves are like shadows, cartoon-like shape-shifting ephemerals which slide liquidly across the white screen of perception, and just as soon swim off. There was a grand and benign humor to this which I cannot put into words, but there was also the realization that this impermanence included the perceiver too, and though it didn’t really matter, it now felt incumbent upon myself to solidify as form. This took more effort than one might imagine! In fact, it required every bit of concentration I could bring to bear to retain contact with the life force, but this turned out to be beyond my own efforts, and so I passed away . . . and No, I cannot explain how I returned, or even what returned, though it certainly wasn’t the same as that which had begun this little voyage in what now seemed a lifetime ago.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ujBTOPhGLMo

[Calz]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
Going to submit another morsel to the Pub Patrons for the virus sniff test.

Think this is valid but certainly interested in what others have to offer. Not sure who first posted it but it came to my attention from Lord Sid on another forum. Ties in with the Gnostic materials and Archons etc (love Nash's book as well as Jay Weidner's material on the subject).

Anyhoo ... if we are to be talking about Lou Baldin then the information brought out in this piece is certainly worthy of throwing into the mix for consideration. It could add to the convolution of the matter ... or dramatically simplify it depending on what resonates.


http://www.sharedwisdom.com/article/...nn-genie-egypt

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
There is something additional I wanted to elaborate on as well regarding the jinn article as related to the abduction phenomena.

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)

HW: Who are they and why do they come here?

J: They are ‘others’ and they come here as visitors.

HW: Why do they abduct humans and perform experiments on them?

J: They don’t. That is the deceivers who do that.

ahahahahahahaa.....awesome! *delighted*

Read this book a few years back:

DMT: The Spirit Molecule: A Doctor's Revolutionary Research into the Biology of Near-Death and Mystical Experiences

A clinical psychiatrist explores the effects of DMT, one of the most powerful psychedelics known.

• A behind-the-scenes look at the cutting edge of psychedelic research.

• Provides a unique scientific explanation for the phenomenon of alien abduction experiences.

From 1990 to 1995 Dr. Rick Strassman conducted U.S. Government-approved and funded clinical research at the University of New Mexico in which he injected sixty volunteers with DMT, one of the most powerful psychedelics known. His detailed account of those sessions is an extraordinarily riveting inquiry into the nature of the human mind and the therapeutic potential of psychedelics. DMT, a plant-derived chemical found in the psychedelic Amazon brew, ayahuasca, is also manufactured by the human brain. In Strassman's volunteers, it consistently produced near-death and mystical experiences. Many reported convincing encounters with intelligent nonhuman presences, aliens, angels, and spirits. Nearly all felt that the sessions were among the most profound experiences of their lives.

Strassman's research connects DMT with the pineal gland, considered by Hindus to be the site of the seventh chakra and by Rene Descartes to be the seat of the soul. DMT: The Spirit Molecule makes the bold case that DMT, naturally released by the pineal gland, facilitates the soul's movement in and out of the body and is an integral part of the birth and death experiences, as well as the highest states of meditation and even sexual transcendence. Strassman also believes that "alien abduction experiences" are brought on by accidental releases of DMT. If used wisely, DMT could trigger a period of remarkable progress in the scientific exploration of the most mystical regions of the human mind and soul.


http://www.amazon.com/DMT-Molecule-R.../dp/0892819278

Many of the subjects in the only controlled testing done with DMT experienced "abductions" or similar type situations while remaining in their beds clearly showing that at least some of the situations are not physical.

... hence ... a possible confirmation about what the jinn/jinni suggest about the "deceivers".

A related article:

The alien abduction story and non-physical reality

William C. Treurniet, July, 2007

Summary. Analysis of the alien abduction story suggests that the sequence of events is comparable to some experiences of the shamanic spirit world as revealed by DMT, a hallucinogenic drug. In the trance state, some people see beings similar to those reported by abductees. Therefore, it is possible that abductees involuntarily manufacture excessive endogenous DMT, which then opens the door to the spirit world. Further, the physical evidence associated with some abductions suggests that happenings in the spirit world can manifest in the physical world. Finally, since the alien abductors appear in the DMT visions, they are inhabitants of the spirit world and likely are not directly responsible for the UFOs seen in the physical world.


Background

Many people recognize the presence of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) in the skies around the earth. However, there is little physical evidence available to the public that would help to identify their origin with any degree of certainty. Their nature is further confused by stories about alien abductions. These have created a modern myth that puts a face to the extraterrestrials and attributes motives that may or may not be correct. This paper offers a useful distinction between the abductors and other extraterrestrials that may be visiting our world. It also expands our notion of reality to include an objective spirit world familiar to shamanic traditions.

What we know about UFOs has been gained by consistent observations over the years, and these allow us to list a number of accepted facts regarding the nature of these objects.

Much more: http://www.treurniet.ca/Ufo/AbductionReality.htm

Posted by another bob (here)
Well, Calz, though I haven't tried DMT, I've posted a few stories at Avalon about entheogenic experiences already. Here's another, from a memoir i once attempted:

Thanks Bob.

I am doing a remarkably bad job of trying to pull in several things together.

Here are a couple previous posts while you were gone regarding DMT and jinn/jinni with respect to possible "evidence" the abduction phenomena may be, at least in some (read not milab) circumstances a product of the mind.

What I was stumbling bumbling in my attempt was to bring this into the mix with regards to *all* trance states with the hopeful bottom line (which you have already addressed in part):

*how does meditation set itself apart from all these other experiences???*

... and why, if as Lou suggests, the "ETs" have such complete control to the extent that they can control virtually all aspects of humanity ... why would they not be able to "insert themselves" into the meditation process as well???

[another bob]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
..if as Lou suggests, the "ETs" have such complete control to the extent that they can control virtually all aspects of humanity ... why would they not be able to "insert themselves" into the meditation process as well???

First of all, we should understand what the term ET encompasses, vis a vis Lou's context. We're not really talking so much about the low-level types, such as Greys, Reps, Annunakis, and so forth. The folks that travel around in ships and such are certainly able to enter human minds, which are open books to them, but they are not the ones really in control. There are far higher beings, beings who would seem to be gods to us on the scale of manifestation, who are on the job 24/7, though operating at a level inconceivable to us in our diminished capacity (slow vibratory frequency). In terms of meditation, for example, we may suddenly feel inspired with a solution to a vexing problem that we might never have otherwise thought of, unless it was suggested subliminally to us in a receptive meditative state. According to Lou, the ones behind that insertion are the god-like ET's he refers to, the same ones who inserted various ideas that later blossomed into the world's religions, for example, or tech breakthroughs.

Now, before we go scratching our heads at that concept, consider this, from one of the most highly regarded spiritual authorities in modern times, Ramana Maharshi:

"Siva, Ganapati and other deities like Brahma, exist from a human standpoint; that is to say, if you consider your personal self as real, then they also exist. Just as a government has its high executive officers to carry on the government, so has the creator."

[PurpleLama]

Have confidence, or at least pretend, and don't worry. Concerns over being unduly influenced, when the truth is the nasties one might be afraid of could easily be dealt with by assuming anything coming along in the mindscape are all just unrecognized portions of one's own psyche. God knows I had a lot of f*ucked up sh!t that I had to clear out, but with experience I learned that by withholding any importance from myself, they were, without exception, powerless to influence me in any way. The attitude and perspective one cultivates in these endeavors largely determines how much one may be inluenced or affected by anything one does not want. Being amused at the boogey man, rather than being afraid, goes a long way to showing him for what he really is. IMHO.

[another bob]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
Have confidence, or at least pretend, and don't worry. Concerns over being unduly influenced, when the truth is the nasties one might be afraid of could easily be dealt with by assuming anything coming along in the mindscape are all just unrecognized portions of one's own psyche. God knows I had a lot of f*ucked up sh!t that I had to clear out, but with experience I learned that by withholding any importance from myself, they were, without exception, powerless to influence me in any way. The attitude and perspective one cultivates in these endeavors largely determines how much one may be inluenced or affected by anything one does not want. Being amused at the boogey man, rather than being afraid, goes a long way to showing him for what he really is. IMHO.

Excellent! Yes, and for example, in the Tibetan Book of the Great Liberation, a classic text for entering the afterlife and recognizing the various critters and such which might appear, the main realization one needs to remember is -- "all arising phenomena are nothing but projections of your own mind!"

[Calz]

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
..if as Lou suggests, the "ETs" have such complete control to the extent that they can control virtually all aspects of humanity ... why would they not be able to "insert themselves" into the meditation process as well???

First of all, we should understand what the term ET encompasses, vis a vis Lou's context. We're not really talking so much about the low-level types, such as Greys, Reps, Annunakis, and so forth. The folks that travel around in ships and such are certainly able to enter human minds, which are open books to them, but they are not the ones really in control. There are far higher beings, beings who would seem to be gods to us on the scale of manifestation, who are on the job 24/7, though operating at a level inconceivable to us in our diminished capacity (slow vibratory frequency). In terms of meditation, for example, we may suddenly feel inspired with a solution to a vexing problem that we might never have otherwise thought of, unless it was suggested subliminally to us in a receptive meditative state. According to Lou, the ones behind that insertion are the god-like ET's he refers to, the same ones who inserted various ideas that later blossomed into the world's religions, for example, or tech breakthroughs.

Cool.

Getting much closer.

How can you as an experienced meditator shed light on how to differentiate between the low levels and higher? James Gilliland suggests being able to do so via energy signature (paraphrasing). Since both lower and higher levels can seemingly readily enter the mind it is up to the meditator to learn the discernment abilities (not even including black op technology to allegedly beam voices into someones head).

Phew ...

After all that I am simply suggesting if there is anything you can pass along to Mike (or anyone) to help in that regard or is it something that can only be gleaned from experience???

[WHOMADEGOD]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by another bob (here)

We touched very lightly on DMT (while you were away) in regard to clinical linkage to some of the abduction type phenomena.

Never tried it.

Me neither ... was making reference to a fairly popular book:

http://www.amazon.com/DMT-Molecule-R...7623318&sr=1-1





Editorial Reviews
Review
"Fascinating and provocative. A remarkable exploration of the boundaries of science and consciousness itself."
( Rupert Sheldrake, author of The Presence of the Past )

"Rick Strassman's pioneering research work with DMT, a natural psychedelic drug used by Amazonian Indians, raises fascinating questions about the neurochemical basis of experience and the feasibility of conducting human research with mind-altering drugs in a university medical center. Truly adventurous reading!"
(Andrew Weil, M.D., author of Spontaneous Healing )


"This book is essential reading for anyone with an interest in the mind, philosophy, the nature of reality, and spirituality."


(Karl Jansen, M.D., Ph.D. )


"DMT: The Spirit Molecule points the way beyond the present impasse of the reigning 'drug abuse' paradigm."


(Jonathan Ott, author of The Age of Entheogens and Hallucinogenic Plants of North America )

"The most extensive scientific study of the mental and perceptual effects of a psychedelic drug since the 1960s."
(Ralph Metzner, Ph.D., author of Ayahuasca: Consciousness and the Spirits of Nature )


"Strassman's important research contributes to a growing awareness that we inhabit a multi-dimensional universe."


(John Mack, MD Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, author of Abduction and Passport to the Cosmos )

"Strassman raises vital questions about the origin of spiritual experiences and the nature of consciousness."
(Larry Dossey MD, author of Reinventing Medicine, and Healing Words; Executive Editor, Alternative Therapies in Health and Medicine )

"DMT: The Spirit Molecule is a fascinating journey into the research of psychedelics. . . . The questions and possible explanations about the endogenous presence of DMT that he raises not only enlarge the discussion about psychedelics but also expand our understanding of the nature of consciousness."
(Jule Klotter, Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients - July, 2001 )


"This book will be of profound interest to . . . anyone with a deep interest in the study of consciousness, visionary states and/or psycho-pharmacology."


(J. P. Harpignies, Lapis )

"Strassman's psychonauts regularly found themselves hurtled into alien laboratories, high-tech nurseries, and Day-Glo hieroglyphic hypercubes."
(Erik Davis, The Village Voice )

"DMT: the Spirit Molecule is an enriching journey into one scientist's courageous attempt to solve a bit more of the brain/mind/spirit mystery at the center of human existence."
(Vicki Ecker, UFO Magazine, December-January 2002 )

"What you will find is a thoughtful, well-written report about another of life's mysteries."
(James Dekorne, Fortean Times, November 2001 )

"Strassman's research was an important step, one that will potentially illuminate the path for future researchers and volunteers alike, and this book is a great contribution to the ongoing dialogue surrounding psychedelics."
(Scotto, Trip, Fall 2001 )

"This is probably the most thorough book on the psychedelic, DMT--its history, chemistry, uses (legal and illegal), and its effects. This is a very compelling, thoughtful book, written by a scrupulous scientist with the soul of a meditator."
(The Book Reader, Spring/Summer 2002 )

"The account of the project is an excellent inside view of human drug studies, especially those with psychedelics."
(Paul Von Ward, The AHP Perspective, June/July 2002 )

"This book is a highly readable, intriguing, provocative description of Rick Strassman's theories and research concerning the effects of DMT."
(Alissa Hirshfeld-Flores, M.A., LMFT, The American Journal of Psychiatry, August 2002 )

"Rick Strassman's experimentation with the psychoactive substance DMT is taking up where Leary's 1950/60's LSD experiments stopped."
(Rev. Dr. S. D'Montford, New Dawn, Jan-Feb 2006 )

"[Strassman's] account, written more for the layman than the specialist, is ground-breaking, and raises the interesting question as to what is truly a psychedelic experience." (Peter Fenwick, The Scientific and Medical Network, Summer 2007 )

"Near-death experiences. Alien abductions. Lucid dreams. Even gods and goddesses. Try DMT for an explanation and it all holds together. It's brain chemistry. It's neuropharmacology. It's quite possibly other realms. Whatever it is, it's the new frontier, a closer examination of consciousness, and it's very, very exciting!" (
betaphilings.com, Dec 2008 )

"[Strassman] is a gifted writer and makes scientific jargon easy to read. The book gives very interesting examples of what the volunteers envisioned and how they felt throughout the experiences. . . . It is important for us as a society to look at legal, controlled, and supervised experimentation with psychoactive drugs with open minds, and with eventual scientific benefit in mind." (
Levi Cox, FLC Law and Society Science & Metaphysics Blog, Feb 2009 )

"Fascinating stuff! If this kind of thing interests you then pick up this book today." (
Loretta Nall, blog by former Alabama Gubernatorial Candidate, June 2009 )

"In the end, I felt the most important element of the book was the contextualization of the questions most important in psychedelic research. Strassman keenly recognizes and extrapolates the areas that appear to be most vital in the further study and theory of psychedelics."
(The Psychedelic Press UK, Sept 2009 )

“Highly readable, intriguing, provocative. . . . [An] intellectually courageous book. . . . Will be of great use both to researchers and clinicians, as well as to laypeople.”
(American Journal of Psychiatry, 2002 )

“A dazzling journey through psychedelic drug experimentation and a tantalizing peek into a new model of how the brain and mind work. Strassman’s research points toward a physiological basis for spirit and its interaction with the human body; his data suggests that our brain chemistry allows us access to other realms of existence just when we need it most, and his story recounts both the dangers and promises of entering this brave new world.”
(Bruce Greyson, Editor, Journal of Near-Death Studies )

I have studied his work and a question that immediately sprang to my mind was the fact that this was the only legally allowed study of it kind and it was funded by the Freemasons!

Prof Rick Strassman is brilliant for answering any questions you have and when presented with "why the Freemasons?", he said "We thought it strange as well but it was the only way we could get the study done by accepting their offer". It goes to show you their influence in that it was granted.

Rick went on further to explain that they the freemasons were intrested in the relationship between DMT and Schitzophrenia? (voices in heads, thats sounds familiar).

There is also a film called the spirit molecule, worth a look.

[another bob]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
How can you as an experienced meditator shed light on how to differentiate between the low levels and higher? James Gilliland suggests being able to do so va energy signature (paraphrasing). Since both lower and higher levels can seemingly readily enter the mind it is up to the meditator to learn the discernment abilities (not even including black op technology to allegedly beam voices into someones head).

An experienced meditator will recognize all of it as delusion and attach to none of it.

[PurpleLama]

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
How can you as an experienced meditator shed light on how to differentiate between the low levels and higher? James Gilliland suggests being able to do so va energy signature (paraphrasing). Since both lower and higher levels can seemingly readily enter the mind it is up to the meditator to learn the discernment abilities (not even including black op technology to allegedly beam voices into someones head).

An experienced meditator will recognize all of it as delusion and attach to none of it.

I would say, by way of analogy, that it doesn't matter which room one begins cleaning, be it living room, bedroom, or kitchen, for the work is largely the same from room to room, but if one never starts, the floors remain dirty. I would not even distinguish between this and that and the other, as one makes progress, the room is cleaned, and one moves on to the next.

"There is nothing on the top but a bucket and a mop,
and an illustrated book about birds.
You see a lot up there, but don't be scared.
Who needs action when you got words?"

[modwiz]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
..if as Lou suggests, the "ETs" have such complete control to the extent that they can control virtually all aspects of humanity ... why would they not be able to "insert themselves" into the meditation process as well???

First of all, we should understand what the term ET encompasses, vis a vis Lou's context. We're not really talking so much about the low-level types, such as Greys, Reps, Annunakis, and so forth. The folks that travel around in ships and such are certainly able to enter human minds, which are open books to them, but they are not the ones really in control. There are far higher beings, beings who would seem to be gods to us on the scale of manifestation, who are on the job 24/7, though operating at a level inconceivable to us in our diminished capacity (slow vibratory frequency). In terms of meditation, for example, we may suddenly feel inspired with a solution to a vexing problem that we might never have otherwise thought of, unless it was suggested subliminally to us in a receptive meditative state. According to Lou, the ones behind that insertion are the god-like ET's he refers to, the same ones who inserted various ideas that later blossomed into the world's religions, for example, or tech breakthroughs.

Cool.

Getting much closer.

How can you as an experienced meditator shed light on how to differentiate between the low levels and higher? James Gilliland suggests being able to do so via energy signature (paraphrasing). Since both lower and higher levels can seemingly readily enter the mind it is up to the meditator to learn the discernment abilities (not even including black op technology to allegedly beam voices into someones head).

Phew ...

After all that I am simply suggesting if there is anything you can pass along to Mike (or anyone) to help in that regard or is it something that can only be gleaned from experience???

It's kinda like the difference between farts and flowers. LOL They do different things to your nervous system and the difference is marked, IMO. Trust yourself. Or, call on the Christ energy, the Jesus name works wonders for cavalry in tricky situations where ones confidence fails. This energy is at our service with no candles, Hail Mary's or Our Father's required. This energy is so effective that many people become born agains because of it. Completely unneccesary , but people still do not understand the unconditional love and service that is available to us. Just for the asking. Knowing this back up is available, at a thought or mental word, allows one the confidence to go solo and find their own strength. As PL says, laugh at the bogey man.

[PurpleLama]

Posted by WHOMADEGOD (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by another bob (here)

We touched very lightly on DMT (while you were away) in regard to clinical linkage to some of the abduction type phenomena.

Never tried it.

Me neither ... was making reference to a fairly popular book:

http://www.amazon.com/DMT-Molecule-R...7623318&sr=1-1





Editorial Reviews
Review
"Fascinating and provocative. A remarkable exploration of the boundaries of science and consciousness itself."
( Rupert Sheldrake, author of The Presence of the Past )

"Rick Strassman's pioneering research work with DMT, a natural psychedelic drug used by Amazonian Indians, raises fascinating questions about the neurochemical basis of experience and the feasibility of conducting human research with mind-altering drugs in a university medical center. Truly adventurous reading!"
(Andrew Weil, M.D., author of Spontaneous Healing )


"This book is essential reading for anyone with an interest in the mind, philosophy, the nature of reality, and spirituality."


(Karl Jansen, M.D., Ph.D. )


"DMT: The Spirit Molecule points the way beyond the present impasse of the reigning 'drug abuse' paradigm."


(Jonathan Ott, author of The Age of Entheogens and Hallucinogenic Plants of North America )

"The most extensive scientific study of the mental and perceptual effects of a psychedelic drug since the 1960s."
(Ralph Metzner, Ph.D., author of Ayahuasca: Consciousness and the Spirits of Nature )


"Strassman's important research contributes to a growing awareness that we inhabit a multi-dimensional universe."


(John Mack, MD Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, author of Abduction and Passport to the Cosmos )

"Strassman raises vital questions about the origin of spiritual experiences and the nature of consciousness."
(Larry Dossey MD, author of Reinventing Medicine, and Healing Words; Executive Editor, Alternative Therapies in Health and Medicine )

"DMT: The Spirit Molecule is a fascinating journey into the research of psychedelics. . . . The questions and possible explanations about the endogenous presence of DMT that he raises not only enlarge the discussion about psychedelics but also expand our understanding of the nature of consciousness."
(Jule Klotter, Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients - July, 2001 )


"This book will be of profound interest to . . . anyone with a deep interest in the study of consciousness, visionary states and/or psycho-pharmacology."


(J. P. Harpignies, Lapis )

"Strassman's psychonauts regularly found themselves hurtled into alien laboratories, high-tech nurseries, and Day-Glo hieroglyphic hypercubes."
(Erik Davis, The Village Voice )

"DMT: the Spirit Molecule is an enriching journey into one scientist's courageous attempt to solve a bit more of the brain/mind/spirit mystery at the center of human existence."
(Vicki Ecker, UFO Magazine, December-January 2002 )

"What you will find is a thoughtful, well-written report about another of life's mysteries."
(James Dekorne, Fortean Times, November 2001 )

"Strassman's research was an important step, one that will potentially illuminate the path for future researchers and volunteers alike, and this book is a great contribution to the ongoing dialogue surrounding psychedelics."
(Scotto, Trip, Fall 2001 )

"This is probably the most thorough book on the psychedelic, DMT--its history, chemistry, uses (legal and illegal), and its effects. This is a very compelling, thoughtful book, written by a scrupulous scientist with the soul of a meditator."
(The Book Reader, Spring/Summer 2002 )

"The account of the project is an excellent inside view of human drug studies, especially those with psychedelics."
(Paul Von Ward, The AHP Perspective, June/July 2002 )

"This book is a highly readable, intriguing, provocative description of Rick Strassman's theories and research concerning the effects of DMT."
(Alissa Hirshfeld-Flores, M.A., LMFT, The American Journal of Psychiatry, August 2002 )

"Rick Strassman's experimentation with the psychoactive substance DMT is taking up where Leary's 1950/60's LSD experiments stopped."
(Rev. Dr. S. D'Montford, New Dawn, Jan-Feb 2006 )

"[Strassman's] account, written more for the layman than the specialist, is ground-breaking, and raises the interesting question as to what is truly a psychedelic experience." (Peter Fenwick, The Scientific and Medical Network, Summer 2007 )

"Near-death experiences. Alien abductions. Lucid dreams. Even gods and goddesses. Try DMT for an explanation and it all holds together. It's brain chemistry. It's neuropharmacology. It's quite possibly other realms. Whatever it is, it's the new frontier, a closer examination of consciousness, and it's very, very exciting!" (
betaphilings.com, Dec 2008 )

"[Strassman] is a gifted writer and makes scientific jargon easy to read. The book gives very interesting examples of what the volunteers envisioned and how they felt throughout the experiences. . . . It is important for us as a society to look at legal, controlled, and supervised experimentation with psychoactive drugs with open minds, and with eventual scientific benefit in mind." (
Levi Cox, FLC Law and Society Science & Metaphysics Blog, Feb 2009 )

"Fascinating stuff! If this kind of thing interests you then pick up this book today." (
Loretta Nall, blog by former Alabama Gubernatorial Candidate, June 2009 )

"In the end, I felt the most important element of the book was the contextualization of the questions most important in psychedelic research. Strassman keenly recognizes and extrapolates the areas that appear to be most vital in the further study and theory of psychedelics."
(The Psychedelic Press UK, Sept 2009 )

“Highly readable, intriguing, provocative. . . . [An] intellectually courageous book. . . . Will be of great use both to researchers and clinicians, as well as to laypeople.”
(American Journal of Psychiatry, 2002 )

“A dazzling journey through psychedelic drug experimentation and a tantalizing peek into a new model of how the brain and mind work. Strassman’s research points toward a physiological basis for spirit and its interaction with the human body; his data suggests that our brain chemistry allows us access to other realms of existence just when we need it most, and his story recounts both the dangers and promises of entering this brave new world.”
(Bruce Greyson, Editor, Journal of Near-Death Studies )

I have studied his work and a question that immediately sprang to my mind was the fact that this was the only legally allowed study of it kind and it was funded by the Freemasons!

Prof Rick Strassman is brilliant for answering any questions you have and when presented with "why the Freemasons?", he said "We thought it strange as well but it was the only way we could get the study done by accepting their offer". It goes to show you their influence in that it was granted.

Rick went on further to explain that they the freemasons were intrested in the relationship between DMT and Schitzophrenia? (voices in heads, thats sounds familiar).

There is also a film called the spirit molecule, worth a look.

I recently purchased a beer huggie that says "I do what the voices in my wife's head tell me to"

[bearcow]

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
..if as Lou suggests, the "ETs" have such complete control to the extent that they can control virtually all aspects of humanity ... why would they not be able to "insert themselves" into the meditation process as well???

First of all, we should understand what the term ET encompasses, vis a vis Lou's context. We're not really talking so much about the low-level types, such as Greys, Reps, Annunakis, and so forth. The folks that travel around in ships and such are certainly able to enter human minds, which are open books to them, but they are not the ones really in control. There are far higher beings, beings who would seem to be gods to us on the scale of manifestation, who are on the job 24/7, though operating at a level inconceivable to us in our diminished capacity (slow vibratory frequency). In terms of meditation, for example, we may suddenly feel inspired with a solution to a vexing problem that we might never have otherwise thought of, unless it was suggested subliminally to us in a receptive meditative state. According to Lou, the ones behind that insertion are the god-like ET's he refers to, the same ones who inserted various ideas that later blossomed into the world's religions, for example, or tech breakthroughs.

Now, before we go scratching our heads at that concept, consider this, from one of the most highly regarded spiritual authorities in modern times, Ramana Maharshi:

"Siva, Ganapati and other deities like Brahma, exist from a human standpoint; that is to say, if you consider your personal self as real, then they also exist. Just as a government has its high executive officers to carry on the government, so has the creator."

good stuff bob

[Mike]

that would make for a class signature, your Purpleness

[PurpleLama]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
that would make for a class signature, your Purpleness

I agree, but I will stick with my plausible deniability, at least for now. The other huggie I found says "When life gives you lemons, KEEP THEM, because, hey, free lemons"

[another bob]

Posted by bearcow (here)
"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..."
— Dr. Seuss

http://www.pbase.com/1heart/youll_decide

[Cerridwen]

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by bearcow (here)
"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..."
— Dr. Seuss

http://www.pbase.com/1heart/youll_decide

What a little cutie pie!

[songsfortheotherkind]

If anything comes to me with the philosophies and intentions of heteronomy and homogeny, I know it's nothing to do with high vibration energies and it's part of the virus projection, which doesn't actually extend out into the rest of the multiverse. The multiverse isn't infected with the virus nor does the multiverse support the judeo-christian/islamic/other (and previous religious ideas) view that suffering is the path to 'enlightenment'. If this were so, then the best thing that we can do for our children is to beat the beejums out of them and treat them like crap, because anything else is just hampering their path to enlightenment. We'd be educating them to accept and be peaceful with the treatment because this is the path to understanding. It's strange how, when one takes that worldview to its logical conclusion, there is general revulsion and 'oh no, it doesn't work like that', but then in the next breath insisting that for the 'gods' and 'enlightened beings' who are apparently directing things from afar it is precisely like that and they allow the same brutal learning process to happen. Sometimes they even arrange it, while saying that it's enlightenment to be peaceful with such things because suffering is the path to understanding.

0-o

Bizarre notions based upon immersion in a world wide viral miasm. I have personal experience of realities that absolutely, utterly do not contain any of these ideas whatsoever; the *only* place I've come into contact with it is here on this planet. I've seen the quarantine energy and how many are involved in keeping it there. I have had long conversations with Beings in other places that have spoken with me at length about the insidious nature of accepting that view, and how the acceptance of it- if allowed out into the rest of the multiverse- would be the ultimate vehicle for the spread of the virus- because not allowing the manifestations of the virus by not accepting suffering would be considered 'unenlightened', just like the constant suggestion that non-corporeal is superior to corporeal and that those who like and even embrace the physical manifestation are in some way unenlightened, because if they were enlightened, they'd be wanting to disembody like they should while proclaiming physical manifestation as being a lower, base expression. I've been running into that more and more lately. I'm going silent again a lot when I'm out.

I'm spending a lot more time and effort in hanging out in the Otherrealms these days for precisely these reasons. It's reviving hanging out with Others who get the whole virus expression and who don't support or give space to the 'suffering as good for you' meme. What I'm watching now is the 'choose your own adventure' process going on here, which has been the way it's been decided to deal with the issue: essentially, the individual's preferences, biases, 'world as universe' view and mindset is channeling the individual towards a particular expression of 'reality' and that's where they're going to be able to continue their exploration. My 'Verse is as real/unreal as the others, it just happens to be where I prefer to be- who knows if that will be here or somewhere else? I used to think that staying 'here' was the idea, but I don't think that now.

There are so many curious and subtle expressions of virus dissemination going on now that I feel like a heretic in trying to point them out, because the virus is embedded in so much of what is considered 'spiritual wisdom'. Who am I to point to the words of this or that guru, or the Buddha, or whatever other spiritual/religious icon there is and say 'see there? that thing there? that's a virus spreading mechanism'.

For those who may be tuned into such things: have you felt the shadow being forming around this planet, the one that the virus and general population wishes to replace Gaia with? The manifestation of all that distorted energy that is being so solidly contained within the quarantine and the will of those who wish to be governed and controlled- 'save us! who will save us! we want a messiah!'. I have been feeling this strange shift in Gaia's signal and have been asking a great deal of questions deep in the Otherrealms about it, because Gaia's not exactly the kind of Being who answers her phone much. It seems that there is the increasing possibility the physical avatar of Gaia may be abandoned to the shadow being, given that the general population is worshipping it so determinedly because they want to be saved, they want something to worship and they don't care to think about the logical conclusion of that desire and intention, nor do they care much about the implication of slavery as long as the slavery is comfortable.

Logistically, the idea of diverting nearly 7 billion beings somewhere else- does this make sense, compared to simply shifting the far smaller number of those who have the 'splinter in their minds', those who carry the cosmic signal, somewhere else? I've personally played with multiplicity and inhabiting other bodies while being in this one- I've done it several times in the past few years, there's so much plasticity 'out there' in terms of what's possible with avatars and 'another slice of the same loaf' expressions of Self- I've been shown that the same thing can happen with planetary avatars. I have been feeling the separating occurring here beneath my feet- has anyone else been feeling that, I wonder? I haven't been talking about this stuff for awhile but I'm going back to it because it's what I'm truly interested in.

I am very aware now that Gaia may leave, given the continuous and increasing assault on her core. I've previously spoken about the constant assault and that it is her great beating heart that they are after, and that they were never going to get it, but I've never said why I know they're never going to get it.

I'm aware that the vast majority of beings here on this planet are so homo sapien as to be unable to evolve as much as a planetary shift requires. Perhaps this is the new level of Annunaki universe after all and that it is here the virus shall be contained, sealed off utterly as the previous one was, at least until the next evolution expresses itself somewhere in the millions of years ahead. I know that when I tune the water now I go to another planet, and no matter how hard I try I can't make the tuning connect to the mother of waters here that was happening previously. I've been curious about that, but the picture is becoming clearer.

I have no interest whatsoever in a universe that's being continually seeded for the spread of the virus. I'm working with that in me and getting more and more comfortable with however that plays out- I've been sensing a planetary wide shift in that signal as well, amongst the Otherkind that showed up here for Gaia; there is a growing sense of acceptance and withdrawal. I wonder if anyone else is feeling it. I feel it every time I go out into the main forum and read what's being spoken about there, observe the interactions and words; I feel it when I look out at the world's population and traverse the internet- and I just have no energy whatsoever for any of it. It's not hopelessness, or apathy, it's a growing sense of shimmering acceptance of the strong possibility this planet is going to be abandoned to the virus. How many hostile 'ET's GO HOME' messages are necessary? How many 'leave us to our own path!' and 'f*uck off, manipulators!' do we need, really? Sui generis is our determining signal and who are we to argue with the clearly emerging pattern of determination?

See, that's the thing with sui generis: those who practice it recognise the right of those who don't know anything about it to have their way. It's always been the question of balance, and the right of the many to have things the way that they want it is always there. The many are clamouring for a virus laden vision- who are we to deny them that right? The previous Annunaki dimension was ruptured by a one way rift that closed up some time after their initial mass incursion into this plane, and to open up the gateway again would require a massive effort to unknown effect- what happens if it's descended into what some would describe as a hell dimension? Or is in the process of collapse because all possibility for evolution has ended? Does it not make more sense to accept that the presence of the virus and its carriers here is an indication that this is the way things are and that this is now the new virus dimension?

Gaia's expression of avatar has clearly demonstrated zhur fundamental ability to adapt to changing circumstances. Perhaps this development is also a bigger expression of Gaia's own evolution. It is not unimaginable to us that what happens in the micro also happens in the macro, even on a planetary scale. I have been looking at the profound levels of noise everywhere- 'march against this! revolt against that! uprise, war, rebel, protest!' and I have no energy or inclination for the discussions that could be had but won't be, so caught up in the stories are the individuals. I'm not sure yet if I'm still being inspired to keep expressing the concepts of sui generis- I know my own passion and fire for it is waning in the face of such monumental addiction to story, but that may also be a temporary waning while the perspective and energy continues to shift. Perhaps I'll keep expressing the idea of sui generis while I'm still here just to keep my links with the Otherrealms that I truly love to be a part of, and the Beings I truly love to be connected with, strong.

I wonder if the glowing blue water planet I keep tuning to is where Gaia is planning to shift permanently to- her energetic signature is already there, in a different way, but I get that with the whole 'different slice' concept. When I spread my awareness beyond that one small bay that I keep landing next to there are so many familiar energies and signals that it takes my breath away in joy. That will be so amazing, because it's a stunning place. I'm always happy to follow the signal. I have no intention of staying here if the shadow being is going to be installed in the avatar's core: perhaps that's why the Otherkind are really here, not to re-open the portals and gates back up to the multiverse, but to finally destroy them forever. I had never considered that possibility but I'm considering it these days. It seems the most likely of the scenarios.

It *could* be possible to shift the virus into a different dimension, and that would take a mighty expression of energy. There is still debate going on about the merits and demerits of such an action. I'm ok with either way, although I can see the 'wizardly' concern regarding messing with things in such a big way. None of us are so arrogant to think that there won't be possibly worse ramifications than what happened when we first opened the gates here, which is why the abandonment option is getting so much support.

So, exodus? or godlike actions? This seems to be the consideration, because 'co-existence' has been demonstrated as impossible. That one has been settled, at least.

[Mike]

Posted by Borden (here)
My sober opinion is that this scene is indeed as funny as you think it is. That film (Old School) sits proudly in my increasingly huge DVD collection, and when I first saw that particular scene I was in bits. Does this change of sig mean I really was Ron Burgundy all along? I knew it. You were playing with my mind, you fiend! If anyone's going to show Christina Applegate his jazz flute I want it to be me!

Are you drunk again ... or did your night out with that friend turn into drunkenness of a more epic nature?

that night on the town went like this...(the condensed version)

yrs ago i met a man named john, from liverpool, england. a self described football hooligan. there's a pub here in town that shows exclusively english football, and we became friends when i sort of helped him out of a jam at said pub.

he came here to the states to care for an ailing uncle, which is sort of ironic given his violent nature. he's wildly charismatic and very funny, but also very very violent. i've never seen someone so maniacally fueled by violence. where i'm from, the fight is over when the other guy doesn't fight back; where he's from the fight is over when the other guy is unconscious.

he sort of looked the part too. shaved head. scars all over his skull. knife wounds on arm, leg, and abdomen. you name it. to top it all off he wore these shiny black ass-kicker lace-up boots -- something you might see on a hitler youth or something. note: when i saw the "Charles" interview i thought 'holy hell, it's john!' it wasn't, of course, but the similarities were uncanny.

so he phones me a couple nights ago (he's since moved to California, and was in town visiting) and i almost didn't pick it up, but the last time i did this he came to my house, went into my garage and placed a ladder next to my 2nd story bedroom window and climbed up n in and more or less dragged me outta bed and made me go out. so i pick him up and we go to a local bar for a little pre-game, warming up before we hit the city...

after a couple beers we begin doing what we always used to do after a few beers, which was make fun of each other relentlessly. but after a while he was crossing lines, was really out of order, so i started crossing lines too and the tension levels shot thru the roof. though by the time we left the pub i thought we had settled down. i was wrong.

he approaches me as i'm unlocking my car door and says "don't ever fookin embarrass me like that again!" and drives him palm up thru my chin. before i realize what has happened, he's already butted and punched me, at least twice, i think; i'm not entirely sure, i was seeing stars and i think i was out on my feet for a second or two. i just remember him screaming "don't ever fookin this...don't ever fookin that.." i don't know if everyone in england says "fookin" instead of fu#ckin, but self-described hooligans from liverpool do.

we tussled briefly on the ground, a few mins maybe. he had a taste for blood and he was just pummeling my ass. he fought wildly though, thank heavens, and by the good grace of god i secured an armbar, which left him in sort of a helpless position. i just sort of held it there, still in shock, still trying to get my bearings straight. but i had a dilemma. i could have probably broke his arm or messed up his shoulder really bad, but he knows where i live and the war would have continued forever. but if i let him go i was going to get smashed. i knew this because he kept saying : "you are fookin dead, mate! fookin dead!" then he did a little parody on my last name, which i won't reveal here (call it Smith) and he drew out one of the letters and kept saying "Smiiiiith, you're fookin last, mate! smiiiiith, you're fookin soooooft, mate!" again, i don't know what being "last" means, i've never been insulted that way -- perhaps Borden can help.

so i let the guy go and sure enough he starts pummelling me again. but again he was sloppy and i got the arm bar, and i was fully prepared to hold it there for the next 10 yrs if that's what it took. the police arrived about 2-3mins later. (i found out later they were called almost the second we left the bar) and though i'd just spent the previous 10 mins getting my ass kicked, they pulled me off of him and gave *me* the treatment because all that they saw was that i had the dominant position at that time. amazing.

the funniest thing about the whole night was the part when i turned to the cop and said, thru a bloody mouth and traumitized tongue inspired lisp: "he thstarted it." i have no idea where that came from, but suddenly i was 10yrs old again, on the playground.

john was arrested. i was allowed to leave; witnesses spoke to my defense. funny thing: he called me today as if nothing even happened, and asked for a ride to the airport on thursday. an even funnier thing: i plan on taking him.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
that night on the town went like this...(the condensed version)

john was arrested. i was allowed to leave; witnesses spoke to my defense. funny thing: he called me today as if nothing even happened, and asked for a ride to the airport on thursday. an even funnier thing: i plan on taking him.

I do not find it accidental that your post here followed directly on the post I just made. Perfection indeed.