An exploration of Jesus, could he have been influenced by extra-dimensionals?

[panopticon]

G'day All,

I've presented my opinion and research regards the historical figure known as 'Jesus' on a number of threads however am too short of time at the moment to engage in what will likely be another long (and probably futile) discussion.

I look forward to reading the various opinions, arguments, quotes and counter quotes that will inevitably arise.

My perspective is:

• There was probably an historical figure named Jesus.
• He was not from Nazareth (archaeological evidence clearly shows it didn't exist at the time of his alleged birth).
• Some apocalyptic/messianic Jews and other groups of the period created a central figure that enabled them to explain the destruction of Jerusalem and the 2nd Temple in 70CE by the Romans.
• This social group then expanded organically and held gatherings that were referred as "townhall meetings" (but were actually just people getting together around kitchen tables to chat).
• A hierarchical structure was eventually created and this assisted in the adoption of Christianity by Constantine as the Roman State religion (as a means of first removing power from the various competing sects/religions and then consolidating it in what became known as the Roman Church).

I've been down this trail before and just don't have time to repeat myself ad nauseum. Yes I have presented evidence to back up what I'm saying. No it isn't conclusive. No I don't care one way or the other if an historical 'Jesus' even existed (I'm of the opinion that the myth is probably based in some fact) as I'm not a Christian and don't care one way or the other.

I have read the Bible a few times and many of the Coptic texts referred to above (The Nag Hammadi Library) as well as the early writings of some "Church Fathers" (Origen Adamantius for example) and really haven't found anything to say otherwise outside of dogma and tradition.

Anyway, now I've spent 25 minutes (that I will never get back) presenting an argument that I've defended a number of times but choose not to again as I simply don't have the time.

Good luck with the thread!
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[9eagle9]

I'm not sure where immense amount of testimonies were made about him were silenced.

Quoting from Scripture isn't personal testimony; it's quoting from Scripture.

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
Hi Folks – I am hoping to create an exploratory discussion of Jesus and do so with clear guidelines about what we should stick to in this thread. I request posters honor this request.

i appriciate the effort trying to figure out Jesus

but when we silence the immense number of testimonies about Him

then it is like exploring the sun by locking oneself up in a cellar and reading about it


i could spend my whole life

wading through all of the highly divergent information about Jesus

and die none the wiser


as i see it Jesus is about to wrap up this age

and so all will know who He is


and then we can move on

[RedeZra]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I'm not sure where immense amount of testimonies were made about him were silenced.

Quoting from Scripture isn't personal testimony; it's quoting from Scripture.

oh here you go...

Posted by justoneman
I respect all beliefs of all folks that walk the earth but this thread is not for posting fundamentalist views/arguements nor defend the Jesus one may happen to believe in by quoting from the Bible nor supporting arguments based on first hand or second hand testimonials that then support what is known as “scripture.”

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

My theory is that Mary was a little spice girl, she met some dude and had some hanky panky but she was devoted to Joseph and when she missed her period she told Joseph that an angel had come and visited her and he (being Joseph) ran around telling everyone and basically all his mates were like " yeah right !! she's done the nasty on you"

But there were people that wanted to believe Mary's story and they swarmed her and well to cut a long story short .. Jesus was born with people telling him he's special and that he's the son of god and then what a life he had.

If Mary could see the world today with all the churches and the vatican ect ect she'd no doubt put her fingers to her chin and with a little giggle and say " oops "

[9eagle9]

Those are not personal testimonies the Bible isn't based on personal testimony its based on the testimony of the narrator of any given chapter.

A personal account would be member X who gave a blow by blow account of some interaction with Jesus and then presented evidence of that encounter.

I've had a number of experiences with said entity. Because they are personal , they are personal so no testimony is necessary. Personal means they don't apply to anyone else but me.

[markpierre]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Humans can´t walk on water. Human´s can´t magically heal serious diseases. Humans can´t resurrect the dead.

So, if the story we´re told is indeed the truth, I think he was not only assisted by extra-terrestrials/extra-dimensional beings; I believe he might have been one of them indeed.

Humans absolutely can do all those things if they fully believe they can.
And a lot of other weird things humans aren't supposed to be able to do, but they have and they do and they will later too.
You're right, humans can't heal, nor could Jesus because that's not how healing works. He would have said the same.
It comes from the mind that thinks it's sick. The same place the sickness came from.

A lot of those miracles were true, or something like them occurred, and a few are older stories. You tell me if any or all of them are impossible.
I suppose it's just as 'miraculous' if a space ship with a replicator is beaming fish and bread into a basket. It would certainly be remembered somehow.

I've seen impossible, and I've done things I wouldn't have considered very 'possible'. I still question things in retrospect, but we affect each other every time we imagine each other.
That's weird.
geez....Sai Baba used to manifest mementos for the tourists. St Teressa did some crazy healing down in Mexico. Don't bother with the Pope to tell you what's miraculous.

Jesus was just a guy, but a very evolved guy. He had a freeking illumination and managed to keep it. That's doing well. When you're at a certain level and when you're really passionate about something, you usually continue on with whatever it is. His thing was essentially psychology and psychotherapy. Buddha started the consciousness thing, that was his passion. Then when consciousness was ready, Jesus had to get human awareness out of it's head and into it's heart. The best thing to do was alleviate fear. Sort of how the aliens have to deal with us.
Nothing works very well towards love and Oneness when everyone's terrified. It was a job. You're here doing a job too, whatever it is.

Learning to think with the rest of the universe and trust the cause of oneself, is a lot easier and faster than thinking and pushing against it. It's not that hard.
Anyone listening made some good ground towards us all awakening.
The church became of course, the ego refusing the death of itself. Armageddon would be a likely end of all that.

He taught people how to develop their hearts and contact their own real selves. We really are supposed to be aware of our source. To the initiates he taught the mysteries like any good teacher with a few talented pupils.
Check out the instructions for laymen sometime, there's enough of them left if you look around. They're really sensible.
Those guys back then had a little better incentive. Times were pretty rough.
A lot of those things there we still mostly refuse to do.

That's the issue with Jesus. What he said. Not the miracles. "I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father."
So whats he mean by Father? Some God guy? Daddy alien? Home? Reality? Totality? 'The truth'? His own whole Self? The cause of us?
One of those. He said "I am". He must have figured something out that included him..
Or 'faith in me'? Like listen and apply the lessons? A little discipline? Enough belief to actually make it so? People play around with the manifestation idea a lot. Why would it have limits?

I like the alien idea too.

[Prodigal Son]

Posted by justoneman (here)
why have so many of the magicians alive today gone to satanism, demonology, animal/human sacrifice, negative intentional magical practice?

And why have the John Changs who have been involved with secret societies that teach these types of healing methodologies been castigated for going public by their human society members as well as the entities they say they communicate with and are also their teachers who are not of this world as happened with John Chang?

This is why I have the very question I posed in post # 7 Clearly Chang's intentions in allowing a filmed demo to be made were completely and totally benevolent. He wanted to demostrate Qi Gong healing technology and yet he was told he did very, very wrong by these supposed "good" entities and never went public again.

And this technology can be performed by anyone - we all have the ability.

Awesome thread!

Personally, I happen to know a great many "healers", the majority of them being "Reiki Masters". On the other hand, I do not know, nor have I ever met, a full-fledged, consciously and willfully practicing black magician/Satanist. Perhaps it's just a matter of the company I seek

I do not believe that the entities who castigated Mr. Chang are the same as the ones where he got his knowledge from. I have been reading the works of Great Masters for quite a few years now and just about every one is humble enough to admit that even THEY can be fooled. There is such a fine line between the negative and the positive, and one thing that sometimes dastardly Bible got right is that Satan (Jehovah) does indeed pose as an "Angel of Light".

One thing I do know for sure is that this Universe is "powered" by love and benevolence. It seeks to evolve towards the True God, the Prime Source, who is pure Love and Light. Someone has to provide the negative energy otherwise we do not evolve, we remain stagnant. No suffering is in vain.

As for Yehoshua Ben Yosef living to over 100 years in India, I also do not discount the theory that he SURVIVED the crucifixion, as claimed by the Church Father Irenaeus. There is certainly much "evidence" right inside the Bible to support that notion.....

http://www.markmason.net/ch4ex2.htm

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Chri...ucifixion.aspx

[Chester]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I'm not sure where immense amount of testimonies were made about him were silenced.

Quoting from Scripture isn't personal testimony; it's quoting from Scripture.

oh here you go...

Posted by justoneman
I respect all beliefs of all folks that walk the earth but this thread is not for posting fundamentalist views/arguements nor defend the Jesus one may happen to believe in by quoting from the Bible nor supporting arguments based on first hand or second hand testimonials that then support what is known as “scripture.”

Hi RedeZra - I asked kindly that we do not post these types of posts in this thread.

You have threads in several parts of this forum for that level of discussion.

I was very clear about this request and yet within less than 24 hours of my creation of this thread you have to post exactly what I kindly asked you and others to leave out of this one single thread.

Within this same category you have the other thread I created - jesus the man / JESUS the Archon which everyone is able to engage each other and this includes those that support your point of view.

If you had a thread you created where you asked non fundamentalist, non literal interpretations of anything Biblical and/or anything Christian to not be posted in your thread I would certainly honor your request.

Why is it impossible for you to honor my request so we can have just one thread in this huge forum where there are thousands of threads you can post these typs of arguments and where you can even create your own thread along these lines?

Please, do not derail this thread... Please

[Chester]

Posted by markpierre (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Humans can´t walk on water. Human´s can´t magically heal serious diseases. Humans can´t resurrect the dead.

So, if the story we´re told is indeed the truth, I think he was not only assisted by extra-terrestrials/extra-dimensional beings; I believe he might have been one of them indeed.

Humans absolutely can do all those things if they fully believe they can.
And a lot of other weird things humans aren't supposed to be able to do, but they have and they do and they will later too.
You're right, humans can't heal, nor could Jesus because that's not how healing works. He would have said the same.
It comes from the mind that thinks it's sick. The same place the sickness came from.

A lot of those miracles were true, or something like them occurred, and a few are older stories. You tell me if any or all of them are impossible.
I suppose it's just as 'miraculous' if a space ship with a replicator is beaming fish and bread into a basket. It would certainly be remembered somehow.

I've seen impossible, and I've done things I wouldn't have considered very 'possible'. I still question things in retrospect, but we affect each other every time we imagine each other.
That's weird.
geez....Sai Baba used to manifest mementos for the tourists. St Teressa did some crazy healing down in Mexico. Don't bother with the Pope to tell you what's miraculous.

Jesus was just a guy, but a very evolved guy. He had a freeking illumination and managed to keep it. That's doing well. When you're at a certain level and when you're really passionate about something, you usually continue on with whatever it is. His thing was essentially psychology and psychotherapy. Buddha started the consciousness thing, that was his passion. Then when consciousness was ready, Jesus had to get human awareness out of it's head and into it's heart. The best thing to do was alleviate fear. Sort of how the aliens have to deal with us.
Nothing works very well towards love and Oneness when everyone's terrified. It was a job. You're here doing a job too, whatever it is.

Learning to think with the rest of the universe and trust the cause of oneself, is a lot easier and faster than thinking and pushing against it. It's not that hard.
Anyone listening made some good ground towards us all awakening.
The church became of course, the ego refusing the death of itself. Armageddon would be a likely end of all that.

He taught people how to develop their hearts and contact their own real selves. We really are supposed to be aware of our source. To the initiates he taught the mysteries like any good teacher with a few talented pupils.
Check out the instructions for laymen sometime, there's enough of them left if you look around. They're really sensible.
Those guys back then had a little better incentive. Times were pretty rough.
A lot of those things there we still mostly refuse to do.

That's the issue with Jesus. What he said. Not the miracles. "I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father."
So whats he mean by Father? Some God guy? Daddy alien? Home? Reality? Totality? 'The truth'? His own whole Self? The cause of us?
One of those. He said "I am". He must have figured something out that included him..
Or 'faith in me'? Like listen and apply the lessons? A little discipline? Enough belief to actually make it so? People play around with the manifestation idea a lot. Why would it have limits?

I like the alien idea too.

markpierre - your excellent summary of your view of Jesus is the view I share. Its realistic and does not take anything away from the man at all whatsoever. Reading your post was like drinking a glass of pure, cool water after a long run on a hot beachfront. Again, thank you.

[Chester]

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
why have so many of the magicians alive today gone to satanism, demonology, animal/human sacrifice, negative intentional magical practice?

And why have the John Changs who have been involved with secret societies that teach these types of healing methodologies been castigated for going public by their human society members as well as the entities they say they communicate with and are also their teachers who are not of this world as happened with John Chang?

This is why I have the very question I posed in post # 7 Clearly Chang's intentions in allowing a filmed demo to be made were completely and totally benevolent. He wanted to demostrate Qi Gong healing technology and yet he was told he did very, very wrong by these supposed "good" entities and never went public again.

And this technology can be performed by anyone - we all have the ability.

Awesome thread!

Personally, I happen to know a great many "healers", the majority of them being "Reiki Masters". On the other hand, I do not know, nor have I ever met, a full-fledged, consciously and willfully practicing black magician/Satanist. Perhaps it's just a matter of the company I seek

I do not believe that the entities who castigated Mr. Chang are the same as the ones where he got his knowledge from. I have been reading the works of Great Masters for quite a few years now and just about every one is humble enough to admit that even THEY can be fooled. There is such a fine line between the negative and the positive, and one thing that sometimes dastardly Bible got right is that Satan (Jehovah) does indeed pose as an "Angel of Light".

One thing I do know for sure is that this Universe is "powered" by love and benevolence. It seeks to evolve towards the True God, the Prime Source, who is pure Love and Light. Someone has to provide the negative energy otherwise we do not evolve, we remain stagnant. No suffering is in vain.

As for Yehoshua Ben Yosef living to over 100 years in India, I also do not discount the theory that he SURVIVED the crucifixion, as claimed by the Church Father Irenaeus. There is certainly much "evidence" right inside the Bible to support that notion.....

http://www.markmason.net/ch4ex2.htm

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Chri...ucifixion.aspx

Excellent post - the point you made about Chang (as well as bearcow was making) has hit home. The struggle with the light and the dark is quite difficult and when a master sticks his head above the water, it is very easy for the head to be chopped off. Whether his spirit guide(s) were benevolent or malevolent is not at all something I could determine - the point I was trying to make (which is so idealistic that it is likely all but impossible) is that it is my view we can access wisdom directly within and not require spirit guides nor need to engage spirit guides. I suggest this because it appears to me that this dynamic of extra-dimensional good guys and extra-dimensional bad guys is the very dynamic that keeps us in the trap humanity finds itself in today.

The world by its very nature is a world of form and that means the fundamental first step outside of "emptiness" is an object within or in opposition to another object. The first step of the creation of form is essentially the creation of duality. We cannot escape form unless we are all absorbed back into the "all that is and there is nothing else and not even that."

This does not mean that the extremes we experience on earth at this time have to occur. My point is that when we give our own creative power and our own ability to access source within for answers via intermediaries of any kind, we empower those intermediaries and assist in the creation of a triality of - supernatural good / humanity / supernatural evil.

Not that the triality would disappear as it fundamentally cannot - but when we disregard our own role in how we empower the other 2/3rds of this dynamic... where we find ourselves on the brink of destroying our planet and/or murdering a significantly large percentage of the population of earth which would include all the innocent life forms on our planet that is proposed by a tiny representational faction within the 'supernaturally bad' consciously aware of this supernatural influence and consciously accepted and aligned with influence then the triality is dramatically imbalanced and humanity on earth can become either extinct or where the access to their soul has been completely shut off.

That is the stated plans of some within the group of humanity we call the elite and it is clear to some of us within humanity that the majority of humanity is the target.

Its my view that by feeding either end of the supernatural spectrum by denying we have or assuming we don't have (whether consciously or unconsciously) the same abilities within is to be complicit in the success of the plan of the darker elements on earth at this time.

That is why I react when someone defends (because of reverence for ancient traditions of secrecy) the white secret societies. If the word secret is in the mix - someone has been held out and those who are in on the secret are in a conspiracy of sorts and the ones outside of the secret miss the boat.

Secrecy in any form is complicit in solidifying the walls between the two ends of the supernatural spectrum that has humanity locked in the prison and humanity has its own responsibility in creating and maintaining the walls.

My suggestion is that humanity tear down the walls and meet the supernatural (spirit world) on equal ground and look the supernatural world eyeball to eyeball. In that way we can reverse the direction the extremes of the supernatural world are taking (which is extending away from humanity) and we can then stop being the food supply for this world and start being equals within creation.

Easy to say, hard to do (at least hard for just this one human).

[Prodigal Son]

Posted by justoneman (here)
it is my view we can access wisdom directly within and not require spirit guides nor need to engage spirit guides. I suggest this because it appears to me that this dynamic of extra-dimensional good guys and extra-dimensional bad guys is the very dynamic that keeps us in the trap humanity finds itself in today...... My point is that when we give our own creative power and our own ability to access source within for answers via intermediarries of any kind

Yes, I agree, and I do believe this is the whole point of that story about a Golden Calf in the Wilderness....

I also wanted to clarify something else.... that if anybody is insulted by the Jehovah being Satan thing, that this is the work of the Dark Cabal. I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, and I must say that this religion is as close to the truth and yet as far away from the truth as possible, all at the same time! It's basically false Christianity on Kabbalistic steroids.

YHWH is actually the Divine Spark within. The study of Gnostic Kabbalah breaks down the entire Hebrew Alphabet and how it relates to the Tree of Life. They have attempted to lock those of us willing to dig deeper on the quest for the truth, into a quandary where we end up cursing the True God. There are two types of Kabbalah.... Intellectual and Intuitive. The former is Satanic black magic and the latter incarnates the Christ, synonymous with "YHWH". Obviously, the people who compiled the Bible into the form it takes today took the good stuff and mixed it with their own bad stuff. A good example would be Ezra rewriting the Torah while in "exile" in Babylon... the Roman Councils finished the job.

So basically, they took the Divine Spark within (Jehovah) and turned it into some deluded Demiurge Astronaut from the Pleiades.....

[Chester]

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
it is my view we can access wisdom directly within and not require spirit guides nor need to engage spirit guides. I suggest this because it appears to me that this dynamic of extra-dimensional good guys and extra-dimensional bad guys is the very dynamic that keeps us in the trap humanity finds itself in today...... My point is that when we give our own creative power and our own ability to access source within for answers via intermediarries of any kind

Yes, I agree, and I do believe this is the whole point of that story about a Golden Calf in the Wilderness....

I also wanted to clarify something else.... that if anybody is insulted by the Jehovah being Satan thing, that this is the work of the Dark Cabal. I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, and I must say that this religion is as close to the truth and yet as far away from the truth as possible, all at the same time! It's basically false Christianity on Kabbalistic steroids.

YHWH is actually the Divine Spark within. The study of Gnostic Kabbalah breaks down the entire Hebrew Alphabet and how it relates to the Tree of Life. They have attempted to lock those of us willing to dig deeper on the quest for the truth, into a quandary where we end up cursing the True God. There are two types of Kabbalah.... Intellectual and Intuitive. The former is Satanic black magic and the latter incarnates the Christ, synonymous with "YHWH". Obviously, the people who compiled the Bible into the form it takes today took the good stuff and mixed it with their own bad stuff. A good example would be Ezra rewriting the Torah while in "exile" in Babylon... the Roman Councils finished the job.

So basically, they took the Divine Spark within (Jehovah) and turned it into some deluded Demiurge Astronaut from the Pleiades.....

Great post - man I am glad I am not alone on this planet...

You raise the excellent point of how everyone places things in either a "good" camp or a "bad" camp and all this does is throw the baby out with the bath water. Please, post more... Thanks, Prodigal Son, justone

[Prodigal Son]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Its my view that by feeding either end of the supernatural spectrum by denying we have or assuming we don't have (whether consciously or unconsciously) the same abilities within is to be complicit in the success of the plan of the darker elements on earth at this time.

That is why I react when someone defends (because of reverence for ancient traditions of secrecy) the white secret societies. If the word secret is in the mix - someone has been held out and those who are in on the secret are in a conspiracy of sorts and the ones outside of the secret miss the boat.

Secrecy in any form is complicit in solidifying the walls between the two ends of the supernatural spectrum that has humanity locked in the prison and humanity has its own responsibility in creating and maintaining the walls.

My suggestion is that humanity tear down the walls and meet the supernatural (spirit world) on equal ground and look the supernatural world eyeball to eyeball. In that way we can reverse the direction the extremes of the supernatural world are taking (which is extending away from humanity) and we can then stop being the food supply for this world and start being equals within creation.

Easy to say, hard to do (at least hard for just this one human).

I agree that this should be our goal, once we are ready for it. But as someone on this forum so aptly put it, we are for the time being stuck here in a "meat suit" that is vulnerable to..... being abruptly terminated. The White Lodge guys have consistently, and I believe sensibly, put up the argument that if they did not remain in secrecy, they wouldn't be around very long. They have been seriously put on the defensive. Millions of Gnostics were exterminated by the Roman Church, and Jesus clearly indicated that the death of every martyr could be blamed on "Jerusalem". Since these Intellectual Kabbalists have clearly infiltrated "Christianity", there is tremendous hidden wisdom in that statement. We're not talking about "Jews" here. We're identifying the Satanic bloodline that originated from the survivors of Atlantis and into Babylon, and they are, I hate to even say it, reptilian in the nature of their "souls". They have a lot more evolving to do than those of us on the side of benevolence and compassion, but they are not lost.

Mithraism was the White Lodge attempt to free the world from the clutches of the Dark Cabal... a Mithraic priest named Paul, probably unwittingly, combined it with the Orthodox corruption that defines "Christianity" today. Even he, being an initiate, taught that one could not consume the meat until they first were able to digest the milk. He clearly said that the story of Sarah and Hagar, which enables the two-tiered "Elite" ideology, was an allegory.

God help us if the White Lodges were ever completely wiped out. Jesus himself did say that not everyone was ready for the full truth and this is why he spoke in parables. According to the ancient wisdom traditions, it is not even possible to put the actual truth into written words, and so it is best conveyed through metaphors and allegories.

[Peace of Mind]

I believe Jesus was real and that he was not the first or the last to be seen in such a light. However, I’m very skeptical of a book that was re-written over and over.

Neither I nor anyone else can accurately say/prove what went on in the past; it’s all His-story. No one (today) really knows how to accurately read the bible, or confirm if most of it was written to be taken metaphorically, or literally. However, after experimentation…. I’ve come to see Jesus as the way of happiness…or as some say “My lord and savior, my Sheppard”, which (imo) is figuratively speaking.

IMO, I see Jesus as a strong, confident, loving, and fearless person who knew that great power comes with great responsibility. He always showed love for his fellow man/woman and enemies. He treasured nature and preached respect, accountability, and fellowship. He was a beacon of inspiration and the blue print to self empowerment. As Gods potential reveiling itself thru a human vessal.

I can relate in so many ways. I think we all are the second coming and that Jesus is truly inside all of us...but we have to realize this individually, It's a metaphor. You can't really learn the most high by learning from others, they are only guilds, You have to do this for self.

I also can see myself dying for those I love as well, I too see the populace as newborns that have yet to learn how to use their eyes. If Jesus died by way of sacrifice for our sins…how can I not feel blessed/privilege/empowered/honored/inspired/ambitious?

Imagine wasting your short time here on Earth contemplating your next moves, speculating other peoples moves, then die…...................what a waste that would be and a great disservice to self and everyone…including Jesus.

If someone gives their life for me… how can I not show my acknowledgement, my gratitude, and my love by repaying them back by being the best I can be…that's the least I can do.

If he was real or not is kind of unimportant (imo), his messages hold the real value. Many years ago I wanted change in my life…so I decided to walk in his footsteps…ever since then the world has been kind to me and I feel compel to tell others to open their hearts to his teachings, simply because they work. It seems those who have not taken on the task to do exactly what he has done…are the ones who blindly familiarize themselves with suffering. This is an understatement and not really a religious one.

Peace

[sirdipswitch]

Just Go Astral, and you can go ask him yourself. chuckle chuckle

love and peace
sirdipswitch

[RedeZra]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Hi RedeZra - I asked kindly that we do not post these types of posts in this thread.

You have threads in several parts of this forum for that level of discussion.

I was very clear about this request and yet within less than 24 hours of my creation of this thread you have to post exactly what I kindly asked you and others to leave out of this one single thread.

yes i do not think Jesus was influenced by et as et is just a nuage term for demons which Jesus used to cast out from people

even the Apostles by the Holy spirit got the power to bind demons and heal people

so my conclusion is that no et influenced Jesus but that He kicks their astral butts

[9eagle9]

That is an interesting perspective on the Jehovah's Witnesses. I would not in the least mind hearing more about that and how that developed.

The new age 'love' teachings we have in this day and age are form of satanic (ego driven) self indulgence which promotes a lot of basically just very immature ignorance. There is a reason why people view ignorance and willful stupidity as the greatest sin yet the observer must treat it as some sort of virtue.

That is a very insidious paradigm new religion for a new age of the same old ****. And most of those 'teachings' are very empty with no wisdom behind it, (all talk) and composed mostly of corrupted Christian core values that had nothing to do with Jesus. Love is not demonstrated but spoke of. Wisdom really cannot be conveyed in language; it can be supported by language but not conveyed in it's entirety. Wisdom is an expression and language is a very limited expression . One is however able to 'demonstrate' with comparisons or parable--particularly in illiterate societies then and now ( America being a very illiterate society now). One notices that what occurs in the spiritual realms is reflected in the physical realms.

If one take a quick skim through various new age forums you will see that intelligence and intellect are vilified for the reasons stated earlier. However its is how intelligence is used. . Intellect is simply the media that intelligence flows through high form or low form. Because intellgience has been used to control and suppress people intellect is vilified. That is no different than demonizing your faucet because your well ran dry.

Language though is the primary means of programming people especially illiterate people who haven't a clue as to what light, vibration, and dimensions really are and are now accepting corrupted definitions of such circumstances instead of bothering to find out what it really means. Espeically to them. Is that insane or what, to not bother to find out the real meanings of something that you are about to accept on to yourself?

Which means that anything of that nature is dealt with in a immature way. This has about as much self responsibility as having a Drano cocktail with a lye chaser because Guru X said it was so.

Really just spiritual immaturity. Spiritual evolution will of course sort that out eventually .There are other ways of looking at this as the dabblers don't really have the ability to absolutely destroy certain esoteric wisdom; they simply prevent the very thing they keep baah'ing for. One does of course reap what they've sown which is basically nothing. Nothing is expressed or demonstrated. It's just words and 'things to do."

Having a few me wannabes in my lifetime who have attempted to emulate some of things I demonstrate, they mimic my behaviors and my actions as if that is the source of whatever is occuring. . "I'm going to make a manifestational prayer tree and show everyone how enlightened I am."

The only difference no matter how many candles, and stones and offerings they make to the tree nothing happens. When I go to my tree something happens.

What is the difference? The trees? No, the trees, candles, beads and prayers don't have anything to do with what is occurring. They then turn into a distraction, where the focus is on what one is doing. I could conceivably have great wisdom by getting out my sacred lawn chair and beer but...the beer would be a distraction. This is why people who attempt to make themselves into guru's with practices to make the wisdom instead of practices to create an environment--a space-for wisdom to come in--are the first people to raise a red flag.

This occurs with a lot of people who are crossing the threshold of wisdom, becoming very suspicious of gurus who are attempting to create a following, even though they are not even sure WHY they are suspicious. They are , without words, simply knowing something they aren't consciously aware they know.

There has been a long tradition of esoteric practitioners keeping the esoteric a secret. Not to preserve it from the elite (who are already aware of it ) but the willfully stupid who, under the influence of this 'lite ' satanic influence would corrupt and pervert it for reasons of self indulgence only.

I see that on this forum daily. Someone mentioned Reiki earlier. That is one form of esoteric practice that was revived spiritually in the 1800's. By the late 1990's the new age sheep had watered down and twisted the wisdom of inner healing to the point it was virtually useless. Those who learned Reiki before it was massed produced and packaged for the sheeple have a much different way of manifesting with it. You cannot speak a word of it. Having been a Reiki master before I climbed out of that energy, I have observed that a Reiki master with 40 years of practice under their belt in no way can correct a Reiki apprentice who earned a certificate in the modality in one day last week. Those 'new' to the practice are always correct even though they have no idea what they are practicing isn't even Reiki anymore.

However those who have attempted to preserve something that may cause some profound spiritual awakening have been persecuted by the greedy new age masses as being selfish and withholding what is rightfully theirs even though they insist they do not need the self mastery appropriate to said esoteria.

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even the Apostles by the Holy spirit got the power to bind demons and heal people

so Jesus doesn't have to be directly involved to create such circumstances.

by your own self admission.

[Sierra]

Posted by justoneman
Hi RedeZra - I asked kindly that we do not post these types of posts in this thread.

You have threads in several parts of this forum for that level of discussion.

I was very clear about this request and yet within less than 24 hours of my creation of this thread you have to post exactly what I kindly asked you and others to leave out of this one single thread.

Within this same category you have the other thread I created - jesus the man / JESUS the Archon which everyone is able to engage others that come from your point of view.

If you had a thread you created where you asked non fundamentalist, non literal interpretations of anything Biblical and/or anything Christian to not be posted in your thread I would certainly honor your request.

Why is it impossible for you to honor my request so we can have just one thread in this huge forum where there are thousands of threads you can post these typs of arguments and where you can even create your own thread along these lines?

Please, do not derail this thread... Please

Redezra,

Please do not derail this thread as requested by the OP. You have many threads of your own, to present your POV. Allow others the same privilege please.

Regards, Sierra

[9eagle9]

The astral plane is where most EM mimicry takes place. That's rather like asking someone to go to Disney world and find a brunette under all the costuming.

Posted by sirdipswitch (here)
Just Go Astral, and you can go ask him yourself. chuckle chuckle

love and peace
sirdipswitch

[K626]

Trained by the Essene by the sea. Mystic and teacher YES. Son of 'god'? No.

In Dan's post earlier the Caycee link has it about spot on.

....And yes most of us have abilities within us that through correct traiing and certain rituals can be hugely beneficial to the person and those around them.

Peace

K