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    god damn you Borden, i have a life to live, mate! you guys are killing me with these monster posts!

    i'm out the door at the moment, but will check it out when i return. i've thanked it ahead of time cuz i'm sure it's brilliant.

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    Quote Posted by Chinaski (here)

    this has left me in the awkward position of feeling like i'm teaming with an older brother to gang up on my sister, and it's a very unpleasant feeling; i don't like it, but my sui generis is asking me to speak.


    Simple answer (from my simple mind) is that we *all* have certain issues to work on ... or else why would we have incarnated here of all places???

    Universe is certainly not a static entity ... always changing ... ever morphing.

    Circular perhaps rather than linear ... but even so ...

    Always good to remain open minded enough for self examination.

    If in a blinding flash of brilliance someone suddenly knew *everything* ... in the next instant something will have changed and the process would begin anew.

    As always IMHO


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    in finishing your monster post, borden, I could hear carly simon just a singin away

    "your so vain, you probably think this post is about you, don't you, don't you"

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    Not sure how to take that, PL ... so I'll take it well.

    Monster post? Give me a break ... haven't you seen some of Songsy's?!

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    Quote Posted by Chinaski (here)
    do you *really* think it's so strange that one would view you as traumitized, Songs, given what you've written here in these last few months? you can dress this up verbally any way you like, but come on. anyhoo, it wasn't intended as an insult in any way, shape or form -- just an observation. hell, *i'm* traumitized! if you don't like that description, can we at least agree that you've endured a set of unfortunate circumstances that have left you emotionally wounded? anyway, who cares? that's not really important.

    i should point out that i don't think you are *defective* in any way shape or form. also, i've almost *never* seen you adversarial; quite the contrary, you are almost always kind and patient and lovely. nor do you always need to be right; you are very open to other's opinions. where are you getting these ideas anyway, you goof? i've never come close to implying this -- will we have to be changing your name to Strawmanofanother kind?

    as far as the 'mind virus' goes, i think you've dropped some real gems regarding it, but i also think that finally it can be a bit much. in my mind, the constant harping on the virus may be worse that the virus itself! ever had a bad acid trip? second guessing yourself constantly? paranoid? if you keep this up pretty soon it'll be like that -- one day you'll wake up and you won't be clear if you really have to take a dump or if it's just the 'virus' playing parlor tricks on your colon. know what i mean, Songsy?

    hey, have we just had our first argument? is the honeymoon over? it doesn't matter, i still think you're tops. wanna be friends again?

    thing is, if i can't be honest in this thread it's over for 'ol Chinaski. i'll have to quit the forum, do the "i'm leaving" thread and all that,..."sorry Avalonians, it's been great knowing you all, and it's with great regret that i announce my departure..."
    argument? lol. not at all. I didn't think you were saying I was defective at all, it's the broadspeak I do when I'm holding more than one thing in the space. I keep iterating that my personal and broadspeak parameters have different language, and I really do focus things differently if I'm being personal. So not personal.

    You are totally free to tell me that my perspective is a bit much! I told you in the previous message to you, I don't need agreement. Why not try that out? See if I'm talking sh!t, then feel free to do with that whatever you want. I won't always like what you write either *and* so what? That has nothing to do with us as individuals. Which is my whole point. About non-agreement *and* being able to share a planet with each other without the urge to throw bombs, or create Great Walls, or hierarchies. That's my thing. You may or may not be interested in that.

    I'm actually having an increasingly awesome time with the mapping. My life is actually getting shinier, in ways that *I* consider Shiny. I like you. I don't mind if you're bluntly honest. Borden has stripped my skin off with his honesty at times. I'm still here.

    As for my comments regarding the trauma: I'm willing to be publicly vulnerable, raw, not have the answer in the moment, show the development of my process and evolution as it's happening, flail, evolve, grow and demonstrate with my own Self the principles I'm espousing, including when I derail off those and when/how I find my way back to the signal. This can make me look like a complete basket case. Ok. I'm not, as other moments will attest to. I too wish to be honest in this thread, which means not sanitising things to make them more comfortable for others or to make me look better. I utterly love your honesty, it's one of the things I truly appreciate about you. I have no interest in inhibiting it at all *and* I don't wish to inhibit mine either. <---- insert lots of piratey style cheesy grins here.

    I wish to play with you here, definitely. I would be utterly happy to explore with bob too, but he has a different experience of me and that's how it is. I never wasn't friends with you, you're yumsticks. So now you know. :D
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    Quote Posted by Borden (here)
    Not sure how to take that, PL ... so I'll take it well.

    Monster post? Give me a break ... haven't you seen some of Songsy's?!
    I have thanked this post, although I am not sure that I'm thanking that sentence. I'm undecided! *the universe blips out of existence*

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    Quote Posted by PurpleLama (here)
    in finishing your monster post, borden, I could hear carly simon just a singin away

    "your so vain, you probably think this post is about you, don't you, don't you"
    Of course!



    Heh heh, we're all about the assimiliation here, secretly....

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    It was the part at the end where you said some may think this is directed at certain posters, and it's not. I trained my mind virus at a young age to rewrite song lyrics to be funny and appropriate to the situation, so reading that last paragraph the music started playing. Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on how one sees it, I don't really know the lyrics to the song, so that's all we are to be subjected to, at the moment.

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    Quote Posted by Kali Lemorte (here)
    Hello everyone is this an OK place for a newbie to say hi and introduce myself? If not can someone please direct me to the appropriate link? There r so many postings and I tried to search for an introduction post but couldn't find one. Anyway hi everyone I just filled out my profile just in case I look forward to getting to know everyone.
    Hi Kali! *waves* This is a great place for a newbie to say hi in. Grab your favorite drink, they're all free here in the Pub and have a seat.

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    {whew} OK, now that Bob is gone, I am going to explain Buddhism. Don't anyone tell Bob!

    Buddhism is like the feces clinging to the hair on a yak's ass.

    That's it.

    Now you know.

    I was afraid that Bob would fling yak poo at me if I gave away the secret hidden knowledge of Buddhism in a forum thread. Normally, you need to reincarnate, as a Buddhist monk, at least 143 times before the Master will impart this wisdom to you.

    Unfortunately, wisdom is not free, and you will be cursed with bleeding hemorrhoids and a five gallon bucket of bad karma unless you donate, and when I say donate, I'm not talking about a measly $20.


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    Quote Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
    Simple answer (from my simple mind) is that we *all* have certain issues to work on ... or else why would we have incarnated here of all places???

    Universe is certainly not a static entity ... always changing ... ever morphing.

    Circular perhaps rather than linear ... but even so ...

    Always good to remain open minded enough for self examination.

    If in a blinding flash of brilliance someone suddenly knew *everything* ... in the next instant something will have changed and the process would begin anew.

    As always IMHO
    yes, that's it absolutely, because if there's nothing more to learn then there's no further evolution possible and that's a reset point. I'm always for the evolution, even when it makes the previous version of me look like a complete blonk. :D





    which evolution does with monotonous regularity.

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

    Unfortunately, wisdom is not free, and you will be cursed with bleeding hemorrhoids and a five gallon bucket of bad karma unless you donate, and when I say donate, I'm not talking about a measly $20.


    -Dennis
    I love you Dennis! :D

    *bounce*

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    Quote Posted by Cerridwen (here)
    Hi Kali! *waves* This is a great place for a newbie to say hi in. Grab your favorite drink, they're all free here in the Pub and have a seat.
    Quote Posted by Cerridwen (here)
    Hi Kali! *waves* This is a great place for a newbie to say hi in. Grab your favorite drink, they're all free here in the Pub and have a seat.
    You are such a lovely welcome wagon, dearest.



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    Quote Posted by PurpleLama (here)
    I trained my mind virus at a young age to rewrite song lyrics to be funny and appropriate to the situation, so reading that last paragraph the music started playing. Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on how one sees it, I don't really know the lyrics to the song, so that's all we are to be subjected to, at the moment.
    I love that thing of twisted lyrics. :D

    Your moustaches are fabulous enough to send any virus on its way. *delight*

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    Christian Fundamentalists–Raise the Plord!

    Posted on May 23, 2012 by Stuart Wilde





    Christian fundamentalist think they know it all and that they are right. When people are dogmatic and they think they are right, say to them “You are right.” It’s nice to make people happy.

    One day I was looking out of my window and the sun came up and I said “Praise the Lord”, the Teddies threw their arms in the air and said “Raise the Plord,”

    I said “No no, it’s Praise the Lord”.

    “Yes, that’s what we said” they answered “Raise the Plord”. So now we all go round saying, “Raise the Plord”.

    The Fundamentalists believe the Bible word-for-word. I have a copy of the Nigerian highway code, it talks of the dangers of over-thinking while driving, I believe it word-for-word. The Nigerian highway code doesn’t mention the return of Jesus. The Fundamental ones believe JC is coming back.

    JC ain’t daft. He is back but he’s hiding from those doing the fundamental-funky-chicken-dance. JC is more hip-hop than polyester suits, so you can see why. Plus JC is a vegetarian so fried chicken makes him pass out.





    It’s all good in the Shire.

    Keep people happy, pretend to believe everything. Did you know that one day all the religions disappear? If I tell you how you probably will not believe me.

    Here goes for a bit of fun. The ground starts to dematerialize because of the Morph, and it goes to the consistency of wet cement, like a thick soup, and all the buildings sink without trace in minutes.

    Many of the animals sink as well, that made me sad. Gaia has to reduce the global methane levels. At the point the slurry forms there aren’t many humans here anymore, 40,000 maybe in total.

    Some of the stuff one sees in the Aluna Mirror-Worlds defies description really. Stuart Wilde.


    http://www.stuartwilde.com/2012/05/c...ndamentalists/

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    Conversation at the Pub has gotten very interesting of late.
    I am not nearly so erudite as most of the regulars here, but going on 64 years of age now, I've been around the block a few times, and perhaps I can contribute something here, coming from the perspective of yet another INFP, (a category which many of the regulars on this thread may also easily fit, although INFPs actually comprise less than 1% of the population ) .
    Defining an INFP might be a good place to start. It's one of the main categories arrived at by Carl Jung when he devised the Myers Briggs personality test.
    http://www.net2.com/mb/infp.htm
    Quote Portrait of an INFP - Introverted Intuitive Feeling Perceiving
    (Introverted Feeling with Extraverted Intuition)
    The Idealist

    As an INFP, your primary mode of living is focused internally, where you deal with things according to how you feel about them, or how they fit into your personal value system. Your secondary mode is external, where you take things in primarily via your intuition.

    INFPs, more than other iNtuitive Feeling types, are focused on making the world a better place for people. Their primary goal is to find out their meaning in life. What is their purpose? How can they best serve humanity in their lives? They are idealists and perfectionists, who drive themselves hard in their quest for achieving the goals they have identified for themselves

    INFPs are highly intuitive about people. They rely heavily on their intuitions to guide them, and use their discoveries to constantly search for value in life. They are on a continuous mission to find the truth and meaning underlying things. Every encounter and every piece of knowledge gained gets sifted through the INFP's value system, and is evaluated to see if it has any potential to help the INFP define or refine their own path in life. The goal at the end of the path is always the same - the INFP is driven to help people and make the world a better place.

    Generally thoughtful and considerate, INFPs are good listeners and put people at ease. Although they may be reserved in expressing emotion, they have a very deep well of caring and are genuinely interested in understanding people. This sincerity is sensed by others, making the INFP a valued friend and confidante. An INFP can be quite warm with people he or she knows well.

    INFPs do not like conflict, and go to great lengths to avoid it. If they must face it, they will always approach it from the perspective of their feelings. In conflict situations, INFPs place little importance on who is right and who is wrong. They focus on the way that the conflict makes them feel, and indeed don't really care whether or not they're right. They don't want to feel badly. This trait sometimes makes them appear irrational and illogical in conflict situations. On the other hand, INFPs make very good mediators, and are typically good at solving other people's conflicts, because they intuitively understand people's perspectives and feelings, and genuinely want to help them.

    INFPs are flexible and laid-back, until one of their values is violated. In the face of their value system being threatened, INFPs can become aggressive defenders, fighting passionately for their cause. When an INFP has adopted a project or job which they're interested in, it usually becomes a "cause" for them. Although they are not detail-oriented individuals, they will cover every possible detail with determination and vigor when working for their "cause".

    When it comes to the mundane details of life maintenance, INFPs are typically completely unaware of such things. They might go for long periods without noticing a stain on the carpet, but carefully and meticulously brush a speck of dust off of their project booklet.

    INFPs do not like to deal with hard facts and logic. Their focus on their feelings and the Human Condition makes it difficult for them to deal with impersonal judgment. They don't understand or believe in the validity of impersonal judgment, which makes them naturally rather ineffective at using it. Most INFPs will avoid impersonal analysis, although some have developed this ability and are able to be quite logical. Under stress, it's not uncommon for INFPs to mis-use hard logic in the heat of anger, throwing out fact after (often inaccurate) fact in an emotional outburst.

    INFPs have very high standards and are perfectionists. Consequently, they are usually hard on themselves, and don't give themselves enough credit. INFPs may have problems working on a project in a group, because their standards are likely to be higher than other members' of the group. In group situations, they may have a "control" problem. The INFP needs to work on balancing their high ideals with the requirements of every day living. Without resolving this conflict, they will never be happy with themselves, and they may become confused and paralyzed about what to do with their lives.

    INFPs are usually talented writers. They may be awkard and uncomfortable with expressing themselves verbally, but have a wonderful ability to define and express what they're feeling on paper. INFPs also appear frequently in social service professions, such as counselling or teaching. They are at their best in situations where they're working towards the public good, and in which they don't need to use hard logic.

    INFPs who function in their well-developed sides can accomplish great and wonderful things, which they will rarely give themselves credit for. Some of the great, humanistic catalysts in the world have been INFPs.
    That said, what follows will be coming from the perspective of this particular INFP, who started out on the spiritual path when in my early 20s by studying with two male teachers, one basically a Vedantist, the other a Korean Zen Master.
    I lived next door to the Zen Master for a couple of years and lived for one year at a Zen Buddhist Center in the mountains of Virginia which he helped establish.
    I spent a lot of personal time with the Vedantist, his family and the group of students who gathered around him over the course of several years.
    I had some very profound experiences during these years which definitely shaped me, but did not really reach a part of my being which was desperately in need of nurturing.
    The experiences included a lot of fruitful introspection, satoris and glimpses of the Tao which were very healing and energizing.

    But I eventually essentially abandoned the path of Buddhism because I found the structures in place to be so inherently masculine and patriarchal.
    It was difficult to avoid being affected by those structures unless one simply practiced on one's own, and I was not quite ready for that at the time, though later on I was able to incorporate the essence of what I had uncovered into my daily life.
    I found more of what I was looking for eventually in women's groups that were focused on the Goddess and on ancient Wiccan practices, which seemed to me to be much more balanced in appreciating the values of Creation vs. Creator energies.
    However, that didn't come about until after a Near Death Experience that left me with some severe disabilities and changed my lifestyle completely to a much more limiting one.
    I can't help but feel that I might have avoided that painful experience if I had been able to connect with the feminine Goddess energies much sooner.

    But it seems clear that at the ground level, what is going now on the planet is the balancing of these energies, which have long been dominated by toxic masculine structures-- even spiritual ones, perhaps one could even say--especially spiritual ones.

    I saw this quote from Jimmy Carter on Facebook recently and it certainly resonated with me, though the kind of discrimination he is referring to here is far more obvious:
    Quote The truth is that male religious leaders have had - and still have - an option to interpret holy teachings either to exalt or subjugate women. They have, for their own selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the latter.
    Their continuing choice provides the foundation or justification for much of the pervasive persecution and abuse of women throughout the world. This is in clear violation not just of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but also the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Apostle Paul, Moses and the prophets, Muhammad, and founders of other great religions - all of whom have called for proper and equitable treatment of all the children of God. It is time we had the courage to challenge these views.
    It resonated so much that I was moved to go here:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ights-equality
    to read the rest of what he said, more of which follows:
    Quote ...my decision to sever my ties with the Southern Baptist Convention, after six decades, was painful and difficult. It was, however, an unavoidable decision when the convention's leaders, quoting a few carefully selected Bible verses and claiming that Eve was created second to Adam and was responsible for original sin, ordained that women must be "subservient" to their husbands and prohibited from serving as deacons, pastors or chaplains in the military service. This was in conflict with my belief - confirmed in the holy scriptures - that we are all equal in the eyes of God.
    This view that women are somehow inferior to men is not restricted to one religion or belief. It is widespread. Women are prevented from playing a full and equal role in many faiths.
    Nor, tragically, does its influence stop at the walls of the church, mosque, synagogue or temple. This discrimination, unjustifiably attributed to a Higher Authority, has provided a reason or excuse for the deprivation of women's equal rights across the world for centuries. The male interpretations of religious texts and the way they interact with, and reinforce, traditional practices justify some of the most pervasive, persistent, flagrant and damaging examples of human rights abuses.
    At their most repugnant, the belief that women must be subjugated to the wishes of men excuses slavery, violence, forced prostitution, genital mutilation and national laws that omit rape as a crime. But it also costs many millions of girls and women control over their own bodies and lives, and continues to deny them fair access to education, health, employment and influence within their own communities.
    The impact of these religious beliefs touches every aspect of our lives.
    (My emphasis in bold letters)

    Of course, the guises in which discrimination against women in general and the Divine Feminine in particular vary from culture to culture, but it can certainly be found in every culture, without exception, and it is insidious and deeply rooted.

    How does this apply to the conversation on the Pub?
    From my perspective, there is probably not a single person in a male body currently alive who fully understands what it is to be a woman today, and though there are areas in which men and woman have great commonality, there are areas of the feminine experience which are still for the most part unknown and unexplored by men, largely because the predominantly male cultures have disallowed the feminine experience to have a voice.
    This has been true for many centuries, and is only beginning now to be rectified.
    Basically men are for the most part incapable of knowing the full extent of how and what women experience both in the world and in the spirit, and it is a big mistake for them to assume that they do.
    They can have insights, but their insights are limited, and as such, the value of their insights is limited (though certainly not without value).
    Thankfully, we all must experience both male and female incarnations, and so the gap of understanding is not complete, but things are changing so rapidly on the planet now, I think it is becoming even more difficult for men to understand fully what women are experiencing, particularly in their inner lives, however well we women may be at expressing that in words.
    The re-emergence of the Divine Feminine will bridge that gap eventually, but we are barely at the beginning of that process.
    I think it would be very sad if the dialogue at the Pub were to be thwarted by missing that point, and I think it will be if this perspective is not at least acknowledged, because the conversation has really barely touched the surface of what women are coming to experience in their spiritual paths, and in what what the Divine Feminine has yet to teach us.
    I hope this will be helpful in finding some further ground to explore together.
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    I have lots to say, but nothing of great importance, it has been so vastly covered here the past few pages. If I was to say anything, it would become my process of engaging with every thing that has been said. Too long, and I actually do not feel confident at the moment to lay my thinking out on the bar. If I was live with the action, I might have joined in because here and there I was inspired, times curious and in some moments, I would have been compelled to call out: Warning, warning, I is seeing shades of the creeping virus at 3ōclock, step aside not safe to come out yet. Breathe, breathe ..

    All fiction but this is how I imagine being there, if I was there, all the time asking myself every ten seconds, this is happening, or is it? is this you, or is this me?

    That is the question.

    I try to see the layers but can only essence from what I read but, holy moses, there is some energetic threads that I am picking up on. It is happening in real time and I can taste the invisible of different signatures and their interplay with each other, and can even do this when I am viewing it a day after the real time event. So powerful is the essence left behind, it lives on through all dimensions, the physical is just one.

    So, engagement is still a precarious business. And how you read, or take, or allow the ideas and expressions of others, depends (I agree Songs) which way you look at it.

    I so want to reach the place where I stand up for myself, my ideas and with them, the feelings that I plant with them. And say with absolute self esteem: This is me, this is where I am. However, I am a little jerky still.

    Too often, old feelings of mummy and daddy fighting rise up in me, the friction is like acid working on my ego. I feel naked and *think* everyone is seeing the f#ck up I am, what I am feeling inside, bursting up into a huge boil and falling apart at the same time. I just want to step to the side of the road and hope no one will see me. Because the thing I seem to oddly value the most is not being understood, and therefore being rejected for what I think.

    Now, I am yet to clarify to the point of certainty what the virus is at times - its expanded meaning, its evidence of existence, its profile, its glossary of terms - still eludes me. Where does the ego meet the virus? When does it come for dinner and what does it like for dessert? I think I get it sometimes, and see itīs programming too - which lends itself around a multitude of platforms with great artfulness. However, when I am *me* and I mean here in the sense of the *no mind, me* (as distinct from the *no mind to operate with* space where my body is so shocked that I have left the building *me*) my experience is of *mind dropping away*

    In this *mind drop* state, I feel abundantly simple and in total, unconditional acceptance of all that is. Which happens at the most unexpected moments and .. rarely happens. The most memorable moments for instance have been when I have connected as a mother to my children, joining with them for the first time after giving birth to feed them. And when I just sit back and listen and view others in their awesome selves focused on giving to each other. That puts me in a place of *all is well*

    I just used Jorrīs signature .. LOL .. now I understand it.

    But that is not gained by just waiting around for it to lock in and stay that way for eternity, is it? You have to earn that dimension

    The messiness of the house - somehow I think it is always going to get messy. No matter how high, or far out you go.

    I just want to honour those who have placed themselves on the line in the last 24 hours, to wrestle with the ideas of their own and of others. This is a pub where people bring themselves, their lives, their troubles, their joys, their beefs. And they mix drinks with looks and stares, tilted heads and angled horns. I am not the most prolific poster here, that is for sure. I am truly humbled by the beautiful explanations that everyone gives to the meaning of life. It blows me into the next universe. But what makes it really swing is the meaning that is extracted through the significant relating between this diversity of souls.

    Of course, I would love Bob to return and keep adding to the topics that flow through here. What I have seen this recent conversation deliver, however, is a new depth that others - apart from Songs and Bob - have now risen to articulate boldly and beautifully. OMFG Calz, Borden, Chinaski, Curtis, Purple Lama.. I am just *words fail me* Together, this commitment to dialogue deeply (although it has reached a surprising outcome) is still, in my estimation one of the most worthwhile reads here on Avalon - it is a brilliant education, in content and what I consider highly functional relationship conduct. From Cerridwen welcoming newcomers to the bar to roaming members adding to the menu - there is a presence building here. Co-presencing is where I expect this to flower into.

    Moving through emotional zones is part of this - we cannot separate our ideas from them. Every thought has an emotional attachment and that is the place where meaning is made and understanding in many different ways rendered. Until the next time, and the frontiers are pushed out again.

    We are in service to each other - even when it is not *so comfortable* - And so it is here at the Pub too. Bob wrote somewhere in this conversation in the early stages, words to the effect that went, no problem, letīs talk about that, thatīs why I am here, and why we are here, together.

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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Conversation at the Pub has gotten very interesting of late.

    Thankfully, we all must experience both male and female incarnations, and so the gap of understanding is not complete, but things are changing so rapidly on the planet now, I think it is becoming even more difficult for men to understand fully what women are experiencing, particularly in their inner lives, however well we women may be at expressing that in words.
    The re-emergence of the Divine Feminine will bridge that gap eventually, but we are barely at the beginning of that process.
    I think it would be very sad if the dialogue at the Pub were to be thwarted by missing that point, and I think it will be if this perspective is not at least acknowledged, because the conversation has really barely touched the surface of what women are coming to experience in their spiritual paths, and in what what the Divine Feminine has yet to teach us.
    I hope this will be helpful in finding some further ground to explore together.
    As both an INFP and a female, I am deeply grateful that you took the time to make this post. You have expressed things that I didn't even know I needed expressed. I wanted to say 'thanks' before I actually got into replying in any depth. Great post.

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    Quote Posted by Zebra (here)

    We are in service to each other - even when it is not *so comfortable* - And so it is here at the Pub too. Bob wrote somewhere in this conversation in the early stages, words to the effect that went, no problem, letīs talk about that, thatīs why I am here, and why we are here, together.

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    Zebra, I just wanted to say how much I loved your post, and that I find it almost ironic that you could spend a fair bit of it talking about the contributions of others here ... while writing like that. Here's to co-presencing, and to your presence.

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    Quote Posted by Zebra (here)
    I so want to reach the place where I stand up for myself, my ideas and with them, the feelings that I plant with them. And say with absolute self esteem: This is me, this is where I am. However, I am a little jerky still.
    Love your post, Zebra. Especially the above. I've added it to my "Top 20 All Time Favorites From Sensitive Beings".

    I send peace and blessings to All at the Pub. And a round of root beer in frosty mugs!

    UPDATE: Root beer cuz there's a lotta cutie pie kid avatar pics @ this fine establishment.
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