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    Next time, it's my treat. Sapphire smoothies for everyone!

    Ummmm ... Sapphire Smoothies ...

    My kids will follow you anywhere ... especially my 10 year old ...



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    Songs, I'm so glad you're here to sing your songs.
    I had a special dream a few nights ago. We were in 'Amsterdam', although I think that was just shorthand dream symbolism for a place already below sea level. It looked nothing like 3D Amsterdam. We were in a cafe' - not a coffeehouse : ) I rolled my eyes and sighed a couple of times, waiting for you. You were busy ordering this and that from the menu, talking on the phone etc. We were on our way to this place at the bottom of the sea. I knew some people who had already been there, and was full of expectations. This place was it. Finally, we faced each other, holding hands, and began the journey. The water was lovely, warm and with shimmering shades of green. I had taken a deep breath to last me until the sea floor, but midway, I realized it wouldn't hold all the way. At that point, I began to breathe, a different kind of oxygen. It was easy, very fresh and invigorating.
    I don't know if we reached that place, it may take a couple of more dreams.






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    ... Myers Briggs personality tests... I came up an INFP. . We're called 'The Idealist'.

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    I'd be curious what other 'types' are here at the Pub.
    ENFP ("Idealist, Champion") [maybe they meant "delusions of grandeur"?] hahahahahaha

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    You Are He! He Are You! You Am Me! I Am We! We Already Happy! We Already Free! Hey Ho, Ain't It So!

    Exactly!

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    No surprises here.

    I'm another INFP.

    We're not a common bunch, and yet we seem disproportionately well-represented here in the Pub.

    Maybe Songsy is some sort of INFP-whisperer.




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    Fellow INFP wandering through the Pub!

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    The Otherkind :surprising the beejums out of underestimators since the Original Invasion.

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    Quote Posted by another bob (here)
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    By the way, I don't really get them either, but I also enjoy them tremendously...
    The great Poet Ikkyu once said, "The only koan is you!"

    Ramana suggested that the best method was simply to inquire, "Who am I?"

    The point was not to come up with some intellectual response, but to let the question act like a diamond drill, burrowing through layers of superimposed beliefs and notions, all temporary self-images, until finally reaching the live core at the heart, beyond mind's smoke screen. Only then could you recognize your true nature, stripped of all interpretation and conceptual encrustation.
    Oh yeah, I know their purpose, they're just not my cup of tea on the path of the ongoing awakening process. Now when you get into the realms of "The only koan is you", and the method of simply inquiring "who am I?", well now we're talking.


    In the Sanzen Room, where Zen Masters conduct such formal interviews with students, they require the student to answer with their whole being. Mere verbal play is rewarded with a quick dismissal, if lucky, or even a blow. At Mt. Baldy Zen Monastery, my first few months' answers to the initial koan he gave me were gently laughed off, and often I was dismissed before I could even open my mouth.

    After exhausting every conceivable approach, I was left with an interior devastation that I could not have imagined. Somehow, the inquiry proceeded regardless, on a level I had never known, nor can even now describe. More months followed, and I became very quiet, absorbed in an internal process deeper than thought.

    The thinking mind was breached early one morning during Kinhin (15 minute walking meditation interspersed between hour-long sitting sessions). It was during a sesshin (a week-long intense meditation interrupted by 4 visits a day with the Master) . As I walked in the slow procession, shivering in the predawn icy mountain chill, my heart suddenly welled up into my throat, and then something exploded there, and I was overtaken with convulsive sobs, so much so that I had to be led to the side to recover.

    All that I had cherished about any sense of self was obliterated in an instant -- as if it had never existed in the first place -- and I stood alone in the universe, which was nothing but my own immense body, within which an unspeakable silent perfection manifested as the immaculate nature of being itself. These are only words for something that words cannot touch.

    Tears come even now, in the recollection.

    For the next several hours, all I could do was weep with a relief that, again, cannot be described. When it was my turn to go before Roshi, I was still weeping. He took one look at me, skipped the usual demand for an answer to my koan, and smilingly broke into English with, "Ahhh, crying buddha!"

    I don't have much memory of the weeks that followed (it felt as if I was in a serene floating world, not even in a body), but about a month later, in Sanzen, when he finally asked for an answer to my koan, I spontaneously shot my arm up and shouted a monosyllabic reply that surprised both of us.

    He grinned and said, "So, the flower has finally begun to open!"

    Now I was ready to begin in earnest . . . .

    About a year later, I had reached a point in my practice in which even the overlay of “zen” on whatever this IS had simply become so excruciating that I walked out of my cabin in the middle of the night, dressed in my thin cotton robe in freezing weather, and not even giving a damn where I was off to.

    About an hour later I found myself way up the side of the mountain, well above the small monastery nestled below, but now vaguely heard the faint but growing sound of the monks and students beginning the morning sutra chants, and this infuriated me! I rolled around on the ground, threw rocks in the air, smashed logs into trees, and finally just sat down, numb.

    The chanting continued. I began to weep, not because of what the sutras were proclaiming, and not even because of the dearness of the fools down there going on in that strange fusion of one syllable Sanskrit and Japanese that constitutes the traditional zen chants, but just because …. Just because of what? Who the hell knows? I just wept. In those tears, it suddenly struck me how sweet the mountain air was, how fresh the morning breeze, how dazzling the vast blue sky! All my cares fell away like tattered old robes. I felt utterly clear, reborn, in love, but I didn’t know with whom, nor did it matter.

    Hours passed. I had stopped weeping and just sat there on a rock, with a huge grin on my face. I missed the morning Sanzen (interview with the master). Roshi sent someone out to look for me. Somehow, I knew this, I “experienced” Roshi beckoning me, so what the hell, who cares, I walked back down the mountain and eventually found myself kneeling in front of him in his room. He sat facing me, studying my face, it seemed, and assessing my state. For the first time, I had no interest in his remarks. Who cares? He’s a bald-headed little man with poor English. I said nothing. He looked at me, I looked at him. There was nothing happening. There had never been anything happening, except this ridiculous game of persona, and frankly, I couldn’t raise an idiot’s thought about any of it.

    Contrary to the pop-psych cliché, this was not a form of disassociation, although there were certainly aspects of it that would seem so. I had no “affect”, no sense of any movement in mind, just the immediacy of the moment, of bare attention. All my previous frustration had vanished, and I felt no relation to the person who had stormed up the side of the hill in the middle of the night. There was simply this, without any superimposition. It wasn’t zen, it wasn’t me, it wasn’t any of a thousand names we use to attempt the impossible – describing “this”. Nevertheless, it is no different than what is right now, these fingers typing away, your eyes glancing over the little dots and dashes, earth spinning around the sun, the galaxies turning in vastness, the same vastness that moves these fingers, your eye muscles, our heart.

    Roshi finally made a kind of grunt, nodded to me, and I got up and walked out of his room and into myself, and what that is I still can’t say with any words of men or gods, but it's certainly not a problem to be solved nor a riddle to be figured out, and that's fine with me.


    Micheal Newton talks about how the individual, after death, goes through the intense life review. But, this is done in a space and place....where there is no body to cloud the issue and 'hold the line'- ...with wiring, and instincts as a tied grouping of driven life/avatar force. No life force and avatar system of 'body and associated wiring design and paths' that will attempt to stop those lessons learned in the life review..from being what they really are. Clarity, without the 3d life originated and, for the reader, actual interference, coloration, offset drive... that is so much the backdrop of their integrated existence....that they cannot know it or see it.

    Thus, in the Zen and Buddhist, etc way, the lesson can be one of finding the opening but the original pressures that create the disassociation from center (as the given life path has unfolded) are still there, unless addressed.

    What I did, is I went into self hypnosis and worked backward through my life and addressed each difficult moment and situation with my 'up to date' eyes and thinking. I went back and re-lived them all, until all emotional turmoil and undesirable 'shift' from each was dissolved. Once it was done with one, I would go one step further back in the personal timeline, to the next shift inducing knot or time/moment.

    I went all the way back to earliest childhood, right to the point of birth..and then into the womb..and back through the doorway by which this one came in. This took about 18 months or more, with daily meditative practice tied to kundalini exercises. Just the mix I came up with, is all.

    When I was done with that, I was as fresh as the morning dew, in that state you speak of.

    Open, clear, no preconceptions, no conceptions, just being.

    No bodily interference in the window of life. But.. with kundalini levels..very very high.

    I had no idea what to do with the energies and capacities that were available to me, for I was on my own. No direction, no other influence.

    So I reasoned.... that due to lack of information, the best I could do, is 'do no harm'.

    So I ended up doing what I knew, what I had done. Which is to help those in difficult passing. The compassion I had shown myself was useful. I could then use the same to help others leave this place. People who had such difficulties that if I did not help them, they would not make the passage cleanly. (I was dealing with the ones who would otherwise, not make it, at all)

    Simply due to this one having, within them, the note, the vibration, the shifting state required, in order to slip free of the madness into the moment of self compassion and clarity to 'get free' of the bardo, and shall we say..go home.

    But what I had, could only be done from inside of them, with them, enjoined with their situation, in the full. An overlay within them and in those horrific moments. The ones that will destroy the balance and cause a loss of a given life lived. energies and lessons that might never have returned to be understood and integrated. And so it was done.

    So that is what I did, for nearly a few years. I was in the sleepless state for nearly two years, subject to the whims of the astrological conditions (for the doorway is scalar, dimensional and dimensionless), the electromagnetic/electrostatic ebb and flow of the world.

    It was and I was... as I told my mother, when I was 13: "Go anywhere, Be anywhere. Do anything, Be anything. No Limits."

    I could only hold that space for so long, while integrating with the general world at large... and after a few years, it broke. I started to slip back into the mundane, the mind was coming back again. But newer, different, repaired from that of the old.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    To conclude, I agree. And, clarification, that is borne of my experience.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    To think that one can come to some understanding of the backdrop of life and then launch into a creationist mode is very very likely nothing more than an ego/body/doorway/ avatar trying to reinstate itself as being in control.

    Something running totally rampant.

    Thus the warning that the elitists get. They have the same issue:

    To do this sort of thing from a more evolved state of knowing... and then..... the costs will be and are, much higher.

    An extremely costly mix of knowledge and ignorance.

    Listening to:

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    I have heard you speak to this, before, Carmody, but never so succinctly. Thank you. Someone should cross post that, quote and all, to ulli's thread, IMO.

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    I have heard you speak to this, before, Carmody, but never so succinctly. Thank you. Someone should cross post that, quote and all, to ulli's thread, IMO.
    Of course, that was on my mind, right from the start......
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    I've a feeling when you get around to it, you will see him face to face. When you do, tell him I said "hi" and we will all have a good laugh.
    You Are He! He Are You! You Am Me! I Am We! We Already Happy! We Already Free! Hey Ho, Ain't It So!

    Exactly!

    Yep -- folks aspire to be some kind of cosmic signal of creation and life, without accepting that they are also that which appears to be abysmally uninspired, without spirit or intelligence, designed to rob anything living of its signal of life.

    We are ALL OF IT, and yet we also transcend both polarities. It is a grand paradox, only resolved in clear recognition. Such recognition is not gained by wishing for it either. It's only realized in the purifying fires of the utmost humility.

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    Micheal Newton talks about how the individual, after death, goes through the intense life review. But, this is done in a space and place....where there is no body to cloud the issue and 'hold the line'- ...with wiring, and instincts as a tied grouping of driven life/avatar force. No life force and avatar system of 'body and associated wiring design and paths' that will attempt to stop those lessons learned in the life review..from being what they really are. Clarity, without the 3d life originated and, for the reader, actual interference, coloration, offset drive... that is so much the backdrop of their integrated existence....that they cannot know it or see it.

    Thus, in the Zen and Buddhist, etc way, the lesson can be one of finding the opening but the original pressures that create the disassociation from center (as the given life path has unfolded) are still there, unless addressed.

    What I did, is I went into self hypnosis and worked backward through my life and addressed each difficult moment and situation with my 'up to date' eyes and thinking. I went back and re-lived them all, until all emotional turmoil and undesirable 'shift' from each was dissolved. Once it was done with one, I would go one step further back in the personal timeline, to the next shift inducing knot or time/moment.

    I went all the way back to earliest childhood, right to the point of birth..and then into the womb..and back through the doorway by which this one came in. This took about 18 months or more, with daily meditative practice tied to kundalini exercises. Just the mix I came up with, is all.

    When I was done with that, I was as fresh as the morning dew, in that state you speak of.

    Open, clear, no preconceptions, no conceptions, just being.

    No bodily interference in the window of life. But.. with kundalini levels..very very high.

    I had no idea what to do with the energies and capacities that were available to me, for I was on my own. No direction, no other influence.

    So I reasoned.... that due to lack of information, the best I could do, is 'do no harm'.

    So I ended up doing what I knew, what I had done. Which is to help those in difficult passing. The compassion I had shown myself was useful. I could then use the same to help others leave this place. People who had such difficulties that if I did not help them, they would not make the passage cleanly. (I was dealing with the ones who would otherwise, not make it, at all)

    Simply due to this one having, within them, the note, the vibration, the shifting state required, in order to slip free of the madness into the moment of self compassion and clarity to 'get free' of the bardo, and shall we say..go home.

    But what I had, could only be done from inside of them, with them, enjoined with their situation, in the full. An overlay within them and in those horrific moments. The ones that will destroy the balance and cause a loss of a given life lived. energies and lessons that might never have returned to be understood and integrated. And so it was done.

    So that is what I did, for nearly a few years. I was in the sleepless state for nearly two years, subject to the whims of the astrological conditions (for the doorway is scalar, dimensional and dimensionless), the electromagnetic/electrostatic ebb and flow of the world.

    It was and I was... as I told my mother, when I was 13: "Go anywhere, Be anywhere. Do anything, Be anything. No Limits."

    I could only hold that space for so long, while integrating with the general world at large... and after a few years, it broke. I started to slip back into the mundane, the mind was coming back again. But newer, different, repaired from that of the old.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    To conclude, I agree. And, clarification, that is borne of my experience.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    To think that one can come to some understanding of the backdrop of life and then launch into a creationist mode is very very likely nothing more than an ego/body/doorway/ avatar trying to reinstate itself as being in control.

    Something running totally rampant.

    Thus the warning that the elitists get. They have the same issue:

    To do this sort of thing from a more evolved state of knowing... and then..... the costs will be and are, much higher.

    An extremely costly mix of knowledge and ignorance.

    Wonderful insights -- you've done some profound work, that's clear to see, and also raise some very good points for consideration!

    For example: "What I did, is I went into self hypnosis and worked backward through my life and addressed each difficult moment and situation with my 'up to date' eyes and thinking. I went back and re-lived them all, until all emotional turmoil and undesirable 'shift' from each was dissolved. Once it was done with one, I would go one step further back in the personal timeline, to the next shift inducing knot or time/moment.

    I went all the way back to earliest childhood, right to the point of birth..and then into the womb..and back through the doorway by which this one came in. This took about 18 months or more, with daily meditative practice tied to kundalini exercises. Just the mix I came up with, is all."


    That's what I call getting to the root of the "core story" of identity, and you have described the process so well! Usually, from what I have seen, there is the revelatory insight first, which then allows for the review, but you seem to have reversed the process, which is pretty rare, to my knowledge.

    Great work!


    Then you write: I had no idea what to do with the energies and capacities that were available to me, for I was on my own. No direction, no other influence.

    So I reasoned.... that due to lack of information, the best I could do, is 'do no harm'.

    So I ended up doing what I knew, what I had done. Which is to help those in difficult passing. The compassion I had shown myself was useful. I could then use the same to help others leave this place. People who had such difficulties that if I did not help them, they would not make the passage cleanly. (I was dealing with the ones who would otherwise, not make it, at all)


    In Buddhism, this is called the birth of Bodhicitta, the aspiration to serve all beings in their passage, and only awakens truly (as opposed to "idiot compassion") when one has cleared their own books to a large extent. Wonderful!


    Then you note: I could only hold that space for so long, while integrating with the general world at large... and after a few years, it broke. I started to slip back into the mundane, the mind was coming back again. But newer, different, repaired from that of the old.

    Yes, it is very rare that even the more profound awakenings are not eventually accompanied by such slipping back, and there will be some "flip flop" until the root of the story is severed. Mind can co-opt even the most brilliant insights, and so relaxed but alert vigilance is always needed.


    You finish by stating: To think that one can come to some understanding of the backdrop of life and then launch into a creationist mode is very very likely nothing more than an ego/body/doorway/ avatar trying to reinstate itself as being in control.

    Something running totally rampant.



    Bingo!!!


    Thanks so much, Brother -- inspiring contribution!
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    Why is it that people like Bob and Carmody feel they can insult others here with no comeback?

    Oh, it's because they apparently can.

    They've been doing it subtly and not so subtly.

    If you two want to talk about your own experiences, explorations and even passionate beliefs that's fine with me, no matter how they may fly in the face of anyone else's, and no matter how interesting or otherwise I may personally find them. We can all do that here. But that's not quite all you've been doing, is it, lads?

    As for the teaching part? Well if either of you guys knows how to fix the starter on a lawn-mower you might be of some use to me. Otherwise? Not so much.

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    Why is it that people like Bob and Carmody feel they can insult others here with no comeback?

    Oh, it's because they apparently can.

    They've been doing it subtly and not so subtly.

    If you two want to talk about your own experiences, explorations and even passionate beliefs that's fine with me, no matter how they may fly in the face of anyone else's, and no matter how interesting or otherwise I may personally find them. We can all do that here. But that's not quite all you've been doing, is it, lads?

    As for the teaching part? Well if either of you guys knows how to fix the starter on a lawn-mower you might be of some use to me. Otherwise? Not so much.


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    Default Re: Welcome to The Pub At the End of the Universe.

    Thanks Bob,

    That's some nice Buddhism there, my friend. If you don't like it, or if it draws attention to something limply unpleasant that you've done ... it's wrong. It must be an ego thing, eh? I can't be enlightened in any way, obviously.

    I also love how you've been saving that clip up.

    You're a star, Bob. Somehow I knew you wouldn't let me down.
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    Default Re: Welcome to The Pub At the End of the Universe.

    Quote Posted by Borden (here)
    Why is it that people like Bob and Carmody feel they can insult others here with no comeback?

    Oh, it's because they apparently can.

    They've been doing it subtly and not so subtly.

    If you two want to talk about your own experiences, explorations and even passionate beliefs that's fine with me, no matter how they may fly in the face of anyone else's, and no matter how interesting or otherwise I may personally find them. We can all do that here. But that's not quite all you've been doing, is it, lads?

    As for the teaching part? Well if either of you guys knows how to fix the starter on a lawn-mower you might be of some use to me. Otherwise? Not so much.
    I cannot antagonize you. Only you can antagonize you.
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    Thanks Bob... Somehow I knew you wouldn't let me down.
    Think nothing of it, my Friend -- always glad to be of service, even if it's just clearing the space with a bit of sage to banish the nasties!


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    Quote Posted by another bob (here)
    ... I had stopped weeping...
    Man... i have not, yet.

    Thank you.

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