Welcome to The Pub At the End of the Universe.

[Curt]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wmin5WkOuPw

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)

The Pub was established as a haven from dogma. Those who insist on bringing dogma, despite being politely asked not to, reveal themselves to be agents of a different kind. There's only so long that the grooming can go on- eventually, the itch will need to be scratched- the thing that abusers don't quite get is that they are their own fleas, so they go questing for those to consume because they know they'll usually find them.

Sometimes, though, they wander into the wrong pub. They confuse a willingness to build bridges with a willingness to tolerate abuse. They confuse openness with gullibility. They confuse an obviously motley looking crew with a stupid motley looking crew. Even Hannibal eventually is undone by his own hunger. All abusers are because they serve their purpose and become redundant.

Hi Songs, very well written post, and there is much truth in the content that we would all ignore at our own peril. If I might though, let me just add my own little simple man's sprinkling of flavor to your thoughts, and see what you think.

Two things really. 1) I'm convinced that there is some kind of energetic engaging these days, call it what you will, that has a lot of us feeling like we are living in a pressure cooker. I touched on it briefly in a previous post.

2) People under pressure, especially constant pressure, may from time to time find themselves acting in ways that, upon further reflection, were well below the normally high standards they set for themselves. This happened with yours truly on a different forum a few days ago, and was quite the humbling experience to see just how quickly we can fall. Formal apologies came in short order. What else can you do?

Which actually leads me to a 3rd point. I often get this little vision that we're all on The Long Walk together. The closer we get to our destination, the more exhausted we are, and the more difficult the terrain. We're a team, and that's the only way to make it all the way. Even the strongest amongst us stumbles and falls occassionally, and needs a helping hand back up. Maybe even from the one whose toes they had just stepped on.

Anyway, I just thought this should be considered as well, in light of recent events. Maybe someone is manipulating, or maybe someone is just having them a bit of a stumble.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by CurtisW (here)

fiery little dragon woman...

[Katyani]

Well, one can't swim through liquid emerald every day. Some days are for taking to the skies and engaging fire.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UF8cdfL5m1c

[PurpleLama]

Posted by Swan (here)
I am one of the shy, silent lurkers.

I found Avalon shortly before the Pub opened. I have been a regular ever since: Feeling so much at home.

Borden, Songs, Another Bob, Purple Lama, Chinaski, White Crow Black Deer - you have touched my heart.
Calz Avaretard - you have made me laugh - so often!

This place is - heart opening.

My personal experience of No Mind is Bliss. Connection. As if I finally experience life.

But I am thrilled to hear of others experiences. Actually, I am in awe. I don´t have the words. I hope I can infuse what I feel in the spaces in between.

slips out the back door

For you, and those silent who see value where yet others see none, the "no mind" conversation was taken up Here and Now....

where some have seen subtle abuse, others have seen heart felt sharing

sui generis allows for that, I suppose....

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post495162

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
Hi Songs, very well written post, and there is much truth in the content that we would all ignore at our own peril. If I might though, let me just add my own little simple man's sprinkling of flavor to your thoughts, and see what you think.

Two things really. 1) I'm convinced that there is some kind of energetic engaging these days, call it what you will, that has a lot of us feeling like we are living in a pressure cooker. I touched on it briefly in a previous post.

2) People under pressure, especially constant pressure, may from time to time find themselves acting in ways that, upon further reflection, were well below the normally high standards they set for themselves. This happened with yours truly on a different forum a few days ago, and was quite the humbling experience to see just how quickly we can fall. Formal apologies came in short order. What else can you do?

I have done the same, and owned it, as have many here both publicly and privately- one of the things that I love about the Clan here is that we're willing to be raw and bloody with each other, some more so than others. The key here is the short order. I have experienced nuclear holocaust fallout here from some, and the wondrous experience of working through said fallout, because there is a commitment to both the process, the sui generis and each other.

This is different. This has been made very very personal, repeatedly. That indicates something different going on; granted, it may not be quite as visceral as what I wrote about *and* there's enough elements to warrant the observations. I am not a haven for crap, virus or agenda. The pointedness has been in my direction on more than one occasion, and with increasing negative energy. I've now called it out. I'm not what they describe me as, not by a long shot- just because I *look* wobbly at times doesn't mean that's my baseline Self, it's me being willing to be messy and open as my way of creating intimacy.

I was never kidding about the horns.

Which actually leads me to a 3rd point. I often get this little vision that we're all on The Long Walk together. The closer we get to our destination, the more exhausted we are, and the more difficult the terrain. We're a team, and that's the only way to make it all the way. Even the strongest amongst us stumbles and falls occassionally, and needs a helping hand back up. Maybe even from the one whose toes they had just stepped on.

Fred, I love that you have described this, because at the heart of things this is what I was looking for when I created the Pub: I wanted kin, and fellowship, and exactly what you are describing. It's precisely because of this exhaustion and intimacy that we cannot be misled by old paradigm manipulations into tolerating the presence of *any* wormtongues, either in us or in others: I have had individuals I love here call me on stuff and sometimes they've seen true and sometimes I've been a mirror for the virus within them but what has been important is that we've never let each other go in the face of the balrogs. I do not want to be holding my hand out to a Being that will suddenly gollum on me and eat my arm: if that happens, stupid me, because I've been ignoring the warning signs all along.

Anyway, I just thought this should be considered as well, in light of recent events. Maybe someone is manipulating, or maybe someone is just having them a bit of a stumble.

Beautiful thoughts and expression, Fred, and I deeply appreciate your expressing them because they speak of a vision of Publians that will have each others backs, fronts and sides in the most beautiful way. Integrity, intention and coherence are powerful elements of a Being, without question, and I really like the quiet strength of yours.

Salut, friend.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Katyani (here)
Well, one can't swim through liquid emerald every day. Some days are for taking to the skies and engaging fire.

You know it, woman.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
For you, and those silent who see value where yet others see none, the "no mind" conversation was taken up Here and Now....

where some have seen subtle abuse, others have seen heart felt sharing

sui generis allows for that, I suppose....

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post495162

thank you for posting that link, PL, I hope it serves well.

I want to clarify something if I may- I have absolutely, utterly no issue with discussion of *any* way of Being that does no harm and originally there was much acceptance and tolerance of the no-mind view; it was simply another way of Being and sui generis is the space that holds the infinite possibility in ALL its no harm forms. This changed when the personal judgements came in.

Borden put it beautifully here-

If you two want to talk about your own experiences, explorations and even passionate beliefs that's fine with me, no matter how they may fly in the face of anyone else's, and no matter how interesting or otherwise I may personally find them. We can all do that here.

When these philosophies and perspectives are used as a platform for judging and maligning another Publian, that's a bit different. Subjective is subjective, not heteronomy. I'm not the kind of woman to put up with it for long and I *did* ask nicely.

Yes, always yes to the infinite perspectives and expressions that are embedded in do no harm- unless it's absolutely necessary.

[songsfortheotherkind]

[Alekahn]

Skin songs. Soulful maps written on the body.
Skillful markings, a testament of our circuitous journey unfolding.
Always in creative, lively process.
Indelible designs of the heart.




Buenas companeros...You all are amazing! Do you know?
So often utterly speechless you leave me, with this intimate searching...
this unprecedented mapping which is diligently, fearlessly,
intricately being woven. Much respect to all of you.


For the Publians listening pleasure...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_ljVDCdNZmE

[Borden]

I'll tell you what, Alekahn, a clip of a girl playing the didgeridoo is not something I would have gone out of my way to look for ... but I found it strangely affecting. Thank you for posting this. I'm sure I heard somewhere that the didgeridoo is supposed to be for communicating with spirits. Did I really read that or have I gone completely berserk? Either way, the sound is unusual and made my ears prick up.

[onawah]

I am just dropping in here to add my little contribution, and then away again, which seems to be the best method of engagement I have found so far for me to employ on the forum.
Though I may be "on the wing", still I feel grounded and sure of what I am seeing and feeling here.
I am grateful to Songs for her post #3171.
It feels to me that this thread finally really arrived at the heart of the matter that Songs has been trailblazing so many (seemingly) circuitious paths to.
Brava! Your work has proved so very fruitful for me, and I feel sure, for everyone here.
Songs spoke from the heart, and her words are true.
To Zebra: the heart sees clearly, and many words may not be necessary when one has truly seen and felt what the heart sees and feels.
To Borden: many thanks for saying what so needed to be said, and doing so both courageously and humorously.
To Purple Lama, who wrote on another thread:

It is ever and always a matter of great amusement to me that people persist in the notion that what is divine must be gender specific. It seems to me to be just another round of my god is better than your god.

If that was in reference to my post https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...270#post494270
May I respectfully suggest that you have perhaps missed my point?
To Fred: thanks for being a bridge over troubled waters. You also have been speaking and seeing from the heart.

On reflection, I came up with this image regarding my experience with Zen and how that relates to what has been up for discussion here lately.
Zen is like an express flight to a wonderful destination.
You get there very quickly, but unlike a first class scenic railroad trip, you can miss an awful lot along the way.
Perhaps it might be a good idea to drop all judgement, go back, and see a bit of what those on another path to that wonderful destination might have experienced along their way.
You may be surprised how enriching that can be.

[Carmody]

Posted by Borden (here)
I'll tell you what, Alekahn, a clip of a girl playing the didgeridoo is not something I would have gone out of my way to look for ... but I found it strangely affecting. Thank you for posting this. I'm sure I heard somewhere that the didgeridoo is supposed to be for communicating with spirits. Did I really read that or have I gone completely berserk? Either way, the sound is unusual and made my ears prick up.

Complex harmonic note structures that start low and carry into higher frequency harmonics are an essential part of dimensional energetic transfer.

Due to the long note structure, in time, and the direct coupling of such to the chest cavity, this translates to the area of prana.

So yes, it is a workable thing, IMO and IME.

This suggests, that with effort in the right direction, that this may enable one to become a Breatharian by such technique. But only suggests, as Breatharian technique is different and the two exchange systems may not overlap in effect or complex considerations.

[Marie]

Thanks Alekahn. Last weekend, at a hotel with my daughter and her friends for her birthday, I was admiring the proliferation of body art at the pool, and sitting next to us was a man who had one kind of like this... it was magnificent.

[Alekahn]

Magnificent indeed, the art of the body.




"I am a seed that was sown from the past...
and I shall never be lost...I will never be lost."

He toa taumata rau
(Bravery has many resting places)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3BoNmpvkavo

[Debra]

You have me going now Alekahn. Decisions to have a tattoo .. that has always impressed upon me the question: WHY?



Almost went there myself once .. but pulled out - last minute - because I felt I was only really doing it to fit in, rather than to stand out.

I love the stories though - and will still ask even complete strangers how they came to get their tattoo or tattoos.



* These illustrations by the way, are from LS: "Pen & Ink is a Tumblr blog by Rumpus managing editor Isaac Fitzgerald and artist Wendy MacNaughton*

[Calz]

Posted by Borden (here)
I'll tell you what, Alekahn, a clip of a girl playing the didgeridoo is not something I would have gone out of my way to look for ... but I found it strangely affecting. Thank you for posting this. I'm sure I heard somewhere that the didgeridoo is supposed to be for communicating with spirits. Did I really read that or have I gone completely berserk? Either way, the sound is unusual and made my ears prick up.

If you had time to wander through the many pages in the "Up At The Ranch" thread you will find some cool photos of this kind of healing being used by James Gilliland's group at ECETI. In several of the shots you will find "happy" orbs hanging around. Fairly certain that is where this image comes from as well (but not 100% sure).

________________


The main aspects of Didgeridoo Healing:

■ The effects on the Didgeridoo player

■ Moving the Didge over the body of the recipient while playing; Didgeridoo Therapy

■ Didgeridoo Therapy is the use of Didgeridoo sound to enhance the healing capabilities of the body (including animals). The Didgeridoo is an instrument that produces low frequency sound and vibrations we can feel, especially if the end of the instrument is placed close to the body. The “Didge” also seems to produce near infra-sound as is indicated on this chart by the small spikes near 0 Hertz.


The Didgeridoo helps people achieve healing results through the principles of ultrasound therapy, entrainment and meditation through the production of tones that range from the ultra low inaudible of 0 hertz to the 1000hertz (2-20hertz is the same frequency of human brain waves ). The broad range of vibration produced by the Didge resonate an ancient and universal tone. These harmonic waveforms are a similar frequency to that of the Sanskirt Om, and our healing didgeridoos are tuned to this sound.

The effects on people listening to a Didgeridoo Anyone in the same space as a didgeridoo being played usually has a healing experience, even though many people would not even be aware of it. People report that they feel relaxed and yet energized when listening to the didgeridoo being played. They describe it as deeply touching, in tune with the world, takes away from thinking, awe inspiring, magical, feels like a voice from the earth, ancient, haunting, powerful, primal, other worldly, mesmerizing, calming, enchanting, soothing, mystical, hypnotic, relaxing, earthly feeling, primordial.





http://healthpeacephilosophy.com/didgeridoo-therapy/


*** adding ***


Found one of them ... (and verifies the other image is from the "Ranch").

[songsfortheotherkind]

I had a really, really strange and wonderful night, full of avatars of Beings, some whose energetic signatures I'm familiar with and others I was turning my head towards and asking "who are you?. There are some mighty and interesting energies roaming around the Pub at the moment and I for one am loving it.



We are not human, here...

[Alekahn]

You have me going now Alekahn. Decisions to have a tattoo .. that has always impressed upon me the question: WHY?

A worthy question it is Zebra. The historical answers to that and the myriad stories behind each tat vary widely from culture to culture
(obvious understatement).

Personally, for 28 years I had no thought of or desire for the marking of this physical body. Then, my blood brother died tragically and something deep within was catalyzed, which directly led to the beginning of my relationship with the art and ritual/symbology of tattoo (tatu). A classical rite of passage it was at that time. Currently, the reasons and intent have deepened and shifted greatly. "Fitting in" and (drunken?) impulsivity as reasons have never been on the radar for me, yet I have sadly witnessed this as I have been being 'worked on' over the years.

Perhaps you are close once again sister? You seem to be drawn to 'stripes'.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

The main aspects of Didgeridoo Healing:

■ Didgeridoo Therapy is the use of Didgeridoo sound to enhance the healing capabilities of the body (including animals). The Didgeridoo is an instrument that produces low frequency sound and vibrations we can feel, especially if the end of the instrument is placed close to the body. The “Didge” also seems to produce near infra-sound as is indicated on this chart by the small spikes near 0 Hertz. http://healthpeacephilosophy.com/didgeridoo-therapy/

Thanks for that Calz. I was going to say some of this and also that you will note the woman's didge in the video clip is undecorated compared to the man's didge in the photo. This is the same thing as women not being permitted to do the haka in public- of course, Maori women do the haka in each other's company but only with those they know won't blab. I'm not bound by those rules *and* I respect that they matter to others, so I don't play decorated didges or do the haka- in public.

Didge healing is quite stunning to experience. There's a lot of it here in the area I live. For those who would like to learn the circular breathing done for didge playing, many use the 'straw' method: glass of water, straw, see if you can get an unbroken stream of bubbles going by blowing through the straw. I have not mastered circular breathing. I sometimes find ordinary breathing difficult enough. :D

For those who don't have a didge to practice on, Rolf Harris was quite fond of playing a length of pvc pipe with some beeswax around the rim to pad the mouth. I can play the straight pvc part of the vacuum cleaner head but it sounds tinny compared to a decent length piece. As far as I know, there are no prohibitions on women playing a decorated length of pvc pipe.