Here and Now...What's Happening?

[ulli]

Posted by Wakytweaky (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
Perfectionism will definitely do that to you.
It might also stop you from doing anything spontaneously
as then you would have to face the fact that you might have made an error of judgement.
And it would also mean you would have to live with feelings of shame and guilt.
Maybe the key is to learn to forgive yourself, and move on.
Once you have learnt the particular lesson the situation brought you then you can move on, free of karmic burden.

Yes to all that you said here Ulli.
Actually... the issue about this is quite alive for me at this moment, so thank you for this conversation.
This is surely helping me.

But what do you mean when you say:
But when it is a brand-new situation, one which still has lessons for me, then I can expect to get hit by by karma.

By what do you get hit? how does it work?

In a brand new situation I have no idea what I'm dealing with so my response could be freezing, non-action,
which I later regret since it required some kind of response to keep things flowing.
On the other hand I might overreact, in a panicky way, which also leaves me with egg on my face, so to speak.
So the subsequent karma could mean that I alienated people totally, people who normally look to me as a strong
person who never makes mistakes.
I then have to appeal to them and point to the fact that I am merely human, like themselves, with weaknesses.
And sometimes they don't listen...it's too late.
These events usually coincide with an astrological transit, like a right angle from one of the outer planets to my natal Mars,
which was in Aquarius, and which is the sign which rules events that are sudden, or unexpected.

Having Mars in Aquarius not only means that I give shocks to others, but also that I regularly receive shocks FROM others.
The Aquarius pendulum swings between fast asleep, unaware states of fixed automatic behavior, to the sudden awakening moment of shock,
at the opposite end...
A shock is nothing other than a reality adjustment. Hence the image of awakening, as if from a dream.

[Carmody]

nevermind....ok. I'll try some more.

Lets just say that the intensely and more fervently one works on the mess of the mind, the greater the moments of pain and the greater the moments of joy.

To do that, the mind requires isolation.... so the ruts in the road of life repeated, repeated in any way, at any time...in all it's myriad tiny little ways ...do not prevent the process from taking place. Any aspect of enacting an old pattern will re-enforce. And cause a falling back. Period. Inter-connectivity of the mind causes a large flare up and re-integration with the old pattern. One might think they can get away with it, and they do. for a while. the plasticity of the brain thing. It will bring you down. It just takes time. The same as going up. It just takes time.

Read my prior post on mental design and construction.

All the excuses in the world, even paying a bill for the electricity, all of it, or getting gas for the car.

All of it stands in the way. All of it. Any tiny bit of it.

Listening to the cries and woes of contacts, friends, relatives. having a place to live, by paying bills...all of it, re-enforcement.... and also, fear-excuses. Fear of change. the rut of the comfort of the known, combined with the fear of the unknown, keeping freedom away. In the actual and real sense. Seriously so.

Each tiny re-reinforcement of old routine fires the entire old network.

This is why isolation is required, in order to get the job done. Returning to any aspect of the old life, does indeed damage the progress made. Plasticity of the mind is the solution and problem.. and 3d world integration is a 'drag you down' problem, before and after enlightenment.

[benevolentcrow]

Thank you for all the birthday wishes, you made me smile!

[ulli]

Posted by Carmody (here)
nevermind....ok. I'll try some more.

Lets just say that the intensely and more fervently one works on the mess of the mind, the greater the moments of pain and the greater the moments of joy.

To do that, the mind requires isolation.... so the ruts in the road of life repeated, repeated in any way, at any time...in all it's myriad tiny little ways ...do not prevent the process from taking place. Any aspect of enacting an old pattern will re-enforce. And cause a falling back. Period. Inter-connectivity of the mind causes a large flare up and re-integration with the old pattern. One might think they can get away with it, and they do. for a while. the plasticity of the brain thing. It will bring you down. It just takes time. The same as going up. It just takes time.

Read my prior post on mental design and construction.

All the excuses in the world, even paying a bill for the electricity, all of it, or getting gas for the car.

All of it stands in the way. All of it. Any tiny bit of it.

Listening to the cries and woes of contacts, friends, relatives. having a place to live, by paying bills...all of it, re-enforcement.... and also, fear-excuses. Fear of change. the rut of the comfort of the known, combined with the fear of the unknown, keeping freedom away. In the actual and real sense. Seriously so.

Each tiny re-reinforcement of old routine fires the entire old network.

This is why isolation is required, in order to get the job done. Returning to any aspect of the old life, does indeed damage the progress made. Plasticity of the mind is the solution and problem.. and 3d world integration is a 'drag you down' problem, before and after enlightenment.

I got a lot out of these last two posts of yours, Carmody. Thanks.
I know that's how it works, but the way you describe it is like putting it all under a microscope with a sharp focus.
Totally amazing!

Now I'm off to this open air pool, which is fed by underground volcanic thermal waters and which is over 40 degrees C.
Every time I go there I am reminded that having something like this on my doorstep is the result of a secret wish I had for years.
It finally materialized. Call it karma.

[Carmody]

Well, for example, if one refuses to believe that when being a good person, that helping others in need, spending time doing such things is going to be a backslide. This, concerning...

....If indeed one is searching out how to clear themselves....it may not be a backslide, but is most certainly avoidance and an excuse. Seemingly sad, but definitely true.

This is a point in logic that must be confronted.

The emotions making those decisions in a whole manner, or directing such thinking -- or directing such lack of thinking, is part of the issue.

One must do what works for them and their path, so no judgement is made. Judgement is a ..er... unguarded and 'negative growth attribute' to posses, IMO and IME.

There is the communicative aspect of journeying together, but it might be wise to consider that it need not be, in all circles of logic or contemplation..one of being the whole cloth for all decisions and enterprise.

(if you looked at my chart, Ulli, you'd see why such a thing is on my mind.)

[Guest]

A beautiful day on the Mtn.

Happy Birthday benevelolentcrow

Recently some barriers have been removed. In my minds eye and dreams i kept seeing a structure on the land i live on now. i had put a face, construct -concepualized a physical structure, sort of like a reference point, and only what my mind and emotional self could handle or realize. None the less and all the while what was really there was was something entirely different. My high self was waiting while i played this game with myself -like creating and telling myself a story. Only through intensive contemplation and through deep long meditation what is really there has been revealed to me. The strucure itself was not my focal point in meditation. Going within and silencing my mind was the only focus.

A few years back i had a mystical experience -a dream. Again i had put a physical face on a lot of the experience. Would sometimes ask what does this mean or why did i have this experience. Through the years i would review it or
i would share it with someone who was open. One night i was prompted to write it all down and share it with someone. After reviewing it i instantaneously went back into the dream and relived it entirely. Or so i had thought. The more i continued into it, it expanded and became less physical. I just went with it. What came next i was shown and experienced the core of the whole dream -all of the physical construct(s) were removed had melted away. At the time i had the original dream mentally and emotionally was not ready or prepared to accept the reality of the experience and had created a block, aphysical construct and a story to part of it -a lot of it.

Love

Nora

[PurpleLama]

In the middle of the dream cycle last night, there was a long, purple corridor which lotusblossom and I were walking down. We were met by "the two sisters", the Fae, and each of them carried a sack of wheat flower, probably about 15 lbs. or so, and they handed them to each of us, saying "This is what your bread will be made from."

Playdo was at the house last night, and many blessings were generated and sent out into the aethers. Good times.

[ulli]

Posted by Carmody (here)
Well, for example, if one refuses to believe that when being a good person, that helping others in need, spending time doing such things is going to be a backslide. This, concerning...

....If indeed one is searching out how to clear themselves....it may not be a backslide, but is most certainly avoidance and an excuse. Seemingly sad, but definitely true.

This is a point in logic that must be confronted.

The emotions making those decisions in a whole manner, or directing such thinking -- or directing such lack of thinking, is part of the issue.

One must do what works for them and their path, so no judgement is made. Judgement is a ..er... unguarded and 'negative growth attribute' to posses, IMO and IME.

There is the communicative aspect of journeying together, but it might be wise to consider that it need not be, in all circles of logic or contemplation..one of being the whole cloth for all decisions and enterprise.

(if you looked at my chart, Ulli, you'd see why such a thing is on my mind.)

My son has the same transit that you are now experiencing in his birth chart. As a mother who is also aware of what that means to his emotional life I try and give him the space he might need, and never do anything that might seem like pressure and make him feel obliged.
What I love about astrology in particular that as a language it spells out all the options of what might be going on internally, and can compare that with the emotions being experienced. And suddenly all sorts of impulses become apparent, and a chance to observe the whole process of motivation.
Whether one wants to follow heart impulses which come from genuine compassion, or simply nurture another person because they truly need it, or oblige another person because they have control...these are the choices for a course of action. Life suddenly slows down like a movie in slow motion...even stops and freezes...
so each frame can be seen one by one, down to the finest pixel.

[ulli]

Posted by Nora (here)
A beautiful day on the Mtn.

Happy Birthday benevelolentcrow

Recently some barriers have been removed. In my minds eye and dreams i kept seeing a structure on the land i live on now. i had put a face, construct -concepualized a physical structure, sort of like a reference point, and only what my mind and emotional self could handle or realize. None the less and all the while what was really there was was something entirely different. My high self was waiting while i played this game with myself -like creating and telling myself a story. Only through intensive contemplation and through deep long meditation what is really there has been revealed to me. The strucure itself was not my focal point in meditation. Going within and silencing my mind was the only focus.

A few years back i had a mystical experience -a dream. Again i had put a physical face on a lot of the experience. Would sometimes ask what does this mean or why did i have this experience. Through the years i would review it or
i would share it with someone who was open. One night i was prompted to write it all down and share it with someone. After reviewing it i instantaneously went back into the dream and relived it entirely. Or so i had thought. The more i continued into it, it expanded and became less physical. I just went with it. What came next i was shown and experienced the core of the whole dream -all of the physical construct(s) were removed had melted away. At the time i had the original dream mentally and emotionally was not ready or prepared to accept the reality of the experience and had created a block, aphysical construct and a story to part of it -a lot of it.

Love

Nora

I found with my dreams that once the physical imagery was removed I ended up staring at mathematical graphs...
stuff which made a whole lot of sense but only I could ever understand.

[Anchor]

Posted by Ulli (here)
In a brand new situation I have no idea what I'm dealing with so my response could be freezing, non-action,
which I later regret since it required some kind of response to keep things flowing.
On the other hand I might overreact, in a panicky way, which also leaves me with egg on my face, so to speak.
So the subsequent karma could mean that I alienated people totally, people who normally look to me as a strong
person who never makes mistakes.
I then have to appeal to them and point to the fact that I am merely human, like themselves, with weaknesses.
And sometimes they don't listen...it's too late.
These events usually coincide with an astrological transit, like a right angle from one of the outer planets to my natal Mars,
which was in Aquarius, and which is the sign which rules events that are sudden, or unexpected.

Let go!

[Carmody]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
Well, for example, if one refuses to believe that when being a good person, that helping others in need, spending time doing such things is going to be a backslide. This, concerning...

....If indeed one is searching out how to clear themselves....it may not be a backslide, but is most certainly avoidance and an excuse. Seemingly sad, but definitely true.

This is a point in logic that must be confronted.

The emotions making those decisions in a whole manner, or directing such thinking -- or directing such lack of thinking, is part of the issue.

One must do what works for them and their path, so no judgement is made. Judgement is a ..er... unguarded and 'negative growth attribute' to posses, IMO and IME.

There is the communicative aspect of journeying together, but it might be wise to consider that it need not be, in all circles of logic or contemplation..one of being the whole cloth for all decisions and enterprise.

(if you looked at my chart, Ulli, you'd see why such a thing is on my mind.)

My son has the same transit that you are now experiencing in his birth chart. As a mother who is also aware of what that means to his emotional life I try and give him the space he might need, and never do anything that might seem like pressure and make him feel obliged.
What I love about astrology in particular that as a language it spells out all the options of what might be going on internally, and can compare that with the emotions being experienced. And suddenly all sorts of impulses become apparent, and a chance to observe the whole process of motivation.
Whether one wants to follow heart impulses which come from genuine compassion, or simply nurture another person because they truly need it, or oblige another person because they have control...these are the choices for a course of action. Life suddenly slows down like a movie in slow motion...even stops and freezes...
so each frame can be seen one by one, down to the finest pixel.

well, for me, dream wise, night before last...I was drinking coffee from a big mug....and as I neared the bottom a very large bug began coming out of the last of the coffee. A large spider, nearly as big as a tarantula. I thought, how could it be surviving the heat and the immersion? I had no problem drinking it's fluids or tasting it (bugs get in the cup sometimes. No biggie-fish them out, keep drinking),...but how could it be surviving, nay...be in perfect health? This is not good..I thought to myself.

And that is part of what I had on my plate yesterday.

[Guest]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Nora (here)
A beautiful day on the Mtn.

Happy Birthday benevelolentcrow

Recently some barriers have been removed. In my minds eye and dreams i kept seeing a structure on the land i live on now. i had put a face, construct -concepualized a physical structure, sort of like a reference point, and only what my mind and emotional self could handle or realize. None the less and all the while what was really there was was something entirely different. My high self was waiting while i played this game with myself -like creating and telling myself a story. Only through intensive contemplation and through deep long meditation what is really there has been revealed to me. The strucure itself was not my focal point in meditation. Going within and silencing my mind was the only focus.

A few years back i had a mystical experience -a dream. Again i had put a physical face on a lot of the experience. Would sometimes ask what does this mean or why did i have this experience. Through the years i would review it or
i would share it with someone who was open. One night i was prompted to write it all down and share it with someone. After reviewing it i instantaneously went back into the dream and relived it entirely. Or so i had thought. The more i continued into it, it expanded and became less physical. I just went with it. What came next i was shown and experienced the core of the whole dream -all of the physical construct(s) were removed had melted away. At the time i had the original dream mentally and emotionally was not ready or prepared to accept the reality of the experience and had created a block, aphysical construct and a story to part of it -a lot of it.

Love

Nora

I found with my dreams that once the physical imagery was removed I ended up staring at mathematical graphs...
stuff which made a whole lot of sense but only I could ever understand.

Yes, sometimes there would be mathematical symmetrical graphs, ancient symbols, bright deep vivid colors -pinks, bleu, white, yellow...., sounds or absolute silent space, no stars.

In the above 'dream', second paragraph, i thought i was on the earth having a mystical physical experience and what i realized was the exact opposite. i was actually in outer space and in an entirely different universe. i concepualized so i could handle it -nor could i grasp the true meaning at the time. Post Update: also there is timing involved and the question -what do i do with the information?

Love

Nora

[ulli]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
Well, for example, if one refuses to believe that when being a good person, that helping others in need, spending time doing such things is going to be a backslide. This, concerning...

....If indeed one is searching out how to clear themselves....it may not be a backslide, but is most certainly avoidance and an excuse. Seemingly sad, but definitely true.

This is a point in logic that must be confronted.

The emotions making those decisions in a whole manner, or directing such thinking -- or directing such lack of thinking, is part of the issue.

One must do what works for them and their path, so no judgement is made. Judgement is a ..er... unguarded and 'negative growth attribute' to posses, IMO and IME.

There is the communicative aspect of journeying together, but it might be wise to consider that it need not be, in all circles of logic or contemplation..one of being the whole cloth for all decisions and enterprise.

(if you looked at my chart, Ulli, you'd see why such a thing is on my mind.)

My son has the same transit that you are now experiencing in his birth chart. As a mother who is also aware of what that means to his emotional life I try and give him the space he might need, and never do anything that might seem like pressure and make him feel obliged.
What I love about astrology in particular that as a language it spells out all the options of what might be going on internally, and can compare that with the emotions being experienced. And suddenly all sorts of impulses become apparent, and a chance to observe the whole process of motivation.
Whether one wants to follow heart impulses which come from genuine compassion, or simply nurture another person because they truly need it, or oblige another person because they have control...these are the choices for a course of action. Life suddenly slows down like a movie in slow motion...even stops and freezes...
so each frame can be seen one by one, down to the finest pixel.

well, for me, dream wise, night before last...I was drinking coffee from a big mug....and as I neared the bottom a very large bug began coming out of the last of the coffee. A large spider, nearly as big as a tarantula. I thought, how could it be surviving the heat and the immersion? I had no problem drinking it's fluids or tasting it (bugs get in the cup sometimes. No biggie-fish them out, keep drinking),...but how could it be surviving, nay...be in perfect health? This is not good..I thought to myself.

And that is part of what I had on my plate yesterday.

Here is the symbolism:
coffee= awakeness,
big mug=could mean crime, as in big criminal ...(remember mug shots...)
spider= trap, spin, web,
spider in the hot liquid= surviving the heat

anyway...this is the first thing that came to mind... not sure what it would mean in the context of your current experiences
it's more representative on Mars/Pluto conjunct than the other transit you are having.

[eaglespirit]

Posted by Carmody (here)
nevermind....ok. I'll try some more.

Lets just say that the intensely and more fervently one works on the mess of the mind, the greater the moments of pain and the greater the moments of joy.

To do that, the mind requires isolation.... so the ruts in the road of life repeated, repeated in any way, at any time...in all it's myriad tiny little ways ...do not prevent the process from taking place. Any aspect of enacting an old pattern will re-enforce. And cause a falling back. Period. Inter-connectivity of the mind causes a large flare up and re-integration with the old pattern. One might think they can get away with it, and they do. for a while. the plasticity of the brain thing. It will bring you down. It just takes time. The same as going up. It just takes time.

Read my prior post on mental design and construction.

All the excuses in the world, even paying a bill for the electricity, all of it, or getting gas for the car.

All of it stands in the way. All of it. Any tiny bit of it.

Listening to the cries and woes of contacts, friends, relatives. having a place to live, by paying bills...all of it, re-enforcement.... and also, fear-excuses. Fear of change. the rut of the comfort of the known, combined with the fear of the unknown, keeping freedom away. In the actual and real sense. Seriously so.

Each tiny re-reinforcement of old routine fires the entire old network.

This is why isolation is required, in order to get the job done. Returning to any aspect of the old life, does indeed damage the progress made. Plasticity of the mind is the solution and problem.. and 3d world integration is a 'drag you down' problem, before and after enlightenment.

...and again, I can relate
3d re-integration is like heading into oncoming highway traffic...swerving and dodging and scraping some too...phhhheeewwwww
it's a workout to work out of
All I want to do is walk for miles and miles in the woods

[Carmody]

Posted by eaglespirit (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
nevermind....ok. I'll try some more.

Lets just say that the intensely and more fervently one works on the mess of the mind, the greater the moments of pain and the greater the moments of joy.

To do that, the mind requires isolation.... so the ruts in the road of life repeated, repeated in any way, at any time...in all it's myriad tiny little ways ...do not prevent the process from taking place. Any aspect of enacting an old pattern will re-enforce. And cause a falling back. Period. Inter-connectivity of the mind causes a large flare up and re-integration with the old pattern. One might think they can get away with it, and they do. for a while. the plasticity of the brain thing. It will bring you down. It just takes time. The same as going up. It just takes time.

Read my prior post on mental design and construction.

All the excuses in the world, even paying a bill for the electricity, all of it, or getting gas for the car.

All of it stands in the way. All of it. Any tiny bit of it.

Listening to the cries and woes of contacts, friends, relatives. having a place to live, by paying bills...all of it, re-enforcement.... and also, fear-excuses. Fear of change. the rut of the comfort of the known, combined with the fear of the unknown, keeping freedom away. In the actual and real sense. Seriously so.

Each tiny re-reinforcement of old routine fires the entire old network.

This is why isolation is required, in order to get the job done. Returning to any aspect of the old life, does indeed damage the progress made. Plasticity of the mind is the solution and problem.. and 3d world integration is a 'drag you down' problem, before and after enlightenment.

...and again, I can relate
3d re-integration is like heading into oncoming highway traffic...swerving and dodging and scraping some too...phhhheeewwwww
it's a workout to work out of
All I want to do is walk for miles and miles in the woods

To hold the 'space', i found it took me 4 hours to prep to meet and deal with people.

When out there, I had to adopt the 'wizard' position, or the humming, laughing, happy monk position. meaning, all integrations where in my area/space (like a bubble), in my observance and space. purposely so. this is how it is done. do you remember what it was like to meet that special person? That is the reason they exude such energy, such peace, such intensity. It is a purposeful thing.

Overall, only a few hours of integration with the world at large, at best.

Then, back to about 4 hours or wiping the touch of it back off, to regain my composure, to shed the unwanted vibration, back to lightness. to 'clear' myself back to that state..and then move a notch higher - again.

[ulli]

Posted by eaglespirit (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
nevermind....ok. I'll try some more.

Lets just say that the intensely and more fervently one works on the mess of the mind, the greater the moments of pain and the greater the moments of joy.

To do that, the mind requires isolation.... so the ruts in the road of life repeated, repeated in any way, at any time...in all it's myriad tiny little ways ...do not prevent the process from taking place. Any aspect of enacting an old pattern will re-enforce. And cause a falling back. Period. Inter-connectivity of the mind causes a large flare up and re-integration with the old pattern. One might think they can get away with it, and they do. for a while. the plasticity of the brain thing. It will bring you down. It just takes time. The same as going up. It just takes time.

Read my prior post on mental design and construction.

All the excuses in the world, even paying a bill for the electricity, all of it, or getting gas for the car.

All of it stands in the way. All of it. Any tiny bit of it.

Listening to the cries and woes of contacts, friends, relatives. having a place to live, by paying bills...all of it, re-enforcement.... and also, fear-excuses. Fear of change. the rut of the comfort of the known, combined with the fear of the unknown, keeping freedom away. In the actual and real sense. Seriously so.

Each tiny re-reinforcement of old routine fires the entire old network.

This is why isolation is required, in order to get the job done. Returning to any aspect of the old life, does indeed damage the progress made. Plasticity of the mind is the solution and problem.. and 3d world integration is a 'drag you down' problem, before and after enlightenment.

...and again, I can relate
3d re-integration is like heading into oncoming highway traffic...swerving and dodging and scraping some too...phhhheeewwwww
it's a workout to work out of
All I want to do is walk for miles and miles in the woods

this was the next image that popped up after reading this post of yours:

[Carmody]

It is a beautiful image..but...

For me...not even trails. deep woods. Not one single feel of humans. The subtle re-enforcement thing, again.

The two most intensely sensitive components of change, are the two furthest ends. The bottom, and thus the initial shift. The intense feeling of euphoria when the ship begins to leave the shoreline...and the sensitivity of the peak, to being disturbed by outside forces.

(I was in places, or come from places... where there is no human habitation, outside of the towns. When I was in the woods, I was in the woods. Always in areas untouched by humans. Period.) (I'd walk the game trails)

[eaglespirit]

Posted by Carmody (here)
It is a beautiful image..but...

Not even trails. deep woods. Not one single feel of humans. The subtle re-enforcement thing, again.

The two most intensely sensitive components of change, are the two furthest ends. The bottom, and thus the initial shift. The intense feeling of euphoria when the ship begins to leave the shoreline...and the sensitivity of the peak, to being disturbed by outside forces.

I have to get some sleep after this...these sharing moments here and now have been a joy. Thank You All : )

I had a moment in the winter after I got slammed by upward mobility on that Native American hill....was walking riverside and it was just newly thinly frozen, slithered on my belly across it using overhung branches to pull me to the other side...it was simple things like this that just happened on my countless excursions that winter and spring that lit me up with 'nature' exhilaration time and time again...profound connections that stimulated and fueled my journey.

[ulli]

Posted by Carmody (here)
It is a beautiful image..but...

For me...not even trails. deep woods. Not one single feel of humans. The subtle re-enforcement thing, again.

The two most intensely sensitive components of change, are the two furthest ends. The bottom, and thus the initial shift. The intense feeling of euphoria when the ship begins to leave the shoreline...and the sensitivity of the peak, to being disturbed by outside forces.

(I was in places, or come from places... where there is no human habitation, outside of the towns. When I was in the woods, I was in the woods. Always in areas untouched by humans. Period.)

I live in such a wilderness now, or rather, on the edge of such a wilderness.
Endless Virgin rain forest all the way to Panama City, nearly 1000 km away.
We are about 2 miles from Parque Nacional Tapanti.
This is our river just 10 minutes drive away, upstream:




People get lost in the National Parks of Costa Rica all the time,
and there are wild animals and poisonous snakes.
It makes me nervous to walk there. Too many horror stories.

Meanwhile the image I posted reminds me of the forest of our farm back in Germany
and triggers memories of running along those spongy, soft paths... with no fear of falling;
so fast that I ended up with stick pains in my chest.
No bears, no wolves, no witches....

[Guest]

Posted by Carmody (here)
A large spider, nearly as big as a tarantula. I thought, how could it be surviving the heat and the immersion?

Be careful

Love

Nora