Welcome to The Pub At the End of the Universe.

[onawah]

I found this description of the current energies resonates with me:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...783#post499783

One excerpt:

The pressures of atmosphere and inner turmoil are reaching their expected peak now and for the next few months, which has also caused the frequencies of human thought processes to explode with fear and hatred against each other.

indicating it is not just individuals who are fighting but ways of thinking that are clashing, really seems to describe what I'm seeing lately.
Intellectuals and Intuitives have such different ways of looking at the world, though each have something to offer to the other.
The Heart will persist until the imbalance is redressed, however, I would say, and so I expect to see more of the same for some time to come.

[Borden]

This may be inappropriate or wrong and I'm going to risk it anyway.

Jorr's passing made me feel something I didn't expect to feel. Fortunately for me, I never had any falling out with lovely Jorr, and he always seemed like a very cool geezer to me. Imagine my position if I had though. I would hate myself, and the reason would be that I hadn't understood that we are all seeing different aspects of the huge 'whatever it is'. These include ourselves, which I believe we resonate here, sometimes excellently, sometimes crappily. Myself not only included but firmly in mind as I write (the crappily bit).

I cannot stand the idea that anyone could think I damn them in my thoughts. I don't ever. I just have a temper. What if one of us wasn't here tomorrow? What if I wasn't here tomorrow? I would so hate to think that anyone I've fallen out with would think there was no space for them in my heart.

Love to us all. Certainly including Carmody and Bob.

Love to you, Jorr.

[onawah]

What could possibly be wrong or inappropriate about such a loving message from the heart, Borden?
You are one of those too rare guys who is in touch with his feminine side, yet isn't wimpy or effeminate, and I like that about you so much.
Please continue to be courageous enough to let that loving side of yourself have a voice.
I'll bet you have no idea how sexy that is.

I didn't interact with Jorr very much on the forum, but his leaving at this particular time has been a great wake up call for us here.
Thanks to Jorr and Borden.

Posted by Borden (here)
This may be inappropriate or wrong and I'm going to risk it anyway.

Jorr's passing made me feel something I didn't expect to feel. Fortunately for me, I never had any falling out with lovely Jorr, and he always seemed like a very cool geezer to me. Imagine my position if I had though. I would hate myself, and the reason would be that I hadn't understood that we are all seeing different aspects of the huge 'whatever it is'. These include ourselves, which I believe we resonate here, sometimes excellently, sometimes crappily. Myself not only included but firmly in mind as I write (the crappily bit).

I cannot stand the idea that anyone could think I damn them in my thoughts. I don't ever. I just have a temper. What if one of us wasn't here tomorrow? What if I wasn't here tomorrow? I would so hate to think that anyone I've fallen out with would think there was no space for them in my heart.

Love to us all. Certainly including Carmody and Bob.

Love to you, Jorr.

[onawah]

More on the Venus Transit and what it signifies here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...869#post499869

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by onawah (here)
indicating it is not just individuals who are fighting but ways of thinking that are clashing, really seems to describe what I'm seeing lately.

I would like to express that for me personally, I don't see what happens here in the Pub as fighting, to me it's all the evolution of the signal, in the micro and the macro. The way I'm experiencing this venus retrograde is that 'that which is hidden will come into the light' and that appears to be what's happening, to my eyes. I experience this as a good thing because I experience the signal as getting clearer, again both micro and macro. There is so much deliberately hidden and kept secret in the world; I'm of the opinion of the ka hunas- that it's the festering secrets and lies in the world that are allowing the sickness to deepen and spread.

Intellectuals and Intuitives have such different ways of looking at the world, though each have something to offer to the other.

As someone who can switch platforms within both of these areas, I am aware of the gifts *and the limitations* of both within me, which is why those who can dance co-creatively together while holding multiple perspectives are the ones I personally am looking for: the mirroring and multiple perspectives are my personal playground for the evolution. These hologramers are the ones that I communicate best with, those whose preference is more fluid and multilensed. I'm aware this isn't for everyone; Barbara Sher's work identifies this in interesting ways.

The Heart will persist until the imbalance is redressed, however, I would say, and so I expect to see more of the same for some time to come.

There is a different way that I view this: there is no point where the evolution doesn't keep endeavouring to flow. I personally don't see things in terms of imbalance, I see it as the point where, in that moment, the evolution has its focus. In my realms it's a constant space of new distillations and observations- there's the zeta point around which chaos and order oscillate, the dance between them creating the energy necessary for the next evolution. It's a perpetual energy machine when it's working right- the dance goes on forever. That doesn't happen in this realm in terms of sentient Beings, and I've seen it in other places.

I appreciate your perspective, it was an interesting place to explore.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by onawah (here)
but his leaving at this particular time has been a great wake up call for us here.

I am genuinely curious about this- in what way do you perceive this to be a wake up call? What kind of wake up do you think it is? I experience individuals saying things like this but it's so general I never know what they're talking about so I thought I'd ask.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by onawah (here)
More on the Venus Transit and what it signifies here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...869#post499869

I thought this was really interesting.

What Do We Do Now?

We can accept that we choose our thoughts and how they are directed.

We can realise that there is a global mind and global thought.

We can begin to know that our actions and thoughts affect our world.

Group action and thought is a very powerful. We now go beyond the left-brain and are bringing in the power of the right-brain. This is the return of the Venusian Goddess. A new dimension is slowly starting, and you just let go of the old and change your thoughts to change your life. [Only, that's usually not how it happens, individuals don't 'just let go' and it seems to my observations that the degree of difficulty with any transition is directly related to how addicted or attached to the internal paradigm the individual is.]

Venus is the planet of creative pleasure and harmony. She doesn’t bring suffering if we do the needed work. She is combining her light with the Sun so that we can end this old system and bring in a new evolutionary way.

I get this on a personal level. It resonates through many frequencies, which is how I like it.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xgvK78jHUnA

and because I love the cello...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=o0zuU2yYt3Y

[Debra]

Thanks for these videos Songs. Sail, Cello Cover is great.

Cerridwen, we did have a need to open the windows. You make me smile and stand back with respect. I love your perspective, it is so beautifully wise.

Katyani, your way too of bringing a summary perspective for us to ponder, is always a gem. The word dogma. Oh yes, that is it to a tee the onerous and imposing beast that runs the virus. It is the boxing in aspect of living in a dogmatic, dominant paradigm that has always been my nightmare. I say boxing in, because I refer to labels that get stuck on you - you are this and you are that and this is where thou art doth belong, forevermore.

Eeek I spent a few years, as I have explained elsewhere here and out in Avalon, in human development, designing and facilitating programs in leadership, communication and innovation. And boxing in was pretty prevalent in business and government areas. Yet, they were calling us in to bring out the best in their people, but they still operated in versions of systems that bowed to certain ideas, like a religion. It takes a lot to shift this kind of dogma that labels everything. I am not saying that labeling is wrong, but I think labels on a living being cannot last. The Myer Briggs personality test for instance, although it has it´s place to take the temperature of someone in a time of their life, does not speak for a whole person over a lifetime. But there is a perception that once tested, that is who you are - especially to a system which likes to keep files in order.

I am not dissing these types of tests, because they are valid. At the time, they are very useful for individuals to have some more insight into their make up. But that I don´t believe should be the final word, and neither should I accept that for myself either. In myself over the years, I have seen great changes - some backwards moves as well but dealing with the real of who you are in any given moment, I think, is where promise for true evolution exists. In my work, I have seen individuals take the MB test after a period of 3-6 months of development and their profiles change. Not radically of course, but a label officially lost its stickiness. I say good. Where is the room for personal growth and evolution in being labeled?

Just some thoughts flying from me this Sunday

[songsfortheotherkind]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7vs-H7xLnrs

This is from the Beijing Para-olympics. All these dancers are deaf. They dance by listening to the beat of the music in the air.

Frequency dancing. Exquisite.

[Debra]

I just want to bump this. I agree wholeheartedly with your take on the more challenging and confronting exchanges, Songs. Here or anywhere. It will only make us more sick if we keep it capped. Utterly necessary.

I also believe that switching platforms between intellectual and intuitive realms is innate in everyone and, where lacking, can be developed, particularly the intuitive realm. Neither realm is missing, it is there to be used. I think it is a choice, which one to trust more, or which one feels more reliable or comfortable to operate through. Ideally, I think, if conscious we can be operating in a symphony between the two. Much better. Research has also shown this to be the case - studying the decisions made by successful leaders. The conclusion of this one study, through Harvard I think, came down to the finding that successful decisions were made by people who drew upon their knowledge in the heat of a real time situation, but because of other emerging, radical and unexpected variables that would enter a situation, they would be the ones who threw all knowledge aside and just relied on their intuitive feedback for a final answer to a problem.

Well, I not offering anything new here. It is interesting to see where all of this is going.

I also wanted to say that I have only had ka hunas massage, but never taken the time to understand ka huna philosophy. Although physically, I know when I am connecting immediately with the deep sh#t when a good practitioner starts awakening those zones. I still have one all time favourite therapist who took ka hunas into her own methodolgy - cultural bodywork. Actually, she is part maori. Gorgeous being, I miss her. I was hoping to see her on my last trip to Australia - alas the timing was wrong.

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
indicating it is not just individuals who are fighting but ways of thinking that are clashing, really seems to describe what I'm seeing lately.

I would like to express that for me personally, I don't see what happens here in the Pub as fighting, to me it's all the evolution of the signal, in the micro and the macro. The way I'm experiencing this venus retrograde is that 'that which is hidden will come into the light' and that appears to be what's happening, to my eyes. I experience this as a good thing because I experience the signal as getting clearer, again both micro and macro. There is so much deliberately hidden and kept secret in the world; I'm of the opinion of the ka hunas- that it's the festering secrets and lies in the world that are allowing the sickness to deepen and spread.

Intellectuals and Intuitives have such different ways of looking at the world, though each have something to offer to the other.

As someone who can switch platforms within both of these areas, I am aware of the gifts *and the limitations* of both within me, which is why those who can dance co-creatively together while holding multiple perspectives are the ones I personally am looking for: the mirroring and multiple perspectives are my personal playground for the evolution. These hologramers are the ones that I communicate best with, those whose preference is more fluid and multilensed. I'm aware this isn't for everyone; Barbara Sher's work identifies this in interesting ways.

The Heart will persist until the imbalance is redressed, however, I would say, and so I expect to see more of the same for some time to come.

There is a different way that I view this: there is no point where the evolution doesn't keep endeavouring to flow. I personally don't see things in terms of imbalance, I see it as the point where, in that moment, the evolution has its focus. In my realms it's a constant space of new distillations and observations- there's the zeta point around which chaos and order oscillate, the dance between them creating the energy necessary for the next evolution. It's a perpetual energy machine when it's working right- the dance goes on forever. That doesn't happen in this realm in terms of sentient Beings, and I've seen it in other places.

I appreciate your perspective, it was an interesting place to explore.

[Mad Hatter]

Posted by Borden (here)
I'll tell you what, Alekahn, a clip of a girl playing the didgeridoo is not something I would have gone out of my way to look for ... but I found it strangely affecting. Thank you for posting this. I'm sure I heard somewhere that the didgeridoo is supposed to be for communicating with spirits. Did I really read that or have I gone completely berserk? Either way, the sound is unusual and made my ears prick up.

FYI Under Aboriginal tribal lore that is bad form as the digeridoo is considered mens business...

[onawah]

It was expressed on the thread about Jorr's passing, and Borden put it very well when he wrote:

Jorr's passing made me feel something I didn't expect to feel. Fortunately for me, I never had any falling out with lovely Jorr, and he always seemed like a very cool geezer to me. Imagine my position if I had though. I would hate myself, and the reason would be that I hadn't understood that we are all seeing different aspects of the huge 'whatever it is'. These include ourselves, which I believe we resonate here, sometimes excellently, sometimes crappily. Myself not only included but firmly in mind as I write (the crappily bit).

I cannot stand the idea that anyone could think I damn them in my thoughts. I don't ever. I just have a temper. What if one of us wasn't here tomorrow? What if I wasn't here tomorrow? I would so hate to think that anyone I've fallen out with would think there was no space for them in my heart.

Love to us all. Certainly including Carmody and Bob.

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
but his leaving at this particular time has been a great wake up call for us here.

I am genuinely curious about this- in what way do you perceive this to be a wake up call? What kind of wake up do you think it is? I experience individuals saying things like this but it's so general I never know what they're talking about so I thought I'd ask.

Although I agree with Songs and Zebra and others that the airing of different views and calling others on BS is certainly necessary and instructive, even if it leads to disagreements and ruffled feathers, what I think we all most hope to see now is a growing ability in people to transcend their differences, gain a deeper perspective and come together again, seeing themselves and each other with fresh eyes, in forgiveness of self and others for whatever ignorance or judgement or even intentional hostility caused the rupture.

At the same time, I have just about zero personal tolerance for misogyny ( though no doubt there would be disputes as to whether that was at least partially the cause of recent conflict here).
But misogyny is one of the things that is most in need of healing on our planet at this time, and like racism, is one of the hardest things to shed light on in such a way that it can actually heal.
It would be lovely if more creative conflict or conflict resolution or whatever we want to call it could take place here that would demonstrate that is changing.
Surely among awake and intelligent people, at least, it is changing, though slowly and it seems, somewhat invisibly.
Though I will also call out Bob or Carmody or anyone else when I feel they are expressing misogynist views, in my experience that usually shuts down communication lines because most men, however intelligent, just can't see their misogyny for what it is, or are too embarrassed to admit to it.

[onawah]

Songs, you wrote:

There is a different way that I view this: there is no point where the evolution doesn't keep endeavouring to flow. I personally don't see things in terms of imbalance, I see it as the point where, in that moment, the evolution has its focus. In my realms it's a constant space of new distillations and observations- there's the zeta point around which chaos and order oscillate, the dance between them creating the energy necessary for the next evolution. It's a perpetual energy machine when it's working right- the dance goes on forever. That doesn't happen in this realm in terms of sentient Beings, and I've seen it in other places.

Would you care to go into greater detail as to what you meant in that last sentence? Thank you.

Zebra, you wrote:

I also believe that switching platforms between intellectual and intuitive realms is innate in everyone and, where lacking, can be developed, particularly the intuitive realm. Neither realm is missing, it is there to be used. I think it is a choice, which one to trust more, or which one feels more reliable or comfortable to operate through. Ideally, I think, if conscious we can be operating in a symphony between the two. Much better. Research has also shown this to be the case - studying the decisions made by successful leaders. The conclusion of this one study, through Harvard I think, came down to the finding that successful decisions were made by people who drew upon their knowledge in the heat of a real time situation, but because of other emerging, radical and unexpected variables that would enter a situation, they would be the ones who threw all knowledge aside and just relied on their intuitive feedback for a final answer to a problem.

I have always been interested in this subject.
A now deceased friend, Dr. Christopher Hills, wrote several books about conflict resolution and what he called Creative Conflict and Nuclear Evolution.
He created an intentional community in part so that he could further study and write about these phenomena, not just in nature, but in evolving human community.
What he discovered was that most people have two centers from which they perceive and act the most, and usually one is predominant.
Of course, that changes as one evolves more and is not a rule set in stone, but speaking in general terms, that was what he observed to be the case predominantly.
He used information about the chakras, auras and color testing, as well as direct observation and interaction with people in his study throughout his life.
In more highly evolved people, there are quite different manifestations, and he mapped out what he believed to be a kind of path to what he called cosmic consciousness, when all the centers were working more in balance.
He thought that one essential key to the transformation of society is through people coming to understand more the inner worlds of others by understanding the chakras and the different human drives that they represent, from the first chakra represented by the color red for physical sensation,
the second represented by the color orange for social connection and ambition,
the third represented by the color yellow for intellect,
the fourth represented by the color green for vital force and personal power,
the fifth represented by the color blue for conceptual thinking and devotion,
the sixth represented by the color indigo for intuition,
the seventh represented by the color violet for imagination.
There is also black, where the soul goes through the dark night and the white light, where the soul emerges into cosmic consciousness.

Of course, I realize this is a rather hegemonistic and very limited description of human evolution, but when using words, one is always limited.
But I personally witnessed that many members of the community he created went through some truly remarkable transformations.
And they weren't particularly outstanding, special individuals when the community first started; kind of average, actually.
Over the years though, many of them transformed so dramatically, I almost wouldn't have known them as the same people.

[Borden]

Don't you just hate it when you watch a clip about something that looks interesting, like ancient civilizations or whatever (something I just saw elsewhere, not in the forum), and the music is quite clearly meant to utterly terrify you? Wow! I mean, I learned a couple of interesting things, but it was pretty scary. Some of those clips might benefit from a different choice of soundtrack, I reckon.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UrtRYmJ9u_8

[Curt]

This is something I was talking about with Borden earlier...I’m liking the Swedish influence in the Pub. Lots of Swedes. I find them very interesting. They're easy to overlook at first. Then you look up and suddenly notice there's a sea of them, being all chilled out and unobtrusive and quietly wise. It makes me want to go to Sweden and check it out.

I guess what I'm saying is, I'm developing a sort of schoolboy crush on your country.

[Gekko]

In the spirit of this thread

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4F-CpE73o2M

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Mad Hatter (here)
FYI Under Aboriginal tribal lore that is bad form as the digeridoo is considered mens business...

I did post about this, as it's common thought that women can't play the didge- they *can*, as long as it isn't decorated. My aunt was almost full blood Aboriginal and she came from a mob out west in the desert- she could play, but only the undecorated ones and never in the presence of an Aboriginal man.

These days, as the Aboriginal tribal councils are run almost totally by the women, young women are playing undecorated didges in public as the tribal councils are recognising that their crushingly patriarchal and rigid culture needs to evolve. I've had some really interesting discussions with local female elders and activists about this and it's fascinating to watch a culture- that had a system of taboo and punishment so rigid and ferociously enforced that it prevented any evolution at all for 50,000 years- finally exploring itself in terms of what to keep and what to throw. It seems the ferocious and evolution halting taboo system is one of the things they're throwing.

[Calz]

Peering forebodingly out of the darkened corner of the smoke filled Pub one cannot help but notice a change in the air beyond the musty smells of the ale saturated surroundings.

What treachery could ever be afoot here where so many have gathered together in a joyous celebration of drunken debauchery? What dark magic could test the inseperable bonds that have bound the souls of the faithful Pub Patrons?








Surely it must be understood that in a space where individuality and acceptance are the rule of law ... *one ring cannot rule them all*.






PS - in tribute (Pub style) to a fallen comrade ... and risen pheonix ...

[Alekahn]