Freewill and the channel wars

[Lettherebelight]

What a great conversation. Thank you to everyone taking part for courteous and interesting views.

There is so much information coming through now...

• Individuals saying they are receiving info from external sources internally (channelling)

• Ancient sources, subject to interpretation and corruption (various scripture)

• Conjecture, heresay (individual supposition)

• Speculation (having a guess, we all do it!)

With all of this, let's not forget the inner Voice or underestimate Its power. If we tune in to that! we will never go too far off track.

[Carmody]

I made up the word archonistic.

Do I get a medal for that one?

Maybe a spot in the 27 volumes of the Oxford?

[Lettherebelight]

Very well done indeed! Seriously though, I think Websters, or someone should be notified immediately....before someone else gets in there first!

[StarDust]

Posted by Lettherebelight (here)
With all of this, let's not forget the inner Voice or underestimate Its power. If we tune in to that! we will never go too far off track.

Have you ever given much thought to what the "inner Voice" is comprised of? If so, you may find that my own views on the subject are more the norm than the exception - this is certainly the case beyond this Density.

[DeDukshyn]

I see things as processes, I see processes as confusing to some (because humans tend to relate to things in events and reactions), I see people trying to make sense and respond to that confusion - it is good that they are searching - I do not judge it. I also see a very few that are legitimately malevolent in their disinfo - the "process" wont stop and all will be revealed soon ;-) Impatience and humanity's desire for "quick fixes" is fueling a lot of the nonsense. But there is a little truth in everything, IMHO, my 2 cents

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It's not really a revelation though the messages themselves have turned into an external crutch.

Letting someone know that they should wait to have a vibrational event is quite different than showing them how to have one now.

Or that someone else will be responsible for their vibrational event.

A mass deluge of information keeping the mind tied up in the future is a pretty good way not to turned inwardly to have a vibrational event period.


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[Lettherebelight]

Yes, Stardust, I have given much thought to the Inner Voice.

It was your eloquent responses of post #39, that inspired me to post on this thread and mention it, as I thought you expressed it so well (the Inner Voice).

You made some wonderful points in a most gracious way; please forgive my agricultural style.

[9eagle9]

yes enough truth to make it resonate so the remainder of the disinfo will be summarily accepted as the resonating truth as well.

Also called 'advertising' .

"Well yes there's some truth this toothpaste will whiten your teeth--(mumble mumble, by a micron or two) Nothing that can't be observed with a high powered electron microscope.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
I see things as processes, I see processes as confusing to some (because humans tend to relate to things in events and reactions), I see people trying to make sense and respond to that confusion - it is good that they are searching - I do not judge it. I also see a very few that are legitimately malevolent in their disinfo - the "process" wont stop and all will be revealed soon ;-) Impatience and humanity's desire for "quick fixes" is fueling a lot of the nonsense. But there is a little truth in everything, IMHO, my 2 cents

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It's not really a revelation though the messages themselves have turned into an external crutch.

Letting someone know that they should wait to have a vibrational event is quite different than showing them how to have one now.

Or that someone else will be responsible for their vibrational event.

A mass deluge of information keeping the mind tied up in the future is a pretty good way not to turned inwardly to have a vibrational event period.


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[DeDukshyn]

Clearly not what I was getting at but thanks for trying, (oh wait, you tried "not") ...

There is a difference in use of that term for analysis as opposed for "advertising" (does no one understand what a "context" is?). I thought it would be obvious, I give people way to much credit.

You clearly just scoured my post for anything to possibly react to. I still love you though And you are right, info does get mixed with disinfo - always has and always will - even with the best of intentions. I'd rather look at that than look away - not because I "want to believe" but because I have methods of discernment to almost instanly throw out any crap or lies or useless distracting info. Some people can't do this thus toss out everything and criticize everyone else no matter if they do what I do, or just foolishly believe things outright.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
yes enough truth to make it resonate so the remainder of the disinfo will be summarily accepted as the resonating truth as well.

Also called 'advertising' .

"Well yes there's some truth this toothpaste will whiten your teeth--(mumble mumble, by a micron or two) Nothing that can't be observed with a high powered electron microscope.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
I see things as processes, I see processes as confusing to some (because humans tend to relate to things in events and reactions), I see people trying to make sense and respond to that confusion - it is good that they are searching - I do not judge it. I also see a very few that are legitimately malevolent in their disinfo - the "process" wont stop and all will be revealed soon ;-) Impatience and humanity's desire for "quick fixes" is fueling a lot of the nonsense. But there is a little truth in everything, IMHO, my 2 cents

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It's not really a revelation though the messages themselves have turned into an external crutch.

Letting someone know that they should wait to have a vibrational event is quite different than showing them how to have one now.

Or that someone else will be responsible for their vibrational event.

A mass deluge of information keeping the mind tied up in the future is a pretty good way not to turned inwardly to have a vibrational event period.


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[StarDust]

Posted by Lettherebelight (here)
Yes, Stardust, I have given much thought to the Inner Voice.

It was your eloquent responses of post #39, that inspired me to post on this thread and mention it, as I thought you expressed it so well (the Inner Voice).

You made some wonderful points in a most gracious way; please forgive my agricultural style.

Thank you! I'm happy to hear that what I shared was inspirational and that you have given it much thought. The inner voice is so incredibly honest with only your best interest at heart.

I'm somewhat surprised that more people don't listen to it. However, I do acknowledge that the suppression of listening to the truth from within is a result of this Density and the thousands of years that have been spent disempowering people here. It is truly joyful to see so many waking up even though many more have yet to wake.

[9eagle9]

There's nothing in your post to get re-active about. It's neutrally temporizing.

The same sort of programming vectors in channeled messages exists in advertising, that is why its so easy to snare people into it. Those channels have been traveled before.


No big deal.

Unless of course it's happening to you.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by seigiarchon (here)
i was "attacked" in the so-called channel wars.. tell me.. how do i protect myself from people who are trying to "attack" me in the channel wars again..

does a firewall or vpn help? if you cannot give me some answers which i can use to protect myself in the future, then i am gonna ask the mods to delete my account..

if any of you wanna give me some advice on how to protect myself, you can PM me.. if no one is gonna help me out here.. then i will ask the mods to delete my account..

You are deleted, however i think you still read the forum, youre arrogance in dumping the emotional blackmail on other posters is trully stunning, you martyred yourself for nothing at all, i call that a suicide bummer.

May the farce be with you.

[SKAWF]

SKAWF
''to hear people talk ....
i ask you..... where did you get the knowledge and confidence from?''

ANCHOR
''If its me, then it is because I speak from experience. I can state it, but I have no right to expect you to believe me.''


oddly enough none of what ive said was aimed at you.
but am i right in thinking your more a channeler
than an ascension peddler?

SKAWF
''i bet it was from a source outside of yourself.... .

ANCHOR
''''Yes, in my case it was a mixture, initially from the outside, but later some of it comes from the inside - or in communion with what has been fashionably termed "my higher self".

how do you get yourself 'into the zone'........... whats your process?

SKAWF
''i have worked hard etc
'sort my head out'

ANCHOR
''May I ask you, what guided you on this path?

that could be answered a thousand ways!

i have long term goals, and everything i do is in relation to them.
even if i waver, the destination is fixed.
the goes for the energetic AND physical world

i used to say 'things are neither good or bad, they are what they are'
i found that if i wasnt swayed by the positives or the negatives of a situation,
the speed of my thinking increased, and i started to notice patterns in everything.
it was something new to explore
and it grows.
that was the main thing...

i realised that nearly everything i was doing was for someone elses benefit.
then two mini sparks
there's as much mileage in stopping some patterns as there is in starting new ones.
and
in order to start again, you must first STOP!

then i rebooted with things of my own creation.
actually nurturing it at first and it has been growing ever since.
and as i say, the struggle does continue.

its kinda like seeing pictures of things in the imagination,
and then trying to put words to it, and then when i think i've got an understanding of it,
stating a conclusion based on it.
IF, after right after that there is any chatter from the mind,
or any feelings of doubt

then it wasnt the conclusion and more thought is required
but if it WAS a sound conclusion, it passes through with no mental chatter, and no negative feelings.

i'd say it was about being entirely self contained.
able to operate independently
triangulating the imagination, the heart and the mind
and using them together to get a bigger picture.

i couldve been here all night answering that.
hope i actually did.

steve

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
There's nothing in your post to get re-active about. It's neutrally temporizing.

The same sort of programming vectors in channeled messages exists in advertising, that is why its so easy to snare people into it. Those channels have been traveled before.


No big deal.

Unless of course it's happening to you.

EDIT: Nice post deleted -- read below.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
There's nothing in your post to get re-active about. It's neutrally temporizing.

The same sort of programming vectors in channeled messages exists in advertising, that is why its so easy to snare people into it. Those channels have been traveled before.


No big deal.

Unless of course it's happening to you.

I just realized how condescending and judgmental your post is. And how you criticize me when I express knowledge and education in specific arenas (that I can always back up with some science - at least the real stances I take - not the ones others perceive me to have - those I cannot back up because they are not real) and can understand things in a different light. Judgements and criticism of others says much much more about the one judging and criticizing than it does about the ones they attack. You must feel these actions serve you specifically in some way or you would not do it. So tell me, what reward does it net you?

[Anchor]

Bloody free will. It means people can argue with each-other, as well as about things.

So it goes.

[DeDukshyn]

Debate and condescending baseless attacks (Trolling) are not remotely in the same category ... I expect too much class from folks of Avalon I guess .... I keep forgetting its a loose collection of all sorts of rogues

[Anchor]

Posted by SKAWF (here)
oddly enough none of what ive said was aimed at you.
but am i right in thinking your more a channeler
than an ascension peddler?

Well there is an interesting question... what do I peddle?

I guess I want to progress my "mission" and perhaps, I um, err, I cant keep my mouth shut...

[ Potentially summarized here ]

Posted by SKAWF (here)
how do you get yourself 'into the zone'........... whats your process?

Link is in my signature to Mediation.

Posted by SKAWF (here)
that could be answered a thousand ways!

The one you chose was good. In my view, you appear to have tapped into the kinds of visualization/manifestation ideas that I also have internalized/remembered.

What do you think about the idea that we have a "higher-self" ?

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Anchor (here)

Posted by SKAWF (here)
oddly enough none of what ive said was aimed at you.
but am i right in thinking your more a channeler
than an ascension peddler?

Well there is an interesting question... what do I peddle?

I guess I want to progress my "mission" and perhaps, I um, err, I cant keep my mouth shut...

[ Potentially summarized here ]

Posted by SKAWF (here)
how do you get yourself 'into the zone'........... whats your process?

Link is in my signature to Mediation.

Posted by SKAWF (here)
that could be answered a thousand ways!

The one you chose was good. In my view, you appear to have tapped into the kinds of visualization/manifestation ideas that I also have internalized/remembered.

What do you think about the idea that we have a "higher-self" ?

Brilliant list! I can agree with all of it for myself ... (not a surprise).

[9eagle9]

I was disagree-ing with you. I do realize that people self identify with their beliefs to the extent if the idea is challenged they feel judged.

You took it personally so ,....you took it personally.

So did Seigarchon apparently.

Forgive me not realizing you are the only person educated in such phenom and that your vast understanding of any given topic should remain unchallenged lest your feelings be stirred by an objection to your beleif system.

And oh **** I can't hold a straight face for this long.....

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
There's nothing in your post to get re-active about. It's neutrally temporizing.

The same sort of programming vectors in channeled messages exists in advertising, that is why its so easy to snare people into it. Those channels have been traveled before.


No big deal.

Unless of course it's happening to you.

I just realized how condescending and judgmental your post is. And how you criticize me when I express knowledge and education in specific arenas (that I can always back up with some science - at least the real stances I take - not the ones others perceive me to have - those I cannot back up because they are not real) and can understand things in a different light. Judgements and criticism of others says much much more about the one judging and criticizing than it does about the ones they attack. You must feel these actions serve you specifically in some way or you would not do it. So tell me, what reward does it net you?

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by Carmody (here)
I made up the word archonistic.

Do I get a medal for that one?

Maybe a spot in the 27 volumes of the Oxford?

For that to be grammatically correct I believe the noun form would need to end in ism. (I believe the regular adjective form would be Archonic) The Dictionary committee awards you no points, and may the Archons have mercy on your soul! ;p