Barack Obama 2012

[Calz]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

SKAWF,
If you buy the Statue of Liberty today - and today only - I'm willing to throw in your choice of the Eiffel Tower or the Taj Mahal. Act quickly. This offer is void where prohibited. Your mileage may vary.

Dennis

Free shipping costs to Kansas???

[goinghome2012]

Obama is just playing his role right until Omega point!!!

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by quoted from Counterpunch Aricle
"It may once have been possible to argue that Obama kept his distance from popular struggles out of simple cowardice or wrong-headedness. The Rorschach candidate of four years ago, the man upon whom voters yearning for ‘change’ projected their hopes, remained inscrutable enough long enough to fool all (or nearly all) of the people all of the time.

In progressive circles especially, but also in the labor movement and among persons of color, there is still a lingering belief, a baseless hope really, that whatever he does, he is ultimately one of “us”; that he’s on the peoples’ side.

But, after Wisconsin, it is hard to see how anyone who is not willfully blind can avoid drawing the obvious conclusion: that Obama is not a tragic figure– a good man, moved by good reasons, who is somehow obliged to do ill – but that he is instead, like everyone else integral to the “bipartisan” consensus that makes our politics so odious, not one of us at all, but one of them; and that what he does, he does for them, not for us."

Source: Counterpunch Article, Obama’s Wisconsin Betrayal http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/05/...nsin-betrayal/

Seems more and more people are watching what Obama actually does, rather than just listening to the hypnotic words that he says.

Dennis

[eileenrose]

Finally...found this thread.

Got a new one for you. And please read the whole interview. I have questions....and you will see why....more to this interview than just about the President watching his kills via remote control.

Title: WHITE HOUSE INSIDER: Barack Obama’s High Tech Snuff Films…

Link: http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/0...h-snuff-films/

snip (note. WHI = White House Insider)

WHI: …Obama loves them drones. He has made them a personal priority above all else.

The question, that is also the answer, to so much of this then – is WHY? From there…I got the goods…I told you what their re-election plan was. How they are gonna use race, division, chaos…that’s the re-election plan. Folks are talking now…from inside the administration. And they are afraid. Sh-t ain’t right. Where they wanna take us – and it’s got people upset. Military had wind of it first…the Old Man knew…now it’s spreading. Not about the election campaign -the second term plan. There’s denials being sent back…but nobody trusts them now. And the ones who do…they are in on it themselves. Others…like me…you might see us smilin’ and noddin’…but know that’s just the public face we are putting on. We gotta do that to maintain access. Don’t let that throw you – you’re gonna see more and more of that in the coming months. That just needs to be done. We lose our access…makes it a hell of a lot tougher to plan, right? So you may see me saying one thing…I’m doing it different. You gotta trust me on that. There will come a time in all of this…it’s gonna get tough, it’s gonna get weird…you’re gonna feel used up. Betrayed. When we reach that point, and we will – I’m tellin’ you now – we will reach that point…trust is what will keep it all together. If we don’t have that…they win. And if they win – we all are gonna lose and lose hard.

The country’s really in the sh-t now…and the papers runnin’ low…

UM: I need to your to expand on the Drone thing – Obama’s love of using the drones. You say you “got the goods” – your words. What do you mean?

WHI: It’s what has been brewin’ for well over a year now…it’s causing all kinds of hell between the administration…the military…infighting and concern among the staff…even Jarrett don’t have a handle on all of it. Even she is not entirely comfortable with how the president has sunk his teeth into the drones…the kill list. She’s not bothered by their use specifically…she’s more…I would guess she’s more worried over the political implications of Obama’s obsession…that eventually enough people will stand together and say ENOUGH. She can’t afford to have that happen too soon…the re-election makes them all vulnerable…the plans…the obligations to others…America can still stop them in 2012 and she understands that. So having Obama so oddly focused…not just focused…he gets excited…visually…the guy gets off on it and he ain’t even hiding that fact anymore. And some are repulsed by it. They’ve done video reviews you know…of the missions. The drones. The kills.

UM: The president you mean? He watches videos of the drone attacks?

WHI: Yeah – like it was…like it was porn. I can’t emphasize…I don’t think I’m painting a clear enough picture here for you of how this thing has people really freaking out inside the administration. It’s good on one hand because it’s got more of them willing to talk…but…the fact it’s gotten this bad…these drones…an American president who has the video sent up to his personal study so he can watch them over and over again…like I said – sh-t ain’t right. And more and more people are figuring that out – and that is what has Jarrett concerned. But even she…Obama won’t listen to her on this one. Those drones are the one thing he really feels he has control over…all the rest…he’s been told what to say and where to go…when to wake…when to sleep…but the drones. The drones are all his – and he ain’t given those up. For nobody.

UM: So Jarrett is against the use of drones?

WHI: No-no-no…I ain’t said that. Far from it. The drones are all part of this…the big big picture here…what she’s concerned over is that her boy…the president…he’s gotta get it under control…his obsession with using them like he has. The weekly meetings, the kill list…I mean c’mon now…he’s got his own personal kill list. The guy who campaigned against Bush era interrogations…Obama don’t interrogate. He picks a name off a list…some of these people have beenU.S. citizens…he picks that name off a list and orders the kill. Then he gets the video confirmation of the kill…and he watches it. Over and over and over again.

(Pause)

Jarrett knows she has got to tap that down. That kind of display…it’s repulsive to people. And it’s freaking them out. Jarrett don’t mind the drones…she approves of the program…she approves of what…of how they will be utilized at home. But if the president…if his reaction to using them…how he gets off on it…that endangers them having control of those drones after 2012…and beyond. It’s a politically difficult – an extremely difficult argument to win. A guy who complained loudly about water boarding – it don’t kill the poor bastard. It makes ‘em talk. Barack Obama declared that to be offensive to the ideals of America, right? But now Barack Obama…he’s judge and jury. With a pointing of a finger to names on a list…Barack Obama gets to play God. No day in court. No guarantee innocent people won’t be killed as well – and they have been killed. Children. Women. Over and over again. And this president…he has that knowledge when he watches the kill confirmations. And he watches it over and over again. These are high tech snuff films – a multi-billion dollar snuff program…and he gets off on it.

You ok?

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Due to copy write issues, this is only about half (so not that long). Please read. I like to hear people's thoughts about this.

For myself, I don't know if this is the case or not. I mean, I don't know yet if this is confirmed information (about his watching children die for fun). But what is more revealing, in this interview...is that they are pointing the finger at the Elites...in a round-about way...or did I miss something. Need another perspective. Is the truth coming out now in the main stream news...or is this a another reason not to vote but instead pray?

ps: now I feel what it must have felt like (a tad) to be in the civil war and live in the South. There is no good news. Just bad to worse.

[eileenrose]

Just to give a quick over-view (goes with the article I just put up in the above post) and add some more names to the mix (in a short well performed video...which I highly recommend we just memorize it as this information might not be around that long)

Title of video: The Jews Behind US Spy Drones, by Brother Nathanael Productions

http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=726

[Lost Soul]

Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. If he loves viewing the drone snuff flicks and revels in viewing the executions he ordered, he is walking the dark path.

[eileenrose]

The Enemy of my enemy is my friend isn't working for me any longer, in regards to Obama. I decided it wasn't a political issue for me any longer....who I voted for. Instead, it is now a philosophical argument (ie. I want to know who this man is, who this party is representing and just how evil does it have to get for folks to just say the whole system is a bust...let's begin again...or at least worry more about it)

Re: http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/1198

Title: Facing Facts in Wisconsin: Progressive and Workers Were Sold Out by Obama and the Democratic Party

snip
that caught my interest:

So let’s get it straight. The Wisconsin battle was hugely important -- an existential struggle for the US labor movement and working people in general, and a critical litmus test of the real nature of both President Obama and of the Democratic Party. And both the president and the party failed that test. Completely and deliberately.

Let’s first get rid of the false Big Money argument. The truth is that no amount of money can turn an election when the public is fired up over a cause or a candidate. What Big Money on one side of an issue or on behalf of one candidate can do is rally the people who are on that side, to get them out to the polls. On the margins, it might help sway a few undecided people who can be duped or scared, but this is of very limited help, because such people tend to be disinterested in politics and voting, so even if they are convinced by the propaganda, they are unlikely to turn out. That can only make a difference if the other side fails to get all its supporters out.

The progressives who battled mightily in this campaign may have been wildly outspent, but they were hardly without resources and they certainly managed to reach every potential supporter with their message of defending working people from Walker’s attack.

What they lacked was any significant support from the Democratic Party and the party’s standard-bearer, President Barack Obama -- the man who as candidate back in 2008, when he won Wisconsin, promised to put on a pair of “comfortable shoes” and to “walk the picket line” with struggling workers everywhere.

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Just saying, I am willing to let Obama go...at least the illusion that he was better than anyone else to vote for (from our choices). Just saying...gave up on voting (in this set-up situation)...and not saying that I gave up on people (at all). Just maybe I can take the higher ground and say what needs to be said/seen...no matter the outcome.

[Maia Gabrial]

Check out the White Hats Report #42 and see if anyone still thinks Obama is a good guy....

[mountain_jim]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
Check out the White Hats Report #42 and see if anyone still thinks Obama is a good guy....

I have not looked to see if a thread for this yet, but Kerry mentioned it in her blog so I had it open

http://tdarkcabal.blogspot.com/

as I feel their info has been well-documented (later edit - well, not THAT well, still no proof of Herzog arrest they claimed and only small amount of unverifiable financial docs released) recently, this one relates to the above story in that they claim Ed Falcone was put on Obama's kill list

After the first two attempts failed, it has been reported to us that Bush Sr. then contacted President Obama to engage the CIA in another attempt to silence Falcone. We were told that Obama issued orders to the agency to carry out an assassination against Falcone, a citizen of the United States of America. At this time, it’s unclear whether the President was aware of the two failed attempts to assassinate Falcone as ordered by Bush Sr. and carried out by rogue agency operatives.

[gripreaper]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
I believe a clairvoyant might correctly predict the future, but that it is simply an extremely well-honed guess. I believe no one has seen the future, and no one can see the future. I like the intriguing narrative of the future as being like the strands of fiber making up a rope, and that the future cannot be seen or predicted precisely because we (all) jump strands - but that the future's strongest possibilities might be able to be seen. But, that is as far as I can imagine (in my admittedly dense, 3D mind's eye.) I don't think advanced civilizations from other worlds can time travel into the future either - it seems to me to be beyond the capability of physics or metaphysics. (I can imagine distance travel, vast distances at far beyond the speed of light, but not time travel into the future.)

Dennis

My take exactly. The future is not cast in stone, but is a series of possible outcomes, or timelines, if you will. So, when messing around with the space/time continuum, one may see these possible outcomes and choose which one they would like, which best fits their agenda.

it's like going to a psychic. The psychic picks up on your energy signature in your energy field, and tells you the outcome you want to hear.

I just don't think time is linear, but all energy exists and can "form or transform" based on intention, and that it only appears linear to us 3D cockroaches (new illuminati word coined at Bilderberger)

[GlassSteagallfan]

@eileenrose....you get the credit for the article, but I've got to post the LaRouche version too.....

Drone Killings a Sexual Thrill for Obama

In an interview published June 4 with his source "White House Insider," (WHI) blogger Ulsterman (UM) points to facts long-known among insiders, regarding Obama's obsessive sexual stimulation from viewing and reviewing film footage of the drone killings he has ordered — reminiscent of Hitler's orders that the torture-executions of the July, 1944 coup plotters be filmed for his enjoyment. Hitler's obessions of this sort were far milder and better-controlled, however. For comparison with Obama's degree of deviancy one must go back to his examplar, the Roman emperor Nero, as Lyndon LaRouche pointed out on April 11, 2009.

WHI: Obama loves them drones. He has made them a personal priority above all else....

It's what has been brewin' for well over a year now — its causing all kinds of hell between the administration — the military — infighting and concern among the staff — even Jarrett don't have a handle on all of it. Even she is not entirely comfortable with how the president has sunk his teeth into the drones — the kill list. She's not bothered by their use specifically — she's more — I would guess she's more worried over the political implications of Obama's obsession — that eventually enough people will stand together and say ENOUGH....

So having Obama so oddly focused — not just focused — he gets excited — visually — the guy gets off on it and he ain't even hiding that fact anymore. And some are repulsed by it. They've done video reviews you know of the missions. The drones. The kills.

UM: The president you mean? He watches videos of the drone attacks?

WHI: Yeah — like it was — like it was porn. I can't emphasize... I don't think I'm painting a clear enough picture here for you of how this thing has people really freaking out inside the administration....

The fact it's gotten this bad — these drones — an American president who has the video sent up to his personal study so he can watch them over and over again — like I said — sh-t ain't right. And more and more people are figuring that out — and that is what has Jarrett concerned. But even she — Obama won't listen to her on this one....

He picks a name off a list — some of these people have been U.S. citizens — he picks that name off a list and orders the kill. Then he gets the video confirmation of the kill, and he watches it. Over and over and over again....

But now Barack Obama, he's judge and jury. With a pointing of a finger to names on a list, Barack Obama gets to play God. No day in court. No guarantee innocent people won't be killed as well, and they have been killed. Children. Women. Over and over again. And this president — he has that knowledge when he watches the kill confirmations. And he watches it over and over again. These are high-tech snuff films — a multi-billion dollar snuff program — and he gets off on it.

She's gotta try and contain it — but the president's obsession is becoming too much to do that. The knowledge of it — its getting out now. Reaching other world leaders — it ain't good. Even if it might give us a political advantage — you want sickening?

Those drones — their domestic use — don't think he ain't thought about it. A lot.

You see, Obama — he don't trust the military. Not all of the — not many of them. But he trusts those drones, now don't he? Don't take him having to trust some military official to order troops to carry out an order inside the United States. It's just inputting a bit of data — and the push of a button, right? And keep the f-cking military out of that equation there. Move the program — attach it directly to the White House. Make it part of Homeland Security, right? Simple as that. One appropriations bill — just one — and its done. [See http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/0...ch-snuff-films]

[turiya]

Hey Dennis,

First thing - watch who you are calling names. I, for one, think Obama is a "good" guy.

Without people like Obama as deceiver, the international global elites feeding you & your family toxic waste foods, the banksters sucking the blood out of your bank accounts, the de facto government taxing you from cradle to grave, and the royal families & the clergy abusing your children, how else do you think the masses are going to wake up?

In this regard, all these people are indeed lightworkers.
There is good & bad in every situation.

Second thing: From my understanding this is what Drake is implying also. "Obama could be a switcheroonie" these are Drakes words. Drake was upset with Bill Brockbader because he came out with the information before Drake could do it.
http://wramsite.com/forum/topics/ins...ment%3A1295785

Third thing is - Come on! I think you need to exercise your ability to properly discern what is going on here.

This video is a clear sign that the Bilderberg Group has withdrawn their support for Obama's second term as President. Obama is being dumped. Here's the most recent Jeff Rense interview with Webster Griffin Tarpley (link below) in which they talk about this very thing. Its not the first time I have heard this.

References:
1) Webster Tarpley / Rense Interview: http://curezone.com/ig/i.asp?i=58905
2) New York Times Obama's Kill List article: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/wo...aeda.html?_r=1
3) Huffington Post - New York Times/White House Leaked Controversy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1577430.html

The new 'puppet-to-be' is Mitt Romney.

Cheers - turiya

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
How sick is this?

The odds that Obama is a "good guy", hiding as a mole inside the Cabal-controlled US government, are approximately one quintillion to one. Anyone who says Obama is a good guy is a liar and a disinfo agent - or a stunningly dense fool and and unwitting disinfo agent.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YeIkpr88H4E

Dennis

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
How sick is this?

The odds that Obama is a "good guy", hiding as a mole inside the Cabal-controlled US government, are approximately one quintillion to one. Anyone who says Obama is a good guy is a liar and a disinfo agent - or a stunningly dense fool and and unwitting disinfo agent.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YeIkpr88H4E

Women and children murdered on the orders of President Obama
Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YeIkpr88H4E

Dennis

Now, I'm not saying I know who is what. But let's suppose for a moment that you were a light worker, and had two young children and an unaware wife and you had to do an important covert job. In this covert job you had to do horrible things, you had to do horrible things because if you didn't, you'd quickly find your children strapped to a torture wrack and surrounded by people whose greatest joy was to slice, dice, inject, cut, burn, and peel anything and everything just to see what new patterns they could make from the spasms of bodily fluids that would be ejected during their actions. Suppose they also had superb medical training such to ensure they could keep this torture perpetual and they had a way to ensure doubles were there for public appearances. So it wouldn't be like they needed to ever stop the moment you stepped out of line to keep the functional image up.

Suppose you were that person, what would you do? Would you condemn your children and possibly wife to a lifetime of torture, or would you sign an executive order to send the drones into Pakistan knowing that eventually the info you got out would ensure that no drones went back and nobody's children got put on that wrack?

I think in some cases we forget that human beings who care about people are VERY VULNERABLE when dealing with psychopaths. Ultimately in this 3D world there is a lowest common denominator, everyone other than a psychopath cares about someone and that someone is their greatest weakness. It could be a wife, mother, kids, etc. Point being the moment you in any way become effected by someone else suffering, they have a weight they can hold over your head for time immemorial. Unless you're superman and willing to basically be the 24/7 bodyguard for that Lois Lane or Jimmy Olson you care for, there will come a time where the people you care about are vulnerable.

How would a light worker maturely handle such vulnerabilities? Let's not talk about Obama directly so much but let's hypothesize for a bit about what a real light worker would be doing in his position. What would they do differently, why? Before we get all up on the criticism bandwagon again, because lord knows I love it too, let's ask ourselves what "someone better" or rather "better decisions" we would've wanted to see. Then we can talk about whether we think Obama in any way measures up to what we could actually expect of a real human, with flaws and people who he might actually care about.

I don't know Obama, so I won't vouch and say any of this really reflects on him as a person. But my hope is this would be a far more constructive line of discussion.

[eileenrose]

Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
How sick is this?

The odds that Obama is a "good guy", hiding as a mole inside the Cabal-controlled US government, are approximately one quintillion to one. Anyone who says Obama is a good guy is a liar and a disinfo agent - or a stunningly dense fool and and unwitting disinfo agent.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YeIkpr88H4E

Women and children murdered on the orders of President Obama
Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YeIkpr88H4E

Dennis

Now, I'm not saying I know who is what. But let's suppose for a moment that you were a light worker, and had two young children and an unaware wife and you had to do an important covert job. In this covert job you had to do horrible things, you had to do horrible things because if you didn't, you'd quickly find your children strapped to a torture wrack and surrounded by people whose greatest joy was to slice, dice, inject, cut, burn, and peel anything and everything just to see what new patterns they could make from the spasms of bodily fluids that would be ejected during their actions. Suppose they also had superb medical training such to ensure they could keep this torture perpetual and they had a way to ensure doubles were there for public appearances. So it wouldn't be like they needed to ever stop the moment you stepped out of line to keep the functional image up.

Suppose you were that person, what would you do? Would you condemn your children and possibly wife to a lifetime of torture, or would you sign an executive order to send the drones into Pakistan knowing that eventually the info you got out would ensure that no drones went back and nobody's children got put on that wrack?

I think in some cases we forget that human beings who care about people are VERY VULNERABLE when dealing with psychopaths. Ultimately in this 3D world there is a lowest common denominator, everyone other than a psychopath cares about someone and that someone is their greatest weakness. It could be a wife, mother, kids, etc. Point being the moment you in any way become effected by someone else suffering, they have a weight they can hold over your head for time immemorial. Unless you're superman and willing to basically be the 24/7 bodyguard for that Lois Lane or Jimmy Olson you care for, there will come a time where the people you care about are vulnerable.

How would a light worker maturely handle such vulnerabilities? Let's not talk about Obama directly so much but let's hypothesize for a bit about what a real light worker would be doing in his position. What would they do differently, why? Before we get all up on the criticism bandwagon again, because lord knows I love it too, let's ask ourselves what "someone better" or rather "better decisions" we would've wanted to see. Then we can talk about whether we think Obama in any way measures up to what we could actually expect of a real human, with flaws and people who he might actually care about.

I don't know Obama, so I won't vouch and say any of this really reflects on him as a person. But my hope is this would be a far more constructive line of discussion.

Who says Obama is a lightworker? I have to question that one (heard it said by channelers......). Sounds like a sales pitch for new agers.

I like to know the real reason you feel you need to give him support now? Not back in 2008, but now.

I feel we need to keep our attention on the ball...winning our freedom from corruption (if that can happen...). At least that is the ball I am looking at. Individuals don't matter to me. I don't care who he is....just what he re-presents. ...which is us. And he failed. So that is that (as far as I can see...about him).

I never put him on a pedestal because he is in the world of politics. But I did have a hope and a prayer he would turn toward helping people. And he hasn't done that.

But letting the idea go that is 'one of us' is the hard part. Because the mind (it always comes back to esoteric teachings) wants things to be a certain way and when the paradigm no longer fits, (like "obama' is a light worker...or how about the one I had...that he is a decent individual and might help fix the US's issues...or/and a human with a role to play in our evolution) we don't want to stop and re-evaluate.

That is all I am saying. I re-evaluating my initial feelings about his role and have changed my opinion based on the facts as they present themselves.

hope that explains it for you (why I posted 'negative' reports about him....first time for me).

[the_vast_mystery]

Please answer the question, what would a mature person put under those situations, hoping to do good, do differently?

I think this question is very, very important before we discuss anything else further. It underpins everything about how we are evaluating his job performance and it simply cannot be avoided if we want to have a further serious discussion about it.

[eileenrose]

Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)
Please answer the question, what would a mature person put under those situations, hoping to do good, do differently?

I think this question is very, very important before we discuss anything else further. It underpins everything about how we are evaluating his job performance and it simply cannot be avoided if we want to have a further serious discussion about it.

Stop making excuses (and we stop making excuses for him...no matter our intentions).....it is grind time (he needs to do a good job now.....no more waiting for a better time....otherwise the universe will just choose someone else that matters).

And if he is watching these films....then heaven help him.


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PS:
And if we had to make a list of what bad decisions he has made....will we all know them already...they are all over PA threads.

....and that is what I am referring too.

He had many chances to show his colors and he just rolled over (for ....???...we only have our guesses...in reality).

I gave up on him when he gave on Wisconsin/the people's unions this month.

What, too busy avoiding reality to care (him)? I mean, isn't that what people are saying about him? Really? You (us) want someone who doesn't care in charge of us?

I don't. And if he is our only choice....then heaven help us.


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pss: He is like the brother that comes home drunk every night. You think you know him and you try to get him to stop, but you are too close to see who he really is.

Time to take a step back and really look (not as someone against him....but as someone for him/everyone).
He doesn't need our sympathy. He needs to start seeing he is wrong about this....his not doing anything useful.

Just look. That is all I am asking (and nothing else currently).

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)
Please answer the question, what would a mature person put under those situations, hoping to do good, do differently?

I think this question is very, very important before we discuss anything else further. It underpins everything about how we are evaluating his job performance and it simply cannot be avoided if we want to have a further serious discussion about it.

It's just a grand hypothetical question. I can pose one:

What if...
... there are no evil humans on the planet, not a single one. Every single person you believe might be a sociopath is a Christ-conscious Bodhisattva who is simply playing a role. No evil is going on anywhere in the world. It's all staged, just for you. Every image you see of a child in a war torn country, apparently the victim of a drone bombing attack, is an actor, and all of the images are Photoshopped. Like the Jim Carrey movie, The Truman Show, except that all of this is done for your lessons, your call to compassion, stretching your ability to love.

What good does it do to pretend that someone who has repeatedly committed acts of depraved indifference and atrocity, and can look into the camera without blinking, without sadness in his eyes, and can glibly go on to the next subject in a slick segue - is a good guy? Sorry my friend, these are the actions and non-reactions of a sociopath/psychopath. You can't let him off the hook with a gilded "what if." No get out of jail free card for Obama.

Are the Bushes and Clintons really good guys too, that were simply trapped by threats to their families?

I have heard Obama described as a master hypnotist, and I can only think that those who cling to Obama being not only a good guy, but a lightworker must be under a hypnotic spell.

Dennis

[CdnSirian]

Boy you took a leap with this thread. It addresses the questions:

--do any presidents have power to change the direction previous administrations have taken? Ever?
-- was he surprised/confused/overwhelmed with the agenda he could/could not change?

Does it matter who is president?

I realize that your site The Reset Button addresses all of this. I hope more will read it.

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)
Please answer the question, what would a mature person put under those situations, hoping to do good, do differently?

I think this question is very, very important before we discuss anything else further. It underpins everything about how we are evaluating his job performance and it simply cannot be avoided if we want to have a further serious discussion about it.

It's just a grand hypothetical question. I can pose one:

What if...
... there are no evil humans on the planet, not a single one. Every single person you believe might be a sociopath is a Christ-conscious Bodhisattva who is simply playing a role. No evil is going on anywhere in the world. It's all staged, just for you. Every image you see of a child in a war torn country, apparently the victim of a drone bombing attack, is an actor, and all of the images are Photoshopped. Like the Jim Carrey movie, The Truman Show, except that all of this is done for your lessons, your call to compassion, stretching your ability to love.

What good does it do to pretend that someone who has repeatedly committed acts of depraved indifference and atrocity, and can look into the camera without blinking, without sadness in his eyes, and can glibly go on to the next subject in a slick segue - is a good guy? Sorry my friend, these are the actions and non-reactions of a sociopath/psychopath. You can't let him off the hook with a gilded "what if." No get out of jail free card for Obama.

Are the Bushes and Clintons really good guys too, that were simply trapped by threats to their families?

I have heard Obama described as a master hypnotist, and I can only think that those who cling to Obama being not only a good guy, but a lightworker must be under a hypnotic spell.

Dennis

In that case I'd say it's failing horribly because at the end of the day I will have to blame someone, and it'll either be between hating others for what they've done or hating myself for not personally stopping it all. In which case most likely the final decision would be the latter.

So you can't ever imagine a situation where you are forced to decide who lives and who dies? Not if they die? Sophie's choice anyone? Sometimes reality does face us down with some pretty horrible situations where we're between a rock and a hard place.

I'll be as critical as the next person of a lot of things Obama could have done, especially regarding his handling of the banks and capitulating over the deficit; sometimes though I think people are just getting pissed off at their own feeling of impotence (hell I know I do) and projecting way too much onto him. I'm appalled at the CIA'S illegal Drone program but more than just venting still more blind rage yet again at the state of the country I'd also like to put the moment to good use by considering new arguments and possibilities to ensure I'm not personally erring in my own understanding of the situation. By playing Devil's advocate you can learn something once in a while.

Rather than get into another curse fest where we all jump up and down calling our elected officials various names I thought it'd be much more interesting to evaluate the possibility of "what if" that were true. If we could come up with a reasonable hypothetical about what we would expect someone who actually DID fit the bill as an insider in the government working to break the shadow government wide open we could then do an ACTUAL comparison to Obama and see if he passed muster. You know, kind of actually trying to figure something out to put a discussion more firmly to rest rather than continue the circular firing squad. But no, please go on ahead without me; I can see you have things all taken care of.

[Dennis Leahy]

TVM, Why not say the same for Dick Cheney? He's just not ready to spring the trap ... yet.

How long do you give Obama? a full 4-yerr term? A full 8-years? At what point, when he does not assist in the Big Takedown will you understand he was only fooling you/us?

If he is doing something against his will, he is BY FAR the greatest actor of all time.

Dennis