Here and Now...What's Happening?

[ulli]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
The main insight is that when one wants to apply the PC lever to always remember that it exists for the benefit of a larger collective.
In other words, it exists to bring people from different backgrounds onto the same page. That page is called Equality.
Taken over the top it quickly looks like an attempt at putting people into uniforms.
And usually that uniform is determined by the lowest common denominator,
just to make sure that the most sensitive, or the weakest,
or the least evolved person in any given group can feel secure as being a part of a greater whole.
Fair enough...not much wrong with that picture.
The problem starts when people jump on bandwagons and become the upholders of PC.
Anyone here have any thoughts about this?

I'm feeling literal these days, Ulli. If there's a perception that I've overstepped boundaries please let me know. Or anyone else for that matter. I'd prefer it in a PM. I am aware that I'm posting too often.

I don't do PMs much anyway, and certainly not to yank someone's chain.
My policy here has been clear on that.
Maybe your childhood program is still running and you expect to be reprimanded,
but that isn't going to be happening in the Here and Now.
My belief is that each person's guidance should come from their own inner self,
only that way will we move forward as a healthy society.
Is there anything you feel about PC, whether positive or negative, or anecdotal,
I would be happy to hear your thoughts.

[ViralSpiral]

Posted by ulli (here)
Anyone here have any thoughts about this?

As long as I am still on this 3D bicycle with training wheels, unable to distinguish between illusion, fiction or reality - I will be the PC bearer and receiver.

[ulli]

I should have added to my last post:
The fact that I invited you to share your take on PC ...
that alone should show you that here there are no quantity limits on posts...
unlike some other forums.

Here and Now is about the content of a post; the experience that is shared,
thoughts and feelings which arise, based on reality, always in context of the now.
Also musings, request for help and healing,
and sometimes conversation if it is about getting someone out of depression or illness.
Anyway, I mean to say I'm not really strict about rules here.

[ulli]

Posted by ViralSpiral (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
Anyone here have any thoughts about this?

As long as I am still on this 3D bicycle with training wheels, unable to distinguish between illusion, fiction or reality - I will be the PC bearer and receiver.

I love your ability to communicate with images. But are you really really sure you still haven't figured the difference between reality and illusion?
Not even when you separate direct experience and thought?

[ViralSpiral]

Posted by ulli (here)
But are you really really sure you still haven't figured the difference between reality and illusion?

zat iss ezzackery what I'm saying

Experience may be a reality, but thought?

[Sierra]

Posted by modwiz (here)
Performance went well. A quick picture outside after it.

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Posted by modwiz
Out in muggle-land I get mainly suspicious stares and less than friendly looks. Like Gandalf when he enters the Shire.

LOL!

Modwiz, from your picture, you look like you had a good time! I wish I could have been there.

Yeeks, I get that! I have some clothes I bought that I could wear in the San Francisco Bay Area (salwar kameezes) that I'd be truly chicken to wear in Paradise (a conservative community).

[Sierra]

Posted by ulli (here)
I have not always been a fan of PC (political correctness).
Particularly when some overeager person interrupts me in the flow of conversation with a PC reminder.
Example: once I had told a story about the family dog, and when mentioning his name being Uncas was immediately informed
that an indigenous person could be hurt knowing that someone had called their dog after one of their icons.
Uncas, the dog was my father's hunting companion. My dad was a serious hunter who went by ancient traditions.
He got that dog in 1958 and called him Uncas (Uncas was a German version of an Irish Setter, slightly bigger)
and at the same time gave us kids that famous book The Last Mohican.
So there I was, already in my fifties, and suddenly found myself being treated like a child and subjected to a lecture,
just because someone felt they had to defend the entire
indigenous population of the earth against their perceived German racism.
The reason I'm bringing this up here and now is that I have been thinking all morning
about the plus and minus sides of PC and what it's main purpose could be.
So I came up with several insights.

The main insight is that when one wants to apply the PC lever to always remember that it exists for the benefit of a larger collective.
In other words, it exists to bring people from different backgrounds onto the same page. That page is called Equality.
Taken over the top it quickly looks like an attempt at putting people into uniforms.
And usually that uniform is determined by the lowest common denominator,
just to make sure that the most sensitive, or the weakest,
or the least evolved person in any given group can feel secure as being a part of a greater whole.
Fair enough...not much wrong with that picture.
The problem starts when people jump on bandwagons and become the upholders of PC.
Anyone here have any thoughts about this?

Minus side: Herd mentality, ego satisfaction, control freakism, only what I believe and see is valid ...
Plus side: ???

[ulli]

Posted by Sierra (here)
Minus side: Herd mentality, ego satisfaction, control freakism, only what I believe and see is valid ...
Plus side: ???

Surely you could come up with some positives?
How about the restraining element?
Bigots and bullies have to become aware of the consequences of their behavior, for instance.

Fact is that PC itself has become not too PC.
Which is a sign that it has been misused.

I guess what really triggered me today was that Passiglight has left the forum. So then I thought of how both sides,
he and also those who objected to his posts, had not managed to keep a balanced PC in place,
one that kept conversation flowing towards a point where agreements were possible.
I saw the impatience with someone who might have been close to getting it.
And I also thought that this thread has helped a lot of people who were way out there in non-reality to find an anchor
(Yes, Anchor, you can take your arm down now) something that brought them in touch with what was relevant to themselves at a given moment.
Because when that connection isn't there then all those mental space and time journeys lead nowhere.

[Carmody]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Minus side: Herd mentality, ego satisfaction, control freakism, only what I believe and see is valid ...
Plus side: ???

Not quite on the topic of the idea of PC, just the question/statement taken at face value, and the thoughts it generated;

by the time I was 13 and had pondered that for about a year, I simply could not find a plus, of any kind. So I threw my potential futures away, by actively moving into tearing down my extreme potentials. Which were stockbroker type, millionaire, astronaut, physicist, etc. I tore them down, re tearing down their emergent paths. clean slate, I said. Make a huge mess, then see what comes of it.

By the time I was 18, not one shred of the original paths remained, and at that point I went clear, mentally speaking, with regard to contact with the higher self and psychic centers. All illusory expectations had be been shattered, thus I had nothing to loose and everything to gain by opening myself up. Nothing to cling to, it was all gone.

I threw myself in the river of chance, as I drew the veil down once again....with a plan to once again integrate and awaken at the appropriate time.. but meanwhile.....let the current take me to...wherever.

I finally awoke again, in a totally different place, at the age of 36 (two lunar cycles, age 18.5, and age 37, and 37 was my pluto square). It was a bit bizarre to awaken and be direct with the higher self.... and to realize that I had literally played an illusory game with myself -the body vs the higher self, no longer....finally integrated. Which is a long and painful process.

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[ulli]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
The main insight is that when one wants to apply the PC lever to always remember that it exists for the benefit of a larger collective.
In other words, it exists to bring people from different backgrounds onto the same page. That page is called Equality.
Taken over the top it quickly looks like an attempt at putting people into uniforms.
And usually that uniform is determined by the lowest common denominator,
just to make sure that the most sensitive, or the weakest,
or the least evolved person in any given group can feel secure as being a part of a greater whole.
Fair enough...not much wrong with that picture.
The problem starts when people jump on bandwagons and become the upholders of PC.
Anyone here have any thoughts about this?

I'm feeling literal these days, Ulli. If there's a perception that I've overstepped boundaries please let me know. Or anyone else for that matter. I'd prefer it in a PM.

Still baffled by this response of yours, yet I'm reminded by my own PC meter,
(which was helped only after I learnt astrology),
that there are people out there who feel themselves addressed, even when one is talking in general terms.
All the Cancerians I have ever known have taken offense where none was intended, being sensitive.
Not for nothing do astrologers refer to them as the "peeled grapes".

I'm feeling so bad now, especially since it looks like you got scared off by my various replies.
Saying that famous Schwarzenegger line: "It's nothing personal" in my mind.
But this might only make matters worse,
as most Cancerians want a world which is intensely personal.

[Sierra]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)
Minus side: Herd mentality, ego satisfaction, control freakism, only what I believe and see is valid ...
Plus side: ???

Surely you could come up with some positives?
How about the restraining element?
Bigots and bullies have to become aware of the consequences of their behavior, for instance.

Fact is that PC itself has become not too PC.
Which is a sign that it has been misused.

I guess what really triggered me today was that Passiglight has left the forum. So then I thought of how both sides,
he and also those who objected to his posts, had not managed to keep a balanced PC in place,
one that kept conversation flowing towards a point where agreements were possible.
I saw the impatience with someone who might have been close to getting it.
And I also thought that this thread has helped a lot of people who were way out there in non-reality to find an anchor
(Yes, Anchor, you can take your arm down now) something that brought them in touch with what was relevant to themselves at a given moment.
Because when that connection isn't there then all those mental space and time journeys lead nowhere.

Yes, another one bit the dust over there ... a bit annoying losing members to ... bu bu ... bu ...

But the PC doesn't really prevent bullying of minorities, does it? It is epidemic now even in elementary schools. Don't even have to BE a minority, just a little "different" ...

[Carmody]

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post508429

[Sierra]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
The main insight is that when one wants to apply the PC lever to always remember that it exists for the benefit of a larger collective.
In other words, it exists to bring people from different backgrounds onto the same page. That page is called Equality.
Taken over the top it quickly looks like an attempt at putting people into uniforms.
And usually that uniform is determined by the lowest common denominator,
just to make sure that the most sensitive, or the weakest,
or the least evolved person in any given group can feel secure as being a part of a greater whole.
Fair enough...not much wrong with that picture.
The problem starts when people jump on bandwagons and become the upholders of PC.
Anyone here have any thoughts about this?

I'm feeling literal these days, Ulli. If there's a perception that I've overstepped boundaries please let me know. Or anyone else for that matter. I'd prefer it in a PM.

I know the feeling WCBD ... but it is not a true perception. But I know the feeling, and it causes me to post a lot less than I would like to. I require a great deal of bravery to go blat on here, especially when I am being dark.

But I always pray for every request, intend the best, and trust people know I love them dearly even when I don't say anything (sigh) (Happy birthday Bob, Happy birthday Marianne) (Ooh Marianne! Today is the day the house my sister wants is open for viewing! The bathroom damage that was delaying the viewing for potential renters has been fixed, and HOPEFULLY the two people above my sister on the list will have given up and found other houses ... Fire up your Reiki Grid!!!)

Oh Alexis, five months of this pain? Herniated disk? What happened five months ago? Ernie, are you aware of anything happening that might have damaged her back?

Sierra

[Carmody]

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everyone forever

(our book and the authors)

[PurpleLama]

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
THe man in the purple shirt, his shoes are purple, too.

The man in the purple shirt, his shoes are purple, too.
He loves that color purple, nothing blue or green will do.

I wonder if he knows about that famous purple Moo?
A lot of folks know of it; maybe you've heard of it too.

Has he ever seen the Purple Cow?
Would he ever hope to see one?

Well I can bet you one thing --
he'd rather see than be one!

You are so freakin' awesome, Bob.

[Samsara]

Posted by ulli (here)
All the Cancerians I have ever known have taken offense where none was intended, being sensitive.
Not for nothing do astrologers refer to them as the "peeled grapes".

Being a Cancerian, this made me laugh (at myself). I must say that with time, I am getting better at not taking things so personal. Maybe my Leo ascendant kicking in ?

Anyway, made me think of this song

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bfJ_c2tyfQ0

[benevolentcrow]

The Sacred Purple Cow of Political Correctness

(Just some fun folks, in no way demeaning to anyone! )

[ulli]

Posted by Samsara (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
All the Cancerians I have ever known have taken offense where none was intended, being sensitive.
Not for nothing do astrologers refer to them as the "peeled grapes".

Being a Cancerian, this made me laugh (at myself). I must say that with time, I am getting better at not taking things so personal. Maybe my Leo ascendant kicking in ?

Anyway, made me think of this song

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bfJ_c2tyfQ0

Haha, such a perfect Cancerian song.
Every line.
Cancer is the Mother. (But also the baby)
Cancer loves to spoon feed. (But also loves to be spoon fed).
Cancer rules the breast (as in feeding)
but also the stomach, (as in receiving food)

Cancerians are emotional, personal, intimate, caring...
all necessary attributes to make newcomers to the planet feel warm and cozy and welcome.
Then suffers the pains of loss as those babies grow up, become parents and even grandparents.
Their role ends there. They are close to the earth, from which life originates...
the distant stars and the future are the scary destiny.
Better stay home and look at old photographs and enjoy the memories, and have a hearty laugh at things long past.
They bake great cookies...

[ulli]

Meanwhile the old Goat Capricorn the Patri-arch(on) concerns himself with future, with where are we ALL headed
strategic planner, and family protector.
The is me.
So back to my old plan: what happened to it?
We've got work to do: