A Different Happening - now and then?

[another bob]

[Mod-edit: This thread began its life as a series of posts on the thread Here and Now...What's Happening? , but was sufficiently unsuitable in tone for that thread that I made it into its own separate thread. -- Paul.]

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Posted by PurpleLama (here)
I was really just wondering who else may have read this thread from start to finish

I'm in it for the tunes!

Actually, I started reading it a few months ago, and liked what I found, so decided to chip in. It's really a quite remarkable group assembled here! I've participated in various alt forums for a decade and a half now. What one typically finds are similar patterns emerging, regardless of topic. The latest issue with Songs and the pubsters is like a deja vu in that respect -- a charismatic personality with a few word hooks comes along, a clique is formed, a club house, and then the old us vs them theme that Fred pointed out. After you've seen this a few times, it gets rather wearying, which is why this Village is such a relief -- to find caring people without chips on their shoulders who can intelligently explore a variety of pertinent topics without rancor, and relate their everyday experience in a compassionate and vulnerable manner, with lots of support and humor. Pretty rare, but much appreciated!

Blessings to all!

[songsfortheotherkind]

It neither surprises me that you elect to have a go at me in a thread I'm not usually in, nor that so many thank you for the post.

If you want to dig at me, do it face to face, bob. Everything is hiding behind skirts. Do I go around other threads discussing you? Do I follow you into *your own* threads to pour my own particular perspective over you despite your having asked me not to? No.Yet here you are, having a go at me yet again somewhere else, because your tactics were called out in the Pub- and not just by me. Your suggestion that those who also called you out are nothing but a clique is also insulting, but that too is ok in this environment.

*shrugs* I must really be a prickle in your underpants to inspire the constant banging on. Oddly enough, you can't answer me intelligently and in autonomy language, so you choose to go elsewhere and be squidgy about it. That's unsurprising.

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
I was really just wondering who else may have read this thread from start to finish

I'm in it for the tunes!

Actually, I started reading it a few months ago, and liked what I found, so decided to chip in. It's really a quite remarkable group assembled here! I've participated in various alt forums for a decade and a half now. What one typically finds are similar patterns emerging, regardless of topic. The latest issue with Songs and the pubsters is like a deja vu in that respect -- a charismatic personality with a few word hooks comes along, a clique is formed, a club house, and then the old us vs them theme that Fred pointed out. After you've seen this a few times, it gets rather wearying, which is why this Village is such a relief -- to find caring people without chips on their shoulders who can intelligently explore a variety of pertinent topics without rancor, and relate their everyday experience in a compassionate and vulnerable manner, with lots of support and humor. Pretty rare, but much appreciated!

Blessings to all!

[ulli]

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)
It neither surprises me that you elect to have a go at me in a thread I'm not usually in, nor that so many thank you for the post.

If you want to dig at me, do it face to face, bob. Everything is hiding behind skirts. Do I go around other threads discussing you? Do I follow you into *your own* threads to pour my own particular perspective over you despite your having asked me not to? No.Yet here you are, having a go at me yet again somewhere else, because your tactics were called out in the Pub- and not just by me. Your suggestion that those who also called you out are nothing but a clique is also insulting, but that too is ok in this environment.

*shrugs* I must really be a prickle in your underpants to inspire the constant banging on. Oddly enough, you can't answer me intelligently and in autonomy language, so you choose to go elsewhere and be squidgy about it. That's unsurprising.

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
I was really just wondering who else may have read this thread from start to finish

I'm in it for the tunes!

Actually, I started reading it a few months ago, and liked what I found, so decided to chip in. It's really a quite remarkable group assembled here! I've participated in various alt forums for a decade and a half now. What one typically finds are similar patterns emerging, regardless of topic. The latest issue with Songs and the pubsters is like a deja vu in that respect -- a charismatic personality with a few word hooks comes along, a clique is formed, a club house, and then the old us vs them theme that Fred pointed out. After you've seen this a few times, it gets rather wearying, which is why this Village is such a relief -- to find caring people without chips on their shoulders who can intelligently explore a variety of pertinent topics without rancor, and relate their everyday experience in a compassionate and vulnerable manner, with lots of support and humor. Pretty rare, but much appreciated!

Blessings to all!

You could have sent him a PM. How about copy/pasting your post now and taking it out of here?
If the pub was a predator-free environment please be informed that the same rules apply to this thread.

[Anchor]

Oh my, what do we have here! A thread equivalent of a collective ego manifesting? Thread wars?

Why should anyone be able to make snarky comments about others, with support given to them for so doing and then expect that to go uncontested as if nothing had happened?

This is probably throwing fuel on a fire, the moment this flared up it affected more than bob and songs; for one thing it affected me - there I said it.

That's me on my self authority speaking - and not just because I like songs and her art and craft, but because I like all of you and yours too.

This bubbled up into a collective presence HERE and now needs to be dealt with AND I suspect that you all have a pretty good idea what needs to be done about it.

So spank me for speaking up if you have too - I don't care. I don't want to make this any worse, just get it over and done with.

I've forgotten this happened already - apologies not required.

Acceptance?

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[post move update: please note this post was written before Paul moved it. Its meaning is changed by being in this thread but I am not altering it. I am glad the posts were moved out of the Here and Now thread]

[RunningDeer]

Thank you, Anchor. I was tied up on another thread, but I knew I couldn't just leave things undone. What I want to say is that I care for both Songs and Bob. In their own ways they have been there for me in times that were important. I wasn't aware there was a second squabble, until too late. I knew of the one in the end of May.

So now, my plan is no plan. Only a wish for a speedy recovery.

Posted by Anchor (here)
Oh my, what do we have here! A thread equivalent of a collective ego manifesting? Thread wars?

Why should anyone be able to make snarky comments about others, with support given to them for so doing and then expect that to go uncontested as if nothing had happened?

This is probably throwing fuel on a fire, the moment this flared up it affected more than bob and songs; for one thing it affected me - there I said it.

That's me on my self authority speaking - and not just because I like songs and her art and craft, but because I like all of you and yours too.

This bubbled up into a collective presence HERE and now needs to be dealt with AND I suspect that you all have a pretty good idea what needs to be done about it.

So spank me for speaking up if you have too - I don't care. I don't want to make this any worse, just get it over and done with.

I've forgotten this happened already - apologies not required.

Acceptance?

[Carmody]

Anchor:

The problem comes when very subtle aspects of circularity are paraded as clarity. And others gather around that, and reflect it back. This leads to an associated subtle undercurrent of us vs them, which is the point that is so sorely missed, but ultra critical, in the final analysis. All of that, is a pattern of signposts along the way, along the road to the more further reaches in this thing we call incarnation -and all it's twists and turns. Bob recognizes that, and so do I. So I hung an 'alternative take' shingle out, in that other thread.

In return I received a rather large and involved response, somewhat in the form that one might expect to receive from a lawyer who was making a rather meaningless response that went nowhere, but in a circle.

I said, well, there's apparently no breaching that gap, at this time, so I let it go. I tried to contribute in the spirit of the thread, and then was slapped again, with some allusion to this one using logic, as some sort of wrong aspect of clearing the self.

That stunk so badly as responses to my input could go.... that I called it what I considered it was. Prattle. And parade. And then, I left it alone.

Now, another circular logic thread has emerged, I see the same pattern emerging.

I'm staying away from that one as well.

All I know is that we need all the awareness out there that we can get.

And as in the DW bashing thread, I'm not sure that anyone who is in any part of this stage or grand game, is ultimately a negative.

Another point is that attempts at being the steering committee do indeed generate karma. It's a fine line between helping.... or generating karma - when ensconced in the flesh.

Another is that life, existence, in all dimensions is, well... expressed in differential. Whether it be value between dimensionally related quanta or quanta within a single dimension itself. Time expressed as quantum differential, is not unique; a secondary layer is formed between dimensions. This differential is passage for data, information, or....organized intelligence. (sorry, a sidetrack. I thought I'd write it while it came to form in mind)

Back to the point, which is ultimately, I don't see anyone in a bad light, or way. And I don't like these kinds of posts, so I try never be in position to make them.

[Eram]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
Thank you, Anchor. I was tied up on another thread, but I knew I couldn't just leave things undone. What I want to say is that I care for both Songs and Bob. In their own ways they have been there for me in times that were important. I wasn't aware there was a second squabble, until too late. I knew of the one in the end of May.

So now, my plan is no plan. Only a wish for a speedy recovery.

Posted by Anchor (here)
Oh my, what do we have here! A thread equivalent of a collective ego manifesting? Thread wars?

Why should anyone be able to make snarky comments about others, with support given to them for so doing and then expect that to go uncontested as if nothing had happened?

This is probably throwing fuel on a fire, the moment this flared up it affected more than bob and songs; for one thing it affected me - there I said it.

That's me on my self authority speaking - and not just because I like songs and her art and craft, but because I like all of you and yours too.

This bubbled up into a collective presence HERE and now needs to be dealt with AND I suspect that you all have a pretty good idea what needs to be done about it.

So spank me for speaking up if you have too - I don't care. I don't want to make this any worse, just get it over and done with.

I've forgotten this happened already - apologies not required.

Acceptance?

I'm afraid this is not about a squabble between two persons, as it is made out to be now.
This is about something else.

Carmody explained this to some extend, but I feel that there is more to be said about this.

It has to do with energy flow and the remaining of autonomy of people, and I'm not talking about the autonomy-heteronomy discussion.
I'm talking about the simple autonomy of a person.

In the interaction on the threads where the discussion is about, I feel that the autonomy of certain people is at stake to some extend and that energy flows are not back and forth.

I have a close family member who is a narcissist, and I know where I am speaking about in this case. In many cases I don't, but in this case I do.

Sorry that I add to this discussion in this thread and bring dis harmonic energy here, but I don't know a way of adding something useful to it in the other thread yet.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Carmody (here)
Anchor:

The problem comes when very subtle aspects of circularity are paraded as clarity. And others gather around that, and reflect it back. This leads to an associated subtle undercurrent of us vs them, which is the point that is so sorely missed, but ultra critical, in the final analysis. All of that, is a pattern of signposts along the way, along the road to the more further reaches in this thing we call incarnation -and all it's twists and turns. Bob recognizes that, and so do I. So I hung an 'alternative take' shingle out, in that other thread.

In return I received a rather large and involved response, somewhat in the form that one might expect to receive from a lawyer who was making a rather meaningless response that went nowhere, but in a circle.

Want to bring this to me personally? Because the Pub thread is there for all to see, as to what was actually said at the time. You are making an entirely subjective response and stating it as a fact, which it's not- it's simply subjective, which is different and perfectly fine. I get that my writing style is not everyone's cup of tea- I've also learned that there are those on this forum who, while making out they can engage in complex discussions, actually can't and thus resort to personal attack and lofty but meaningless waffling disguised as higher wisdom when they can't understand entirely what I'm saying and assume they know my intention and meaning rather than ask.

If you have an issue with my thought processes and way of communication, that's perfectly fine, I get that, I have no illusions regarding everyone being everyone else's cup of tea. When this moves into judgement and innuendo regarding me as a Being, or casting aspersions on my motives and the sincerity with which I bring things to the forum, that's a different matter and has devolved into a personality issue. There's no evolution in that.

I said, well, there's apparently no breaching that gap, at this time, so I let it go. I tried to contribute in the spirit of the thread, and then was slapped again, with some allusion to this one using logic, as some sort of wrong aspect of clearing the self.

That is a straight up judgement and suggestion of abuse being disguised as something else. Do you wish to back that up? Because that is a serious suggestion in my world, given my own experience and history. As I said, the dialogue is there in the thread, although I personally haven't been keeping an eye on if and how much editing has been going on behind the scenes, because I don't care about that. If you wish to suggest that you were treated unfairly, bring it to the Pub or into conversation: nothing was cleared at the time, you just did what you did and left. Apparently though, it's not cleared, because here you are at the first clear opportunity and airing your grievances in a thread I don't normally come into.

This is enlightened behaviour? As is the tolerance of such? Interesting.

That stunk so badly as responses to my input could go.... that I called it what I considered it was. Prattle. And parade. And then, I left it alone.

That would have been interesting, had it happened that way. As it was, a few people called you on certain dodgy behaviour, asked if you wanted to do things differently and you didn't like it, so you left, which is entirely your prerogative and nobody thought anything of it: horses for courses. Prattle and parade indeed.

I'm staying away from that one as well.

Excellent. Natural selection at work in every direction.

One of the way abusive individuals stopped showing up in my life was that I learned to call the abuse exactly what it was- abuse. Not what the *abusers* were calling it. This is the information that was put into the Pub and that culminated in those leaving who did. For those interested, here http://www.geftakysassembly.com/Arti...rbalAbuse1.htm is an interesting article that links to the elements of verbal and emotional abuse that came up in that discussion, elements of which were considered relevant. The article also goes into some interesting aspects of how abusive behaviours can be entrenched and supported with a framework of religious or spiritual expression. It's not everyone's cup of tea, I know, and I offer it as a counterpoint to the current maligning that is being pointed in my direction, because regardless of the current suggestions, I actually value integrity and clarity in communications.

I've also learned to call out those who would suggest otherwise, as an example to my own daughters: my 14 year old is learning to calmly look anyone in the eye who is trying to trivialise her experience, or dismiss her with any of the other tactics described in the article, call the behaviour as she sees it, expresses her desire to not have that pointed at her and asks clearly if this is how they are intending to continue treating her. I am very big on calling something what it really is, in order to prevent continuation of behaviours that have no place in an evolved and intelligent society.

So here I am, standing in the open, carrying nothing but my own integrity and autonomy. You want to discuss things in the open, with a view to raising the vibration of the entire forum, then I am up for that. If you are sincere in 'we're just not each other's cup of tea, peace be with you' as we move out of each other's sphere, this is also perfect, because even this sincerely practiced on the planet will radically alter society. You and bob want to keep taking swipes at me in other threads, I'm going to keep calling the abusive behaviour exactly what it is because I'm not afraid of the low vibration purpose and intention behind abuse.

You also might consider moving this out of the Here and Now thread; personally, I never intended to engage either of you again after what you were both called on in the Pub, but it seems neither of you can deal with me in integrity and you've underestimated my personal integrity if you think I'm going to just let you both malign me in other threads. If you want to call a halt and just let the differences be what they are- I haven't gone into other places to make pointed posts about either of you and didn't mention bob until he really started getting pointed in the new thread- then I have demonstrated a willingness to simply move in other circles. I've mostly stayed out of this thread out of the understanding that it was a familiar ground for the two of you: I do understand the concepts of autonomy and sui generis *and* I actually live them to the best of my ability because I truly am interested in an EVOLUTION, not a recycling of old rubbish and systems.

I'm clear on who I Am.

[Mark]

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by ViralSpiral (here)

Some are enduring a harder battle than others. The cycle remains- while we refuse as a society, as a collective, to call something what it is, *in ourselves* as well as without, then it remains. I have had to really look honestly at the elements of abuse within me- I was raised by a woman whose behaviour resulted in my looking much worse than this at times- and I have continue to bring out in the sunshine the things that the virus would use to twist and shame me. I live my code. I *personally* do not see an end to the virus unless its symptoms are no longer acceptable, no matter how challenging that is to us as individuals. The cycle will not be broken by pretending there isn't one. This is my view. It may not be the view of anyone else and I am happy to keep my perspective to threads I start my Self. Being kind, loving and understanding to my mother resulted in my having lifelong injuries and being on life support several times.

There are some things that need more than kindness.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
Hi Songsfortheotherkind. We don't know each other and you may have a valid reason for posting here with such impressive vigor, but what you've done is akin to walking by a house with an open window, hearing someone speaking about you and then bursting through the door to confront them.

Hmm. So if someone is in a general area and is bagging out another individual publicly this is acceptable, but my coming in and declaring my Self to the individuals concerned is not? Interesting. So in your view, how would I have more properly approached this? Given that the bagging was public and unremarked. Like domestic abuse committed behind closed doors- have I erred in speaking about the hidden thing in public?

You may have cause to do so, but you've trod rough-shod over social convention.

Social convention allows the rapists to go free, the child abusers to keep their high paying jobs, the corporate leaders to order the massacre of the West Papuan peoples in the name of gas pipes, and the poisoning of the land, air and water in the name of economic progress and corporate rule. Hmm. I'm not really big on social convention when it's used as a tool for social manipulation and hiding corruption.

I've only read a bit of your threads but I do find your presentation interesting. As I've watched the edits you've made to your above post in the past half hour, I've seen you become a bit more aware of the above, although, from what I understand of your weltanshau, your autonomous rights trump the heteronomy, which I expect all community must conform to, in your view.

Given that you have limited experience with my concepts, you're making a great deal of supposition there. All community is free to do what it wants, which is what I've said in the responses to both bob and carmody; I am free to respond to a situation that is carrying over from another environment. I've also indicated I felt this better taken out of the here and now if they wish to continue it, for obvious reasons. Yes, I do edit my posts, this is true. I do try to get accurate with what I am intending. I generally add to it rather than remove.

I expect that means that you feel it is alright to enter what many consider to be a safe-zone, no-conflict zone, with your claims of abuse.

Ah. So it's safe from any *response* to abuse, but the action of posting abusively is acceptable? I see. As for claims, if you knew the history, you would understand the context. You don't, therefore you feel you can make such definitions as 'claims'. *shrugs* This happens.

As one who has brought conflict into the village previously, I certainly understand where you are at now and hope that your energy expenditure has satisfied your sense of victimization.

Ah, now the condescending suggestions of 'sense of victimisation'. I have no sense of victimisation at all, which you would know if you actually knew me. I don't use the word victim, nor do I have an interest in the approach. You apparently have decided that you have an accurate bead on both me as a Being and on my internal processes. Curious and yet unsurprising: anyone supportive of social convention as it currently stands frequently does use those perspectives- of thinking that they have a bead on a situation and know what's 'really' going on- to attempt to shame other individuals into more acceptable behaviour.

Both Carmody and Bob are very protective of this space so I'm sure they will do what is necessary to make sure this conversation does not continue here.

I'm quite sure of this too. For my own part, I am quite sincere in keeping out of this thread, as I get it's horses for courses. If the general tone here is that it is acceptable to malign others publicly but not for those maligned to stand up for themselves, this is not the droid I seek anyway.

Hope the rest of your day goes better. Although I am also sure you are fine and this is not emotional at all, just you setting the record straight.

I have actually been having an awesome day, thanks, and yes I am very peaceful and clear. It's all good.

[ulli]

@ Songsie
Its 3 am and the commotion in the Village woke me up.
And I find one of your tl;dr posts, and immediately thought "oh no!!!"
but after some inner debate whether to engage or ignore you I came to the conclusion to engage even though it is clear to me that as far as personalities goes you are high maintenance and a lot of other people will end up in the waiting room while I deal with you. I even hate that expression to "deal" with someone but in your case it is the closest that describes interaction
with someone I don't want to get sucked in by. Because to be honest that is what I fear here. Total engulfment.
Here is my history with you... I was hoping this would never have to come up as it was a case closed situation, but when you first opened the Pub I was quite happy to drop by even though I'm not really into pubs, being more of a street cafe person.

And just at that moment I saw a post by someone who had once abused me via PM and who has since then been banned from the village by the mods. So that's the real reason I stayed away. I saw after a while that it was for the best as I observed you and saw someone who is operating a show business. Nothing wrong with that, in fact I honor people who have artistic talent, and wish them success and all, but being audience or fan is not on my agenda as I am into community development now.
I hardly watch movies these days. Nor do I want to go into explaining why that is so. After all, I am an autonomous being too.

Then one day I read the posts that Carmody, Borden and yourself had exchanged. I was horrified at how badly you had misread Carmody, and noted Borden's nasty attack against him. I also saw your bitchy comment after Carmody left, re "logic".
Maybe you are only aware of other's judgement of you and feel the right to reject them outright simply for being perceptive of your own flawed behavior, yet you do not grant equality back. Your posts are packed with judgemental comments and anger and pet peeves. I see no fair play in you at all.

A community has come together here in the Village where people respect each other, even though they may see each others flaws here and there these are overlooked to keep the flow oing, and nobody posts massive defensive posts because of perceived slights.

One more thing, if you want to be in show business be prepared that there might be the odd critic in the audience.
I'm mad at you because of what you did not only to Carmody and another bob, pinning unfair labels on them, but also your entire luring schtick which means you can reel people in close enough to where you can then chew them over before spitting them out again.
While I undestand that life may have scarred you which left deep anger issues that you have chosen not to address, I feel you have no right to go around calling others abuser after just one meeting. It smacks of projection.

So as a thread owner I must ask you to leave before you scar others with your overreactive and drama-loving behavior.

[Mark]

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)
I have actually been having an awesome day, thanks, and yes I am very peaceful and clear. It's all good.

Well then, your life is perfect. Celebrate it! Thanks for the analysis, you have an interesting way of seeing things. Now let's go eat some fish. LOL

[songsfortheotherkind]

ulli, I'd already indicated a willingness to leave. I have no issues with that. I respect your wishes.

Posted by ulli (here)
@ Songsie
Its 3 am and the commotion in the Village woke me up.
And I find one of your tl;dr posts, and immediately thought "oh no!!!"
but after some inner debate whether to engage or ignore you I came to the conclusion to engage even though it is clear to me that as far as personalities goes you are high maintenance and a lot of other people will end up in the waiting room while I deal with you. I even hate that expression to "deal" with someone but in your case it is the closest that describes interaction
with someone I don't want to get sucked in by. Because to be honest that is what I fear here. Total engulfment.
Here is my history with you... I was hoping this would never have to come up as it was a case closed situation, but when you first opened the Pub I was quite happy to drop by even though I'm not really into pubs, being more of a street cafe person.

And just at that moment I saw a post by someone who had once abused me via PM and who has since then been banned from the village by the mods. So that's the real reason I stayed away. I saw after a while that it was for the best as I observed you and saw someone who is operating a show business. Nothing wrong with that, in fact I honor people who have artistic talent, and wish them success and all, but being audience or fan is not on my agenda as I am into community development now.
I hardly watch movies these days. Nor do I want to go into explaining why that is so. After all, I am an autonomous being too.

Then one day I read the posts that Carmody, Borden and yourself had exchanged. I was horrified at how badly you had misread Carmody, and noted Borden's nasty attack against him. I also saw your bitchy comment after Carmody left, re "logic".
Maybe you are only aware of other's judgement of you and feel the right to reject them outright simply for being perceptive of your own flawed behavior, yet you do not grant equality back. Your posts are packed with judgemental comments and anger and pet peeves. I see no fair play in you at all.

A community has come together here in the Village where people respect each other, even though they may see each others flaws here and there these are overlooked to keep the flow oing, and nobody posts massive defensive posts because of perceived slights.

One more thing, if you want to be in show business be prepared that there might be the odd critic in the audience.
I'm mad at you because of what you did not only to Carmody and another bob, pinning unfair labels on them, but also your entire luring stick which means you can reel people in close enough where you can them chew them over before spitting them out again. While I undestand that life may have scarred you which left deep anger issues that you have chosen not to address, I feel you have no right to go around calling others abuser on just one meeting. It smacks of projection.
So as a thread owner I must ask you to leave before you scar others with your overreactive and drama loving behavior.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)
I have actually been having an awesome day, thanks, and yes I am very peaceful and clear. It's all good.

Well then, your life is perfect. Celebrate it! Thanks for the analysis, you have an interesting way of seeing things. Now let's go eat some fish. LOL

*grins at you* We can have it with our tea and sit here in Wonko the Sane's lovely waiting room.

[markpierre]

Problem 1. The idea that something outside of you can offend you.

Problem 2. The idea that you can correct it by changing what's outside of you (see problem 1.).

What's outside you IS you.

[ulli]

Oh dear,
here comes markpierre
preaching to the choir.
What else is new?
Let's have a few
Drinks on the house
Rum, wine and beer.

[Sebastion]

It sure would have been nice if you could have kept Song's (cough) "art" in a single thread...

Posted by another bob (here)
[Mod-edit: This thread began its life as a series of posts on the thread Here and Now...What's Happening? , but was sufficiently unsuitable in tone for that thread that I made it into its own separate thread. -- Paul.]

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Posted by PurpleLama (here)
I was really just wondering who else may have read this thread from start to finish

I'm in it for the tunes!

Actually, I started reading it a few months ago, and liked what I found, so decided to chip in. It's really a quite remarkable group assembled here! I've participated in various alt forums for a decade and a half now. What one typically finds are similar patterns emerging, regardless of topic. The latest issue with Songs and the pubsters is like a deja vu in that respect -- a charismatic personality with a few word hooks comes along, a clique is formed, a club house, and then the old us vs them theme that Fred pointed out. After you've seen this a few times, it gets rather wearying, which is why this Village is such a relief -- to find caring people without chips on their shoulders who can intelligently explore a variety of pertinent topics without rancor, and relate their everyday experience in a compassionate and vulnerable manner, with lots of support and humor. Pretty rare, but much appreciated!

Blessings to all!

[markpierre]

Posted by ulli (here)
Oh dear,
here comes markpierre
preaching to the choir.
What else is new?
Let's have a few
Drinks on the house
Rum, wine and beer.

I can't drink, but I can party with you.

Was this a private party?

[ulli]

Posted by markpierre (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
Oh dear,
here comes markpierre
preaching to the choir.
What else is new?
Let's have a few
Drinks on the house
Rum, wine and beer.

I can't drink, but I can party with you.

Was this a private party?

Only PurpleLama showed up. Cracked one can of beer and left.
Talking of drinking...apart from the odd glass of wine with dinner I don't drink much either.
Life itself is my wine of astonishment.
Too much wine turns me into a whiner.