Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[RMorgan]

Posted by promezeus (here)

Kudos to you, foreverfan.

NOw that david icke has deposited his poopoo in with the naysayers, does it prove that he is a shape-shifting lizard whose soul should be sent to the central sun for refreshing ?

And does it also lend credence to the theory that him or other reptoid clones are posting often in this thread?

I suspect it does....

All humans with real souls can simply put these shape-shifters on ignore, like I have done and continue to do. It's the only tool we have, and it works quite well, and it makes you feel empowered. If they ever post anything remotely interesting, some human may quote it, in which case you can still see it there.

Power to the people (not reptoid clones)

Yeah...Make sure to check under your bed for reptoid clones before going to sleep!

Don´t feed them after midnight and don´t let them get close to water as well.



They are everywhere!

Raf.

[9eagle9]

AWWWWW we're soo negative. Those people aren't making me feel good, my feel good bone isn't being stroked....yawr sooooooo negative. i don't get the warm fuzzies when I read certain evidential things so you are an evil reptoid mind stealer.

Not everyone is re-assuring me that someone is going to save me, yawr sooooooo negative.

No one is agreeing with me that Jesus is coming back in a ufo .....


Yawr soooooo negative.

How do people function who think the whole world is about what makes them feel good (positive) and what doesn't stroke the feel good bone (negative).

Waitress:Oh sorry you're steak will be a little late, the chef is a little back logged right now.

AWW my gawd I din't want to hear that YAWR so negative.

Grocer: Opps sorry all out of plums today.

OH MY GAWD yawr so negative.


Your fly is unzipped.

Negative!

Jesus isn't coming back in a UFO.

Soooo negative!

Someone isn't going to save you and deposit a metric ton of gold onto your front yard.

Negative, evil, reptoid!

Drake is a male duck.

Yawr soo negative.

Yer not making me feel good, you're all the devil reptoids spawn!!! Your not making me feel good so you must be burying your head in the sand!


Pedophilia makes pedophiles feel good.

Murder and rape make others feel goood.

These are not positive things so one must surmise that feeling good is not what constitutes positive.

When I got divorced that left me penniless, homeless, for years on end that was a positive thing.

When someone slapped me in the face and to quit whining about how I mindlessly was creating my own miserable conditions tand forced me to confront my own inate ability to make my environment for myself, that didn't make me feel good but it was a positive thing.

Are people EVER going to get over the 60's "if it feels good do it" programming?!!!

[LarryC]

<< AWWWWW we're soo negative. >>

Be as negative as you want. It doesn't impact my reality. If spending hours every day focusing on what you don't like and don't believe in makes you happy, go for it

[9eagle9]

This isn't about what I like , I'd like more than anything in the world for this to be true and someone is going to land and clean up all my ****, and release all my cares and hand me a trunk load of cash while swatting the bad guys on the wrist. Who would not like something like that

I'd like that just as much as the next person.

I unfortunately have been around the block a few times and can't really play in that sort of self indulgent prattle.

It's not what I believe, its what I know.

The difference in what would make me feel good and what is reality of the situation.

[gripreaper]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Besides this whole Drake garbage being on the one hand nonsense and distraction and on the other hand, a deeply flawed, human business as usual... each day we focus on it and/or anything like it, we lose another day of opportunity towards transformation of ourselves, because in the end, the only way our planet(s) sun and sector of the universe survives itself is that we transform ourselves.

If we do, we skate through... and do so deservedly. If we don't, the sun will burp and the burp will be aimed in our direction.

the quote above is from Bill Ryan.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...he-Cry-of-Gaia

Wow justoneman, I never knew about the Gaia thread. And to think that was almost exactly one year ago. Kind of reminds me of what Dan Winter says about the grand experiment here on this planet, which is to have the Kundalini rise collectively and push through the speed of light.

It's ironic how sometimes this looks like a do or die proposition.

[RMorgan]

When I warned people about Hoagland and company Elenin fiasco, people told me I was being negative.

When I warned people about Steve Beckow and the neptune spaceship ride fiasco, people told me I was being negative as well.

This mass arrests stuff will soon be in the same bag as the above cited subjects. The fiasco bag.

I guess being called negative in internet forums sounds more like a compliment than an offense, in most cases.

So yes, I´m negative, but only in the sense that I negate believing in BS.

Raf.

[Hervé]

Yeah, right... be all positive and refuse to see any negative anywhere and be sure to repeat after me: "No,no, no, our government would never do this to us, you crazy 9-11 conspiracy theorizing nightmarer!" and also make sure that's not affecting your reality....

[NancyV]

Considering who the other "reptoid clones" are in this thread I feel lucky to be in such good company!

When I read David Icke's comments early this morning I was happy to see that he had the sense to see through the idiocy and call this whole fiasco like it is...nonsensical. David Icke is not always correct either and I don't always agree with his assertions. But I don't make a habit of believing anyone. Just because I like someone and some of their ideas doesn't mean I buy into their words as truth.

Those of you who have bought into the scenario Drake, Wilcock, Fulford, Cobra et al are putting out are totally free to do so. I don't care what you believe and you have a right to play your games any way you choose. Do I respect that many of you supposed peace/love types are now either passively or actively in agreement with "extinguishing" the souls of the so called cabal and their minions? No way. I find it exquisitely ironic, hypocritical and detestable.

The excuses that you're "reporting" and not supporting are so thin as to be laughable. Those who are believing in Drake and are accepting even the THOUGHT that ET's who are "helping" will be extinguishing someone's soul (although I don't agree that it's possible) are as bad as the people who lived near the Nazi death camps and ignored it, pretending it wasn't going on. After hearing Drake laugh about what he says the ET's will do to those who won't "surrender" (by yesterday), would have immediately turned me off to him had I previously been a supporter.

But I am enjoying seeing a long held theory of mine be demonstrated as true. I have always contended that a majority of the most vocal self proclaimed spiritually advanced, peace/love new age types were at heart as vicious and violent as those they are constantly trying to educate about the values of peace and love. We are all human and we all have survival instincts. I can only hope that you new age spiritually inclined people who believe in positivity and love will now see that you're not so different from the "dark cabal" at heart ....because I sure as hell see that clearly.

You are willing to kill by proxy, and in a very vicious manner, those whom someone else will judge as evil. You don't even KNOW each of them is evil. You're just taking someone else's word for it, or some unknown ET's judgment, and letting them decide while continuing to support them.... just like the followers of Hitler who turned a blind eye and enabled him to slaughter millions of people of many different races. Of course this is all theoretical since none of this crap will happen with the Drake/ET/Fulford/Wilcock "plan". But it's still a lesson in learning who you are and what you will accept to further your illusions and delusions.

[9eagle9]

Well I haven't' surrendered to Drake's story and I'm still here in spite of the fact I'm a negative cabalistic reptoid mind stealer.

So are the rest of us negative reptoid mind stealers who aren't buying this crap.

We are own evidence I suppose.

Mind stealers have a way of knowing how minds are stolen, maybe that accounts for it

[Unified Serenity]

I also find it interesting that this "wipe out the bad guys" talk reminds me of all these alien visitors who have a particular appearance. They often are one race, one style types. I wonder if in the past they too had the opportunity to learn to embrace all views with respect but chose instead to wipe out all who opposed them and justified it under some reason of spiritually dead, evil cabal and now that thousands of years have passed, they have the society they love so much because everyone is the same from looks, diet, housing, jobs, spirituality and they are here to spread the joy they live under despite that millions of their kind were destroyed because .... whatever the excuse they embrace. They can never wash the evil deeds off their souls or those of their children. They live as such because they purged their world of any who did not embrace their world view and we see the same truth here on Avalon. I am very pleased to see the blatant hypocrisy and how easily they justify it.

[StarDust]

Posted by NancyV (here)
Considering who the other "reptoid clones" are in this thread I feel lucky to be in such good company!

When I read David Icke's comments early this morning I was happy to see that he had the sense to see through the idiocy and call this whole fiasco like it is...nonsensical. David Icke is not always correct either and I don't always agree with his assertions. But I don't make a habit of believing anyone. Just because I like someone and some of their ideas doesn't mean I buy into their words as truth.

Those of you who have bought into the scenario Drake, Wilcock, Fulford, Cobra et al are putting out are totally free to do so. I don't care what you believe and you have a right to play your games any way you choose. Do I respect that many of you supposed peace/love types are now either passively or actively in agreement with "extinguishing" the souls of the so called cabal and their minions? No way. I find it exquisitely ironic, hypocritical and detestable.

The excuses that you're "reporting" and not supporting are so thin as to be laughable. Those who are believing in Drake and are accepting even the THOUGHT that ET's who are "helping" will be extinguishing someone's soul (although I don't agree that it's possible) are as bad as the people who lived near the Nazi death camps and ignored it, pretending it wasn't going on. After hearing Drake laugh about what he says the ET's will do to those who won't "surrender" (by yesterday), would have immediately turned me off to him had I previously been a supporter.

But I am enjoying seeing a long held theory of mine be demonstrated as true. I have always contended that a majority of the most vocal self proclaimed spiritually advanced, peace/love new age types were at heart as vicious and violent as those they are constantly trying to educate about the values of peace and love. We are all human and we all have survival instincts. I can only hope that you new age spiritually inclined people who believe in positivity and love will now see that you're not so different from the "dark cabal" at heart ....because I sure as hell see that clearly.

You are willing to kill by proxy, and in a very vicious manner, those whom someone else will judge as evil. You don't even KNOW each of them is evil. You're just taking someone else's word for it, or some unknown ET's judgment, and letting them decide while continuing to support them.... just like the followers of Hitler who turned a blind eye and enabled him to slaughter millions of people of many different races. Of course this is all theoretical since none of this crap will happen with the Drake/ET/Fulford/Wilcock "plan". But it's still a lesson in learning who you are and what you will accept to further your illusions and delusions.

So quick to assess judgement. However, your capacity to truly see others is limited by how you paint them in your minds eye and the filters that precede it.

[gripreaper]

Posted by NancyV (here)
You are willing to kill by proxy, and in a very vicious manner, those whom someone else will judge as evil. You don't even KNOW each of them is evil. You're just taking someone else's word for it, or some unknown ET's judgment, and letting them decide while continuing to support them.... just like the followers of Hitler who turned a blind eye and enabled him to slaughter millions of people of many different races. Of course this is all theoretical since none of this crap will happen with the Drake/ET/Fulford/Wilcock "plan". But it's still a lesson in learning who you are and what you will accept to further your illusions and delusions.

Yea but Nancy, the Council of the Great Central Sun, which is above the Evil Draconian's and the Good Pleidian's, has decreed that the game is up and that it is time to fold those bad source fragments back into source. Look, Cobra was sent here by the good Pleiadian's to fill us in on this plan, and these upper galactic councils have chosen Drake and Wilcock and Fulford as their messengers to bring the "plan" to us and make it palatable, so that we are able to accept polarity in the higher dimensions, and agree that we should continue to embrace polarity and divisiveness and murder and keep our attention on setting up the new meme to include all of the same aspects as the previous meme, and keep us distracted away from unity and dissolution of such meme's and notions.

If the Social Memory Complex which is beaming into your psyche has not the good feed of galactic information then you might be under the influence of some kind of manipulation, so you need to have the correct linkup to your galactic core so that you can make sure that you can process the information and get to the adjunct which can give you the most balanced outcome and not be obfuscated with outliers which tend to cloud and cause perturbations in the source field and make it oscillate in ways which could be construed cognitively as being outside the vertical and horizontal alignments of the dotetrahedron of creation. Just wanted to be clear about that

We can't have people unifying and creating an intention so powerful for the future with compassion, love, wisdom and understanding, now can we? I mean, what if we weren't so distracted and we caught onto the fact that we have the abilities to move mountains and we just stopped feeding the vampires? Now that would not be good for business as usual. Any top executive would tell you that.

[the_vast_mystery]

I don't expect this post to change you or your opinion on anything, but I'd like to leave it here for you in case it might eventually be useful.
I really can't speak for more than myself but as I'm pretty sure I represent a type of person that has a lot more damage then the majority of the population I also serve as a sort of "worst case" example. So if you can solve the "Worst case scenario" everything else becomes much easier. But whether or not you even want to is your call. I just think hearing from a "worst case" might provide something of use to you. But yes, you're quite correct it's just my perspective.

Posted by StarDust (here)
Thank you for your perspective on the bruised psyche of many people here on Avalon.

Microcosm of the macrocosm, it isn't just here but rather this is a representation of the general first-world population. Everyone to some extent has their psyche broken when they enter here, there's no way for it not to happen at some point considering the culture. But the most important part is that not everyone is self-aware of their brokenness. People often hide their wounds so well that they won't even realize they have them and will confuse what they are easily if the subject is not broached with a lot of care. Psychology, even though parts of it were perverted to serve a controlling agenda, can tell you an awful lot about how to do those sorts of things. I'm by no means anyone with more than the barest understanding of it, so I really can't tell you anything other than what I know I need to do, which is read up on it much more and work on my oral/written presentation of arguments.

Posted by StarDust (here)
It is very evident that many here need to trust anything other than themselves to gain approval for their ideas.

I don't think you grasp the thrust of my example using Jesus. So I'm going to have to get a bit more complex. Let's start with a postulate I think the above seems to imply. That "The truth within ourselves is the only real thing." That's great, but how does that apply to the world? You're using the word I think in a way very very different from the majority of the population. This might be why you, I and others may be at odds with each other over this. When a lot of people (I know I did!) come into the first world, from a young age you're brought up to believe in the idea of truth as outside of yourself, your survival in every aspect of society literally depends on you believing in a truth outside of yourself. Truth is held outside of a person so that people can detect deception. Why? Because if the truth inside ourselves is all that matters then we'd still be under even more oppressive monarchies run by megalomaniacs. Psychopaths obviously believe fully in everything they say or do, their "truth" is the same as your "truth" and there is no way for you to say the truth inside is all that matters and not be hypocritical without acknowledging that the truth inside different people can be very different and even contradict everything you believe. This world is not uniform.

This includes people who adopt the believe that "The truth outside ourselves is all that matters" because that is a concept that exists as a belief within someone else. Their "Truth inside" is that "only the truth outside matters." You can try to show them something new, but to get around thousands of years of cultural survival programming is no easy task. You can't just expect someone to take a jump off a cliff on blind-faith alone, this world has done its level best to breed that kind of impulse out of just about every human being. The only ones who are willing to do that sort of thing often get played by hucksters or other malcontents and so they become living examples to the rest of the population that belief is foolish. If you want to show them otherwise you need to show how your belief not only makes your life better emotionally but translates into the outside world. Beliefs that do not affect the outer world will never move someone who's truth within is that "Only the truth without matters" and because you are contradicting their beliefs they will definitely get upset over it because as sad as it is humans are possessive over words. Words can influence thought, and so cultures jockey for the ability to define or redefine words so that they can influence not just their adherents but the general human population as well. In many cases this isn't even for bad reasons, sometimes it's just to win acceptance or repair a tarnished past image. (Wiccans trying to take back the word Witch for instance.) But I digress, since their "Truth" is something that is incompatible with your "truth" and everyone's "truth" needs to be equally true/valid to them then if a contradiction arises they will do their best to extinguish the competition because that disrupts the ability to maintain their own balance.

This is probably hopelessly foolish, but these things cannot be undone by simply revealing them for what they are. People persist in their beliefs every bit as hard as I'm sure you do in your "truth" and it is because we all have a need to feel that level of certainty in our conclusions that bridges need to be built. It may be entirely the opposite of how you're used to handling situations, but I'm starting to get the distinct feeling that if life does exist elsewhere that this Planet is the only one still operating so dysfunctionally and it does so because there are always ways for people to hide their dysfunction and believe what they will themselves to believe. Until that is literally removed by providing a bridge between "The truth within" and "The truth without" people will always persist in believing whichever truth is the least painful for them to accept even if it's still a dysfunctional truth that does not actually help them in the long run. It doesn't matter that it will actually harm them, the person involved does not see that, their perception is more clouded than anyone else. They need to literally be led out of where they were by someone (that they have grown to trust understands them) who can actually show them how to keep that same emotional quality of life (or better) while changing what they believe inside themselves.

I think we went over this in another thread and your response was that people should show a work-ethic towards finding their own truth and enlightenment. I'm sure that works in normal situations but the problem is that here people have a set of loaded choices presented to them. Any "truth" you offer is probably going to upset people greatly and they will ALWAYS choose what they perceive to be the least painful option. People who are more empathetic or have better ability to plan for the future and think ahead therefore need less convincing (as their calculation of pain includes factors that might actually make it less painful to hurt themselves more now for a brighter future), but since we're a population collectively drugged, lied to, cheated, etc. then to expect any kind of enthusiasm towards what you're advocating would make about as much sense as expecting people to get jubilant at the prospect of shooting themselves in the head. It goes against everything you learn when you get here, and no one is going to respect you if you immediately disrespect everything they've learned and cannot positively frame it and then add to what they know.

Posted by StarDust (here)
I'm not one of those people and as such I do not seek or want anyone's approval. As I've stated before and I'll state again, I'm here to share ideas and nothing more.

That's fine, but just be aware that you're going to get this same sort of response everywhere you do this. (although perhaps not articulated with this much detail.) If you're fine with that then that's cool. I just think there are ways you could be a lot more effective at sharing ideas. But to each their own.

Posted by StarDust (here)
If someone has an interesting idea, then I'll journey down that path, if not, then I head the other direction. I state my truth as I have discovered it through experience, understanding, intuitive knowing and messages from my home from afar and am willing to share a perspective. At no time have I ever stated that it was THE perspective; only that it's A perspective. This is why I emphatically state that if my message does not resonate with you then you are welcome to discard it and move to something that does.

To effectively share your perspective people need to be able to put themselves in your shoes. If your perspective includes things no one can even begin to relate to them they're not going to listen. But what's worse, because people have done exactly what you're doing, but from a dishonest intent to deceive and manipulate others people are always going to be on the defense when things like this appear. They cannot perceive intent, they cannot know that you're not lying, or that you're not a psychopath and because we really do have to deal with those here we literally have to cross-examine anything outlandish someone says just so that we can be sure they're not doing the same thing again. It's a survival mechanism, you're going to have about as much success at changing that as you will convincing people they don't need to eat, sleep or breathe (meaning even if they physically don't it's such a deeply ingrained behavior that deprogramming it could take aeons depending on how it's approached.)

Posted by StarDust (here)
What I find most fascinating is the number of people who gravitate to subjects that they are steadfastly opposed to, yet spend extraordinary amounts of time within.

It's not just conflict for conflict's sake. Debate is actually a useful way to get information out of people. Debate, just like science is a reductionist method to determining truth. You try to disprove everything someone says and if you cannot then whatever remains is as close to the genuine truth as we can know currently. The more you debate the more you can learn because over time you remove all of the things that could not be true until the only thing that is true remains. It's a roundabout approach and probably takes a lot longer than it should but it's just how things are done here as a matter of survival. If you don't pay respect to the necessity of these processes then no one else is going to respect yours. It worked on this planet for a long time, that may be because this planet was horribly dysfunctional but to survive in a dysfunctional world we cannot control people will become dysfunctional if they can find no other way to survive.

But the confrontation is actually a way of evaluating whether or not you are true or valid. It's how someone who holds truth outside themselves does it. They do it precisely because they know that their truth within can be affected/altered by the world without and that if they do not hold the truth outside themselves then they will be unable to change their beliefs and they will become mentally trapped if they happen upon a clever psychopath. Look at the political divides for instance, all that bitter partisanship is the product of damaged psyches who literally cannot stand to be proven wrong (it hurts them on an emotional level immensely) and to survive they pursue a Scorched Earth "Win at all costs" strategy to maintain their own illusion of correctness in their beliefs within. Someone who holds the truth completely outside of themselves however is free to admit they were wrong, as they never believed they were right to begin with. This allows them to detect deception and if they're lucky, help get some people out of those traps. It's just what (at least had before) worked.

Posted by StarDust (here)
As for proof of anything…what is the importance of any of it? If someone claimed to be Jesus Christ and pulled out his ID issued by GOD to prove it, then walked on water and pulled a chocolate bar out of his a$$, would it really matter to anyone anyway? If so, what would that impact be other than to be able to say you met Jesus Christ.

Oh, I'm actually quite happy you asked!
The reason Jesus if he existed would need to perform miracles is to demonstrate the bridge between the truth within and the truth without. If he can make a physical example by showing how his beliefs can say, heal broken bones as well as mend the psyche then that directly shows how the inner world and outer world are connected and gives people a path to walk from "Only the truth without matters" to "only the truth within matters." It would also allow him to directly demonstrate the relevancy of his truth by allowing others to put it to the test. If he did it respectfully and was willing to really slog it out he might even be able to convince the entire planet. But to do it, he'd first have to be willing to submit to the reductionist methodology for determining truth.

If he could defy the laws of physics, as well as understand the mind, mend the heart, etc. Then he demonstrates 100% actualization of belief as reality in a way that is universally relevant to everyone. Everyone has a physical body, everyone has physical needs. By showing them a permanent way to resolve any survival issues by allowing their "Truth within" to provide for their needs in the world without he will transcend people's survival issues by showing them that if they follow what he says bad things will not, in fact, happen to them. It's important not just to be an example himself, but to create a process others can follow and over a long period of time prove the validity of that process by basically educating people up to his level, like a school. Expecting people to reach his level by any other process contradicts how this world has shown us to survive. We are born, we get educated, and then we apply that education in the world around us to navigate it and find our meaning/satisfaction in life.

But even more important, by being that example and being willing to face even the psychopaths in our society who will try to destroy him, he also would show us how to properly survive. By appearing as a mundane human here to spread some good works, yes he will influence people's hearts but he's not ever going to transform the whole of the world. At best he'd get a few souls piecemeal who were lucky enough to hold on to what he showed them before the rest of society literally beat it out of them. Especially if people are stuck here in some kind of reincarnation loop, it's important for there to be a lasting example until (at least a majority) of people get out rather than expecting people will just figure it out on their own. People might normally do that everywhere else, but I question whether or not these societies ever have had such organized campaigns of lying/disinfo/etc pitched against them. We do here, and because there will be that constant pressure from a contingent of society who exists for no other reason than to confuse and control us through using that confusion. And people can be confused quite easily, all it takes is an example which disproves whatever they believed. It may not really shake them, but it will chip away at the firmness of what they believe and over time that represents a way to get into their heads and ultimately control them by offering a more correct explanation that can account for that example.

This, is why any "second coming" if it were ever to occur, has to be a literal one. (Versus a metaphor for something more abstract.) Because until there's someone on this Earth who can explain everything, to everyone, and make complete sense of everything then psychopaths will be able to keep on controlling us. If you believe in the Law of One, I think Ra mentioned that the harvests from this planet were quite low. This is probably why, because any time anyone tries to step up and really figure it out there are already plenty of others who know just how to disarm them. It doesn't matter if that person eventually escapes because they're so effective at that disarming that they can immediately make anything that person says irrelevant to the society at large. As well, with each successful disarming, they only grow better at how to do it.

Again, Jesus is the example. Whatever he really was, today he exists mostly as a mockery of what he originally sought to teach us and was adopted as a figurehead by fundamentalist religions which are based more on how to hate rather than how to love. It represents how psychopaths can twist anything to suit their agenda, even someone who (to us) appears perfect. All they had to do was wait until he left to destroy or corrupt all hard evidence of what he was originally here for, then slowly twist and manipulate his teachings and the people interested in following them until we're at where we are today. People don't notice very slow methodical changes over time, we don't have the ability to perceive with that much clarity right now.

I use Jesus as an example as he'd be the person most relevant to a majority of the world. If we're seriously talking about planning a literal example to use in today's world that's relevant to the entire planet there'd probably need to be more examples than just a "Jesus Christ." I really think Project Blue Beam, regardless of if it were ever real, represented something important. People need to have things appear not just as they are, but also to a degree as they expect them to be. If you totally defy everyone's expectations they may refuse to acknowledge you, because that "expectation" is the same to them as your "truth within."

Their truth within, just like the skeptics "only the truth without matters" truth within, must all be acknowledged simultaneously. If this sounds incredibly complicated and laborious, it is, and it's because ultimately someone has to bear the burden for a people who have been under the yoke for so long they literally do not know how to bear it themselves. Chastising them for this isn't going to help them anymore than chastising a paraplegic is going to help them walk. When someone suffers a debilitating injury it takes mountains of effort and resources to get them back to walking again and that's before we consider that if this person were to represent collective humanity that he'd be dealing with a circle of friends/family where 4% of them would be guaranteed to be trying their hardest to prevent him from ever walking again (Going to lengths as far as Kathy Bates in Misery) while with near perfect clarity appearing to the injured as caring friends/family.

Posted by StarDust (here)
As for the "experience" that some claim to have in spades, well, I'm of the school that you judge a tree by its fruit. And from where I'm standing all I can see are 1 dimensional descriptions of something resembling fruit and not the fruit itself. If and when, my computer screen starts oozing apple sauce, well, then I'll change my tune. In the interim, there has been nothing proven here on Avalon in any concrete form, other than the fact that some people are prolific writers.

In sum, I thank you for your thoughts but choose not to play the "Avalon Proof & Truth" game. In the end, it is all just words on a screen and nothing more from my perspective.

It's not just "The Avalon Truth game" it's a representation of how people learn things, adopt them as truth, apply them to the world, and change their beliefs in a first world sort of situation. It's not universally relevant but it does represent (I at least hope) the toughest audience you're going to have to face. So my hope is that if you're interested in spreading ideas you'd be interested in attempting to convince me as a way to test how your message is going to be accepted; enabling you to get much more effective at achieving your goal.

I'm willing to admit everything I've just said, could, in fact, be dead wrong. It's just what my own experience leads me to believe. This is, you could say, my "truth within" and if you want me to change you have to change that, because what's stopping change in the way you might want it to occur (dropping fear, adopting love, living from the heart, not needing outer-proofs or reasons for doing things) is precisely the belief that the things I think or feel now are necessary for my survival. If you can fully demonstrate in every way how they are not, I no longer can hold onto the belief and then ultimately I have no choice but to change.

I've been trying to figure out how to drop my own beliefs, and I've finally come to realize that I cannot do that on my own, and that I probably never will. Because unless the entire world around me changes (which seems highly unlikely) the only other way for those beliefs to become irrelevant is to have an example of something better (That appeals to my truth within) that I can somehow change myself into while the world around me stays exactly the same. I just can't buy anything else because there are too many examples (including ones I've been through myself, I've dealt with manipulation a lot in my life.) that exist today which show how horribly things can end if I do any of the above things.

Fear is not universally dispelled by love, because people can literally be taught to fear love or fear certain expressions of love. Okay, rant off. I hope it was informative at least. ^_^

[NancyV]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by NancyV (here)
You are willing to kill by proxy, and in a very vicious manner, those whom someone else will judge as evil. You don't even KNOW each of them is evil. You're just taking someone else's word for it, or some unknown ET's judgment, and letting them decide while continuing to support them.... just like the followers of Hitler who turned a blind eye and enabled him to slaughter millions of people of many different races. Of course this is all theoretical since none of this crap will happen with the Drake/ET/Fulford/Wilcock "plan". But it's still a lesson in learning who you are and what you will accept to further your illusions and delusions.

Yea but Nancy, the Council of the Great Central Sun, which is above the Evil Draconian's and the Good Pleidian's, has decreed that the game is up and that it is time to fold those bad source fragments back into source. Look, Cobra was sent here by the good Pleiadian's to fill us in on this plan, and these upper galactic councils have chosen Drake and Wilcock and Fulford as their messengers to bring the "plan" to us and make it palatable, so that we are able to accept polarity in the higher dimensions, and agree that we should continue to embrace polarity and divisiveness and murder and keep our attention on setting up the new meme to include all of the same aspects as the previous meme, and keep us distracted away from unity and dissolution of such meme's and notions.

If the Social Memory Complex which is beaming into your psyche has not the good feed of galactic information then you might be under the influence of some kind of manipulation, so you need to have the correct linkup to your galactic core so that you can make sure that you can process the information and get to the adjunct which can give you the most balanced outcome and not be obfuscated with outliers which tend to cloud and cause perturbations in the source field and make it oscillate in ways which could be construed cognitively as being outside the vertical and horizontal alignments of the dotetrahedron of creation. Just wanted to be clear about that

We can't have people unifying and creating an intention so powerful for the future with compassion, love, wisdom and understanding, now can we? I mean, what if we weren't so distracted and we caught onto the fact that we have the abilities to move mountains and we just stopped feeding the vampires? Now that would not be good for business as usual. Any top executive would tell you that.

You're so right! Thank you for reminding me!

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Well I haven't' surrendered to Drake's story and I'm still here in spite of the fact I'm a negative cabalistic reptoid mind stealer.

So are the rest of us negative reptoid mind stealers who aren't buying this crap.

We are own evidence I suppose.

Mind stealers have a way of knowing how minds are stolen, maybe that accounts for it

What if I told you that the bolded was literally true? How hard would you laugh? ;p

[xbusymom]

could this be part of 'the plan'...

The U.S. Coast Guard has ended its search for a Brazilian-born multimillionaire whose fishing boat washed up on a south Florida beach earlier this week.

The Coast Guard said it called off the search for Guma Aguiar, the 35-year-old founder of a Texas oil and gas company that he sold for a reported $2.55 billion in 2006, late Thursday evening.

see the story here... http://news.yahoo.com/u-coast-guard-...143630930.html

[Hervé]

The following is something most people need to understand about the "cabal," criminals of any sorts and controllers which is something that "Drake," in spite of all his "training" in mysticism and occult teachings is completely missing (or not, depending on the real agenda he is on):


From: http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html

This came up as being prior to birth. I then checked if it was from a past life; the answer was, “No.” I then checked to see if it came in through the genetic hereditary line; the answer was, “Yes.”

It ended up going back to the great, great grandfather. The client was there in hyperspace reliving the hologram of event of the agreement of entrapment, and he saw his great, great grandfather's body being taken over through his agreement of initiation through a ritual, as he moved up the scale of the secret society as a 33 rd degree Freemason.

When one goes through initiation rituals within some of these secret societies, they do this using their conscious free will; they enter the game of these forces and become subjects to the creator of that game. They make powerful symbols that open dimensional doorways and invoke forces from the unseen world--this becomes a valid universal agreement that can be valid through time and space eternally.

The first to enter into the body is an apprentice entity, and with each degree, a more powerful entity takes over. By the time they reach the 20 th to 25 th degrees, their thoughts and actions are no longer their own thoughts and actions--they are being run and controlled by unseen forces. They will always try to justify their actions, and by the time they reach the 30 th to 33 rd degrees, this then becomes an overlay--a powerful force--that merges, holographically overlaying itself throughout the body and which can now totally run the body, down to a cellular level. The original spirit and soul have been entrapped within their own body, no longer able to control it.

[...]

I once had a client on the table, he was a very big man, and these controllers had been interfering with him, I was going up line, so to speak and was four up, at the invader that was at the level controlling 50,000 and was reading him his rights to his freedom in this sector, when all of a sudden he breaks down crying his eyes out.

I asked, "why do you cry when I give you your freedom"!

This invading dimensional being was what I classified as a Draconian overlay, his comment was. "They will not let me go, they will entrap me like they did last time."

From that day on, a new agreement was added to the rights of their freedom and that is you have the rights to be aware of the game, so you are not entrapped by any beings higher or lower in this sector or any other sector or dimension.

[...]

Once an overlay has control, through the free will agreement that was given to it, not only does it have control of the body, but it also has control down the genetic line for about seven generations, as had occurred in this case.

The fun has just begun! I now call up the overlays, and as they surface, I start reading them their rights of their freedom. I start with the apprentice; he is the one in charge of that body. Then comes his controller; he is in charge of apprentices. Then the next controller; and then the “big boys” ... they can control up to a million humans!!!

Whenever I came across the controllers and asked if they were being controlled, I always got the same answer, “No.” When I asked what gave them the right to control those below, the answer is always similar, and that is, “We have the born rights.”

This is similar to the born-rights control on the physical by the blue bloods; the royal line of Titans, which were put here to control the planet.

It had taken about twenty minutes to remove this one; he was one of the highest controlling species that I am aware of in the inter-dimensional control game. He was one of the winged serpents--this species usually stays hidden as they control the Draconians, who in turn, control the Greys.

It took her body another five minutes to re-adjust back to its original self.

[...]

We have the ability to turn the prison system around as "repeat offenders" have no control over their repeat crimes and many times you hear " I don't know why I did it or the voices in my head made me do it" We have hundreds of news paper articles where these other forces took control killing people and the body is doing the time for a dimensional crime.

[...]

These beings come and take over, ‘party time, yee‐ha!’ But they’re leaving you to hold the bag. They jump out because they don’t want to take responsibility because human bodies are subject to pain and suffering. They’d rather jump in, have fun and leave you holding the bag. This is your free will and choice. If you choose to go out and get drunk, if you choose to go and get on the drugs, if you choose to open the doorways, then you’re choosing to be in their game. And you’re subject to laws of their game. Simple. Make changes.

In short, any mass murdering won't solve any problem, just make it worse since the real culprits would just jump ship/body and keep on going in their same old ways..

[RMorgan]

Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Well I haven't' surrendered to Drake's story and I'm still here in spite of the fact I'm a negative cabalistic reptoid mind stealer.

So are the rest of us negative reptoid mind stealers who aren't buying this crap.

We are own evidence I suppose.

Mind stealers have a way of knowing how minds are stolen, maybe that accounts for it

What if I told you that the bolded was literally true? How hard would you laugh? ;p

Well, in some cases, it´s true.

As an example, bank robbers have a way of knowing how banks are robbed, of course.

However, first hand personal experience is not always necessary to know deeply about any subject.

Using the bank robber metaphor, some cops, who never robbed a bank, know a lot about the subject because they have practiced the investigative skill to emulate/impersonate a bank robber´s mind.

Investigating any subject is pretty much like acting; just like a good actor is the one who have the skills to impersonate the persona of a character, the good investigator is the one who´s able to impersonate the mind of the investigated person.

So, your above statement is true sometimes, but not generally applicable.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Hervé]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

If the Social Memory Complex which is beaming into your psyche has not the good feed of galactic information then you might be under the influence of some kind of manipulation, so you need to have the correct linkup to your galactic core so that you can make sure that you can process the information and get to the adjunct which can give you the most balanced outcome and not be obfuscated with outliers which tend to cloud and cause perturbations in the source field and make it oscillate in ways which could be construed cognitively as being outside the vertical and horizontal alignments of the dotetrahedron of creation. Just wanted to be clear about that

[...]

My... gripreaper has been taken over by As'hiena Deanne...

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by xbusymom (here)
could this be part of 'the plan'...

The U.S. Coast Guard has ended its search for a Brazilian-born multimillionaire whose fishing boat washed up on a south Florida beach earlier this week.

The Coast Guard said it called off the search for Guma Aguiar, the 35-year-old founder of a Texas oil and gas company that he sold for a reported $2.55 billion in 2006, late Thursday evening.

see the story here... http://news.yahoo.com/u-coast-guard-...143630930.html

Vessels get hijacked by drug runners quite ofter in the Caribbean or the Gulf of Mexico. They're attractive for a means into the States because of their legitimate registration. This sounds very typical, as once here, the boat is abandoned on the beach, and the bodies are long gone to the sharks. That's why most commercial fisherman who go well offshore are also well armed.

I would guess this scenario, before "The Plan".

Cheers,
Fred