The Bible

[Beren]

Again ,for those who are against Bible or pro Bible , don`t we all see that Bible is just a collection of various works from various people?
And VARIOUS people interpret it as they wish, hence we got confusion in the name of God.

And God laughs merrily watching his children...
Don`t get in another round regarding "his" or "hers"

God is a spirit.

I choose to call IT a he ... or I might decide to call IT a she...

AGAIN it`s all about MY choice. My filter ,my way.
But God is a spirit and can be whatever it chooses to be. I am that I am. Or I am who I am. Or I will be whomever I choose to be.

Simple this phrase is writen in English as I just wrote it.
On Serbian is - Ja jesam onaj koji jesam.
On Hebrew i YHWH or modern variations or rendering as Yahweh ,Jehovah etc.
On French would be ...(you add it)
On Italian would be ... (you add it)

See?

Are we playing dumb here?
Or we imagine it`s something more?

If it is - so what?

We`re I am `s kids. Meaning we can be whomever we can be!
Better get use to it!



Simple as that.

And we`re God`s kids.

Better get use to this!


Again- better get use to this...

Some responsibility could walk in here... responsibility for words,thoughts,actions...since we manifest those all the time, I am kinda tired of collective manifestation of hell on Earth... Aren`t we all?

Let`s take some responsibility for our thought,word and deed.

Or should we continue quarreling of who`s right here and who`s building walls?
Or who imagines this or that?

[GCS1103]

Posted by Beren (here)
Again ,for those who are against Bible or pro Bible , don`t we all see that Bible is just a collection of various works from various people?
And VARIOUS people interpret it as they wish, hence we got confusion in the name of God.

And God laughs merrily watching his children...
Don`t get in another round regarding "his" or "hers"

God is a spirit.

I choose to call IT a he ... or I might decide to call IT a she...

AGAIN it`s all about MY choice. My filter ,my way.
But God is a spirit and can be whatever it chooses to be. I am that I am. Or I am who I am. Or I will be whomever I choose to be.

Simple this phrase is writen in English as I just wrote it.
On Serbian is - Ja jesam onaj koji jesam.
On Hebrew i YHWH or modern variations or rendering as Yahweh ,Jehovah etc.
On French would be ...(you add it)
On Italian would be ... (you add it)

See?

Are we playing dumb here?
Or we imagine it`s something more?

If it is - so what?

We`re I am `s kids. Meaning we can be whomever we can be!
Better get use to it!



Simple as that.

And we`re God`s kids.

Better get use to this!


Again- better get use to this...

Some responsibility could walk in here... responsibility for words,thoughts,actions...since we manifest those all the time, I am kinda tired of collective manifestation of hell on Earth... Aren`t we all?

Let`s take some responsibility for our thought,word and deed.

Or should we continue quarreling of who`s right here and who`s building walls?
Or who imagines this or that?

Beren-

You're a very smart man.

[RedeZra]

Jesus comes with a package

His words


oh but we don't know what He said

so we're gonna close the Book and philosophise

about what He was saying


do the adults here understand the insanity in this ?

[Unified Serenity]

I will also add that there is a huge difference in reading the bible seeking illumination with a sincere heart, and reading the bible to know what it says, and not give a damn about truth. Sincerity and purity of heart lead to wisdom and love. Being a scholar just leads to information, and really no one cares how much you know until they know how much you care.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
I will also add that there is a huge difference in reading the bible seeking illumination with a sincere heart, and reading the bible to know what it says, and not give a damn about truth. Sincerity and purity of heart lead to wisdom and love. Being a scholar just leads to information, and really no one cares how much you know until they know how much you care.

Jesus cared

and they strung Him up on a cross


something is very wrong with this world

but i digress


without the Holy spirit we would be following our own minds

but isn't that a good thing to do our own thinking ?


it sounds good but compared to God's thinking it's no good at all

look at the world our minds have made


God is not gonna force Himself on us

but He will shake us up big time

[greybeard]

Another difference is that the seeking of enlightenment is radically different from being a "good" Christian/Buddhist/Moslem/Hindu etc.
All personal identification has to be released-- all belief systems/ opinions/ concepts/ labels/fundamentalism etc have to go.
Only desire for Truth remains.
I am a this I am a that is duality.
Yes the Jesus words point to Truth.
"I" am the way.
So the spiritual question is "What am I?"
Following Jesus leads to salvation--- realising the Truth of spiritual teaching is enlightenment.
Salvation a very worth while, important goal (essential) and within the reach of all.
Realisation of Self -- Buddha nature -- enlightenment as yet a rare event.
All religions separate (duality) enlightenment is True nature--- One with the Father.
Jesus pointed to enlightenment as well as salvation.

Chris

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Another difference is that the seeking of enlightenment is radically different from being a "good" Christian/Buddhist/Moslem/Hindu etc.
All personal identification has to be released-- all belief systems/ opinions/ concepts/ labels/fundamentalism etc have to go.

humanity is divided by religions or ideologies

but i doubt God has a Multiple Personality Disorder


so where do all these religions come from ?

now that is a can of worms

[Beren]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Another difference is that the seeking of enlightenment is radically different from being a "good" Christian/Buddhist/Moslem/Hindu etc.
All personal identification has to be released-- all belief systems/ opinions/ concepts/ labels/fundamentalism etc have to go.

humanity is divided by religions or ideologies

but i doubt God has a Multiple Personality Disorder


so where do all these religions come from ?

now that is a can of worms

It is but it's not.
It comes from various people, entities and such.

Everybody interprets truth on their own way without realizing that THIS is their interpretation.
All would be good and evolutionary unless or save the ones who think they are right and want to fight about it.

This is the prime reason behind wars and such. Ego at work.

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Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
I will also add that there is a huge difference in reading the bible seeking illumination with a sincere heart, and reading the bible to know what it says, and not give a damn about truth. Sincerity and purity of heart lead to wisdom and love. Being a scholar just leads to information, and really no one cares how much you know until they know how much you care.

[kreagle]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
I will also add that there is a huge difference in reading the bible seeking illumination with a sincere heart, and reading the bible to know what it says, and not give a damn about truth. Sincerity and purity of heart lead to wisdom and love. Being a scholar just leads to information, and really no one cares how much you know until they know how much you care.

Unified Serenity,

What a very "wise" observation you've made, here. I mean this with complete sincerity! Jesus gave a very simple lesson on this very "topic" you are speaking on,....namely "obtaining truth"!

Matthew 5:6
King James Version (KJV)

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

"Most" people today are so busy trying to gather together a "head knowledge" of God's Word, that they eliminate the most "key ingredients" of all,....faith, hunger, and thirst. These "three" ingredients only come from a sincere heart,....as you have pointed out.

You'll notice that I "highlighted" the last sentence of your post.

Very profound,......and very, very true!

Thank you!,.....Love and Peace,........kreagle

[RedeZra]

Posted by Beren (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

humanity is divided by religions or ideologies

but i doubt God has a Multiple Personality Disorder


so where do all these religions come from ?

now that is a can of worms

It is but it's not.
It comes from various people, entities and such.

Everybody interprets truth on their own way without realizing that THIS is their interpretation.

this is the main reason for denominations within religions

but who is behind all these highly divergent religions


sure we can choose a religion or none

but why do we have so many


can they all be true ?

[greybeard]

Ha!!! the path of enlightenment is not allied to any sect or religion.
No enlightened sage was or is of any religion.
They do not say my way (teaching) is the only one that leads to Truth.
The essence of Truth can be found in any religion if you ignore the dogma.
Enlightenment excludes none.
The sages may have different forms and persona but formless they are One.
Jesus did not seem to be specifically of a religion--- for sure he was not a Christian.

Chris

[Unified Serenity]

Christianity was sidelined when Paul came in and decided he was an Apostle and started twisting the truth Yeshua had revealed. The Roman's took over and removed the foundation which was Judaism. It's not Judah's fault that the other 10 tribes got divorced from God and sent packing over the caucus mountains to forget their roots. They were a stiff necked rebellious people then and it appears we still are. Yeshua came to bring back the lost sheep of the house of Israel, those 10 tribes and any who would want to join along the way.

There is only one way, and that is the path of love. Yeshua spelled it out to love God and to love your neighbor and in doing that you fulfill all of the law. But he also observed the Feasts of the Lord and the laws prescribed in Torah as pertaining to Statutes and Precepts and was the final blood sacrifice in his death on the cross. Only two churches were approved of in Revelation 2:10 and 3:10 and those are Philadelphia and Shmyrna who both taught who the Kenites were. The Kenites claim to be Jews and are not, they are of the synagogue (church / House) of Satan. I'll not go into the Kenite teaching again, but if you want to search I have written plenty of times about those who kill the prophets from Abel to Zacharias, and who killed Abel? Come on folks, this is kindergarten stuff.

Jesus told them boldly who they were and they killed him for it. The apostles spread the truth, and by god, Satan knew he had to shut them the hell up! So, he joined them in the guise of a turn cloak, Paul. Once Rome was "converted" and took over, Christianity was nothing but another tool to herd mankind. Now that it's done it's part, it's time to dismantle it, tear it down, and bring in the new and improved christianity, that there was no crucified Christ, but that he was an example of the Godman, and you are too. What a crock of crap! The oldest lie in the universe, that "I am God". Yes, it works every time.

The bible is inerrant, but only if you read it in context and not take a scripture from one place and another and make up what suits your itching ears to hear! There is not one truth that is not revealed in the bible. It's ignorant "teachers" who unrightly divide the word and sew confusion amongst the children and there is a special warning for them. Woe unto you who causes the least of my children to stumble, it would be better had you never been born.

[deridan]

well said Chris

dogma tries to deal with the fallen state of men,
anyone enlightened has to drop dogma, much like one has to let go of a rope which has brought one from somewhere below the precipitous,
the plateau needs different co-ordinates,

where do all the religions come from, ... well i wish i could speak as an expert who has taken all things in, but one has also to know that christianity (the central tale, of triune, and a dieing and resurrecting hero) seems to follow a blue-print that was around in ancient eqyptian mystery religions, and that not being the only one,
came across the Zoroastrian and even a Nazarenne blue print (will see what that yields if i have the time {the zoroastrians were the first to see a pure man as being able to defeat evil, and the Nazarenes, well, as said, none of the great figures, even Jesus is/was of a religion,...so it would be to see how the Nazarene system affected what we perceived as his teachings__or atleast what the church has made it up to be})...{i've found redice to be a great resource on these many aspects, yet it should not influence our decision to make contact with the divine [it would seem asif the 'helper levels' which dalores canon has accessed has substantiated that we do infact make contact with something, from that pure state of joyjubilation let us then move, for the mechanizations which influence blind society are not our concern]}..

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
The sages may have different forms and persona but formless they are One.

yes the Impersonal Self as they say

but if we trust Jesus then God is Personal


two different doctrines

about the point purpose and destiny of life

[gripreaper]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
Jesus comes with a package

His words

oh but we don't know what He said

so we're gonna close the Book and philosophise

about what He was saying

do the adults here understand the insanity in this ?

Does anyone else think that this is quite presumptuous to speak for others and claim to know what is in another's heart? Claiming to know whether or not they feel what Jesus said? So it's insane to not follow the dogma prescribed by Red?

Oh come on gripreaper, he's just trying to save you and is coming from the only place he knows how, he's harmless, right?

[RedeZra]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
Jesus comes with a package

His words

Claiming to know whether or not they feel what Jesus said?

you feel what Jesus really said and meant

and so the written words must be wrong

when you don't feel it's right

[greybeard]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
The sages may have different forms and persona but formless they are One.

yes the Impersonal Self as they say

but if we trust Jesus then God is Personal


two different doctrines

about the point purpose and destiny of life

Ah but is it a different end result?
"The Father and I are One" is the word of Jesus.
Jesus said we can do what he has done.
Enlightenment is a state where there is no person left.
The caterpillar has become the butterfly so to speak.
The seeming individual has realised that duality is Maya (illusion), it is not True, and reality is One without a second.
The enlightened sage throughout history has reported from direct experience exactly the same Truth.
Only God is.
The sage can truthfully say " I am the totality, all of it"
God became all without diminishing Himself.
So God is formless, form, both and neither.
This is beyond human comprehension.
The sage seems human because persona remains but is actually not in the human state of duality.
The full realised enlightened state is non location-- timeless--not personal etc.
There are degrees of enlightenment.
That is the best I can do to explain the unexplainable.

Regards Chris

[Wiremu2011]

RedeZRA. My first post on this thread and I'm glad it's thrown around for others to question the Bible because it's a very viable subject that should be scrutinized like anything else. But I cant help notice you have a very cocky tone in your response to those giving you a fair, decent and intelligent debate about it.
Do you think Jesus would approve of the smirk you often portray in your remarks as part of the humility expected of you, as one who claims to be a wholehearted believer?

[RedeZra]

Posted by Wiremu2011 (here)
RedeZRA. My first post on this thread and I'm glad it's thrown around for others to question the Bible because it's a very viable subject that should be scrutinized like anything else. But I cant help notice you have a very cocky tone in your response to those giving you a fair, decent and intelligent debate about it.
Do you think Jesus would approve of the smirk you often portray in your remarks as part of the humility expected of you, as one who claims to be a wholehearted believer?

who are you ?

do you come to my thread to insult me ?


repent

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

yes the Impersonal Self as they say

but if we trust Jesus then God is Personal

Enlightenment is a state where there is no person left.

yes this is the state of enlightenment as reported by sages

no person left


but according to Jesus we will still be persons in Heaven or hell