Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[Kimberley]

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This was just posted on Drakes web site:

http://americannationalmilitia.com/latest-updates/

GVR – Drake Mid-Week Update – PREEMPTIVE PREPAREDNESS
Posted on 06/27/2012


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Home of DRAKE. Tonight Drake will be giving mid-week updates concerning our freedom.

[Heartsong]

It comes to mind that the Drake followers are proposing to take action from a love of law and order, constitutional foundations and individual freedom but are acting (or will be taking action) in contradiction to all those things.

I didn't vote for their revolution. I don't support their uprising.

Will those that are to be arrested be presented to the grand jury? Will they be properly accused, provided defense and a speedy trial? Will an audit be performed on the books of those accused of financial malfeasance or will it be assumed that since they are affluent they must be guilty of something?

Should all of this arresting come about (with or without the help of E.T.s) and people are dragged off in the middle of the night by this self appointed gestapo, what's to be done with the detainees? Are they to be re-educated or just done away with?

And for the rest of us who aren't rich, aren't political, aren't informed and aren't arrested. Those of us who watch this revolution happen. Who can we trust from that point on?

The old "cabal" with the laws and history? or, The "new gestapo" who might just decide that Methodists or Presbyterians are the next world's new "evil"?

Yes there are wrong things happening in the world. There are those powerful few who do things that are not in the best interest of the whole. But there are established mechanisms to curb the bad behaviors of others. Laws and law enforcement.

Yes, some laws are wrong. They got there by a process and can be removed by the same process.

No it's not easy. It's hard. It should be hard. It's that important.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Heartsong (here)
It comes to mind that the Drake followers are proposing to take action from a love of law and order, constitutional foundations and individual freedom but are acting (or will be taking action) in contradiction to all those things.

You make some good points, Heartsong. From the other side, I would think the perspective would be that existence of the current "government" is itself illegal and must be corrected with the constitution being the legal guide. I'm just guessing though.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by LarryC (here)

Posted by Kristin (here)
The tittle of this thread is: Re: Drake: Updates, Clarifications and More... It would be great to see a respectful discussion from all parties on this subject without the need for personal attacks being a part of the communication... Imagine that you are new to Avalon and are on the fence about this issue, you come to this thread with the hope of "Clarification" and find well... the last ten posts, LOL. I would love to see an intelligent and peaceful debate about the subject at hand. Hugs and a hand shake out to all of you.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

I've missed a lot of the personal attacks, but that's probably because I've been making strategic use of the Ignore button, lol.

I don't know if this is something that any forums do, but I think it might be a good idea if the person who starts a thread had the power to moderate it. That would prevent threads from getting hijacked. Not sure how complicated this would be from a technical standpoint, but it would be an interesting experiment at least.

I understand what you are saying, Larry, but Avalon's style is to allow different points of view, which can lead to greater understanding on all sides. If we allow thread starters to censor other views, we become a group of polarized subforums and we are no longer a community. If people want to have a place to share their views where they can have more control, there are plenty of free blog options available with free forum software.

What some people consider "hijacking" is often just another opinion that they don't want to hear. I'm sure the mods would be happy to assist in keeping a thread on topic with gentle nudges if asked.

I propose again that Avalon has "thread starters", not "thread owners". Nobody owns threads here. That sense of ownership that people have is false, in my opinion. This is a place for all of us. All threads are for all of us. Yes, we must be mature and responsible ourselves to make this a great forum, but I think we are up to the task.

All just my opinions (and I have an endless supply of them).

[9eagle9]

Currently we don't have a population that can comprehend certain aspects of the constitution.

With certain rights comes responsibility is the first that comes to mind.

Twould be a rather useless document until people get the real intention of it which is what rights are wrought from--responsibility.

We live in a society that has to make a law, a law mind you, not to kill gay people because they make certain aspects of our society 'nervous'. ..

Because people are not responsible they have certain rights taken away because....they aren't responsible with them.

We gave up our own control by becoming re-active and not re-sponsive. Responsiveness is the better part of responsibility.

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

Posted by Heartsong (here)
It comes to mind that the Drake followers are proposing to take action from a love of law and order, constitutional foundations and individual freedom but are acting (or will be taking action) in contradiction to all those things.

You make some good points, Heartsong. From the other side, I would think the perspective would be that existence of the current "government" is itself illegal and must be corrected with the constitution being the legal guide. I'm just guessing though.

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Well, honestly, and anyone who recalls my posts knows I went from believing "This is it!" to “well, maybe not” then with the aliens and ascension possibilities to, "I don't know but I am gonna believe in the plan anywys," to, “Drake may have had mystery school (Dragon) experience but that doesn't necessarily make him a satanist or a tool of the cabal”... where I then experienced his threats against Vivek and then discovered executions as part of the plan (both which lost my support permanently) to my recent and probably final conclusion that this Drake / Plan scenario is 99% for sure a creation of a few delusional individuals and/or a psy-op which at best is meant to be distracting but at worst could result in implementation of martial law.

All those swings occurred over the last three months until I found myself firmly grounded in my latest position about 3 weeks ago. But I would be lying if I said I am at my final resting place / point of view because I retain the right to change my views.

No, what I meant was that anyone who was going to change their minds already would have, and we both obviously did. I was in the tank as well at first because I was still buying in to David Wilcock at the time and Drake was part of what finally shook me up and out of that. Since then we've had Vivek's thread as well as this one and we've had every single thing said or done by Drake and Co put under the microscope. So at this point anyone still reading has already made up their minds where they stand, and if they haven't yet then they'll probably read all of our old posts and arrive at the same conclusion as one of the above two groups. I just don't think we're going to get any further with this discussion and I'd hate to see it turn into a point of contention here between groups of members.

But I'm just like you, some other guy adding his own perspective and two cents to the mix. People will do what they want to do, I was just hoping saying that might help bring the more bitter discussions to a close.

Posted by Heartsong (here)
It comes to mind that the Drake followers are proposing to take action from a love of law and order, constitutional foundations and individual freedom but are acting (or will be taking action) in contradiction to all those things.

I didn't vote for their revolution. I don't support their uprising.

Will those that are to be arrested be presented to the grand jury? Will they be properly accused, provided defense and a speedy trial? Will an audit be performed on the books of those accused of financial malfeasance or will it be assumed that since they are affluent they must be guilty of something?

Should all of this arresting come about (with or without the help of E.T.s) and people are dragged off in the middle of the night by this self appointed gestapo, what's to be done with the detainees? Are they to be re-educated or just done away with?

And for the rest of us who aren't rich, aren't political, aren't informed and aren't arrested. Those of us who watch this revolution happen. Who can we trust from that point on?

The old "cabal" with the laws and history? or, The "new gestapo" who might just decide that Methodists or Presbyterians are the next world's new "evil"?

Yes there are wrong things happening in the world. There are those powerful few who do things that are not in the best interest of the whole. But there are established mechanisms to curb the bad behaviors of others. Laws and law enforcement.

Yes, some laws are wrong. They got there by a process and can be removed by the same process.

No it's not easy. It's hard. It should be hard. It's that important.

A "love for law and order" (at least in my book) has always been a really really nice way of saying "has a vindictive and judgmental nature, needs lots of catharsis to move on from something." So it's actually not contradictory at all if you consider that the phrase was invented as a diplomatic way of identifying people who have a strong desire to ensure others are punished harshly for their transgressions and that they consider finding a scapegoat to punish far more important than the actual goals that punishment was ever meant to be a means to carry out (such as providing a legitimate deterrent against aberrant behavior.)

[Chester]

Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
Well, honestly, and anyone who recalls my posts knows I went from believing "This is it!" to “well, maybe not” then with the aliens and ascension possibilities to, "I don't know but I am gonna believe in the plan anywys," to, “Drake may have had mystery school (Dragon) experience but that doesn't necessarily make him a satanist or a tool of the cabal”... where I then experienced his threats against Vivek and then discovered executions as part of the plan (both which lost my support permanently) to my recent and probably final conclusion that this Drake / Plan scenario is 99% for sure a creation of a few delusional individuals and/or a psy-op which at best is meant to be distracting but at worst could result in implementation of martial law.

All those swings occurred over the last three months until I found myself firmly grounded in my latest position about 3 weeks ago. But I would be lying if I said I am at my final resting place / point of view because I retain the right to change my views.

No, what I meant was that anyone who was going to change their minds already would have, and we both obviously did. I was in the tank as well at first because I was still buying in to David Wilcock at the time and Drake was part of what finally shook me up and out of that. Since then we've had Vivek's thread as well as this one and we've had every single thing said or done by Drake and Co put under the microscope. So at this point anyone still reading has already made up their minds where they stand, and if they haven't yet then they'll probably read all of our old posts and arrive at the same conclusion as one of the above two groups. I just don't think we're going to get any further with this discussion and I'd hate to see it turn into a point of contention here between groups of members.

But I'm just like you, some other guy adding his own perspective and two cents to the mix. People will do what they want to do, I was just hoping saying that might help bring the more bitter discussions to a close.

Posted by Heartsong (here)
It comes to mind that the Drake followers are proposing to take action from a love of law and order, constitutional foundations and individual freedom but are acting (or will be taking action) in contradiction to all those things.

I didn't vote for their revolution. I don't support their uprising.

Will those that are to be arrested be presented to the grand jury? Will they be properly accused, provided defense and a speedy trial? Will an audit be performed on the books of those accused of financial malfeasance or will it be assumed that since they are affluent they must be guilty of something?

Should all of this arresting come about (with or without the help of E.T.s) and people are dragged off in the middle of the night by this self appointed gestapo, what's to be done with the detainees? Are they to be re-educated or just done away with?

And for the rest of us who aren't rich, aren't political, aren't informed and aren't arrested. Those of us who watch this revolution happen. Who can we trust from that point on?

The old "cabal" with the laws and history? or, The "new gestapo" who might just decide that Methodists or Presbyterians are the next world's new "evil"?

Yes there are wrong things happening in the world. There are those powerful few who do things that are not in the best interest of the whole. But there are established mechanisms to curb the bad behaviors of others. Laws and law enforcement.

Yes, some laws are wrong. They got there by a process and can be removed by the same process.

No it's not easy. It's hard. It should be hard. It's that important.

A "love for law and order" (at least in my book) has always been a really really nice way of saying "has a vindictive and judgmental nature, needs lots of catharsis to move on from something." So it's actually not contradictory at all if you consider that the phrase was invented as a diplomatic way of identifying people who have a strong desire to ensure others are punished harshly for their transgressions and that they consider finding a scapegoat to punish far more important than the actual goals that punishment was ever meant to be a means to carry out (such as providing a legitimate deterrent against aberrant behavior.)

Hi Vast - from your above stated perspective, I agree most if not all of us have made up our mind by now. I was thinking about new folks that have recently joined or may soon join. They may benefit from the mental ping pong and there's still plenty of us willing to assist and from various points of view... justoneman

[Avocadess]

REMINDER: Drake's show begins in less than an hour.

DRAKE's Internet Radio Show, 3 hours in length with Q&A at the end, is 6:00-9:00 p.m. Central Time today (4-7 Pacific, 5-8 Mountain, 7-10 Eastern). Here is a link:

http://alturl.com/p7cw9

If you would like to ask a question, call this number (and call it early). You can listen to the show on the phone while waiting for your chance to speak:

(646) 716-4984

[Avocadess]

I used to allow myself to feel hurt by the sticks and stones hurled at me on this thread. I finally became "numb" to them after the initial stings -- and putting quite a number of people on my "ignore" list.

I find it very ironic that Promezeus's post which made a witty remark implying one of those peole (who has loved to hurl sticks and stones at me back when I still read her posts) as being less than loving was DELETED by a Mod because a couple people complained.

All I can say is -- those of you who are here only to hurl insults, and you know who you are -- if you don't like people to make unkind remarks to you then why are you so unkind to others? Something to think about.

I also appreciate much of what Promezeus had to say in defense of himself and further critiquing some of the "darlings of the Mods" on this thread.

[modwiz]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Currently we don't have a population that can comprehend certain aspects of the constitution.

With certain rights comes responsibility is the first that comes to mind.

Twould be a rather useless document until people get the real intention of it which is what rights are wrought from--responsibility.

We live in a society that has to make a law, a law mind you, not to kill gay people because they make certain aspects of our society 'nervous'. ..

Because people are not responsible they have certain rights taken away because....they aren't responsible with them.

We gave up our own control by becoming re-active and not re-sponsive. Responsiveness is the better part of responsibility.

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

Posted by Heartsong (here)
It comes to mind that the Drake followers are proposing to take action from a love of law and order, constitutional foundations and individual freedom but are acting (or will be taking action) in contradiction to all those things.

You make some good points, Heartsong. From the other side, I would think the perspective would be that existence of the current "government" is itself illegal and must be corrected with the constitution being the legal guide. I'm just guessing though.

You go girl! er, woman, erm, ma'am, ahh, m'lady. Oh yeah, good post, even though Whiskey Mystic's reining in the concern for the crime families running things was needed, IMO.

[gripreaper]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
REMINDER: Drake's show begins in less than an hour.

DRAKE's Internet Radio Show, 3 hours in length with Q&A at the end, is 6:00-9:00 p.m. Central Time today (4-7 Pacific, 5-8 Mountain, 7-10 Eastern). Here is a link:

http://alturl.com/p7cw9

If you would like to ask a question, call this number (and call it early). You can listen to the show on the phone while waiting for your chance to speak:

(646) 716-4984

I'm sorry but I am not going to be able to transcribe today. I've got other things in my life which I am doing today and therefore will miss out on all the fun. I hope someone will transcribe though so I can read it later.

Please let me now if a Constitutional Convention is discussed.

[Avocadess]

Back to DRAKE -- whose show begins at 6:00 p.m. Central and goes until 9:00 p.m. Central -- the title of the show today is 'PREEMPTIVE PREPAREDNESS."

Personally, I believe that the majority of our population is not able to do much to prepare in any physical sense, but what little people CAN do, what does it hurt to be prepared? Not a bit (at least as long as you are not storing up a ton of things that expire too soon).

However for me the most important part of preparing is to continue to work on living with myself and those around me with as much harmony and grace as possible. (Which certainly can be easier said than done!! When I lived just with my son for 15 years we had near total harmony, but different roommates have certainly given me some interesting challenges!!)

There are some things I am asking of myself, and I clearly have not mastered them because I keep having to ask myself again and again: to learn not to complain. When we complain we are not helping ourselves nor are we helping others; and in fact, we can wear down their spirits.

It's amazing the huge effect we have on one another. When I cannot bring myself to "trust" or "agree with" a stranger, I do my very best to "let it be" in a silent acceptance. Only when I see such a person doing harm to himself or herself, to me or to others do I wish to speak up in confrontation.

There are so many beautiful people in this world. I remind myself to look for beauty and lessons in everyone I meet. (I keep forgetting that one too -- but I'm working on it...!!!)

Wishing you the best day EVER..!!

Avocadess

[SKAWF]

i read something once, it was an interview with a truly awful wretched excuse for a human...
but there was something he said that stuck with me.

the truth is of little value unless utilised in some way.

ignoring someone here, does more than just remove their posts from your screen,
it also solidifies your opinion of that person. you place a mark in your own book really.

nuff

[applecrusher1992]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
Back to DRAKE -- whose show begins at 6:00 p.m. Central and goes until 9:00 p.m. Central -- the title of the show today is 'PREEMPTIVE PREPAREDNESS."

Personally, I believe that the majority of our population is not able to do much to prepare in any physical sense, but what little people CAN do, what does it hurt to be prepared? Not a bit (at least as long as you are not storing up a ton of things that expire too soon).

However for me the most important part of preparing is to continue to work on living with myself and those around me with as much harmony and grace as possible. (Which certainly can be easier said than done!! When I lived just with my son for 15 years we had near total harmony, but different roommates have certainly given me some interesting challenges!!)

There are some things I am asking of myself, and I clearly have not mastered them because I keep having to ask myself again and again: to learn not to complain. When we complain we are not helping ourselves nor are we helping others; and in fact, we can wear down their spirits.

It's amazing the huge effect we have on one another. When I cannot bring myself to "trust" or "agree with" a stranger, I do my very best to "let it be" in a silent acceptance. Only when I see such a person doing harm to himself or herself, to me or to others do I wish to speak up in confrontation.

There are so many beautiful people in this world. I remind myself to look for beauty and lessons in everyone I meet. (I keep forgetting that one too -- but I'm working on it...!!!)

Wishing you the best day EVER..!!

Avocadess

Thanks Avocadess

You seem to be the only one following the true purpose of the forum "Updates and clarifications and more". Got to go the show is on now.

[SKAWF]

i think the rest of it falls under the heading, 'and more'.
at least i'm sure that thats what would be argued,
should any of this ever get to court.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Lots of people have been posting "clarifications".

[Kimberley]

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Much Love !!

[Ishtar]

So he just moved the date again.

[Kimberley]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
So he just moved the date again.

Yes Drake is saying we will have the best July 4th celebration ever !!! I want this to be true! That's soon!!!

We will see... I am not in favor of naming dates...

Much love to us all!!!

[we-R-one]

oh boy....this Drake show is sounding like RUSA all over again....This is exactly what Tim Turner said to us....."you're going to have the best 4th of July ever"........god, this is like re-living that experience all over again....such bad memories.

I hope for those who believe in Drake that you're not getting your chains jerked, cause it's an awful feeling when the 4th arrives, nothing has happened as promised and there's no calvary arriving to save you. As mentioned before, I just can't go there again. I hope those who believe won't have the same disappointing experience myself and others did when the supposed similar events that Drake is touting don't take place.

PS I'm not trying to be mean and I have no malice towards those who believe.