Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[Chester]

Posted by aranuk (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by LarryC (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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On Ben Fulford's blog today (dated 26 June -- he's a day ahead of us in Tokyo):

There is a lot of talk of arrests this week, notably from “Drake,” however, our direct sources cannot confirm this. As David Icke pointed out, this writer has in the past quoted sources claiming deadlines that came and went with nothing happening. That is why we no longer quote specific deadlines.

I'm surprised to hear Benjamin Fulford quoting David Icke, as in one of his most recent interviews Icke says that both Fulford and David Wilcock are misinformed (though he doesn't think they are deliberately lying). I like David Icke, but I certainly don't take his statements at face value either -he's gotten info from a very wide range of sources over the years. He also says the moon is an artificial satellite created to be a spy station for TPTB. I'm not saying it's not true, but I don't believe it either, lol.

David Icke is most definitely correct about Fulford and David Wilcock.

Re the Moon being hollow (not a spy station for TPTB -- I've never heard him claim that!. I believe he said it was a monitoring station for the ETs, which is not impossible to believe) -- here are a couple of interesting anecdotes from Inelia, dating from a little over a year ago.

She came up to me one day and said, "Did you know the Moon was hollow?" Apparently, she'd just paid a visit to take a look. I asked her if she'd read any of David Icke's (and others') writings on the subject -- and she had not. She came up with the report all by herself.

She had a similar experience concerning the Dulce base. She'd never heard of it before, and I just referenced to her its existence in northern New Mexico. That's all I mentioned to her.

She immediately "went" to check it out. She was quite shocked. "I saw all kinds of genetic experiments... horrible things happening there", she said. I asked her if she'd ever heard about any of that from any other source... and she had not.

Bill with respect Sir, I have to ask you, do you believe what Inelia said to your questions? How can you believe that she didn't know about the hollow Earth talk? For God's sake I had heard about it and I am not any kind of celebrity on the alternative media side of things. I have read about Dulce base, but you actually believed she had never read about it or heard about it. Well Sir, you called people here gullible that believed in what Drake was saying. My, my, who believed that Charles/Atticus was the real deal, not I the gullible? A dictum of wisdom I learned as a small boy was that those in glass houses should not throw stones.

I rest my case.

Stan

EDIT: I had to edit out this post because I posted based on a misunderstanding of what I thought Stan implied. I was wrong in my impression thus this post was an inappropriate response.

[aranuk]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
David Icke is most definitely correct about Fulford and David Wilcock.

Re the Moon being hollow (not a spy station for TPTB -- I've never heard him claim that!. I believe he said it was a monitoring station for the ETs, which is not impossible to believe) -- here are a couple of interesting anecdotes from Inelia, dating from a little over a year ago.

She came up to me one day and said, "Did you know the Moon was hollow?" Apparently, she'd just paid a visit to take a look. I asked her if she'd read any of David Icke's (and others') writings on the subject -- and she had not. She came up with the report all by herself.

She had a similar experience concerning the Dulce base. She'd never heard of it before, and I just referenced to her its existence in northern New Mexico. That's all I mentioned to her.

She immediately "went" to check it out. She was quite shocked. "I saw all kinds of genetic experiments... horrible things happening there", she said. I asked her if she'd ever heard about any of that from any other source... and she had not.

Bill with respect Sir, I have to ask you, do you believe what Inelia said to your questions? How can you believe that she didn't know about the hollow Earth talk? For God's sake I had heard about it and I am not any kind of celebrity on the alternative media side of things. I have read about Dulce base, but you actually believed she had never read about it or heard about it. Well Sir, you called people here gullible that believed in what Drake was saying. My, my, who believed that Charles/Atticus was the real deal, not I the gullible? A dictum of wisdom I learned as a small boy was that those in glass houses should not throw stones.

I rest my case.

Stan

Stan, maybe if you experienced for yourself significant psi phenomena, you might change your opinion. When I was a kid, I didn't believe in any 6th sense capabilities. Fortunately I have learned from first hand experience we actually do possess these abilities. One of my psi talents is with regards to intuition. Now I am going to speculate about one of my intuitions about you if you are willing to allow me to do so. Just give me the green light and I will PM you what has come through... if I am right on, then perhaps not only will you open your mind more to the possibility some of us have actually developed psi talent, but that my intuition hit home to something which, if you took it to heart, might lead to a more fulfilling life experience. You gut the ball, Stan - so go and I will will send the PM.
Best Regards, Stan - justoneman

Well I do experience significant psychic phenomena. You say if I did I might change my opinion. Opinion about what in particular? My mind is very open. I already am aware that some people have developed psi talent, why do you say that about me? Your reply to my above post to Bill doesn't seem to address it. I have no idea why you are speaking like this. Since I have had many spiritual experiences of my own, why do you think that I doubt anyone else from have similar experiences? I certainly do not doubt anyone's experiences.

Stan

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by foreverfan (here)
So what you are basically saying is we are screwed. Forget Drake. I guess we have no options except to watch as the fence is built around the sheepeople. I find this hard to accept. This is why I will continue to show people the fence being built around them so when the time comes, it won't be their first rodeo with what's going on. You have to first get them to look at the news media for what it is.

So how do we enlighten more people?

When I think about how so many people are so easily misled, not by this Drake stuff only but by MSM etc., it surly gives me a bad feeling inside instead of being filled with hope and promise.....I must say that for the bigger picture/largest extent of the state of things on a global and national scale, yes we are basically screwed. Sadly I feel it's going to get much uglier before things get pretty...

Now hold the phone just a minute there SF. Things likely to get uglier? Very likely, and anyone who is not unceasingly preparing themselves both physically, and spiritually, is just begging for suffering beyond imagination. But let me lay this on you. At this time four years ago, I was sad that George Bush couldn't run for a third term, and the McCain/Palin signs were proudly displayed in the front yard. Should I dare mention the bumper sticker I was sporting, also proudly and smugly on my truck, which read: "I Think, Therefore I Vote Republican"? Maybe not...

In hindsight, I'm really glad that there was no one beating me over the head with information I wasn't prepared to handle, and of course I wouldn't have listened anyway. Suddenly beginning to see through the Bush lies all on my own though, was as painful as it was empowering. As Jorr would say, "all is well" here.

Cheers,
Fred

Thanks Fred, yeah, I probably haven't said some of these heavy things is the wisest of ways always, but I feel what I've said needed to be said, I've actually had to really control myself a couple of times

[promezeus]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by promezeus (here)
Noisy Feathers is going to stop wasting our time? I mean stop wasting his breath? And United Serenity is professing to have found some love somewhere inside her ? Well damn . If that's possible, then anything is possible. This has renewed my faith in the possibility that Drake and cohorts might just be on the level and pull this thing off at some point. Thanks folks.

from serenity: I take a personal attack against me for sharing my heart as an honor. You really have no idea who I am or where my heart has always been, and though my words are sometimes harsh, they are from a place of love for each person here on Avalon. I will bear some responsibility in that I have not apparently sent out enough soft love energy to you and thus you do not know of whom I am sent and therefore I shall seek to remedy that situation, but I shall not disengage my brain or curtail my expression of truth as I know it.

Much love to you Promezeus.Serenity

My post above was deleted by the mods. They said that one or more people complained that it was offensive. These members could have simply put me on ignore. That would have been the respectful thing to do. But instead they go to the police, the mods, to do their dirty work for them so that no one gets to read my post because this particular person doesn't like it. That way they shift responsibility to the authority figure. This is the way a slave or a child thinks. Maybe one of those who complained was Serenity who says above that she took my post as an honor and even sends me her love (but then privately, she stabbed me in the back and complained to the mods?) I think this kiind of gross hypocrisy is more the norm here, than the exception. And the mods perpetuate and promote it. It's interesting that Drake is trying to free this country from the nazi cabal, but the same kind of lack of integrity and slave mentality exists right here, which supports the cabal. I would guess that most of the people in this forum have no idea what free speech is about. They think it means free speech for them, if they can get away with it, but not for the other guy. You ought to look up the legal definition of libel sometime, and you might begin to understand what the founders of the u.s. constitution thought about free speech. I'll give you a clue...ad hominem has nothing whatsoever to do with free speech.
One thing I like about drake is that he believes in freedom. It's no wonder why many people in this forum don't like him. They don't want to be liberated. They are not generally living at the bottom of the totem pole so why should they care? They are more comfortable having an authority that subjugates and dominates everyone, so they can be protected from free-thinking people like drake and me. And strangely enough, if you asked them, they would tell you they are free.
This will likely be my final post ever in this forum .

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by promezeus (here)
I think this kiind of gross hypocrisy is more the norm here, than the exception. And the mods perpetuate and promote it. It's interesting that Drake is trying to free this country from the nazi cabal, but the same kind of lack of integrity and slave mentality exists right here which supports the cabal. I would guess that most of the people in this forum have no idea what free speech is about.

There is a fundamental difference between organizations that one can reasonably choose to join, or not, and organizations that one is stuck with.

There is a fundamental difference between organizations that have little power over you, and organizations that can kill or torture or imprison you or your loved ones at will.

Organizations that you're stuck with, and that can exercise essentially unlimited power over your physical being and possessions absolutely must honor your freedoms of speech, property and such ... if they don't you're screwed.

But freedoms include the right of like minded people to associate and to establish norms for how members of their voluntary groups are to behave.

It is not a violation of your free speech rights for a voluntary and rather impotent group to insist that you behave a certain way while participating in that group.

It is advocating a violation of the rights of voluntary association to insist that you be allowed to say anything you want, anywhere, while participating in a group activity.

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In other words -- this is a moderated forum. Deal with it on those terms, or go elsewhere. Your free choice.

[Chester]

Posted by aranuk (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
Stan, maybe if you experienced for yourself significant psi phenomena, you might change your opinion. When I was a kid, I didn't believe in any 6th sense capabilities. Fortunately I have learned from first hand experience we actually do possess these abilities. One of my psi talents is with regards to intuition. Now I am going to speculate about one of my intuitions about you if you are willing to allow me to do so. Just give me the green light and I will PM you what has come through... if I am right on, then perhaps not only will you open your mind more to the possibility some of us have actually developed psi talent, but that my intuition hit home to something which, if you took it to heart, might lead to a more fulfilling life experience. You gut the ball, Stan - so go and I will will send the PM.
Best Regards, Stan - justoneman

Well I do experience significant psychic phenomena. You say if I did I might change my opinion. Opinion about what in particular? My mind is very open. I already am aware that some people have developed psi talent, why do you say that about me? Your reply to my above post to Bill doesn't seem to address it. I have no idea why you are speaking like this. Since I have had many spiritual experiences of my own, why do you think that I doubt anyone else from have similar experiences? I certainly do not doubt anyone's experiences.

Stan

Hi Stan - I will send the PM because its something I wanted to do for awhile anyway - but since I started this publicly, I needed to allow it to play out a bit publicly.

First, I really have to apologize. When I read your post the first time, I somehow got the impression you doubted psi ability in general. After re-reading your post, I am wondering why I concluded that. I then read some of the other posts near yours and realized I was reacting more so to the recent trend and somehow mistook you had the same view in your post that I responded to.

Now for what I will PM about - for those reading the thread, is not anything negative... it was just something I thought would best remain private as it was personal for Stan.

Again, I apologize for false conclusion, Stan. - PM soon... justone

[gripreaper]

[Chester]

Its my view what happens on this thread is simply people allowing their passion to get the best of them. We all are passionate that we are sick and tired of being screwed by the PTB/Ws.

Some saw and still see Drake and the Plan as a possibility to free ourselves from the death grip of the cabal. Others believe it is all BS and at best a distraction but at worst a psy-op that could actually lead to providing the excuse for implementation of martial law, the very thing we fear most in the US.

There's a third group that seems to be attempting their best to keep the discussion civil and I would point out that Avocadess and Kimberly in particular have done a great job of taking the high road most of the time.

Yes, the thread title says what it says and the naysayers seem to ignore it, but there is no thread (yet) that is titled, Do you believe Drake and the Plan are for real? and there is no thread entitled, If you think the Plan is for real, do you think it should be implemented? So we hash all this out in this single thread.

Regardless of which group any of us might fall within, posts that denigrate another, either directly or between the lines are counter productive.

This thread has devolved to this level several times already. Should we create these two other threads?

Do you believe Drake and the Plan are for real?

If you think the Plan as promoted by Drake is for real, do you think it should be implemented?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Yes, the thread title says what it says and the naysayers seem to ignore it, but there is no thread (yet) that is titled, Do you believe Drake and the Plan are for real? and there is no thread entitled, If you think the Plan is for real, do you think it should be implemented? So we hash all this out in this single thread.

Regardless of which group any of us might fall within, posts that denigrate another, either directly or between the lines are counter productive.

Nice post.

Actually there is such a contrary thread - see Drake and Teri - a contrary view. However it has not had a post in three weeks. Back in the beginning of this thread, I forked off the dissenting posts into this contrary view thread, in an effort to keep the discussions as two civil discussions, rather than one combative discussion. The mods and myself gave up enforcing that split after a while.

[applecrusher1992]

Posted by promezeus (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by promezeus (here)
Noisy Feathers is going to stop wasting our time? I mean stop wasting his breath? And United Serenity is professing to have found some love somewhere inside her ? Well damn . If that's possible, then anything is possible. This has renewed my faith in the possibility that Drake and cohorts might just be on the level and pull this thing off at some point. Thanks folks.

from serenity: I take a personal attack against me for sharing my heart as an honor. You really have no idea who I am or where my heart has always been, and though my words are sometimes harsh, they are from a place of love for each person here on Avalon. I will bear some responsibility in that I have not apparently sent out enough soft love energy to you and thus you do not know of whom I am sent and therefore I shall seek to remedy that situation, but I shall not disengage my brain or curtail my expression of truth as I know it.

Much love to you Promezeus.Serenity

My post above was deleted by the mods. They said that one or more people complained that it was offensive. These members could have simply put me on ignore. That would have been the respectful thing to do. But instead they go to the police, the mods, to do their dirty work for them so that no one gets to read my post because this particular person doesn't like it. That way they shift responsibility to the authority figure. This is the way a slave or a child thinks. Maybe one of those who complained was Serenity who says above that she took my post as an honor and even sends me her love (but then privately, she stabbed me in the back and complained to the mods?) I think this kiind of gross hypocrisy is more the norm here, than the exception. And the mods perpetuate and promote it. It's interesting that Drake is trying to free this country from the nazi cabal, but the same kind of lack of integrity and slave mentality exists right here, which supports the cabal. I would guess that most of the people in this forum have no idea what free speech is about. They think it means free speech for them,for if they can get away with it, but not for the other guy. You ought to look up the legal definition of libel sometime, and you might begin to understand what the founders of the u.s. constitution thought about free speech. I'll give you a clue...ad hominem has nothing whatsoever to do with free speech.
One thing I like about drake is that he believes in freedom. It's no wonder why many people in this forum don't like him. They don't want to be liberated. They are generally not living at the bottom of the totem pole so why should they care? They are more comfortable having an authority that subjugates and dominates everyone, so they can be protected from free thinking people like drake and me. And strangely enough if you asked them, they would tell you they are free.
This will likely be my final post ever in this forum .

Hey Promezeus

Sorry to hear about what happened. One thing this forum has turned into is a game of blaming and finger pointing at different different people. I see two different sides forming and I am not naming names because everyone who is following already knows. And frankly everyone is to blame for this even myself. One side seems to want to find a fault in everything that Drake says to the point of fanaticism. This could be because they can see through this experience for the fraud it is or because of similar past experiences that have ultimately ended in failure. The other side wants to continue to hold on to the hope of Drake even though there isn't any direct evidence of what he says to be true. And this could be used against the American people. However there is evidence of interesting things to come and there is a ton of evidence that this is the point in human history where things will start to change for the better. My point is let's stop this nonsense and have constructive criticism and use this forum for updates instead of personal attacks. I don't care who started it. We already lost one member from this. Do we really want to lose more and alienate people? I appreciate everyone's comments because they have given me balance. But the amount of hope in some people is just minuscule. Not even about Drake but just in general. To those people lighten up a bit because we are going to make it and it will be glorious.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by promezeus (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by promezeus (here)
Noisy Feathers is going to stop wasting our time? I mean stop wasting his breath? And United Serenity is professing to have found some love somewhere inside her ? Well damn . If that's possible, then anything is possible. This has renewed my faith in the possibility that Drake and cohorts might just be on the level and pull this thing off at some point. Thanks folks.

from serenity: I take a personal attack against me for sharing my heart as an honor. You really have no idea who I am or where my heart has always been, and though my words are sometimes harsh, they are from a place of love for each person here on Avalon. I will bear some responsibility in that I have not apparently sent out enough soft love energy to you and thus you do not know of whom I am sent and therefore I shall seek to remedy that situation, but I shall not disengage my brain or curtail my expression of truth as I know it.

Much love to you Promezeus.Serenity

My post above was deleted by the mods. They said that one or more people complained that it was offensive. These members could have simply put me on ignore. That would have been the respectful thing to do. But instead they go to the police, the mods, to do their dirty work for them so that no one gets to read my post because this particular person doesn't like it. That way they shift responsibility to the authority figure. This is the way a slave or a child thinks. Maybe one of those who complained was Serenity who says above that she took my post as an honor and even sends me her love (but then privately, she stabbed me in the back and complained to the mods?) I think this kiind of gross hypocrisy is more the norm here, than the exception. And the mods perpetuate and promote it. It's interesting that Drake is trying to free this country from the nazi cabal, but the same kind of lack of integrity and slave mentality exists right here, which supports the cabal. I would guess that most of the people in this forum have no idea what free speech is about. They think it means free speech for them, if they can get away with it, but not for the other guy. You ought to look up the legal definition of libel sometime, and you might begin to understand what the founders of the u.s. constitution thought about free speech. I'll give you a clue...ad hominem has nothing whatsoever to do with free speech.
One thing I like about drake is that he believes in freedom. It's no wonder why many people in this forum don't like him. They don't want to be liberated. They are not generally living at the bottom of the totem pole so why should they care? They are more comfortable having an authority that subjugates and dominates everyone, so they can be protected from free-thinking people like drake and me. And strangely enough, if you asked them, they would tell you they are free.
This will likely be my final post ever in this forum .

At this point Promezeus, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. I can take slap for you taking umbridge of my truth, but that does not mean I have to let it stand unchallenged. I am simply honored by the necessity you and some others here find in attacking me personally and questioning my integrity and heart which comes from my spiritual truth understanding. A mod removed a post of mine on another thread regarding another member very recently within minutes of my posting because she, the mod, saw it as an ad hominem attack when in fact I was actually sincerely offering a service. So, if some mods and members wish to treat my posts so aggressively when they are not an attack then when a post is an obvious rude and insulting post directed my way and it's allowed to stay for over a day, I think it should be pointed out. So, there is no back stabbing. Ad hominem attacks are not allowed on the forum. I'll leave it at that.

I am happy to discuss differences in ideas with you, and I have not personally attacked you. If you wish to converse over differences of views and opinions, I am happy to do so with no anger, vitriol, name calling involved.

much love,

Serenity

[the_vast_mystery]

I'm thinking we're getting into the "personal attacks" territory because people on either side aren't willing to admit to their own unreasonable desires. Both the people who are unwilling to admit they believe in Drake/The Plan entirely because they want or need on an emotional level to believe it exists, and equally those unwilling to respect that others have firmly made a choice (whether or not it is correct at this point is irrelevant) and that they need to be left to that choice and all it entails. Arguments aren't going to convince anyone, we've already hashed out every reason twelve times for and against Drake and "The Plan" and it's obvious who's latched on and is going to ride this out for as long as it takes.

It would be nice if someone would say: "Yes, I believe, not for any reason, not because I have any proof, but because I just gosh-darn want to, and you're only wasting your time trying to convince me to do otherwise." But that's not going to happen, and this thread is a testament to that and that no one is going to make any further progress by pointing these things out. Everyone's heard everything and saying any more will just agitate them further. We have scientific research that shows this approach is futile; beliefs cannot be changed with facts. So let's just end this with this: Whatever is actually the case, I just hope that after December we can all have a laugh, whether we were wrong or right about everything we're posting now.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
A mod removed a post of mine on another thread regarding another member very recently within minutes of my posting because she, the mod, saw it as an ad hominem attack when in fact I was actually sincerely offering a service.

That post that was removed read to me as a sarcastic attack as well; I one-hundred percent back the decision to remove that post.

I realize, from all you've said, that you did not intend that post that way, but it read that way to several members of the mod team.

We can't "moderate" all the posts that attack other members, and we can't even always agree on what is an attack or not. The failure of the mod team to conform to some members view of what is proper or not is not justification for the member to take things into their own hands in violation of the forum guidelines.

Really, this place works best when we each make our best effort to act in an honorable and respectful manner to each other, even if we don't think the other person is doing that or if we disagree with the mod teams actions.

[TargeT]

Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)
It would be nice if someone would say: "Yes, I believe, not for any reason, not because I have any proof, but because I just gosh-darn want to, and you're only wasting your time trying to convince me to do otherwise." But that's not going to happen, and this thread is a testament to that and that no one is going to make any further progress by pointing these things out. Everyone's heard everything and saying any more will just agitate them further. We have scientific research that shows this approach is futile; beliefs cannot be changed with facts. So let's just end this with this: Whatever is actually the case, I just hope that after December we can all have a laugh, whether we were wrong or right about everything we're posting now.

I think the debate is very useful and it helped me decide if I was going to invest time into this topic or not.

but your right on the "strongly held belief"; these generally provoke a reptilian brain responce & will not change with out the holder of those beliefs choosing to change them (usualy inspite of arguments agains their belief).

[Chester]

Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)
I'm thinking we're getting into the "personal attacks" territory because people on either side aren't willing to admit to their own unreasonable desires. Both the people who are unwilling to admit they believe in Drake/The Plan entirely because they want or need on an emotional level to believe it exists, and equally those unwilling to respect that others have firmly made a choice (whether or not it is correct at this point is irrelevant) and that they need to be left to that choice and all it entails. Arguments aren't going to convince anyone, we've already hashed out every reason twelve times for and against Drake and "The Plan" and it's obvious who's latched on and is going to ride this out for as long as it takes.

It would be nice if someone would say: "Yes, I believe, not for any reason, not because I have any proof, but because I just gosh-darn want to, and you're only wasting your time trying to convince me to do otherwise." But that's not going to happen, and this thread is a testament to that and that no one is going to make any further progress by pointing these things out. Everyone's heard everything and saying any more will just agitate them further. We have scientific research that shows this approach is futile; beliefs cannot be changed with facts. So let's just end this with this: Whatever is actually the case, I just hope that after December we can all have a laugh, whether we were wrong or right about everything we're posting now.

Well, honestly, and anyone who recalls my posts knows I went from believing "This is it!" to “well, maybe not” then with the aliens and ascension possibilities to, "I don't know but I am gonna believe in the plan anywys," to, “Drake may have had mystery school (Dragon) experience but that doesn't necessarily make him a satanist or a tool of the cabal”... where I then experienced his threats against Vivek and then discovered executions as part of the plan (both which lost my support permanently) to my recent and probably final conclusion that this Drake / Plan scenario is 99% for sure a creation of a few delusional individuals and/or a psy-op which at best is meant to be distracting but at worst could result in implementation of martial law.

All those swings occurred over the last three months until I found myself firmly grounded in my latest position about 3 weeks ago. But I would be lying if I said I am at my final resting place / point of view because I retain the right to change my views.

[Kristin]

Regardless of your views justoneman, you conduct yourself with respect here and it is very much appreciated! Very glad you are here!

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by justoneman (here)
I then experienced his threats against Vivek and then discovered executions as part of the plan (both which lost my support permanently) to my recent and probably final conclusion that this Drake / Plan scenario is 99% for sure a creation of a few delusional individuals and/or a psy-op which at best is meant to be distracting but at worst could result in implementation of martial law.

This conclusion is certainly correct, and perfectly summarized.

[Billy]

Come together Brothers and Sisters, Why all the "you said, he said she said", Yet again some are allowing themselves to be emotionaly attached to others expressions.

Not just Drake's expressions or David W, or Benjamin F, And all the newcomers on the block like Cobra, Some other ET delegation that wants a slice of the pie. But also Avalonians attached to other Avalonians expressions. Which in turn stirr up emotions and express words that are upsetting towards others.

Are not Drake and many many others onworld, also behind the scenes manipulating possibilities and off world expresssing their own energetic possibilities or potentials of time lines that may be possible. So they express the potentials in the hope that the rest of humanity take it up and manifest them into the illusionary reality.

When all the time what is really important is what is it you personally as an individual and collectively wish to manifest. What is the change you wish to see in our world.

Did you know that the USA Decleration of independance and the USA constitution was inspired by the Decleration of Abroath in Scotland in 1320. http://www.constitution.org/scot/arbroath.htmIt was all about freedom from the controllers of that time, not much has changed there. The USA fought against the very same controllers more than 300 years later. And here we are today still crying for freedom from the controllers.

Quote,
For as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom — for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.
From The Declaration of Arbroath 1320.

All Drake is doing along with many others, is showing a potential time line. What kind of freedom is it everyone seeks today. This is what is important. not wasting valued energy pointing fingers at each other. But using your creative energy creating something new.

Peace

[LarryC]

Posted by Kristin (here)
The tittle of this thread is: Re: Drake: Updates, Clarifications and More... It would be great to see a respectful discussion from all parties on this subject without the need for personal attacks being a part of the communication... Imagine that you are new to Avalon and are on the fence about this issue, you come to this thread with the hope of "Clarification" and find well... the last ten posts, LOL. I would love to see an intelligent and peaceful debate about the subject at hand. Hugs and a hand shake out to all of you.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

I've missed a lot of the personal attacks, but that's probably because I've been making strategic use of the Ignore button, lol.

I don't know if this is something that any forums do, but I think it might be a good idea if the person who starts a thread had the power to moderate it. That would prevent threads from getting hijacked. Not sure how complicated this would be from a technical standpoint, but it would be an interesting experiment at least.

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Drake is Psy ops. I doubt he knows that consciously but someone out there knows how he's being handled even if he doesn't.

It's obvious the way this whole drama is conducted. Truth and reality are not conducted in fantasies, speculations, updates and news reports that get further away from anything even remotely approaching wise.

Even his adherents chasten us for criticism of the controllers so that the control is kept hidden. As if it could be after all we know. Or rather after all what SOME of us have know--which are those who object to this plan. Why does it matter if it's not real? To send a clear message that we are not inviting in more control .

There are those here in this conversation who can see the obvious. So yes we are objecting to more control. Granted we aren't supposed to criticize it ( now let's not criticize our governors) but we are objecting to more control.

Isn't that what everyone objects to...control?

There is not an iota of wise or divine advice in this whole matter. A dizzy drama meant to tiltillate bored housewives and armchair warriors and keep them distracted from where the true power likes at, keep their minds tangled up in stories where the DOD suddenly becomes the good guys, the ET's all land and hold everyone in suspended animation, execute all that protest this inanity, and then go empty out the banks and Gold Reserves so people can continue to live in the same vapid uninterrupted way they live now--controlled.

Clue: The Dod is not managed by the Feds, its managed by a letter agency of some global consortium.

Not one word about what might occur after the fact. How to be free of control. How to create a new economic goal, how to LIVE without control. No because the plan itself is about a few 'other side' people having control.

It's not divine, its not sovereignty, no REAL freedom on all levels of one's existence, not one mention of a created reality, just a mock up of the old one, and there is no speculation on what we the people will do to prevent this sort of control from ever happening again when the entire plan is staged by those who want control. If they had their way that control would continue on into the aftermath of whatever might come and we are just in another system of control.

And are controlled themselves.

Yes there are some few who want to LIVE, want LIFE, want the creation of something never seen before in our time, and are objecting to the sheer fantastical idiocy of a track we have traveled before. The fans of the plan clearly express themselves as not educated, (maybe filled with someone elses information) without any inner wisdom or experience in this sort of thing and you think I want to live in another version of Disney land with those sort of ignorant people attempting to manage the world's affairs?

What is Drake offering. Control.

That is free for the taking now.

We've already had all the control we can manage, because its someone elses control and not our own. We have control now, Control if Drakes plan ever, in the wildest suppositions ever came to pass.

Its time for something original.

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Oh yes those people think they are going to somehow manage the worlds affairs when they cannot manage their own thread.

Lol.

Thanks Larry, gave me a good belly chuckle.

Posted by LarryC (here)

Posted by Kristin (here)
The tittle of this thread is: Re: Drake: Updates, Clarifications and More... It would be great to see a respectful discussion from all parties on this subject without the need for personal attacks being a part of the communication... Imagine that you are new to Avalon and are on the fence about this issue, you come to this thread with the hope of "Clarification" and find well... the last ten posts, LOL. I would love to see an intelligent and peaceful debate about the subject at hand. Hugs and a hand shake out to all of you.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

I've missed a lot of the personal attacks, but that's probably because I've been making strategic use of the Ignore button, lol.

I don't know if this is something that any forums do, but I think it might be a good idea if the person who starts a thread had the power to moderate it. That would prevent threads from getting hijacked. Not sure how complicated this would be from a technical standpoint, but it would be an interesting experiment at least.